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Why are there so many "Dead Beat Dad's" on Y&R?

Started by twocentsworth at 2008/09/06 10:18AM
Latest post: 2008/09/06 09:09PM, Views: 212, Replies: 14
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#1   2008/09/06 10:18AM
Why are there so many "Dead Beat Dad's" on Y&R?
twocentsworth
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Paul, Jack, Malcolm, Victor...

All of the above men, at one time or another and/or at the present, were/are not involved in their childrens' lives...

Paul: Fatherhood to a young Paul was too much so he handed over parental rights to April to raise Heather. When she finds out Paul is her father, she resents him at first and struggled with the fact he wasn't in her life when she was growing up under the hand of an abusive stepfather. Paul also has a young son, Ricky whom he had with Isabella (who went to prison for attempting to kill Christine). Isabella's parents are raising Ricky in CA. Paul never visits him or has Ricky visit...does he want Ricky to resent him to as an adult later on? It didn't have to be that way.

Jack: He's the father of Keemo, now an adult son he had with Luan from Vietnam. Once he came back into his life, but never since. Jack also has a young son, maybe 6yr old by now (or older depending on soap aging) and he doesn't visit him or have him visit at all...he is praised by Sharon as a great "father" and father figure to Noah, but he's not even to his own biological son. It doesn't have to be that way.

Malcolm: He's the real biological father of Lily, who his brother Neil raises as his own daughter. It is known that Malcolm is her biological father, but yet he stays away, never contacts her and is not in her life...It doesn't have to be that way.

Victor: We all know what happened to Adam Wilson aka Victor Adam Newman Jr, now Adam Wilson again when Victor stayed away from his son with Hope because Hope didn't want Victor in their son's life and she married Cliff Wilson and he raised Adam as his son...Hope made a mistake, in my opinion and all the drama of Adam trying to fit into his real father's (Victor's) life, he's having extreme problems doing so...It doesn't have to be that way.

Families should get over divisions and put the child's needs first with good father figures playing a role in their children's lives...It doesn't have to be the OTHER way...

#2   2008/09/06 10:20AM
Re: Why are there so many
Snizzle
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I dont see Jack or Paul being a deadbeat....they just dont have the s/l's with those children yet...but Jack and Paul do mention phone calls every now and then to Ricky and Kyle.
Lily has a dad..Neil..
Victor..sure he is a cold sob at times but i don't see him as a deadbeat..

#3   2008/09/06 10:32AM
Re: Why are there so many
twocentsworth
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Quote Snizzle: I dont see Jack or Paul being a deadbeat....they just dont have the s/l's with those children yet...but Jack and Paul do mention phone calls every now and then to Ricky and Kyle.
Lily has a dad..Neil..
Victor..sure he is a cold sob at times but i don't see him as a deadbeat..


I can understand your point, but I just don't feel a phone call every now and then is the same as someone around at times to do special things together or financially help out with education or needs of the child...I know this is a soap and storylines are not always shown, but we probably assume they are keeping in touch...but look at what happened to Adam and to Heather when this was NOT the case...and maybe the DBD term is a harsh one, but there isn't another one that fits when they choose to remain aloof in the upbringing of the children they bring into the world and leave it all up to the mom's in all respects, emotionally, physically, monitarily, spiritually...in all regards the dads are lacking in integrity when this happens, in my opinion. I know there are other opinions out there and that's fine.

#4   2008/09/06 10:37AM
Re: Why are there so many
Eppy
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I think as a viewer we must presume that Jack (who loves Kyle), and Paul, who feels Ricky is better off in a loving grandparent household take very good care and are very concerned about their son's welfare. Just because Kyle and Ricky are not current characters on the show, is no reason to think they are gone and forgotten by their fathers.

#5   2008/09/06 10:41AM
Re: Why are there so many
twocentsworth
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Quote Eppy: I think as a viewer we must presume that Jack (who loves Kyle), and Paul, who feels Ricky is better off in a loving grandparent household take very good care and are very concerned about their son's welfare. Just because Kyle and Ricky are not current characters on the show, is no reason to think they are gone and forgotten by their fathers.


Until they (Kyle and Ricky) both show up in Genoa City a few years from now all "soap-aged" with revenge on their minds for their fathers...we'll just have to wait and see those storylines played out in the future...

#6   2008/09/06 10:42AM
Re: Why are there so many
Eppy
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Quote twocentsworth:
Quote Eppy: I think as a viewer we must presume that Jack (who loves Kyle), and Paul, who feels Ricky is better off in a loving grandparent household take very good care and are very concerned about their son's welfare. Just because Kyle and Ricky are not current characters on the show, is no reason to think they are gone and forgotten by their fathers.


Until they (Kyle and Ricky) both show up in Genoa City a few years from now all "soap-aged" with revenge on their minds for their fathers...we'll just have to wait and see those storylines played out in the future...
Time will tell!

#7   2008/09/06 10:44AM
Re: Why are there so many
Snizzle
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Quote twocentsworth:
Quote Snizzle: I dont see Jack or Paul being a deadbeat....they just dont have the s/l's with those children yet...but Jack and Paul do mention phone calls every now and then to Ricky and Kyle.
Lily has a dad..Neil..
Victor..sure he is a cold sob at times but i don't see him as a deadbeat..


I can understand your point, but I just don't feel a phone call every now and then is the same as someone around at times to do special things together or financially help out with education or needs of the child...I know this is a soap and storylines are not always shown, but we probably assume they are keeping in touch...but look at what happened to Adam and to Heather when this was NOT the case...and maybe the DBD term is a harsh one, but there isn't another one that fits when they choose to remain aloof in the upbringing of the children they bring into the world and leave it all up to the mom's in all respects, emotionally, physically, monitarily, spiritually...in all regards the dads are lacking in integrity when this happens, in my opinion. I know there are other opinions out there and that's fine.


Hope wanted it that way..victor was still there money wise..and he popped up at the ranch now and again...and adam was always outside or at camp....and Cliff was there before he died..
Jack gave Diane custody after all the drama with phyllis ..he takes care of kyle money wise and so does Paul...we all know why the gparents have Ricky...I would love to See Kyle back for sure and Diane...but for some reason..other characters keep comming back...but i dont see them as dead beats...it's just My opinion and u have yours..it's all good.

#8   2008/09/06 10:44AM
Re: Why are there so many
forever young
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Quote twocentsworth:
Quote Snizzle: I dont see Jack or Paul being a deadbeat....they just dont have the s/l's with those children yet...but Jack and Paul do mention phone calls every now and then to Ricky and Kyle.
Lily has a dad..Neil..
Victor..sure he is a cold sob at times but i don't see him as a deadbeat..


I can understand your point, but I just don't feel a phone call every now and then is the same as someone around at times to do special things together or financially help out with education or needs of the child...I know this is a soap and storylines are not always shown, but we probably assume they are keeping in touch...but look at what happened to Adam and to Heather when this was NOT the case...and maybe the DBD term is a harsh one, but there isn't another one that fits when they choose to remain aloof in the upbringing of the children they bring into the world and leave it all up to the mom's in all respects, emotionally, physically, monitarily, spiritually...in all regards the dads are lacking in integrity when this happens, in my opinion. I know there are other opinions out there and that's fine.



Children have obligations also, especially when they become adults. Maybe the writers need to develop s/l's indicating whether the children are in contact with their fathers.
As for Adam, blame Hope for victor's absence in his life.

#9   2008/09/06 05:37PM
Re: Why are there so many
cornie
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Victor was in Adam's life until Hope married Cliff. Cliff wanted to legally adopt Adam and raise him as his own. I don't remember if that came to pass or not. When Cliff died Hope told Victor she didn't want him in Adam's life. Hope should have told Adam when he was younger, he would have had a easier time adjusting to the fact. At 27 years old he has pretty much made up his mind about his father.

#10   2008/09/06 05:46PM
Re: Why are there so many
tel4plm
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I'm afraid this will be an unpoplular response.

Soaps are supposed to mirror real life. In real life, there are a whole lot of dead beat dads.

I wish it weren't so, but it's a fact.

Twocentsworth, I honestly do understand your point. But, you named five children. As far as we know, three grew up without a father (Heather, Keemo and Jack's other son.) Two grew up with step-fathers (Adam and Lilly.)

Sounds depressingly realistic to me.

#11   2008/09/06 05:49PM
Re: Why are there so many
yesterdays news
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Quote Snizzle: I dont see Jack or Paul being a deadbeat....they just dont have the s/l's with those children yet...but Jack and Paul do mention phone calls every now and then to Ricky and Kyle.
Lily has a dad..Neil..
Victor..sure he is a cold sob at times but i don't see him as a deadbeat..


Snizzle, ITA with everything. Victor had a ruff beginning but in his own way he really does try. He never turned his back on his kids for no reason, and certainly not as children.

#12   2008/09/06 08:10PM
Re: Why are there so many
Beaubien
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I forgot all about Jack's son Kyle. I remember Keemo and was disappointed when he left the show. I really liked the relationship between Jack and Keemo.

I also forgot about Paul's son Ricky. Is Heather and Ricky aware of one another? I thought when Heather came to town she asked her father if there were any other children that she did not know about and Paul answered no. I could be wrong.

I hope the writers expand on some of the bloodlines that have disappeared. Especially as they begin to build the next Y&R generation.

#13   2008/09/06 08:24PM
Re: Why are there so many
Lilamoor
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Unless these characters are written as deadbeat dads, they cannot be characterized that way. The writers make the scenes, give the lines etc.
Victor is more of a dead beat dad than any of them.

#14   2008/09/06 08:31PM
Re: Why are there so many
twocentsworth
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Quote Lilamoor: Unless these characters are written as deadbeat dads, they cannot be characterized that way. The writers make the scenes, give the lines etc.
Victor is more of a dead beat dad than any of them.


Just for the fact they weren't involved in the life of their child/children seems to put them in that category...perhaps a less "harsh" term could be "absentee father"...after all, any man can be a "father", but an involved father is a true "dad"...

#15   2008/09/06 09:09PM
Re: Why are there so many
Bellydancing...
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Quote Lilamoor: Unless these characters are written as deadbeat dads, they cannot be characterized that way. The writers make the scenes, give the lines etc.
Victor is more of a dead beat dad than any of them.


ita, excellent post.

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