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Jill and Kay, if they wanted a fight over Chancellor Industries, could have done it whether Cane proved to be Jill and Phillip II son, or Phillip III (and Phillip IV) proved to be Chancellors. Don't know how this new revealation that Philliop III is still alive would change anything. |
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Quote Eppy: Jill and Kay, if they wanted a fight over Chancellor Industries, could have done it whether Cane proved to be Jill and Phillip II son, or Phillip III (and Phillip IV) proved to be Chancellors. Don't know how this new revealation that Philliop III is still alive would change anything. I agree, Eppy. Right now, Katherine owns CI, the mansion, and everything else Phillip II left her. The only way Phillip III will be entitled to anything will be when Katherine dies. I'm betting Katherine might be changing her previous will in his favor now that she knows he is alive and is the man Jill (and she) raised. As the true Chancellor heir, Phillip III should inherit CI and the mansion. |
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Quote Eppy: Jill and Kay, if they wanted a fight over Chancellor Industries, could have done it whether Cane proved to be Jill and Phillip II son, or Phillip III (and Phillip IV) proved to be Chancellors. Don't know how this new revealation that Philliop III is still alive would change anything. Yes, except everyone was ONE BIG HAPPY family because they thought CANE was Jill's son AND Katherine & Jill were mother and daughter. Then as they say things started going to he!! in a handbasket. Katherine was presumed dead, and the whole s/l which first started the estrangement with Katherine and Jill because Jill & Cane believed Kay was dead. Katherine finally proved herself with a DNA test and then it was proved they weren't mother and daughter. And the resentment and their "issues" started again. While it appeared that Katherine was ready to make "nice", Jill was still bitter and unhappy. Now with the recent events of the min-stroke KATHERINE has become bitter and unwilling. They are BOTH SPOILING for a fight, so here it COMES. CHANCELLOR INDUSTRIES is as good as ANY a reason to fight for these two. Let the "GAMES" and lawyers begin....................................................(JMO) |
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Quote HOT PINK: Quote Eppy: Jill and Kay, if they wanted a fight over Chancellor Industries, could have done it whether Cane proved to be Jill and Phillip II son, or Phillip III (and Phillip IV) proved to be Chancellors. Don't know how this new revealation that Philliop III is still alive would change anything. I agree, Eppy. Right now, Katherine owns CI, the mansion, and everything else Phillip II left her. The only way Phillip III will be entitled to anything will be when Katherine dies. I'm betting Katherine might be changing her previous will in his favor now that she knows he is alive and is the man Jill (and she) raised. As the true Chancellor heir, Phillip III should inherit CI and the mansion. When PHILLIP CHANCELLOR the third DIED, CI REVERTED BACK to Katherine according to the terms of PC2's WILL. That is why there will be a fight. And Jill still own's 1/2 of the mansion. |
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Quote clicquot1: Quote Eppy: Jill and Kay, if they wanted a fight over Chancellor Industries, could have done it whether Cane proved to be Jill and Phillip II son, or Phillip III (and Phillip IV) proved to be Chancellors. Don't know how this new revealation that Philliop III is still alive would change anything. Yes, except everyone was ONE BIG HAPPY family because they thought CANE was Jill's son AND Katherine & Jill were mother and daughter. Then as they say things started going to he!! in a handbasket. Katherine was presumed dead, and the whole s/l which first started the estrangement with Katherine and Jill because Jill & Cane believed Kay was dead. Katherine finally proved herself with a DNA test and then it was proved they weren't mother and daughter. And the resentment and their "issues" started again. While it appeared that Katherine was ready to make "nice", Jill was still bitter and unhappy. Now with the recent events of the min-stroke KATHERINE has become bitter and unwilling. They are BOTH SPOILING for a fight, so here it COMES. CHANCELLOR INDUSTRIES is as good as ANY a reason to fight for these two. Let the "GAMES" and lawyers begin....................................................(JMO) Jill doesn't have any rights regarding the ownership of CI. Katherine still owns it and will until she dies. I don't see any reason for Jill to try to take it from her now. And, Phillip III doesn't seem to be interested in it, or in the Chancellor money (though that could change). If Jill had gone to Katherine after she lost her money and had tried to be civil towards her, I know Katherine would have gladly helped Jill out of her financial difficulties. As it is, Jill has made her bed and should have to lie in it. Maybe Phillip III has become very wealthy and he will help his mom out. |
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Quote HOT PINK: Quote clicquot1: Quote Eppy: Jill and Kay, if they wanted a fight over Chancellor Industries, could have done it whether Cane proved to be Jill and Phillip II son, or Phillip III (and Phillip IV) proved to be Chancellors. Don't know how this new revealation that Philliop III is still alive would change anything. Yes, except everyone was ONE BIG HAPPY family because they thought CANE was Jill's son AND Katherine & Jill were mother and daughter. Then as they say things started going to he!! in a handbasket. Katherine was presumed dead, and the whole s/l which first started the estrangement with Katherine and Jill because Jill & Cane believed Kay was dead. Katherine finally proved herself with a DNA test and then it was proved they weren't mother and daughter. And the resentment and their "issues" started again. While it appeared that Katherine was ready to make "nice", Jill was still bitter and unhappy. Now with the recent events of the min-stroke KATHERINE has become bitter and unwilling. They are BOTH SPOILING for a fight, so here it COMES. CHANCELLOR INDUSTRIES is as good as ANY a reason to fight for these two. Let the "GAMES" and lawyers begin....................................................(JMO) Jill doesn't have any rights regarding the ownership of CI. Katherine still owns it and will until she dies. I don't see any reason for Jill to try to take it from her now. And, Phillip III doesn't seem to be interested in it, or in the Chancellor money (though that could change). If Jill had gone to Katherine after she lost her money and had tried to be civil towards her, I know Katherine would have gladly helped Jill out of her financial difficulties. As it is, Jill has made her bed and should have to lie in it. Maybe Phillip III has become very wealthy and he will help his mom out. PHILLIP the third OWNED CI when he died(because of PC2's will)and when he died, CI reverted BACK to KATHERINE. PC3 is ALIVE, so he owns CI, of course there will be legal avenues to go through because PC3 will have to be legally declared alive. This is similiar to when Katherine was alive and the terms of her will were in essence "voided". Both Katherine & Jill are back to their bitter, back-stabbing fueds of yesteryear or getting close to it. Yes, they love each other but with PC3's re-emergence the old pain & hurt is going to rear it's ugly head and the fighting will begin, sigh again. Spoiler is Katherine takes NINA's side and Jill takes PC3's side. I think this is JUST the BEGINNING. LOOK OUT. |
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I can't imagine that Jill would have a leg to stand on regarding Chancellor Industries - she is not an heir. The only heirs were Phillip III and Phillip IV. The only way Jill could somehow profit is through the inheritance of her and Phillip II's son, Phillip III. She is not a spousal heir because her death-bed marriage to Phillip II was annualed. Katherine is the legal spousal heir. As far as I can figure, with Katherine being legal owner of CI, she can will it to whomever she wishes - whether it be someone with the Chancellor heritage or not! Phillip III, and consequently IV, have already received their portion of Phillip II's inheritance. |
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Quote Eppy: I can't imagine that Jill would have a leg to stand on regarding Chancellor Industries - she is not an heir. The only heirs were Phillip III and Phillip IV. The only way Jill could somehow profit is through the inheritance of her and Phillip II's son, Phillip III. She is not a spousal heir because her death-bed marriage to Phillip II was annualed. Katherine is the legal spousal heir. As far as I can figure, with Katherine being legal owner of CI, she can will it to whomever she wishes - whether it be someone with the Chancellor heritage or not! Phillip III, and consequently IV, have already received their portion of Phillip II's inheritance. You are correct JILL is NOT a LEGAL HEIR but PC3 is. According to the terms of the will, Phillip was to have assumed ownership of CI on his 21 st birthday(I was wrong he didn't own it at the time of his death)and because he died B4 his 21st birthday Katherine retained ownership.(one source has him owning it before his 21st b-day and CI reverting back to her, but...)Because PC3 didn't die according to the will he is the OWNER of CI just like when Katherine was alive and her will was then voided(stock of JABOT etc.). So, to me the fight will come when Jill realizes this and convinces PC3 to go along with her and fight for CI. |
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Quote clicquot1: Quote Eppy: I can't imagine that Jill would have a leg to stand on regarding Chancellor Industries - she is not an heir. The only heirs were Phillip III and Phillip IV. The only way Jill could somehow profit is through the inheritance of her and Phillip II's son, Phillip III. She is not a spousal heir because her death-bed marriage to Phillip II was annualed. Katherine is the legal spousal heir. As far as I can figure, with Katherine being legal owner of CI, she can will it to whomever she wishes - whether it be someone with the Chancellor heritage or not! Phillip III, and consequently IV, have already received their portion of Phillip II's inheritance. You are correct JILL is NOT a LEGAL HEIR but PC3 is. According to the terms of the will, Phillip was to have assumed ownership of CI on his 21 st birthday(I was wrong he didn't own it at the time of his death)and because he died B4 his 21st birthday Katherine retained ownership.(one source has him owning it before his 21st b-day and CI reverting back to her, but...)Because PC3 didn't die according to the will he is the OWNER of CI just like when Katherine was alive and her will was then voided(stock of JABOT etc.). So, to me the fight will come when Jill realizes this and convinces PC3 to go along with her and fight for CI. Here's what can possibly come into play if there's a big fight over CI: PC 3 coming back to GC brings up a whole new set of problems about his and Cane's passports and dual citizenship. Cane's visa was due to expire when he arrived in GC. Amber came up with the idea of getting married so he could stay in the U.S., and a chance to secure a wealthy lifestyle. When Cane took the 2nd DNA test and proved to be Jill's son, Jill made arrangements to have the legal documents fixed so he would now have dual citizenship and documents saying he was born in the U.S. Cane and PC 3 not only told lies like everyone else in GC but they were both involved with major corporations and people's livelihood. PC 3 and Cane could be in a heap of trouble, if TPTB go that route. They have both committed fraud and using false identies. Cane worked for Chancellor Industries and Jabot as CEO. He made major decisions and signed contracts and other legal documents, which include interstate and possibly foreign countries. Katherine or someone else could use this information as a bargaining chip in the legal battle. There could be lots of twists and turns in the future for this storyline. |
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Quote Daisy Jane: Quote clicquot1: Quote Eppy: I can't imagine that Jill would have a leg to stand on regarding Chancellor Industries - she is not an heir. The only heirs were Phillip III and Phillip IV. The only way Jill could somehow profit is through the inheritance of her and Phillip II's son, Phillip III. She is not a spousal heir because her death-bed marriage to Phillip II was annualed. Katherine is the legal spousal heir. As far as I can figure, with Katherine being legal owner of CI, she can will it to whomever she wishes - whether it be someone with the Chancellor heritage or not! Phillip III, and consequently IV, have already received their portion of Phillip II's inheritance. You are correct JILL is NOT a LEGAL HEIR but PC3 is. According to the terms of the will, Phillip was to have assumed ownership of CI on his 21 st birthday(I was wrong he didn't own it at the time of his death)and because he died B4 his 21st birthday Katherine retained ownership.(one source has him owning it before his 21st b-day and CI reverting back to her, but...)Because PC3 didn't die according to the will he is the OWNER of CI just like when Katherine was alive and her will was then voided(stock of JABOT etc.). So, to me the fight will come when Jill realizes this and convinces PC3 to go along with her and fight for CI. Here's what can possibly come into play if there's a big fight over CI: PC 3 coming back to GC brings up a whole new set of problems about his and Cane's passports and dual citizenship. Cane's visa was due to expire when he arrived in GC. Amber came up with the idea of getting married so he could stay in the U.S., and a chance to secure a wealthy lifestyle. When Cane took the 2nd DNA test and proved to be Jill's son, Jill made arrangements to have the legal documents fixed so he would now have dual citizenship and documents saying he was born in the U.S. Cane and PC 3 not only told lies like everyone else in GC but they were both involved with major corporations and people's livelihood. PC 3 and Cane could be in a heap of trouble, if TPTB go that route. They have both committed fraud and using false identies. Cane worked for Chancellor Industries and Jabot as CEO. He made major decisions and signed contracts and other legal documents, which include interstate and possibly foreign countries. Katherine or someone else could use this information as a bargaining chip in the legal battle. There could be lots of twists and turns in the future for this storyline. The greatest reason for the feud between Katherine and Jill is because of: Phillip Chancellor III was the love child of Jill Foster and Phillip Chancellor II, as Phillip's father was married to Katherine at the time of conception. Though Jill and Phillip II were married on his deathbed, Katherine had the marriage legally invalidated, stopping any inheritance to Jill or her son-and use of the Chancellor name. (Soap Central biography) I cannot find anywhere where Phillip III was to inherit Chancellor Industries when he turned 21. He was to inherit a trust as I recall which went on the Phillip IV. |
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Quote Eppy: Quote Daisy Jane: Quote clicquot1: Quote Eppy: I can't imagine that Jill would have a leg to stand on regarding Chancellor Industries - she is not an heir. The only heirs were Phillip III and Phillip IV. The only way Jill could somehow profit is through the inheritance of her and Phillip II's son, Phillip III. She is not a spousal heir because her death-bed marriage to Phillip II was annualed. Katherine is the legal spousal heir. As far as I can figure, with Katherine being legal owner of CI, she can will it to whomever she wishes - whether it be someone with the Chancellor heritage or not! Phillip III, and consequently IV, have already received their portion of Phillip II's inheritance. You are correct JILL is NOT a LEGAL HEIR but PC3 is. According to the terms of the will, Phillip was to have assumed ownership of CI on his 21 st birthday(I was wrong he didn't own it at the time of his death)and because he died B4 his 21st birthday Katherine retained ownership.(one source has him owning it before his 21st b-day and CI reverting back to her, but...)Because PC3 didn't die according to the will he is the OWNER of CI just like when Katherine was alive and her will was then voided(stock of JABOT etc.). So, to me the fight will come when Jill realizes this and convinces PC3 to go along with her and fight for CI. Here's what can possibly come into play if there's a big fight over CI: PC 3 coming back to GC brings up a whole new set of problems about his and Cane's passports and dual citizenship. Cane's visa was due to expire when he arrived in GC. Amber came up with the idea of getting married so he could stay in the U.S., and a chance to secure a wealthy lifestyle. When Cane took the 2nd DNA test and proved to be Jill's son, Jill made arrangements to have the legal documents fixed so he would now have dual citizenship and documents saying he was born in the U.S. Cane and PC 3 not only told lies like everyone else in GC but they were both involved with major corporations and people's livelihood. PC 3 and Cane could be in a heap of trouble, if TPTB go that route. They have both committed fraud and using false identies. Cane worked for Chancellor Industries and Jabot as CEO. He made major decisions and signed contracts and other legal documents, which include interstate and possibly foreign countries. Katherine or someone else could use this information as a bargaining chip in the legal battle. There could be lots of twists and turns in the future for this storyline. The greatest reason for the feud between Katherine and Jill is because of: Phillip Chancellor III was the love child of Jill Foster and Phillip Chancellor II, as Phillip's father was married to Katherine at the time of conception. Though Jill and Phillip II were married on his deathbed, Katherine had the marriage legally invalidated, stopping any inheritance to Jill or her son-and use of the Chancellor name. (Soap Central biography) I cannot find anywhere where Phillip III was to inherit Chancellor Industries when he turned 21. He was to inherit a trust as I recall which went on the Phillip IV. Y&R wiki/google who owns CHANCELLOR INDUSTRIES And I know the reasons for their feud as I have been watching since 1974. Katherine got bored in her marriage and started having affairs wit the stable boys & others, smoking, and drinking and she became an alcoholic. Jill was her paid companion who she took a liking to and Jill & PC2 had an affair. Jill got pregnant & Katherine found out. She was drunk during the signing of the divorce papers which Katherine's lawyer got overturned(the divorce because she was drunk). Phillip went to the DOMINICAN Republic(I think can't remember)for the divorce to get final. She picked him up at the airport (drunk or drinking) they argued and the car went over the cliff(like Toonces the driving cat). On his deathbed, he married Jill to give PC3 a name. When PC3 came back from boarding school there was a fight over him for custody and PC3 finally learned the truth of how(according to Jill she was testifying)Katherine robbed him of his name & inheritance. These two have fighting so long over how Jill "stole" Katherine's husband when HE begged Kay to quit drinking and come back to him. Oh, well the more things change the more they stay the same. Me thinks that MAB loves them FIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!TB is only staying for 6 months so we shall see what happens and we know that he & Cane broke some laws and there was the little case of "fraud" with some "mail fraud thrown in. Oh, I'm sorry I forgot to say that when Kay & Jill were battling for PC3 and he found out the truth was when Kay made sure he got his name back & then he was officially a CHANCELLOR. |
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Quote clicquot1: Quote Eppy: Quote Daisy Jane: Quote clicquot1: Quote Eppy: I can't imagine that Jill would have a leg to stand on regarding Chancellor Industries - she is not an heir. The only heirs were Phillip III and Phillip IV. The only way Jill could somehow profit is through the inheritance of her and Phillip II's son, Phillip III. She is not a spousal heir because her death-bed marriage to Phillip II was annualed. Katherine is the legal spousal heir. As far as I can figure, with Katherine being legal owner of CI, she can will it to whomever she wishes - whether it be someone with the Chancellor heritage or not! Phillip III, and consequently IV, have already received their portion of Phillip II's inheritance. You are correct JILL is NOT a LEGAL HEIR but PC3 is. According to the terms of the will, Phillip was to have assumed ownership of CI on his 21 st birthday(I was wrong he didn't own it at the time of his death)and because he died B4 his 21st birthday Katherine retained ownership.(one source has him owning it before his 21st b-day and CI reverting back to her, but...)Because PC3 didn't die according to the will he is the OWNER of CI just like when Katherine was alive and her will was then voided(stock of JABOT etc.). So, to me the fight will come when Jill realizes this and convinces PC3 to go along with her and fight for CI. Here's what can possibly come into play if there's a big fight over CI: PC 3 coming back to GC brings up a whole new set of problems about his and Cane's passports and dual citizenship. Cane's visa was due to expire when he arrived in GC. Amber came up with the idea of getting married so he could stay in the U.S., and a chance to secure a wealthy lifestyle. When Cane took the 2nd DNA test and proved to be Jill's son, Jill made arrangements to have the legal documents fixed so he would now have dual citizenship and documents saying he was born in the U.S. Cane and PC 3 not only told lies like everyone else in GC but they were both involved with major corporations and people's livelihood. PC 3 and Cane could be in a heap of trouble, if TPTB go that route. They have both committed fraud and using false identies. Cane worked for Chancellor Industries and Jabot as CEO. He made major decisions and signed contracts and other legal documents, which include interstate and possibly foreign countries. Katherine or someone else could use this information as a bargaining chip in the legal battle. There could be lots of twists and turns in the future for this storyline. The greatest reason for the feud between Katherine and Jill is because of: Phillip Chancellor III was the love child of Jill Foster and Phillip Chancellor II, as Phillip's father was married to Katherine at the time of conception. Though Jill and Phillip II were married on his deathbed, Katherine had the marriage legally invalidated, stopping any inheritance to Jill or her son-and use of the Chancellor name. (Soap Central biography) I cannot find anywhere where Phillip III was to inherit Chancellor Industries when he turned 21. He was to inherit a trust as I recall which went on the Phillip IV. Y&R wiki/google who owns CHANCELLOR INDUSTRIES And I know the reasons for their feud as I have been watching since 1974. Katherine got bored in her marriage and started having affairs wit the stable boys & others, smoking, and drinking and she became an alcoholic. Jill was her paid companion who she took a liking to and Jill & PC2 had an affair. Jill got pregnant & Katherine found out. She was drunk during the signing of the divorce papers which Katherine's lawyer got overturned(the divorce because she was drunk). Phillip went to the DOMINICAN Republic(I think can't remember)for the divorce to get final. She picked him up at the airport (drunk or drinking) they argued and the car went over the cliff(like Toonces the driving cat). On his deathbed, he married Jill to give PC3 a name. When PC3 came back from boarding school there was a fight over him for custody and PC3 finally learned the truth of how(according to Jill she was testifying)Katherine robbed him of his name & inheritance. These two have fighting so long over how Jill "stole" Katherine's husband when HE begged Kay to quit drinking and come back to him. Oh, well the more things change the more they stay the same. Me thinks that MAB loves them FIGHTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!TB is only staying for 6 months so we shall see what happens and we know that he & Cane broke some laws and there was the little case of "fraud" with some "mail fraud thrown in. Oh, I'm sorry I forgot to say that when Kay & Jill were battling for PC3 and he found out the truth was when Kay made sure he got his name back & then he was officially a CHANCELLOR. I'm pretty much familiar with the history as well as I was watching at the time. I was not questioning your recall - I thought I was responding to Daisy Jane. Sorry. At any rate, I do not trust all on wiki as it is actually written by the public in general. Schools instruct their students not to rely on wiki 'facts' for that reason. As I recall, Phillip III's trust was all involved in the inheritance which some went to Nina and to Phillip IV in majority. After Katherine became Phillip's guardian she consented to allow Phillip III to legally have his name changed to Chancellor. |
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There's also going to be another twist in this story. Katherine's REAL daughter who is out there somewhere. The one she had with Judge Arthur Hendricks who we assumed was Jill until DNA proved otherwise. If Phillip III can come back from the dead, can't Katherine's real daughter show up anytime? This will be interesting! And, Jill also has a real set of biological parents out there somewhere too! What a mess. |
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Quote Eppy: There's also going to be another twist in this story. Katherine's REAL daughter who is out there somewhere. The one she had with Judge Arthur Hendricks who we assumed was Jill until DNA proved otherwise. If Phillip III can come back from the dead, can't Katherine's real daughter show up anytime? This will be interesting! And, Jill also has a real set of biological parents out there somewhere too! What a mess. Yes, sure hope TPTB wrap up that s/l with a brand new bouncing baby GIRL. Congratulations Katherine "IT'S A GIRL...............................Jill won't like that.
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