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***SUMMER'S CRISIS ****~~ Spolier Discussed!

Started by Keeley at 2009/06/24 10:19PM
Latest post: 2009/07/01 02:17AM, Views: 8256, Replies: 66
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#11   2009/06/25 11:04AM
Re: ***SUMMER'S CRISIS ****~~ Spolier Discussed!
Oreo123
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Quote clicquot1:
Quote divorcedatlast: Remember when the DNA came back and Nick was the only one who saw it? He must have known that Jack is Dad. He just wanted to get away from Sharon. He will probably say yes he knew but hey Jack went for Sharon so it was to get even with him.

Nick read the envelope and then went away and when he came back he went to SHARON. When he was talking to Sharon he made it very clear by saying that he was going to be STAYING with Sharon & Noah what his intentions were. Nick wanted his family and to also be able to see the baby & Phyllis said NO, it would be to hard and that she didn't want him to see the baby. Sharon did not want to be responsible for Phyllis keeping Nick away from the baby, so SHARON told Nick no they were going to separate and divorce. Sharon kicked Nick out.


So why does everyone think Nick is not Summer's father? Why would he lie if he wanted to stay with Sharon? If he wasn't Summer's father he could have remained with Sharon and there wouldn't be an issue...and no divorce. Period.
If he lied he may have done so knowing Sharon wouldn't want to be married to him if he fathered another woman's child and the divorce would be her choice and not his. So which is it?

#12   2009/06/25 04:55PM
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Keeley
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Quote clicquot1:
Quote divorcedatlast: Remember when the DNA came back and Nick was the only one who saw it? He must have known that Jack is Dad. He just wanted to get away from Sharon. He will probably say yes he knew but hey Jack went for Sharon so it was to get even with him.

Nick read the envelope and then went away and when he came back he went to SHARON. When he was talking to Sharon he made it very clear by saying that he was going to be STAYING with Sharon & Noah what his intentions were. Nick wanted his family and to also be able to see the baby & Phyllis said NO, it would be to hard and that she didn't want him to see the baby. Sharon did not want to be responsible for Phyllis keeping Nick away from the baby, so SHARON told Nick no they were going to separate and divorce. Sharon kicked Nick out.

I remember this and Sharon did say, "you have to be able to see the baby". I also remember when Nick was leaving the Shick home, he said to Sharon, are we really going to do this?... as he was crying. She was crying and said yes, it is the best thing with everything that has happened, we can't go back.
Still you never knew what was behind the paternity answer for sure!

#13   2009/06/25 04:59PM
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Keeley
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Quote Oreo123:
Quote clicquot1:
Quote divorcedatlast: Remember when the DNA came back and Nick was the only one who saw it? He must have known that Jack is Dad. He just wanted to get away from Sharon. He will probably say yes he knew but hey Jack went for Sharon so it was to get even with him.

Nick read the envelope and then went away and when he came back he went to SHARON. When he was talking to Sharon he made it very clear by saying that he was going to be STAYING with Sharon & Noah what his intentions were. Nick wanted his family and to also be able to see the baby & Phyllis said NO, it would be to hard and that she didn't want him to see the baby. Sharon did not want to be responsible for Phyllis keeping Nick away from the baby, so SHARON told Nick no they were going to separate and divorce. Sharon kicked Nick out.


So why does everyone think Nick is not Summer's father? Why would he lie if he wanted to stay with Sharon? If he wasn't Summer's father he could have remained with Sharon and there wouldn't be an issue...and no divorce. Period.
If he lied he may have done so knowing Sharon wouldn't want to be married to him if he fathered another woman's child and the divorce would be her choice and not his. So which is it?


He and Sharon were in their grief mode over Cassie back then, and even then, he wasn't 100% on leaving Sharon. Your question is my question, which is it? I think the writers left this question open so they could take it however wherever they wanted to on this, at any point in time. We are in limbo!!!

#14   2009/06/25 05:03PM
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Keeley
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Quote lightandday:
Quote Keeley: I can't speak for everyone who keeps talking about the paternity of Summer, but I always had the question because there was never a scene where Nick read the results. AND HE TOOK OFF WITH THE PAPER STATING THE RESULTS FOR DAYS. He just said he was the father, to Phyllis. And this is a question...I feel though, like it was part of this back then, did Phyllis walk in the office and pick up an envelope on Nick's desk that was supposed to be the paternity results, and then she put it back down and didn't open it?

All of this got me thinking, and I didn't mean to try to get anyone convinced that the paternity is not Nick. It is the opposite, I just wondered because it was never made clear. I know Summer was in the hospital prior for a fever, and for hurting her arm at the park. I don't remember blood tests being run. Bottom line: I think anything is possible with the writing we have been seeing lately!



I agree with you here and his actions (Nick) at the time was weird, I will never forget when Jack & Sharon were set to go to Antigua Nick ask her was she going alone when he pick up Noahs things, then he followed her back at the Newman office staring out of one office blinds watching her & Jack leave toward the elevators, but he was hiding when he did it other than being a jealous ex-husband I always read sumthin into that could of be nothing thou I just always wonder what that scene was about.


This is my frustration, a scene like the one that you describe is another one where we are left what the outcome was and what point was made in letting us, the viewers , see this? I have hope we will get answers, because take the Gloria and the dangerous, lethal creme she circulated. I thought that was in a dead zone forever and then it came out of nowhere, not at all a smooth bringing up of that again because she and Jefferey were lovers one day and the very next, he ratted on her and blew that out in the open and she was arrested. Ugh!!! This is why it is hard to watch and wait here sometimes with the Y & R!!

#15   2009/06/25 05:14PM
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trixie60
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I kind of thought that this would be the opportunity to reveal Jack as the father of Summer. I really hope that he is. So that Jack and Phyllis could get together again. Summer really likes Jack as seen in scenes with him and her. I hope that MJ pays for this awful crime of hurting a child. And that Jack never wants to see her again. And I hope that Summer comes out of the hospital ok. We don't need to see another child die on this show.

#16   2009/06/25 06:40PM
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scatvar17
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To try to kill a child there is so much evil in M.J,! But I think she may know that Summer is Jack's and wants to take away that tie to Phyliss. She would have to know that this would bring Nick to Phyliss and leave Sharon available. Her insanity has no plausible good outcome for her.

#17   2009/06/25 07:23PM
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Hush783
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Quote Keeley: OK , if the "Spoiler" is true, and Summer eats the peanuts she is allergic to, then does end up in a coma...what do you think of this as a possibility:

What if some testing is needed, and it is somehow revealed that Nick is NOT SUMMER"S FATHER? Has this been discussed or seen in any spurmors? I could actually give the writer's some credit if this, at least, comes out of this predicted terrible tragedy at the hands of MJ! (I looked through 3 pages, and found nothing about this speculation.) Could we finally get at least one of the paternity questions we have solved?


Honestly, I think they are going to have Jack walk away with a kid in his arms. They wouldn't be showing him this desperate for a child if he wasn't going to end up with one. At this point we all know Sharons babydaddy is Nick so I do believe it will finally be revealed that Jack is indeed Summers daddy (duh). They're showing a lot more interactions with Jack, Phyllis and Summer these days. Phyllis also made that comment to Jack about him wanting Summer to be his so badly. Foreshadowing maybe? I think so.

The spoilers did say Sharons pregnancy will rock both the Newmans and the Abbotts. I'm thinking (and buckloads of other people) that Nick is raising an Abbott and an Abbott is raising a Newman.

#18   2009/06/25 07:25PM
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Hush783
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Quote cpmorpheous:
Quote chloehater123: JMO - but i think it is just wishful thinking on Shick fans and another reason to bash Phyllis who by proof of DNA testing knows only Nick to be the father of Summer. Nick is Summer's father.


No, it is not wishful thinking of the Shick fans, it is a fact and will come out eventually, we just have to be patient!!!!


lol...for real. Patience is the key

All signs are pointing in that direction.

#19   2009/06/25 07:32PM
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Hush783
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Quote clicquot1:
Quote divorcedatlast: Remember when the DNA came back and Nick was the only one who saw it? He must have known that Jack is Dad. He just wanted to get away from Sharon. He will probably say yes he knew but hey Jack went for Sharon so it was to get even with him.

Nick read the envelope and then went away and when he came back he went to SHARON. When he was talking to Sharon he made it very clear by saying that he was going to be STAYING with Sharon & Noah what his intentions were. Nick wanted his family and to also be able to see the baby & Phyllis said NO, it would be to hard and that she didn't want him to see the baby. Sharon did not want to be responsible for Phyllis keeping Nick away from the baby, so SHARON told Nick no they were going to separate and divorce. Sharon kicked Nick out.


Thank you!

Yep, that's how I remember it. I also remember Nick being ok with NOT being apart of the childs life. He wanted to stay with Sharon and their son but Sharon kicked his a$$ out.

Nick wanted a child to fill Cassies void but still be married to Sharon. I clearly remember him say "I want to be YOUR husband".

#20   2009/06/25 07:36PM
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Hush783
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Quote scatvar17: To try to kill a child there is so much evil in M.J,! But I think she may know that Summer is Jack's and wants to take away that tie to Phyliss. She would have to know that this would bring Nick to Phyliss and leave Sharon available. Her insanity has no plausible good outcome for her.


Not all psychos are smart. Just look at Phyllis.

#21   2009/06/25 07:37PM
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scatvar17
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It's a shame that Nick was never able to develop into a real man. He always reaches for the easiest way out. because he can and his women LET HIM!!!!

#22   2009/06/25 07:43PM
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pdames4
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Yes, I believe Jack is Summer's father. I also believe Victor is the culprit that changed the paternity results.

#23   2009/06/25 08:33PM
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ilovemedanes
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Quote Keeley:
Quote shoozeyque2: An allergy attack, if it turns out to be really serious or critical may lead to hospitalization and blood tests, and she may need blood if it comes to that depending on what happens. The main thing is, this is a reason to get the child to the hospital, and possibly leading to blood tests, in which it may determine the paternity of the child is not who we think it is.


Yes, who knows how the writers would work this in, but the more I think about it, the more it seems like this would be the right timing to have the doctors say, Nick Newman is not a match to Summer for blood, or they may do something like she has kidney failure, and needs a kidney.. and then there would be Red's face with her jaw dropping!!! (or not if she knew it all along?)


Yes, this would be perfect timing if the writers had a clue!
Instead they want Sharon to have another paternity lie

#24   2009/06/25 08:40PM
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Soulsistah
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I don't know if I can buy that Victor would contribute that way to the demise of Shick's marriage, given how much he loves Sharon as his daughter-in-law (still considers her family, and always will )

I don't see why Summer's paternity reveal has to be so complicated. With all the erroneous DNA test results of late (Jill/Kay/Cane), that would be the simplest way to bring this out: the results Nick saw were wrong. No need for him to lie (or Phyllkill to switch the results - though she is certainly capable of that). Summer ends up in the hospital and is unconscious (big difference from just scraping her knee ) ...blood tests of some kind will be needed, I'm sure.

But given how Soaps go, and all the foreshadowing that was being done around the time of Summer's birth and after, it's pretty clear that it'll come out Summer is Jack's child. It's just way too obvious and scenes like the ones that have been mentioned aren't just thrown in for no reason. They are done deliberately so they can be used for future potential story lines. We have never seen so many scenes of Phyllis, Jack and Summer interacting like we have been now... The signs are all there. Summer will be fine and her "illness" will be used as plot device to impact both Shick and Phick.

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#25   2009/06/25 08:43PM
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youngesoapwa...
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i can almost see this happening summer eats penut because sharons baby will be nicks and then summer will be jacks and phylis and jack will be togther typical

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