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Do you think it was rape?

Started by CYRINA4everfan at 2007/08/30 09:14PM
Latest post: 2007/09/04 10:15PM, Views: 1325, Replies: 59
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#11   2007/08/31 06:49AM
Re: Do you think it was rape?
Delonjo
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Quote QueenReva: I can tell you from experience that when I was much younger and "socialized" at the bars quite frequently there were many times I put myself in the same place as Olivia and Jeffrey. Many times I had regrets over what had taken place, but I took responsibility for my part in it. I was never raped, but I did spend the night with people I wouldn't have if I hadn't become drunk the night before.

Serious question here...has anyone ever seen a clip where either Olivia said stop or Jeffrey heard stop and continued anyway?


As you put it, the scene was romanticized. TPB tried to have it both ways; getting great acting from CC while giving Jeffrey wiggle room. He's a rapist. He admitted it! But because we don't like Olivia and love Jeffrey with REVA, he couldn't have done such a thing. Not our hero! She's a b---h, so she got what she deserved.

It was sloppily done and I'm sure that TPTB regret going down that road, especially now that Jeffrey is supposed to be a shining example now paired with that other shining example, REVA Shayne.

#12   2007/08/31 06:55AM
Re: Do you think it was rape?
Delonjo
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Quote cardinal: Unfortunately, we never saw everything that happened, so I can't say for sure whether it was rape or not.

Still, Olivia did say that she didn't want it. Whether she said no to it or not, she didn't actually say yes to sex, vocally speaking. Because she was drunk, Olivia was incapable of consenting to anything at that moment.

Also, Olivia told us that she passed out at the moment of sex. This confession bothers me a lot, because if a person is unconscious, then it falls to the remaining conscious partner to make a decision, on whether or not to proceed.

Yes, Jeffrey was drunk too, but he should have at least noticed that Olivia's eyes were closed (he was facing her at the time), and not taken advantage of the situation. He also said (in the ITL episode) that he didn't care whether or not Olivia wanted it, just that he wanted it. So, if Jeffrey saw that Olivia was unconscious, and just didn't care, then yes, he did rape her.

Unfortunately, a big gap exists between them lying on that bed and the aftermath. Until those missing scenes are played out in thier entirety, I'll never know for certain what happened.


This is brilliantly stated. Thank you for saying it much better than I did and could.

#13   2007/08/31 06:56AM
Re: Do you think it was rape?
ladyjrh
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Olivia has enough to deal with cause of the date that ended badly BUT I have to wonderif also the writers can't show that she also had childhood issues of abadonment from her dad dying or something that more explains some of her current emotional states and crisis? Not saying that her dad abused her but that she has issues from being left behind. Cause she fights Reva since Reva ruined Richard, then Josh for Liv and so Liv can't take being left. And she can't take Reva taking all the 'good' men from her..

#14   2007/08/31 06:58AM
Re: Do you think it was rape?
Karrie
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Olivia is the only one who really knows. It depends on how she perceived the incident. If she felt like she was violated or she was unconscious during the act then I would have to say yes she was raped. Did Olivia ever call it rape or did she call it a one night stand? Whatever it was Ava was conceived by a very young scared girl who was left to deal with the consequences alone.

#15   2007/08/31 07:10AM
Re: Do you think it was rape?
gutsyangel
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Quote Delonjo:
Quote Revasfan: Hell no she wasn't raped. Period.

Rape- any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.

She was never forced, she never even asked him to stop. she was wide awake when he took her upstairs and she layed down on the bed.


So a drunk young girl has to scream her head off or it's not rape? A woman must have physical bruises and burns and scratches all over her body. If not, it was consensual. "Why didn't you fight?" If you didn't fight, you weren't raped. These are pre-feminism laws that never took the feelings and circumstances of women into account. Yeah, let's go back to those days when women had no representation and here victims of men's "superior wisdom." Just lie there and take it, girl. No one is gonna believe you because you didn't scream.

I find it odd that I, a man, have more compassion for the situation of young women then a bunch of women.

Jeffrey didn't rape her. He's too good-looking to have to rape anybody. "Hey, Mr. District Attorney, rape me! Rape me!" Are you guys serious?


Don't forget that Jeffrey didn't have the face he has now. Was he good looking? I can't remember. But I do think that Olivia was taken advantage of because she was so drunk. Being that drunk you don't have the sense to say yes or no. So in a reality she was raped in a way.

#16   2007/08/31 07:13AM
Re: Do you think it was rape?
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My problem is with the writers, not Olivia in general.

Like I posted earlier, this is just another example of the writers using rape to instigate a romantic coupling. This is so wrong! When Olivia was furious with Jeffrey about a year ago, that is correct however they started showing this sexual tension growing between them which is where they screwed up. This sexual tension led to Jeffrey kissing Olivia and her kissing back.

I don't know which is worse in this situation, the writers who continually minimize the affects of rape or a female head writer who allowed it. It's degrading to all women to portray this crime like this and GL is not the only show to abuse this s/l.

#17   2007/08/31 07:21AM
Re: Do you think it was rape?
Revasfan
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If every guy got locked up for having sex with a chick they got drunk WITH then all the guys would be in jail. He didn't set her up, plot to have sex with her, none of that. He was drunk too, just as much as she was, he took her up to the bedroom and her @$$ was wide awake, giggling the whole way.

#18   2007/08/31 07:22AM
Re: Do you think it was rape?
Delonjo
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I don't think rape should ever be used on daytime tv. Soaps are for entertainment purposes. I thought soaps were marketed to women. Do women clamor for rape s/l's? I'd never rape any of my characters, even male prisoners by drunken, randy ex-wives.

Side note: Raping Brooke Logan on B&B was the absolute worst decision B&B made in its history. I hate rape stories. They all suck! It's far too heinous and insidious. But we can't unring a bell. REVA's knight in shining armor has a huge stain on REVA's blue dress.

#19   2007/08/31 07:26AM
Re: Do you think it was rape?
Delonjo
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Quote Revasfan: If every guy got locked up for having sex with a chick they got drunk WITH then all the guys would be in jail. He didn't set her up, plot to have sex with her, none of that. He was drunk too, just as much as she was, he took her up to the bedroom and her @$$ was wide awake, giggling the whole way.


Men don't think that way. When the urge hits, especially when a man is as young as Jeff was then, the brain turns off because all the blood rushes down there. It's essentially true for most males. He didn't plot and say to himself, "I'm going to rape this PYT." He didn't think about it; he just did it. Just because it wasn't some Machiavellian plot doesn't mean that it didn't happen.

I guess I've talked too much about this. I'll move on.

#20   2007/08/31 07:29AM
Re: Do you think it was rape?
Revasfan
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Quote Delonjo:
Quote Revasfan: If every guy got locked up for having sex with a chick they got drunk WITH then all the guys would be in jail. He didn't set her up, plot to have sex with her, none of that. He was drunk too, just as much as she was, he took her up to the bedroom and her @$$ was wide awake, giggling the whole way.


Men don't think that way. When the urge hits, especially when a man is as young as Jeff was then, the brain turns off because all the blood rushes down there. It's essentially true for most males. He didn't plot and say to himself, "I'm going to rape this PYT." He didn't think about it; he just did it. Just because it wasn't some Machiavellian plot doesn't mean that it didn't happen.

I guess I've talked too much about this. I'll move on.



Your taking this way to serious, Olivia is not real and she wasn't raped. Don't feel bad for her.

Okay ladies, how many of you would want to date- How many of you would sell out your own nephew for a chance- with the guy that "raped" you?

It was a misunderstanding and a bad situation. How in the world was he supposed to know she didn't want him to have sex with her? There wasn't even one hint of a sign.
She was young she led him on, she didn't realize, but he was young, he didn't know the 'rules' I guess, you have to card a girl and get her to sign a contract stating that she concented to the sex nowadays cause every chick crys rape.

#21   2007/08/31 07:48AM
Re: Do you think it was rape?
gutsyangel
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Quote Revasfan: If every guy got locked up for having sex with a chick they got drunk WITH then all the guys would be in jail. He didn't set her up, plot to have sex with her, none of that. He was drunk too, just as much as she was, he took her up to the bedroom and her @$$ was wide awake, giggling the whole way.


He took advantage of the situation...yes she was drunk, but he wasn't as drunk and knew what he was doing. She didn't. I wish they would replay the episode so we can see it. I think we all have a different idea as to what happened.

#22   2007/08/31 07:55AM
Re: Do you think it was rape?
Revasfan
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nope, that's not how it was played out at all. He "knew" what he was doing? Where, and when did it ever in the s/l play out that he "knew" he was "taking advantage" of her or "raping" her?

#23   2007/08/31 08:11AM
Re: Do you think it was rape?
gutsyangel
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Quote Revasfan: nope, that's not how it was played out at all. He "knew" what he was doing? Where, and when did it ever in the s/l play out that he "knew" he was "taking advantage" of her or "raping" her?


I think this is where we agree to disagree. The flashback was played so long ago that I think everyone has a different view as to what happened. Unless someone has the clip to show, we will never agree as to what happened that night. I don't think it was consensual, others do. This thread could go on forever.

#24   2007/08/31 08:24AM
Re: Do you think it was rape?
Delonjo
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Quote Revasfan:
Quote Delonjo:
Quote Revasfan: If every guy got locked up for having sex with a chick they got drunk WITH then all the guys would be in jail. He didn't set her up, plot to have sex with her, none of that. He was drunk too, just as much as she was, he took her up to the bedroom and her @$$ was wide awake, giggling the whole way.


Men don't think that way. When the urge hits, especially when a man is as young as Jeff was then, the brain turns off because all the blood rushes down there. It's essentially true for most males. He didn't plot and say to himself, "I'm going to rape this PYT." He didn't think about it; he just did it. Just because it wasn't some Machiavellian plot doesn't mean that it didn't happen.

I guess I've talked too much about this. I'll move on.



Your taking this way to serious, Olivia is not real and she wasn't raped. Don't feel bad for her.

Okay ladies, how many of you would want to date- How many of you would sell out your own nephew for a chance- with the guy that "raped" you?

It was a misunderstanding and a bad situation. How in the world was he supposed to know she didn't want him to have sex with her? There wasn't even one hint of a sign.
She was young she led him on, she didn't realize, but he was young, he didn't know the 'rules' I guess, you have to card a girl and get her to sign a contract stating that she concented to the sex nowadays cause every chick crys rape.


One final thing: does Cassie's falling in love with Edmund automatically invalidate all the pain that he caused her in their past? NO! Why would Cassie almost marry a man who nearly killed her several times? I dunno. Oh, Edmund must not have done anything to Cassie. She was just hallucinating.

She asked for Edmund to kill her unborn child because she didn't tell him not to do it.

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#25   2007/08/31 09:46AM
Re: Do you think it was rape?
CYRINA4everfan
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Quote Delonjo:
Quote Revasfan:
Quote Delonjo:
Quote Revasfan: If every guy got locked up for having sex with a chick they got drunk WITH then all the guys would be in jail. He didn't set her up, plot to have sex with her, none of that. He was drunk too, just as much as she was, he took her up to the bedroom and her @$$ was wide awake, giggling the whole way.


Men don't think that way. When the urge hits, especially when a man is as young as Jeff was then, the brain turns off because all the blood rushes down there. It's essentially true for most males. He didn't plot and say to himself, "I'm going to rape this PYT." He didn't think about it; he just did it. Just because it wasn't some Machiavellian plot doesn't mean that it didn't happen.

I guess I've talked too much about this. I'll move on.



Your taking this way to serious, Olivia is not real and she wasn't raped. Don't feel bad for her.

Okay ladies, how many of you would want to date- How many of you would sell out your own nephew for a chance- with the guy that "raped" you?

It was a misunderstanding and a bad situation. How in the world was he supposed to know she didn't want him to have sex with her? There wasn't even one hint of a sign.
She was young she led him on, she didn't realize, but he was young, he didn't know the 'rules' I guess, you have to card a girl and get her to sign a contract stating that she concented to the sex nowadays cause every chick crys rape.


One final thing: does Cassie's falling in love with Edmund automatically invalidate all the pain that he caused her in their past? NO! Why would Cassie almost marry a man who nearly killed her several times? I dunno. Oh, Edmund must not have done anything to Cassie. She was just hallucinating.

She asked for Edmund to kill her unborn child because she didn't tell him not to do it.


That was tataly different. Not asking someone to not kill their unborn child is totally different than saying 'No.' to sex.

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