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Wow! Was it "Nail Harley Day" Yesterday?

Started by Delonjo at 2007/08/24 05:13AM
Latest post: 2007/08/27 01:15PM, Views: 818, Replies: 62
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#31   2007/08/27 07:29AM
Re: Wow! Was it
Revasfan
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I don't even like Harley, but I think she's getting a raw deal. Sorry, I call em like I see em.

Where are the Harley supporters at?

#32   2007/08/27 07:43AM
Re: Wow! Was it
Barrie
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As a married woman, I would hate to see all my faults come to light, but sometimes we must hit rock-bottom to see ourselves as we truly are. I'm not a Harley fan, but I do feel sympathy for her at this point. Gus sucker-punched her in the gut(sleeping with Nat) and that's hard to deal with. However, when knowing that someone is just waiting on your man - this should inspire Harley to just bit the bullet and repair her marriage NOW. Access the damage and move in the right direction, if that's possible. I think Harley is in a terrible position because as long as Nat is in town, she will always be an issue for them.

#33   2007/08/27 07:58AM
Re: Wow! Was it
Revasfan
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She's hurting though, and it's not like she has to accept just one accident, he keeps on digging and digging. The day she comes back, Natalia throws the "I'm the mother of his child and I ain't backin off"- then five minutes later, Gus is rubbing her hand right in front of her face.

Then when they BOTH decided to take some space he runs right over there to where she is.

I mean, I agree she should be ontop of this but DAMN, he just wont quit, and that's a lot to swallow.

#34   2007/08/27 08:08AM
Re: Wow! Was it
Delonjo
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Gus has had to swallow countless nonsense from Harley:

- Three ex husbands
- Not waiting for his "death" to be formalized before she bedded Mallet
- Three children by three different men
- Her family
- Her career
- Being Harley's obedient lapdog
- Constant flirting with Dylan
- Not being allowed to be a part of Daisy's life as a father figure ("Dylan is her father," Harley can't help but remind him each and every day )
- Her need for complete and total utter control of everyone and everything in her orbit
- And a partridge in a pear tree

But when it's time for Harley to take a dose of her own medicine, she cannot hack it, blames everyone else for her marital problems, and whines like a little girl instead of taking the bull by the horns and fixing her marriage. I'm glad that Gus ran to Nat. It proves to Harley that she is not the one and only deal in town.

Harley is the prototypical bully.

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#35   2007/08/27 08:19AM
Re: Wow! Was it
Barrie
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Quote Delonjo: Gus has had to swallow countless nonsense from Harley:

- Three ex husbands
- Not waiting for his "death" to be formalized before she bedded Mallet
- Three children by three different men
- Her family
- Her career
- Being Harley's obedient lapdog
- Constant flirting with Dylan
- Not being allowed to be a part of Daisy's life as a father figure ("Dylan is her father," Harley can't help but remind him each and every day ), and
- Her need for complete and total utter control of everyone and everything in her orbit.

But when it's time for Harley to take a dose of her own medicine, she cannot hack it, blames everyone else for her marital problems, and whines like a little girl instead of taking the bull by the horns and fixing her marriage. I'm glad that Gus ran to Nat. It proves to Harley that she is not the one and only deal in town.

Harley is the prototypical bully.


Well said. Every dog has it's day!

#36   2007/08/27 08:26AM
Re: Wow! Was it
gutsyangel
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Quote Delonjo: Gus has had to swallow countless nonsense from Harley:

- Three ex husbands
- Not waiting for his "death" to be formalized before she bedded Mallet
- Three children by three different men
- Her family
- Her career
- Being Harley's obedient lapdog
- Constant flirting with Dylan
- Not being allowed to be a part of Daisy's life as a father figure ("Dylan is her father," Harley can't help but remind him each and every day ), and
- Her need for complete and total utter control of everyone and everything in her orbit.

But when it's time for Harley to take a dose of her own medicine, she cannot hack it, blames everyone else for her marital problems, and whines like a little girl instead of taking the bull by the horns and fixing her marriage. I'm glad that Gus ran to Nat. It proves to Harley that she is not the one and only deal in town.

Harley is the prototypical bully.


Let's check Gus out (not quite Harley, but a close second)

- 1 very close girlfriend from the past without closure
- not waiting to see if Harley was actually sleeping with Dillon before sleeping with Nat
- 1 child by this not-forgotten woman
- his "Spaulding" family
- his career
- being by his side throgh drugs and terrible temper and dealing the "Spaulding" interference.
- constantly flirting with Nat...stroking her hand, kissing her cheek..etc..
- Harley not being able to be part of Raf's life and decesions and being reminded that it is his and Nat's son and again by Allan that he is a Spaulding.
- The need for Gus to have to rush every time Nat calls and says it's about Raf like it's an emergency and he takes off when he and Harley are in the middle of something. His way of trying to control what goes on with thier combined family like the so-called "family dinner".

Gus may not be a bully...I don't think Harley is one either, but honestly EVERYONE...would you instantly forget an affair your spouse had with another person hours or days after the incident. Harley is not pulling a hissy fit. She is confused and hurt. She did nothing wrong and Gus did!!!

#37   2007/08/27 08:28AM
Re: Wow! Was it
Revasfan
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I don't truely agree with the last bit, but I think she's getting a raw deal. I mean, what do you want her to do just keep on forgiving him? He won't stop the maddness!!!

#38   2007/08/27 08:38AM
Re: Wow! Was it
Delonjo
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Quote gutsyangel:
Quote Delonjo: Gus has had to swallow countless nonsense from Harley:

- Three ex husbands
- Not waiting for his "death" to be formalized before she bedded Mallet
- Three children by three different men
- Her family
- Her career
- Being Harley's obedient lapdog
- Constant flirting with Dylan
- Not being allowed to be a part of Daisy's life as a father figure ("Dylan is her father," Harley can't help but remind him each and every day ), and
- Her need for complete and total utter control of everyone and everything in her orbit.

But when it's time for Harley to take a dose of her own medicine, she cannot hack it, blames everyone else for her marital problems, and whines like a little girl instead of taking the bull by the horns and fixing her marriage. I'm glad that Gus ran to Nat. It proves to Harley that she is not the one and only deal in town.

Harley is the prototypical bully.


Let's check Gus out (not quite Harley, but a close second)

- 1 very close girlfriend from the past without closure
- not waiting to see if Harley was actually sleeping with Dillon before sleeping with Nat
- 1 child by this not-forgotten woman
- his "Spaulding" family
- his career
- being by his side throgh drugs and terrible temper and dealing the "Spaulding" interference.
- constantly flirting with Nat...stroking her hand, kissing her cheek..etc..
- Harley not being able to be part of Raf's life and decesions and being reminded that it is his and Nat's son and again by Allan that he is a Spaulding.
- The need for Gus to have to rush every time Nat calls and says it's about Raf like it's an emergency and he takes off when he and Harley are in the middle of something. His way of trying to control what goes on with thier combined family like the so-called "family dinner".

Gus may not be a bully...I don't think Harley is one either, but honestly EVERYONE...would you instantly forget an affair your spouse had with another person hours or days after the incident. Harley is not pulling a hissy fit. She is confused and hurt. She did nothing wrong and Gus did!!!


Gus almost instantly forgave Harley for sleeping with Mallet. Harley demanded as much because she's faultless. Funeral arrangement weren't even begun for Gus before she fulfilled her fantasy by bedding Mallet. That whole "Gus was dead" excuse is just that. The same way that Gus ran to Nat was how Harley ran to Mallet's hotel room. With the exception of the Spaulding stuff, you focus on the Nat sitch, which isn't very fair, IMO. Harley's crap goes way back to the beginnings of their relationship. Gus's situation is new, which has Harley apoplectic. It's about time that Gus had some issues from his past come up and bite Harley the way that Gus has been bitten by Harley's sordid history.

I even forgot about how patient Gus was with Harley during her engagement to Rick Bauer. I saw an old episode from that period recently. Harley was up to her same antics then.

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#39   2007/08/27 08:44AM
Re: Wow! Was it
gutsyangel
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Quote Delonjo:
Quote gutsyangel:
Quote Delonjo: Gus has had to swallow countless nonsense from Harley:

- Three ex husbands
- Not waiting for his "death" to be formalized before she bedded Mallet
- Three children by three different men
- Her family
- Her career
- Being Harley's obedient lapdog
- Constant flirting with Dylan
- Not being allowed to be a part of Daisy's life as a father figure ("Dylan is her father," Harley can't help but remind him each and every day ), and
- Her need for complete and total utter control of everyone and everything in her orbit.

But when it's time for Harley to take a dose of her own medicine, she cannot hack it, blames everyone else for her marital problems, and whines like a little girl instead of taking the bull by the horns and fixing her marriage. I'm glad that Gus ran to Nat. It proves to Harley that she is not the one and only deal in town.

Harley is the prototypical bully.


Let's check Gus out (not quite Harley, but a close second)

- 1 very close girlfriend from the past without closure
- not waiting to see if Harley was actually sleeping with Dillon before sleeping with Nat
- 1 child by this not-forgotten woman
- his "Spaulding" family
- his career
- being by his side throgh drugs and terrible temper and dealing the "Spaulding" interference.
- constantly flirting with Nat...stroking her hand, kissing her cheek..etc..
- Harley not being able to be part of Raf's life and decesions and being reminded that it is his and Nat's son and again by Allan that he is a Spaulding.
- The need for Gus to have to rush every time Nat calls and says it's about Raf like it's an emergency and he takes off when he and Harley are in the middle of something. His way of trying to control what goes on with thier combined family like the so-called "family dinner".

Gus may not be a bully...I don't think Harley is one either, but honestly EVERYONE...would you instantly forget an affair your spouse had with another person hours or days after the incident. Harley is not pulling a hissy fit. She is confused and hurt. She did nothing wrong and Gus did!!!


Gus almost instantly forgave Harley for sleeping with Mallet. Harley demanded as much because she's faultless. Funeral arrangement weren't even begun for Gus before she fulfilled her fantasy by bedding Mallet. That whole "Gus was dead" excuse is just that. The same way that Gus ran to Nat was how Harley ran to Mallet's hotel room. With the exception of the Spaulding stuff, you focus on the Nat sitch, which isn't very fair, IMO. Harley's crap goes way back to the beginnings of their relationship. Gus's situation is new, which has Harley apoplectic. It's about time that Gus had some issues from his past come up and bite Harley the way that Gus has been bitten by Harley's sordid history.

I even forgot about how patient Gus was with Harley during her engagement to Rick Bauer. I saw an old episode from that period recently. Harley was up to her same antics then.


Yes, I agree that Harley has more of a past then Gus..her character has been on forever. Gus only entered the show a couple of years ago. We don't know what's ahead...did he marry before and is not telling anyone? Does he have more children even he doesn't know about? I don't think Gus was a Monk all those years away from Nat. We know Harley's life before Gus...we don't know Gus's before Harley. Once we do, maybe your view on Harley won't be so one-sided.

#40   2007/08/27 08:54AM
Re: Wow! Was it
Delonjo
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I know that you know that, gutsy. But Harley pretends that Gus was created from her rib bone. A marriage supposedly goes both ways. Harley can't forgive Gus, but he's eternally expected to instantaneously accept Harley's flaws (which she constantly denies exist until too late).

I want Harley to work this out, but she is undermining my supportive feelings each step along the way. Now she's going to blame Nat for drugging her. The drugs made her do it. Noooooo. An intoxicated tongue speaks a sober mind. The Valium merely caused her to drop her guard with Dylan and express her true feelings. "I'm glad you're around, Dylan," she cooed sexy tones. The only day that she was speaking any sort of truth was when she was on drugs. She should use them more often if that's the case.

#41   2007/08/27 08:58AM
Re: Wow! Was it
Revasfan
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~)

#42   2007/08/27 09:00AM
Re: Wow! Was it
gutsyangel
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Quote Delonjo: I know that you know that, gutsy. But Harley pretends that Gus was created from her rib bone. A marriage supposedly goes both ways. Harley can't forgive Gus, but he's eternally expected to instantaneously accept Harley's flaws (which she constantly denies exist until too late).

I want Harley to work this out, but she is undermining my supportive feelings each step along the way. Now she's going to blame Nat for drugging her. The drugs made her do it. Noooooo. An intoxicated tongue speaks a sober mind. The Valium merely caused her to drop her guard with Dylan and express her true feelings. "I'm glad you're around, Dylan," she cooed sexy tones. The only day that she was speaking any sort of truth was when she was on drugs. She should use them more often if that's the case.


I don't know if you've seen Monday's show, but you will see a new Harley, a new Nat and a new Gus...things will work out.

#43   2007/08/27 10:10AM
Re: Wow! Was it
QueenReva
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All I have to say is that the fact that Gus accepts this treatment from his wife says more about his weak constitution than Harley's attitude.

If he accepts this kind of treatment that's his problem.

#44   2007/08/27 10:22AM
Re: Wow! Was it
Delonjo
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Quote QueenReva: All I have to say is that the fact that Gus accepts this treatment from his wife says more about his weak constitution than Harley's attitude.

If he accepts this kind of treatment that's his problem.


He's a weak man. That's what Harley's always loved about him. (This trait is also what REVA loves most about Joshua.) Both Mallet and Phillip were men with their own agendas and would not be subservient, hence the divorces. Alan-Michael was a childhood marriage and does not count, AFAIC.

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#45   2007/08/27 11:00AM
Re: Wow! Was it
gutsyangel
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Just one more thought on the "fault" of Tammy dying.

Scenerio: Harley and the boys, Nat and Raf are in Harley's house. Allan doesn't know about Nat and Raf but sets the house on fire anyways to kill Harley so she'll get out of Gus's life. Got it so far. Now Gus, realizing what's happening runs into the burning house and saves Harley, the boys, Nat and Raf but in the process he himself dies from the fire. Is Gus at fault for this? It seems Allan was the one who put everything in motion. In both cases, the person who started the "murder" should be the only one to blame for the tragedy. Not the end person who dies.

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