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Frank and Natalia's baby

Started by rei1 at 2009/09/09 08:57PM
Latest post: 2009/09/14 06:34AM, Views: 2808, Replies: 53
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#21   2009/09/14 09:23AM
Re: Frank and Natalia's baby
Lady53
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Quote keytonblows:
Quote TOK715: Actually, some people do call their step parents 'mom' or 'dad'. I call my stepfather 'dad'. He's the man who raised me, took me to karate, taught me how to fish and how to skate. He was also the one who grounded me, told me to pull my head out of my arse and every other thing a 'real' parent would do. And yes, at this time my bio dad was in the picture.

I dont think of my stepfather as 'John'. And when people ask who my 'Dad' is I don't refer to my biological father. He took a step back some time ago. Had he not, I'd have three parents and think nothing of it. As it stands I have two wonderful parents, one of whom I don't happen to share blood with.

I think we have to realize that families are changing and just because you don't share DNA with someone doesn't make you incapable of becoming a family. Liv and Nat are together, they are parents, they are parenting children. Just because the new baby (or even Emma)have fathers doesn't mean they can't have two mothers. Granted, Olivia would be the new baby's 'stepmom', but I would argue that so long as the child is loved and feels Olivia is its mother, that distinction is rather pointless. And as with any parenting, consensus or compromise should ideally be reached between parents about what's best for the child. The only difference with three parents (rather than two) is that there is a little more negotiating to go through. So long as everyone is reasonable, there shouldn't be an issue.


One major flaw in your theory, Natalia and Olivia aren't married and I don't see Frank letting Olivia adopt his baby. Olivia isn't a step-parent because last time I checked you had to be married to be a step-parent.



Another flaw is that your father took a step back as you said. Frank has been involved ever since he was told and will continue to be. He and Nat should be naming the baby and Olivia shouldn't have any say in it at all. Did your stepfather name you or change your name.

#22   2009/09/14 09:27AM
Re: Frank and Natalia's baby
Dreamin
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Yes to all of that!!!

#23   2009/09/14 09:41AM
Re: Frank and Natalia's baby
bigtimesoapfan
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Quote PelphreyPosse: TOK, trust you to bring some logic to this discussion which was getting out of hand. Two mommies, 6 mommies, 2 dads, 4 dads, all that really matters is that they all agree on what is best for the child. Everyone who is involved in the child's life should have input. You don't believe that grandparents don't have a say in how things go???????????? Then you never met my parents!!!!


Me too!! Mine are a pain in the arse!!

#24   2009/09/14 09:45AM
Re: Frank and Natalia's baby
bigtimesoapfan
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Quote keytonblows:
Quote TOK715: Actually, some people do call their step parents 'mom' or 'dad'. I call my stepfather 'dad'. He's the man who raised me, took me to karate, taught me how to fish and how to skate. He was also the one who grounded me, told me to pull my head out of my arse and every other thing a 'real' parent would do. And yes, at this time my bio dad was in the picture.

I dont think of my stepfather as 'John'. And when people ask who my 'Dad' is I don't refer to my biological father. He took a step back some time ago. Had he not, I'd have three parents and think nothing of it. As it stands I have two wonderful parents, one of whom I don't happen to share blood with.

I think we have to realize that families are changing and just because you don't share DNA with someone doesn't make you incapable of becoming a family. Liv and Nat are together, they are parents, they are parenting children. Just because the new baby (or even Emma)have fathers doesn't mean they can't have two mothers. Granted, Olivia would be the new baby's 'stepmom', but I would argue that so long as the child is loved and feels Olivia is its mother, that distinction is rather pointless. And as with any parenting, consensus or compromise should ideally be reached between parents about what's best for the child. The only difference with three parents (rather than two) is that there is a little more negotiating to go through. So long as everyone is reasonable, there shouldn't be an issue.


One major flaw in your theory, Natalia and Olivia aren't married and I don't see Frank letting Olivia adopt his baby. Olivia isn't a step-parent because last time I checked you had to be married to be a step-parent.


Exactly I said that before and on the step parent thing Im a step parent I get it but my step son did not call me mommy (now it's mom ah... love growing up) until after we were married (2 years after his father got together and were living in the same home. Until the vows were read I was just Sara plain and simple. If O & N marry fine then I get it. but no marriage = no being called mommy.

#25   2009/09/14 09:58AM
Re: Frank and Natalia's baby
shorty1943
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Getting out of hand?? No way, you need to go to some of the ones that do indeed get out of hand and end up getting closed.. This is a great board with different opinions, nothing nasty being said at all, everyone entitled to what they think without someone getting nasty and mean. You just have to be able to read opinions that are different from yours and not be upset about any of it...these posts are what people truly feel and we are all entitled to that. Sorry if anyone feels that it is not a fair board, we won't have these active story lines much longer, we should enjoy them while we do...thanks

#26   2009/09/14 10:05AM
Re: Frank and Natalia's baby
bigtimesoapfan
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Quote Lady53:
Quote keytonblows:
Quote TOK715: Actually, some people do call their step parents 'mom' or 'dad'. I call my stepfather 'dad'. He's the man who raised me, took me to karate, taught me how to fish and how to skate. He was also the one who grounded me, told me to pull my head out of my arse and every other thing a 'real' parent would do. And yes, at this time my bio dad was in the picture.

I dont think of my stepfather as 'John'. And when people ask who my 'Dad' is I don't refer to my biological father. He took a step back some time ago. Had he not, I'd have three parents and think nothing of it. As it stands I have two wonderful parents, one of whom I don't happen to share blood with.

I think we have to realize that families are changing and just because you don't share DNA with someone doesn't make you incapable of becoming a family. Liv and Nat are together, they are parents, they are parenting children. Just because the new baby (or even Emma)have fathers doesn't mean they can't have two mothers. Granted, Olivia would be the new baby's 'stepmom', but I would argue that so long as the child is loved and feels Olivia is its mother, that distinction is rather pointless. And as with any parenting, consensus or compromise should ideally be reached between parents about what's best for the child. The only difference with three parents (rather than two) is that there is a little more negotiating to go through. So long as everyone is reasonable, there shouldn't be an issue.


One major flaw in your theory, Natalia and Olivia aren't married and I don't see Frank letting Olivia adopt his baby. Olivia isn't a step-parent because last time I checked you had to be married to be a step-parent.



Another flaw is that your father took a step back as you said. Frank has been involved ever since he was told and will continue to be. He and Nat should be naming the baby and Olivia shouldn't have any say in it at all. Did your stepfather name you or change your name.


Also with that not to get to personal but di d your dad step back because he really wanted too or did he step by because he was pushed out? I have more then a few friends who have older kids(from a highschool sweetheart for example) and when the relationships ended with the mothers the moms decided when they picked their new Mr. right, they were out. and no longer able to be the fathers they wanted to be. One friend in paticular, his ex got married to a man w/ a better job and decided he wasn't good enough for "her" daughter. they moved out of state (job opportunity) with her new hubby and took his daughter with them. whenever he'd call to talk to her there was always an excuse, she was out, she was sleeping, she was studying etc. The mom made it nearly impossible for him to see her(she doesn't mind taking(and spending) his child support payments though) She's 16 now and thanks to the intenet they've found each other again(much to her mothers dismay). It's really sad. The role of father is just as important as the moms and I think sometimes we as women forget that.(imo)

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#27   2009/09/14 10:29AM
Re: Frank and Natalia's baby
TOK715
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My father was he one who eventually moved. His wife didn't care for me and as a result he took a step back. Oddly enough she now talks to me more then he does.

As for liv not being a step parent I would Warguethat longtime cohabitation (which is what they are planning) is nearly the same barring legal rifts the emotional attachment remains. I'm fairly certain that were they able to get married, they would. Hell, if you're all that sore about it, send up here to Canada. At least then liv would get some rights to the kid she's about to raise as her own.

#28   2009/09/14 10:43AM
Re: Frank and Natalia's baby
Lady53
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Quote TOK715: My father was he one who eventually moved. His wife didn't care for me and as a result he took a step back. Oddly enough she now talks to me more then he does.

As for liv not being a step parent I would Warguethat longtime cohabitation (which is what they are planning) is nearly the same barring legal rifts the emotional attachment remains. I'm fairly certain that were they able to get married, they would. Hell, if you're all that sore about it, send up here to Canada. At least then liv would get some rights to the kid she's about to raise as her own.




Well at least thank God that here in the US, the bio fathers and mothers have the rights, unless they are taken away or given up by a court order. No parent should have to share their parental rights with somebody who isn't a bio parent, unless one of the reasons mentioned above has happened. Remember you are talking legalities here.

#29   2009/09/14 11:29AM
Re: Frank and Natalia's baby
TOK715
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And, here in Canada, step parents do have legal rights to their stepchildren. They can file for custody or can be found to be required to pay child support. SO in terms of legalities, if Nat and O were to live in Canada, they could legally marry. Nat and O would then become steparents and would both have legal rights and responsibilites regarding the care of the children.

Obviously it's all relative but if O is going to be there from day 1, there is no reason she shouldn't be considered a full parent.

*apologies for the typos on the earlier post, I was going from my ipod and the touch screen and I apparently don't get along.

#30   2009/09/14 03:44PM
Re: Frank and Natalia's baby
Treester
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What about all the BIO dads who never pay a nickel towards child support, and are drug addicts and junkies? You mean to tell me because they are the biological parent, they should still have rights in the upbringing of the children they abandon? Here, we have 3 parents that we know will be loving and caring, but apparently thats still not enough for some people. Nobody is pushing Frank out of anywhere. Hopefully by the time the child is older, this bigotry wont exist anymore, because like it or not, this is what it is all coming down to. A lot of posters dont like the idea of a lesbian couple raising a child. Just admit it and be done with it. Lots of bio parents I'd like to put in a cage and lock the door. That's why there are so many children living in orphanages . Cause the BIO parents dont give a rats ass about them. plain and simple. Please just end the bigotry. It's disgusting.

#31   2009/09/14 04:17PM
Re: Frank and Natalia's baby
lorree
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I'm sorry, what do drug addicts and junkies have to do with a story line and discussion about Frank and Natalies baby? We have veered a tad off line here. When we talk about Frank you are certainly not talking about a drug abuser or someone that does not deserve to be in their baby's life full time, you can pretty much count on him to be there and I just do not see him letting Olivia bully him around where his child is concerned..

#32   2009/09/14 06:46PM
Re: Frank and Natalia's baby
NoNuke4me
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Quote TOK715: My father was he one who eventually moved. His wife didn't care for me and as a result he took a step back. Oddly enough she now talks to me more then he does.

As for liv not being a step parent I would Warguethat longtime cohabitation (which is what they are planning) is nearly the same barring legal rifts the emotional attachment remains. I'm fairly certain that were they able to get married, they would. Hell, if you're all that sore about it, send up here to Canada. At least then liv would get some rights to the kid she's about to raise as her own.


Since when does anything work out the way they plan it huh?
Jeffrey and Reva planned to grow old together that didn't work out did it. Less than a year ago Frank and Natalia were planning on getting married that didn't work out. So nothing ever goes the way it is planned. Natalia and Olivia might have stayed together for a year but as we all know things in the soap world changes on a dime.
Oh and about the drug addict thing, Frank is Chief of Police and an upstanding citizen, unlike Olivia who tried to have her own daughter killed.
Also about the canada thing, they don't live in canada so that entire statement is about as worthless as a bucket of sand in the middle of the dessert.

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#33   2009/09/15 05:48AM
Re: Frank and Natalia's baby
bigtimesoapfan
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LMAO No Nuke! Why is it when you try to defend a parents rights you have to hear stuff that has no place there!!(Treester if Frank was a druggie I would understand your logic but he's not and by the way there are just as many women who don't pay their child support too(my st. son calls her the egg doner)also for all the dead beats their are just as many wonderful fathers(and mothers) out there who get pushed aside because their babies mama thinks they own the child and can do as they please!
And why would Olivia need legal rights to the baby? If anything were to happen to Natalia the baby should be with her Father or do you not see it that way either? Just because Natalia is choosing this life for herself, theres no reason to make O more than she should be. Mommys girlfriend.

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#34   2009/09/15 08:55AM
Re: Frank and Natalia's baby
TOK715
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First, my comparison of my country's law with yours is meant to illustrate that law can be relative. O's rights to the baby can vary from even one state to the next. What this was meant to show is that different countries have different views on blended families. I'd rather not get into a pissing contest about who is better than whom, I was merely showing that the US version of the law is not the only one that exists.

Second, you classify O as some kind of demon. I don't think anyone in Springfield can throw that can kind of stone, considering the debauchery that runs rampant through the town. Even the glorious Frank Cooper (who used to run a chop shop) raised a daughter who was willing to plant drugs on a social worker to make sure her case went well. (Fine parenting at its best I'm certain). Arguably, so far, Emma is the best adjusted child in Springfield and she has been raised almost exclusively by Olivia alone or coparented with Natalia.

Third, in Rafe's case, where O has little to no influence in his parenting, I agree, Olivia will be Natalia's partner. However, in the case where the child will grow up under her roof, be nurtured, cared for and protected by Olivia (as a full parent), she will not be 'Mommy's girlfriend' she will be 'Mom'.

#35   2009/09/15 09:05AM
Re: Frank and Natalia's baby
shorty1943
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After reading this thread from the start several times, I have decided that this is all for naught, the getting upset, the taking of sides, because I truly cannot see Olivia staying in this relationship very long. ....does not mean I am against her and Nat at all because I simply do NOT care, but just do not see it lasting due to her past history..I know, I know maybe it was because she was always with men, and this time with Natalie it will last a lifetime, but that is so not Olivia..they can be together forever and always but just do not cheat Frank out of raising his baby, and no worry because he will not allow that to happen I am sure.....so happy ending I guess..

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