General Hospital - MESSAGE BOARDS

Comment by Admin: Welcome back! We don't allow "Fan only" threads (see http://www.soaps.com...6285/ at this point because we want everyone to be able to communicate no matter which side of the fence they're on. So, a better title for this thread would've been something like "Jolu discussion"...just FYI.


Hi Everyone,

Haven't posted in a while; had computer problems (needed to buy a brand new PC, unfortunately) and health problems this past week..when it rains, it pours!

In any case, I have not been seemingly able to find my "niche" on any other thread...no one's fault at all. So, in giving it some thought and missing sharing with the pals I have made here, I decided to give doing a new thread a try.

The writers are certainly to blame and responsible for what's happening on the show and the dissention many of us feel with Jolu and people related to their storyline, be it Spinelli, Matt, or Ethan. So, I wanted to create a thread for all Jolu fans (or maybe used to be fans or folks that just are not sure where they stand) to come post and not be worried about offending anyone who is still on the Jolu bus, off the bus or on the fence somewhere. I wanted spoilers to be fine as well so people won't have to worry about voicing where they think or perhaps have heard storylines may be going.

If you're off the Jolu bus, it's no doubt the result of being continually disillusioned what they've done to Jolu and the characters. In thinking about it, I am so upset about what TPTB didn't do with Jolu (all in the name of playing musical chairs with couples, it would appear, which was totally foolish on their part because it upset fan bases and ruined characters also in the process.)

Jolu started out so well...a chance meeting between two people at the end of the rope with their lives. Johnny was running from himself, his father and the life he was born into; a life he was not sure he wanted for himself (and still isn't sure about that) and Lulu was running from all the humiliation which dominated her life at the time; finding out her parents didn't have the storybook romance she always thought they had and also being a repeated victim of Maxie Jones' determination to make it her quest in life to make Lulu's life eternally miserable...something Maxie's still doing after all this time.

Jolu never bonded through sheer lust (unlike JoMax...that's the only thing I see with that pairing...lust and mutual self destruction. Not exactly the stuff from which Supercouples are born.) They bonded through dispondency over their lives and realized their commonalities with their mob ties (an element which was never adequately explored.) They eventually became something "forbidden" by everyone around them, but eventally decided to preserve against that which was forbidden by their families and the mob, even if it meant death. That IS the stuff from which Supercouples are born. Had the couple been allowed to maintain their "Us against whatever" foundation, we would not be where we are today. I have often thought that writer strikes and tug of wars between directions Frons and Guza wanted to take with characters were ultimately responsible for the loss of that original focus. Whatever the case, I think regardless of where we are, we might all agree that the past and the original foundation of what was Jolu has been destroyed...for good? Well, that we don't know! Lots of couples have angst, but it seems that is all this poor couple ever had! It gets painful for even the most faithful fan to watch that repeatedly.

So much was NEVER explored in this couple...

Their mob ties and how they were the same and different and how this created the "baggage" Jolu have as young adults.

The death of Johnny's mom and how that shaped his life.

Johnny's parentage (the possibilities of his being a Lansing could have made for an interesting twist).

Johnny's conflict with either accepting his fate as a mobster's son destined to take over someday versus his wanting a life free of the mob.

Lulu's role in Johnny's life...I would have much preferred her as his equal (as we see with a couple like Sam and Jason) and not as some perfect angel which brought out Johnny's savior complex and had to be placed on a pedestal or as a fragile little girl who couldn't handle his mob life (which is utter BS, considering Lulu's past) or as the long suffering girlfriend who has dimmished herself in the process of being with Johnny, which is what Lulu's pretty much become. That's been painful to watch as well. All of that (just my thought), began with last summer with Lulu going "crazy" and has just snowballed ever since. I am not sure if it's the product of Guza listening to fans who complained that Lulu needed to be brought down a few pegs (Ok, it's fine to bring a character down a bit, but not destroy them!) or it was the product of Guza overdoing a storyline...as he's sort of doing with Robin and the PPD thing now...things did not really need to get this far out of hand to the point where watching the storyline becomes a drag...and how many fans started complaining about Lulu screaming and seeing Logan every five seconds after about the first week or two of that?


In the process of all this, the writers have completely ruined characters...

Lulu's a shell of her former self. I wonder (though I think Luke's being a jerk lately after how he treated Lucky and then Lulu in favor of Ethan) if this week was not a turning point for Lulu and her dad was trying to make a point with how he treated the situation of Ethan lifting the Crimson money (Ethan's sticky fingers is getting a bit boring now too...we get it; the guy's a player.) and not just giving Lulu the money back. Luke seemed intent that Lulu's not reacting as she should or did in the past...and she's not. So, maybe as much as Luke's being a jerk, maybe he's also trying to help Lulu too...in his twisted dad way.

Johnny's just turned into a first class moron! It is very hard to root for this guy. He treats Lulu like crap, he lies, cheats, is a hypocrite, doesn't see people for what or who they are, cannot decide if he wants to be a mobster or a grease monkey, protects a sister who doesn't deserve his efforts, and is a coward who'd rather accept his "fate" than fight for what he claims he wants. Who'd route for that kind of character, the longer he keeps up the behavior? In many ways, what Sonny said about himself recently applies also to Johnny. He said, "I am living the life I deserve, with the wife I deserve." Johnny's doing the same thing...settling for less with someone like Maxie. With those two it's just self fulfiling prophecy meets self fulfiling prophecy...total destructiveness.

Maxie...well, I wonder now what the heck she was supposed to have "learned" from her BJ dream? If anything, she's gotten worse as a character ever since. She's in full throttle biotch mode. A "friend" would not walk around all holier than thou, feeding her friend's insecurities, making Lulu think SHE'S the one with the problem. Just like Johnny, Maxie's just become utterly deplorable. Is this so the viewers won't mind when Jolu and Spixie end? Makes you wonder and think back to what we were told about Jolu fans perhaps beginning to wish Jolu were not together after a while...well, that's certainly happened!

Whether you are off or on the Jolu bus or somewhere in between, the way things are now, one would have to admit that there HAS to be a break with Jolu and even Spixie now. To keep this up much longer is just cruel. From what I read so far about how it's going to be handled, I am not sure I like what I see.

I wanted Lulu's dignity to remain in tact. I wanted HER to walk away from the mess, leaving Johnny in the dust to regret all he's done. I wanted JoMax to get comeuppance BADLY! I did not want Lulu to look needy, hysterical or foolish. So far, with Lulu pulling in these gigolo replacements for Johnny, what I wanted isn't happening. I also wanted Maxie out of the picture a long time ago...she's doing all the things Lulu should have been doing with him. Johnny's confided in Maxie, shared his dreams with her, let her in on some of the mob stuff with the Ric incident. Shouldn't he be doing that with his girlfriend? Nah...too busy lying, keeping things, yelling, screaming, berrating her, and making a total idiot out of her in the process. As much as you want a couple, if Lulu were your daughter, sister or best friend, you have to ask yourself if you'd want her around Johnny. I don't think I would.

What in the Helena should Maxie want to get even with Lulu for once the crap hits the fan? Hasn't she hurt Lulu enough by jamming her tongue down Johnny's throat...twice? Why does Lulu have to be her "whipping girl" all the time...this sucks! The best term I can use to describe it. If Maxie's only comeuppance is Spin taking a walk, frankly, it's not enough for me because I don't think she's ever really loved Spin as he's loved her. Losing her job...well, yeah, then we'd be hitting the biotch where she lives!

Johnny...I want him to suffer big time. I can see how he'll most likely turn out...if there is JoMax sex, it will be grief sex over losing Spin and Lulu, like we are supposed to feel sorry for them. Why should we? Is this not what they wanted? To drive Spin and Lulu away? Congratulations...you keep doing that repeatedly and it works! They just do not need to make them look wrong and foolish in the process. Sure, the big coward will go back to the mob (Johnny in the fight with Ric the other day was about as believable as Spin taking on someone like Sonny and living to tell about it...I especially liked that nasty growl when Johnny finally got pulled off of Ric...big, scary mob dude...right.) he may blow a few things up and throw a few hissy fits. He might even take the blame for Claws and her role in Michael's shooting. I read that a DVD will be altered to blame someone else...how about it being Johnny? He seems to be ready to walk through fire and water for Claudia. He used to do that for Lulu, didn't he? When did Lulu stop being worth the effort? Would he think Claws was worth the effort if he knew all about her past with Trevor and her little bet with Maxie? Gee...I wonder if Maxie will go to Claws and ask for her money? Nah...burried storyine, I guess.

Where all of this ends up is any of our guesses. I think all the crap the writers have been doing, plus all those rewrites we've been hearing about make the task of knowing what to expect even more tough. Regardless of where you are with your Jolu appreciation...I do think this is going to be a tough week or two ahead. The breaks (Spixie/Jolu) are necessary now, as I said...it's just too cruel too keep this up much longer. Maxie and Johnny don't seem capable of any positive change now. Johnny's just as selfishly self destructive as ever and Maxie's the same biotch she always was...even worse. So I do wonder if remorse or regret ever figures in for them? I would think it plays little of a role for Maxie...she's just a shallow person. Her feelings never run deep. Jolu, well that's another story. These two once had a real relationship...willing to perhaps die for each other. That's pretty deep. Only it was so long ago, no one remembers...especially Johnny. For those of you who are future Jolu fans who want to see them have a future (and this is far more than a speed bump in their relationship, since all of this crap has been allowed to continue for so long...it's not like we're talking about one single minor infraction in a relationship here) then some sense of remorse, guilt and the desire to do something to fix things would need to be present in Johnny's character. Lulu would also have to be mighty forgiving!

If there's no Jolu future, I just cannot see JoMax established as anything more than lust. I'm also having a problem with Luthan...the guy irritates me the more he is on screen. (Looks aren't everything, but can someone please give him a bath, shave and a haircut? He just is too sleezy for my liking.) If he would serve as a voice of reason in how Lulu deals with Johnny, then I could accept that...whether he is her sibling or not; and we still do not know because of those rewrites!

Oh well...I wrote a novel here. Lots of venting! Feel free to jump in!

OK...since the Jolu ladies are offened that the not-so-Jolu fans are coming into their thread since LS open this one let's come in here to talk.

I really don't feel that anyone "bashed" any character...well...maybe Maxie, but because I don't want Johnny with Lulu doesn't mean that I've "bashed" them. I feel bad that we can't agree to disagree in the same thread because we don't want Jolu together and some do.

Hopefully the mods will let us keep this thread!

Hi skylie!

I didn't think we "bashed" Johnny and Lulu either, if anything thing we were saying the truth!

Why is it alright for the Jolu fans to say what an ass Johnny is being but if we non Jolu fans say it we are "bashing"

I really can't wait for the break up, maybe Johnny will wake up and realize what he has done to the one person that truly loves him.

I’m trying not to get my hopes up about DD rumors that Johnny will be drunk at the HS or that Maxie won’t win, although there was that SON report that said things wouldn’t go Maxie’s way so fingers crossed (but not holding my breath). There’s an emoticon to add, one that’s turning blue waiting for things TIIC promised and didn’t do.

They had some pretty good Maxie and Matt scenes today. They apparently had coffee together and Matt wants to take her to dinner.

NOW why couldn't they do this to begin with instead of the whole Joho crapfest?

Hi Ladies,

Thanks for coming in to post...though I wonder if the plug's going to get pulled on this one. I was just getting a little disillusioned by the "niggling" going on in some other places. Fans are so split on Jolu at this point (that's totally the writers' faults for the mess they've made) but I'm totally empathetic and accepting to anyone, no matter where they are in their Jolu "fandom."

I do understand some people are unwaivering in their support of Jolu and feel they can work things out and they'll be fine in the end. I admire that level of support. The problem I have with this personally is though I'd love Jolu as endgame, I don't want it at the expense of Lulu's self respect. This is considering the way things are now and IF they do not change (how Johnny's acting toward Lulu and treating her at present...and yes, that may change.)

Because the "deal" has not been completely sealed with JoMax yet, I can see why some people remain on the fence too. I honestly think if there is JoMax sex, then that's the "death knell" for Spixie and Jolu. But, then again, I do know couples bounce back from infidelity. It just seems to be the icing on the doomed cake in this case, considering how Lulu and Spin have already been treated before any hijinks even happens.

I can also understand why folks may not want Jolu anymore. This, I think, is the product of how the writers have transformed Johnny into an insensitive idiot, Lulu into a Stepford girlfriend, Maxie into an obnoxious egomaniac that thinks every man within a 20 mile radius of her should be intrigued, and Spin into a Maxie-whipped idiot who fantasizes about being someone he's not. That's all been so painful to watch for months now. With Jolu specifically, it's been one hurt, disappointment and drama after another and it is easy to see how any fan would become disillusioned and just want it all to stop. That's part of why a breakup at this point is so inevitable! It just cannot continue the way it has.

That all being said, Skylie, I had the same reaction to the Matt/Maxie scenes today. They seemed to come out of the blue today, but their interaction made me think, "Why on earth did they shelve Matt the way they did? Why did they not go with M&M to begin with??? I guess if the rumors were true, Frons wanted to try JoMax. I did not watch Kirsten and Jason when they played a couple on the other soap, so I don't know about their chemistry there, but Maxie was very tolerable around Matt. She's not around Johnny or even Spin anymore. With Johnny, it just makes you loathe the mutual pity party and with Spin, you just end up feeling sorry for him with how, to use Jason's words the other day, he is being "played" by Maxie. Seems like with putting Maxie with Johnny, Spin and now Matt, they're creating a really big problem! Well, maybe it won't be a problem if Johnny realizes he screwed up big time with Lulu and Spin ends up being hurt one too many times and kicking Maxie to the curb...might make the ultimate choice easier for Maxie.

With Johnny as a character, the writers are making it very difficult to make him likable or rootable anymore...hence, the really strong feelings about what he's doing and why. It seems that because he's turned into such a jerk, the "whys" of what he does are being pushed aside. Intially, it was a bit easier to give him a pass and say his way of thinking and what he does/says is a product of his environment and upbringing, which we know has made him a flawed person. Problem is, it's become next to impossible to continue to give him a pass or even feel sorry for him anymore. I no longer care that he grew up with AZ as a dad and was abused, forced into a life he may not have wanted and lost his mother as he did. My empathy with him in all that has gone out the window. I am guessing the writers wanted this. It makes the Jolu breakup a bit more easier to take if Johnny's the bad guy in the situation, and he is. Even in "coming clean" when he breaks up with Lulu, if it is that he'll tell Lulu he feels more for Maxie than he does in an attempt to seal his fate with her, he's again being a liar and hurting Lulu in the process yet again. It also makes it more conceivable for him to "slum it" with Maxie thereafter. It's kind of the thought behind why Sonny feels he belongs with someone like Claudia. I'm not sure if there will be grief sex between JoMax when they blow their relationships apart, but it would not surprise me. I am almost trying to prepare for it, so it will be a nice surprise if that does not happen.

My preference would have been for Lulu to find out the secrets being kept from her and walk away from Johnny...not for Johnny to give her the ammunition to get angry enough to say, "That's it! I'm outta here!" Seems like that's what's going to happen. My only hope is that he does suffer in the process. Maxie...well, she cannot suffer enough in the process for me. Losing Spin as her lap dog will be a good start.

I guess Tracy's going to play interference in the developing story of Luthan...and we're not even sure there's a future there, if Jolu should be toast. I would not mind her trying to convince Johnny that Ethan's moving on his former territory with Lulu. As we've said before, how he reacts once the break is done will tell a lot about a Jolu future. So will finding out who Ethan is...we're still stuck with not knowing if those supposed rewrites made him a Spencer or a Scorpio. A Spencer means no Luthan. Right now, as I have said before, I'm glad for him to serve as Lulu's port in the Jolu storm. He may get her to see what being in the relationship with Johnny has done to her. I think even Luke was trying to get her to see she has not been herself. That, I think, was behind him saying about how easily she was giving up with the whole poker game business the other day. Regardless of where we are with Jolu, I think it's pretty clear that Lulu's changed and not in the best of ways. She's lost that Spencer side. Her life has been Johnny for a long time now...making him happy, trying to "fix" him, trying to make up for his horrid past, trying to help him discover his direction (mob or not mob)...she's just gotten squashed in the process. She's done too much to try to make it work and never heeded the advice that sometimes you cannot make it better or cannot fix things. To Johnny, Lulu just became a "thing." Something he needed to protect, keep safe, keep away from the bad stuff, keep from losing her mind, etc. Now, she's a physical reminder of all his screw ups. He hates what he's done, so of course, he can hardly look at her or talk to her. That's the reason for the distancing. Maxie in his life amounts to nothing more than someone taking a drink or a drug for escapism. He doesn't have to think about all he's done when he's out on fake dates with Maxie. That's why I cannot envision a JoMax future at all. What's left after they do the deed, if they do? Not much!

Will be a pivotal week this week. Nice posting with everyone again!

Hey LS...

I loved your post! I for one can't wait til all this BS is out in the open and move this s/l along. I can't believe TIIC dragged this out as long as they did to the point where some of us are really hating on Johnny. As far as Maxie...never really liked her and I like he even less with Johnny.

I'm not really sure how I feel about a Jolu reconcilation anymore just because of the way he treated her for months and the crap he did with Maxie...IDK...maybe someday after some serious butt kissing on his part of course!

I am looking forward to some Ethan and Lulu right now, I think she needs to get herself back. Here lately she has been doing everything she can to make Johnny happy and to try and figure out why he is treating her so bad when she really has done nothing wrong, she has always supported him no matter what and somehow Johnny has lost sight of that fact. I can't even believed he looked her in the face and said "I've alway been honest with you", I wanted to jump through my TV that day.

Maxie begs for forgiveness (does NOT deserve it)
Alexis voices her concerns about Rebecca
Elizabeth helps with Emma more
Patrick wants Jason to stop helping Robin
Johnny jumps back into the mob
Spinelli proves he is no sap
Ethan and Lulu share close moment, which causes Tracy to panic

This drives me absolutely friggin nuts. People actually think Lulu deserves the JoHo situation as karma for Dillon. WTF? Lulu makes one bad move as a teen and the writers and fans can’t stop wanting her to pay, yet Maxie makes endless bad moves against endless characters and she never suffers so much as a hangnail.

Lulu paid for Dillon. She paid when she had a unwanted pregnancy. She paid when Maxie slept with Logan to make her feel little Georgie’s pain. She almost paid when gnat Maxie took Claudia’s deal about Johnny last year because Maxie took that deal for Georgie. Now Maxie is justified in cheating with Johnny and telling Lulu she’s paranoid because of Dillon. I don’t think so!!!!

Maxie bought Lucky drugs and destroyed Liz’s marriage. Liz has a ONS with Jason and pays with misery because it resulted in a child and that means no Jason for her. What was Maxie’s punishment for that? Nothing. Maxie broke Lulu’s heart with Logan. What was her punishment? A few people got mad but nothing happened to her. Maxie took Claudia’s deal to go after Johnny and Lulu wound up getting yelled at by Johnny for getting upset. What happened to Maxie? Spinelli forgave her for it. Maxie was going to hurt Lulu with the garage stunt. What happened? She gets rewarded with GJ and an exciting life. GJ is hurting Lulu and Maxie is having fun. What happened to Maxie? She gets to lord it over Lulu and tell Lulu she’s being paranoid.

Lulu is finally going to pay Maxie back for GJ with this Matt thing and what happens? Maxie daydreams about revenge like Lulu doesn’t owe her a truck load of it and she’ll most likely lord her conquest of Johnny over Lulu because Lulu hasn’t suffered enough. When is Maxie ever going to suffer big? She needs to be flattened by the writers. Not just losing Spinelli, but finding him in bed with Winnie who goes on to torment Maxie for weeks, rejected by Johnny as a pawn, losing her Crimson job and her apartment and seeing Lulu ride off with a rich powerful guy (please be Dante or a Cassadine Ethan) kind of flattened.

aerinha, it never ceases to amaze me that Lulu deserves everything she gets!

I can't wait for this break up and for Lulu to be done with Johnny! I want Lulu happy and having fun, Johnny can go help his sister it is after all what he does best!

A and JNL: I'm with you both on that Karma B.S. For tons of reasons.

1. Lulu messed up BIG TIME with the Georgie/Dillon thing. But she's owned up to it, paid for it with the pregnancy and Logan thing, got forgiven by GEORGIE, and grew up. Is Karma on an unending loop these days or something?

2. Why is it Maxie's job to dole out Karma to Lulu? Did Sarah come back and try to make Maxie's life miserable for what she did to Liz? Nope. Did Nikolas, Lucky, Carly, Jason, Spinelli, Milo, (all the people who care about Lulu) come back and try to make Maxie pay for what she did with Logan? Nope. In fact, anything bad that's happened to Maxie had nothing to do with Karma. They were direct results of her own bad choices.

3. Maxie is the biggest hypocrite when it comes to this. She blasts Lulu for doing the same thing she did. Oh, not exactly the same. Lulu used lies to get what she wanted. Maxie used drugs to get what she wanted.

Well…I’m sorry if I sound mean and vindictive, but I hope BOTH Maxie and Johnny get their karma in spades because they both deserve it.

I want Maxie to lose her job, her apt, Spin and Johnny!

I want Johnny to be sorry he did what he did to Lulu and suffer the consequences by her moving on with Ethan for a while. Yeah let him go help Claws because that IS what he knows best…too bad she doesn’t need him like he thinks she does and too bad he doesn’t know what she was willing to do to hurt him…the Maxie bet! I hope Spin tells him!

The 4/17 spoiler about Spixie is that Spinelli rejects Maxie’s “advances”. The only reasons I can see for her coming onto to him are if Johnny refuses her so she wants the reassurance or Spinelli has already said too bad so sad to her and she thinks seducing him will have him kissing her feet again. The first reason gives Johnny some credibility for future LuThan triangle potential (cause if he sleeps with the EOH and then complains Lulu is with Ethan that won’t be good) and the second means they do still plan to have JoHo hooking up.

Unfortunately I think Claudia’s $20,000 deal is a thing forgotten. I just want Maxie to pay more than losing Spinelli because that will just lead her to sleep with Johnny (a “win” over Lulu). Even if she has to chase Spinelli all summer it’s not much of a punishment and they haven’t said in what capacity she’s chasing him. Is it to get him to be her friend while Johnny is her b/f or is it to have Spinelli as her b/f? Because some of those rumors sound like she chases Spinelli while doing Johnny confusing the world’s stupidest mob prince because he apparently doesn’t know the woman willing to break Lulu’s heart twice and cheat on Spinelli isn’t faithful or trustworthy.