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Quote IceBlue: Interesting topic. I am new to the board and this topic caught my attention because I was one that wasn't big on the pairing of Jason and Liz to begin with. However, I wasn't capture with their first go around and didn't pay that much attention to them but this time around I have they are hooking me into their story. I am a bit flabberghasted because I feel because some of us veiwers that were not fans before or maybe just new to the show needed some of what the producers/writers are telling us. I really forgot about their past. Sorry but I am not a long term fan and in no way can recite this pairings history. For me I needed this little reminders. The story has captured me due to the story that is being unfolded which my take is that Jason and Liz can roadblocks in their path before. I know for me they did, and I find that the people in charge are addressing those barriers and helping me understand this couple. I have seen character growth and layers added to each character yet still handling the core of the character with respect. Liz is alot more enjoyable to watch now that she has that attitude back she did when she came onto the show, I often wondered if they forgot who she was. She was lost in the Lucky pairing, therefore the enjoyment of watching her became less. Jason my soap gods where do I start? This guy was complexed a very layered character yet with the past 4 years he was stale. He was in relationship that didn't warrant change in him, perhaps that is why the show paired him with those others. I was a skeptic of this couple however with the change and how the story is mirroring that of Jason and Liz of old, hand holding some of us to show there bond. I was often one that yearned for a good strong relationship on daytime, and now here comes one. If I was a fan for as long as some of you claim to be, I think I would be estatic that a story I waited so long to be told is being told, and try and understand that not everyone was a previous fan, I can see where the show wants to reel in more fans and address what seems to be old issues. They have reeled me in a bit. Good luck to those that at least try and see the positive in the story and sorry that the story might have been told at a slow pace in order to catch up folks like me. Welcome IceBlue. I am astounded and truly amazed by your post. Thank you—you have opened my eyes to yet another perspective. I think I've been stuck in the Liason bubble too long and fear I've become a delusional jizzer that I forget about those that watch their story from a completely objective view point can also see the building blocks that are being laid out for this couple. (I guess it's not all in my head) |
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I have read so many post regardinging the Liason, or lack of it, and it seems that most viewers have the same problem with Jason and Liz, being put on hold again. |
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Thank You for the warm welcome Canadiana. |
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Quote joe2811: Quote shelrick: I did not bring up the turmoil to say it was bad more to point out that less and less people are fighting against Liason and I thought it might be a sense of pride. But really I think I will keep to the Liason thread where I will look at things in all lights (positive and negative) and leave this thread for those you want to rant and only want to look at the negative because I am not feeling like anyone in here really wants to see any of the positive light. Shel you might be right, this is a thread where fans are feeling a negative vibe from Liason. I'm glad that Stormy started this because it feels good to find others that share my opinions. As for the Liason thread. That IS a really good place to discuss positive feelings for Liason, but certainly that is not a thread I have felt comfortable in discussing my displeasure with the way this couple has been written. It seems that some threads have posters that take an "ownership" to the thread and set the tone. I don't think that the Liason thread currently has a tone of acceptance of fans that are unhappy. On the reverse of that, Stormy has set a tone in this thread that fans who are displeased can come and discuss our feelings. So, now maybe fans can have both. When I'm feeling a little Liason love I will pop into the Liason thread and discuss all things beautiful with Liason, but on the days that I feel the writers are destroying this couple, I will be posting here enjoying the company of others who share that view point. Could there be room for both types of fans? Does that make one any less of a fan than the other? Nope, not at all. With the weekend here I wish ALL my fellow Liason fans happy Youtubing. Joe, great post! I agree with you that there is a need for both threads. When you are a fan of this couple who is not feeling all sunshine and roses for the way they are being written, or how the story is unfolding, sometimes you need a place to rant and that Liason lovers thread can be a hard one to post thoughts like that in. In times when I've done that I kind of feel like I'm bringing people down with my negativity and killing everyone else's happy buzz! So I love it that now there is a place to rant with others that are just as frustrated as I am! Thanks, Stormy, for creating this thread. I agree with EVERYTHING you said. And, boy, it's nice to find that there are others out there who feel like I do right now! Stormy, I think your points are valid about the writers systematically trashing everything we Liason lovers have loved about the couple. The Italy thing really bit my heinie and I cannot believe they set all that up just to burn it down 2 seconds later. It felt like a huge slap in the face. I don't remember if you were the one who asked what was next, burning down the studio? At this rate though I don't think it would surprise me if they did! |
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I forgot to add, welcome to the board, IceBlue! I enjoyed your post and found it very insightful. Thanks for the different perspective! See you around the MB! |
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Quote IceBlue: Thank You for the warm welcome Canadiana. I just needed some hand holding with this pairing and walking me down their path slowly. They are making sense to me now. They are really a good old fashion soap couple in the way that they don't come across as they would fit with one another but follow their story and they are looking to fit rather nicely. I was one of the viewers that insisted that Jason loved Liz because she had his child, I now understand that isn't the case. Jason is about Liz and protecting her. It is hard for me to know say he loves her because of Jake in the fact that Jason hasn't had the opportunity to build that bond with his son, the bond is with Liz. That is a some thing that I can wrap my head around and accept and is believable to the story. Sorry for some of us lagging viewers that need this. I like your posts IceBlue Welcome to the board!! |
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Quote IceBlue: Interesting topic. I am new to the board and this topic caught my attention because I was one that wasn't big on the pairing of Jason and Liz to begin with. I wasn't captured by their first go around and didn't pay that much attention to them but this time around I have to say they are hooking me into their story. I am a bit flabberghasted because I feel some of us veiwers that were not fans before or maybe just new to the show needed some of what the producers/writers are telling us. I really forgot about their past. Sorry but I am not a long term fan and in no way can recite this pairings history. For me I needed these little reminders. The story has now captured me due to the story that is being unfolded. My take is that Jason and Liz have had roadblocks in their path before. I know for me they did, and I find that the people in charge are addressing those barriers and helping me understand this couple. I have seen character growth and layers added to each character yet still handling the core of the character with respect. Liz is alot more enjoyable to watch now that she has that attitude back she did when she came onto the show, I often wondered if they forgot who she was. She was lost in the Lucky pairing, therefore the enjoyment of watching her became less. Jason my soap gods where do I start? This guy was complexed a very layered character yet with the past 4 years he was stale. He was in relationships that didn't warrant change in him, perhaps that is why the show paired him with those others ladies. I was a skeptic of this couple however with the change and how the story is mirroring that of Jason and Liz of old, hand holding some of us to show their bond. I was often one that yearned for a good strong relationship on daytime, and now here comes one. If I was a fan for as long as some of you claim to be, I think I would be estatic that a story I waited so long to be told is being told, and try and understand that not everyone was a previous fan, I can see where the show wants to reel in more fans and address what seems to be old issues. They have reeled me in a bit. Good luck to those that at least try and see the positive in the story and sorry that the story might have been told at a slow pace in order to catch up folks like me. What an awesome post and luv your avi Welcome. Looks like RB's eye. |
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Quote zaria: Quote joe2811: Quote shelrick: I did not bring up the turmoil to say it was bad more to point out that less and less people are fighting against Liason and I thought it might be a sense of pride. But really I think I will keep to the Liason thread where I will look at things in all lights (positive and negative) and leave this thread for those you want to rant and only want to look at the negative because I am not feeling like anyone in here really wants to see any of the positive light. Shel you might be right, this is a thread where fans are feeling a negative vibe from Liason. I'm glad that Stormy started this because it feels good to find others that share my opinions. As for the Liason thread. That IS a really good place to discuss positive feelings for Liason, but certainly that is not a thread I have felt comfortable in discussing my displeasure with the way this couple has been written. It seems that some threads have posters that take an "ownership" to the thread and set the tone. I don't think that the Liason thread currently has a tone of acceptance of fans that are unhappy. On the reverse of that, Stormy has set a tone in this thread that fans who are displeased can come and discuss our feelings. So, now maybe fans can have both. When I'm feeling a little Liason love I will pop into the Liason thread and discuss all things beautiful with Liason, but on the days that I feel the writers are destroying this couple, I will be posting here enjoying the company of others who share that view point. Could there be room for both types of fans? Does that make one any less of a fan than the other? Nope, not at all. With the weekend here I wish ALL my fellow Liason fans happy Youtubing. Joe, great post! I agree with you that there is a need for both threads. When you are a fan of this couple who is not feeling all sunshine and roses for the way they are being written, or how the story is unfolding, sometimes you need a place to rant and that Liason lovers thread can be a hard one to post thoughts like that in. In times when I've done that I kind of feel like I'm bringing people down with my negativity and killing everyone else's happy buzz! So I love it that now there is a place to rant with others that are just as frustrated as I am! Thanks, Stormy, for creating this thread. I agree with EVERYTHING you said. And, boy, it's nice to find that there are others out there who feel like I do right now! Stormy, I think your points are valid about the writers systematically trashing everything we Liason lovers have loved about the couple. The Italy thing really bit my heinie and I cannot believe they set all that up just to burn it down 2 seconds later. It felt like a huge slap in the face. I don't remember if you were the one who asked what was next, burning down the studio? At this rate though I don't think it would surprise me if they did! I stated some unpopular opinions and have been publicly flogged for it. Thank you so much to you who defended my right to make those opinions. Cause thats all they were, just opinions, and not even my opinions from day to day, cause I am totally in love with Liason and the Jason and Elizabeth characters. But I am a cynic by nature and when it comes to TPTB, I tend to be very cynical when it comes to their motives concerning this couple that we have been waiting for for 10 years. It has always bothered me when the writers make choices that make unlikely things a part of Liason history. For example, Liz sleeping with Zander or the torturous Journey/Liric years and lets not forget Jason covering up Courtney's hit and run of Liz. That one had me twisted in knots when it first aired, because the Jason that told Liz in her studio, that they were more than friends, just never would have done that. When Ric got shot and Liz screamed in Jason's face that she wish it had been him I was so angry at the writers. But now those unfortunate events are a part of Liason history and we have to make them fit in our heads as a part of their wonderful history together. My beef is firmly with the writers and their choices. Jason is not a b@stard, but the writers have made him walk a very thin line, where if they so decree it, he could well be displaying those actions. Steve B and Rebecca H have always done a great job with their portrayals of Jason and Liz. Their portrayals have always been multi-layered and subtly nuanced, to the point that everytime I watch it over and over, I see something I may have missed. If the writers would just totally embrace them as the supercouple that we already know they are, they could have a stratospheric lovestory. |
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Quote IceBlue: Interesting topic. I am new to the board and this topic caught my attention because I was one that wasn't big on the pairing of Jason and Liz to begin with. I wasn't captured by their first go around and didn't pay that much attention to them but this time around I have to say they are hooking me into their story. I am a bit flabberghasted because I feel some of us veiwers that were not fans before or maybe just new to the show needed some of what the producers/writers are telling us. I really forgot about their past. Sorry but I am not a long term fan and in no way can recite this pairings history. For me I needed these little reminders. The story has now captured me due to the story that is being unfolded. My take is that Jason and Liz have had roadblocks in their path before. I know for me they did, and I find that the people in charge are addressing those barriers and helping me understand this couple. I have seen character growth and layers added to each character yet still handling the core of the character with respect. Liz is alot more enjoyable to watch now that she has that attitude back she did when she came onto the show, I often wondered if they forgot who she was. She was lost in the Lucky pairing, therefore the enjoyment of watching her became less. Jason my soap gods where do I start? This guy was complexed a very layered character yet with the past 4 years he was stale. He was in relationships that didn't warrant change in him, perhaps that is why the show paired him with those others ladies. I was a skeptic of this couple however with the change and how the story is mirroring that of Jason and Liz of old, hand holding some of us to show their bond. I was often one that yearned for a good strong relationship on daytime, and now here comes one. If I was a fan for as long as some of you claim to be, I think I would be estatic that a story I waited so long to be told is being told, and try and understand that not everyone was a previous fan, I can see where the show wants to reel in more fans and address what seems to be old issues. They have reeled me in a bit. Good luck to those that at least try and see the positive in the story and sorry that the story might have been told at a slow pace in order to catch up folks like me. What a wonderful post... Welcome to the board!! I for one am actually enjoying the current s/l surrounding Jason & Elizabeth. We are seeing the road blocks, danger, fear that they always talked abt, now up close. What does that mean to me... if (and I am sure they will) Liason can tackle these blocks, they will be the strongest couple on daytime. So, I am letting the writers revisit their history and go over all their talks etc to show that Liason have come a full circle and yet still have the foundation laid out to move forward together. |
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Thank You everyone for the nice welcome onto the board. |
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Quote IceBlue: Thank You for the warm welcome Canadiana. Hi! I just needed some hand holding with this pairing and walking me down their path slowly. They are making sense to me now. They are really a good old fashion soap couple in the way that they don't come across as they would fit with one another but follow their story and they are looking to fit rather nicely. I was one of the viewers that insisted that Jason loved Liz because she had his child, I now understand that isn't the case. Jason is about Liz and protecting her. It is hard for me to know say he loves her because of Jake in the fact that Jason hasn't had the opportunity to build that bond with his son, the bond is with Liz. That is a some thing that I can wrap my head around and accept and is believable to the story. Sorry for some of us lagging viewers that need this. |
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IceBlue . . . Brilliant post - and welcome to the board. |
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Stormy you are right on point. I enjoyed reading your take on the tragic circumstances surrounding my favorite GH female character. I have always admired the character of Elizabeth because it was more realistic than all the others. Mother, working girl, and grounded. Emily and Georgie possessed some of the same qualities. Props! to Rebecca Herbst for her role as Elizabeth Webber Spencer. I keep hoping she will finally become Elizabeth Webber Morgan. |
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In my first post that started off this thread, I asked a question about Guza's reasons for bringing up Liason's dream of the trip to Italy and then making sure it wasn't gonna happen, then I asked what would he do next, burn down Liz's studio? |
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Quote stormy1000: In my first post that started off this thread, I asked a question about Guza's reasons for bringing up Liason's dream of the trip to Italy and then making sure it wasn't gonna happen, then I asked what would he do next, burn down Liz's studio? Then I read a spoiler that says that that very thing is going to happen. I know it could possibly be a fake spoiler, but it has me worried. Would Guza really go there? Would the GH writers really destroy the one thing in Liason's history that means so much to us Liason fans? And if they do, what does that mean about our couples future? I've missed this thread. Thanks for bringing it back, stormy. I heard that rumour too. It's probably just rumour since the Elizabeth character isn't front burner and having her studio explode would put too much focus on her and TIIC can't have that. (Sorry for my sarcasm, I'm a bit bitter today). I actually didn't take it as a bad thing b/c they could always rebuild it the way they did the MC hotel. I actually thought it would be a great way to bring Jason and Elizabeth together during sweeps. But since that's probably not going to happen, I have serious doubts about the studio being blown apart. |
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