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Is Liason being methodically destroyed?

Started by stormy1000 at 2008/10/02 12:02PM
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#31   2008/10/04 01:31AM
Re: Is Liason being methodically destroyed?
Canadiana
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Quote IceBlue: Interesting topic.

I am new to the board and this topic caught my attention because I was one that wasn't big on the pairing of Jason and Liz to begin with. However, I wasn't capture with their first go around and didn't pay that much attention to them but this time around I have they are hooking me into their story.

I am a bit flabberghasted because I feel because some of us veiwers that were not fans before or maybe just new to the show needed some of what the producers/writers are telling us. I really forgot about their past. Sorry but I am not a long term fan and in no way can recite this pairings history. For me I needed this little reminders.

The story has captured me due to the story that is being unfolded which my take is that Jason and Liz can roadblocks in their path before. I know for me they did, and I find that the people in charge are addressing those barriers and helping me understand this couple.

I have seen character growth and layers added to each character yet still handling the core of the character with respect.

Liz is alot more enjoyable to watch now that she has that attitude back she did when she came onto the show, I often wondered if they forgot who she was. She was lost in the Lucky pairing, therefore the enjoyment of watching her became less.

Jason my soap gods where do I start? This guy was complexed a very layered character yet with the past 4 years he was stale. He was in relationship that didn't warrant change in him, perhaps that is why the show paired him with those others.

I was a skeptic of this couple however with the change and how the story is mirroring that of Jason and Liz of old, hand holding some of us to show there bond. I was often one that yearned for a good strong relationship on daytime, and now here comes one.

If I was a fan for as long as some of you claim to be, I think I would be estatic that a story I waited so long to be told is being told, and try and understand that not everyone was a previous fan, I can see where the show wants to reel in more fans and address what seems to be old issues. They have reeled me in a bit.

Good luck to those that at least try and see the positive in the story and sorry that the story might have been told at a slow pace in order to catch up folks like me.


Welcome IceBlue. I am astounded and truly amazed by your post. Thank you—you have opened my eyes to yet another perspective. I think I've been stuck in the Liason bubble too long and fear I've become a delusional jizzer that I forget about those that watch their story from a completely objective view point can also see the building blocks that are being laid out for this couple. (I guess it's not all in my head)

#32   2008/10/04 01:47AM
Re: Is Liason being methodically destroyed?
Windy
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I have read so many post regardinging the Liason, or lack of it, and it seems that most viewers have the same problem with Jason and Liz, being put on hold again.
I am wondering if this new sweep that is going to start with a Funeral is going to be Jason's, since he has made it clear that he is unhappy with the storyline that he and Liz have been getting, and now yjay his contract is almost up, I can see that happening. Althought I have to admit that at first I thought it would be Audrey, than I thought since there has been an uproar over Laura it could be her. I guess it's a wait and see now. I do agree that Guza is fading them out as a couple, and I can't understand his way of thinking, and why thr GH fans are always disapointed.

#33   2008/10/04 01:55AM
Re: Is Liason being methodically destroyed?
IceBlue
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Thank You for the warm welcome Canadiana.

I just needed some hand holding with this pairing and walking me down their path slowly. They are making sense to me now. They are really a good old fashion soap couple in the way that they don't come across as they would fit with one another but follow their story and they are looking to fit rather nicely.

I was one of the viewers that insisted that Jason loved Liz because she had his child, I now understand that isn't the case. Jason is about Liz and protecting her. It is hard for me to know say he loves her because of Jake in the fact that Jason hasn't had the opportunity to build that bond with his son, the bond is with Liz. That is a some thing that I can wrap my head around and accept and is believable to the story.

Sorry for some of us lagging viewers that need this.

#34   2008/10/04 08:24AM
Re: Is Liason being methodically destroyed?
zaria
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Quote joe2811:
Quote shelrick:

I did not bring up the turmoil to say it was bad more to point out that less and less people are fighting against Liason and I thought it might be a sense of pride. But really I think I will keep to the Liason thread where I will look at things in all lights (positive and negative) and leave this thread for those you want to rant and only want to look at the negative because I am not feeling like anyone in here really wants to see any of the positive light.


Shel you might be right, this is a thread where fans are feeling a negative vibe from Liason. I'm glad that Stormy started this because it feels good to find others that share my opinions. As for the Liason thread. That IS a really good place to discuss positive feelings for Liason, but certainly that is not a thread I have felt comfortable in discussing my displeasure with the way this couple has been written. It seems that some threads have posters that take an "ownership" to the thread and set the tone. I don't think that the Liason thread currently has a tone of acceptance of fans that are unhappy. On the reverse of that, Stormy has set a tone in this thread that fans who are displeased can come and discuss our feelings.

So, now maybe fans can have both. When I'm feeling a little Liason love I will pop into the Liason thread and discuss all things beautiful with Liason, but on the days that I feel the writers are destroying this couple, I will be posting here enjoying the company of others who share that view point.

Could there be room for both types of fans? Does that make one any less of a fan than the other? Nope, not at all.

With the weekend here I wish ALL my fellow Liason fans happy Youtubing.


Joe, great post! I agree with you that there is a need for both threads. When you are a fan of this couple who is not feeling all sunshine and roses for the way they are being written, or how the story is unfolding, sometimes you need a place to rant and that Liason lovers thread can be a hard one to post thoughts like that in. In times when I've done that I kind of feel like I'm bringing people down with my negativity and killing everyone else's happy buzz! So I love it that now there is a place to rant with others that are just as frustrated as I am!

Thanks, Stormy, for creating this thread. I agree with EVERYTHING you said. And, boy, it's nice to find that there are others out there who feel like I do right now!

Stormy, I think your points are valid about the writers systematically trashing everything we Liason lovers have loved about the couple. The Italy thing really bit my heinie and I cannot believe they set all that up just to burn it down 2 seconds later. It felt like a huge slap in the face. I don't remember if you were the one who asked what was next, burning down the studio? At this rate though I don't think it would surprise me if they did!

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#35   2008/10/04 08:32AM
Re: Is Liason being methodically destroyed?
zaria
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I forgot to add, welcome to the board, IceBlue! I enjoyed your post and found it very insightful. Thanks for the different perspective! See you around the MB!

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#36   2008/10/04 08:38AM
Re: Is Liason being methodically destroyed?
Vanrainmom
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Quote IceBlue: Thank You for the warm welcome Canadiana.

I just needed some hand holding with this pairing and walking me down their path slowly. They are making sense to me now. They are really a good old fashion soap couple in the way that they don't come across as they would fit with one another but follow their story and they are looking to fit rather nicely.

I was one of the viewers that insisted that Jason loved Liz because she had his child, I now understand that isn't the case. Jason is about Liz and protecting her. It is hard for me to know say he loves her because of Jake in the fact that Jason hasn't had the opportunity to build that bond with his son, the bond is with Liz. That is a some thing that I can wrap my head around and accept and is believable to the story.

Sorry for some of us lagging viewers that need this.


I like your posts IceBlue
Welcome to the board!!

#37   2008/10/04 08:44AM
Re: Is Liason being methodically destroyed?
dimples2010
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Quote IceBlue: Interesting topic.

I am new to the board and this topic caught my attention because I was one that wasn't big on the pairing of Jason and Liz to begin with. I wasn't captured by their first go around and didn't pay that much attention to them but this time around I have to say they are hooking me into their story.

I am a bit flabberghasted because I feel some of us veiwers that were not fans before or maybe just new to the show needed some of what the producers/writers are telling us. I really forgot about their past. Sorry but I am not a long term fan and in no way can recite this pairings history. For me I needed these little reminders.

The story has now captured me due to the story that is being unfolded. My take is that Jason and Liz have had roadblocks in their path before. I know for me they did, and I find that the people in charge are addressing those barriers and helping me understand this couple.

I have seen character growth and layers added to each character yet still handling the core of the character with respect.

Liz is alot more enjoyable to watch now that she has that attitude back she did when she came onto the show, I often wondered if they forgot who she was. She was lost in the Lucky pairing, therefore the enjoyment of watching her became less.

Jason my soap gods where do I start? This guy was complexed a very layered character yet with the past 4 years he was stale. He was in relationships that didn't warrant change in him, perhaps that is why the show paired him with those others ladies.

I was a skeptic of this couple however with the change and how the story is mirroring that of Jason and Liz of old, hand holding some of us to show their bond. I was often one that yearned for a good strong relationship on daytime, and now here comes one.

If I was a fan for as long as some of you claim to be, I think I would be estatic that a story I waited so long to be told is being told, and try and understand that not everyone was a previous fan, I can see where the show wants to reel in more fans and address what seems to be old issues. They have reeled me in a bit.

Good luck to those that at least try and see the positive in the story and sorry that the story might have been told at a slow pace in order to catch up folks like me.




What an awesome post and luv your avi Welcome. Looks like RB's eye.

#38   2008/10/04 09:16AM
Re: Is Liason being methodically destroyed?
stormy1000
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Quote zaria:
Quote joe2811:
Quote shelrick:

I did not bring up the turmoil to say it was bad more to point out that less and less people are fighting against Liason and I thought it might be a sense of pride. But really I think I will keep to the Liason thread where I will look at things in all lights (positive and negative) and leave this thread for those you want to rant and only want to look at the negative because I am not feeling like anyone in here really wants to see any of the positive light.


Shel you might be right, this is a thread where fans are feeling a negative vibe from Liason. I'm glad that Stormy started this because it feels good to find others that share my opinions. As for the Liason thread. That IS a really good place to discuss positive feelings for Liason, but certainly that is not a thread I have felt comfortable in discussing my displeasure with the way this couple has been written. It seems that some threads have posters that take an "ownership" to the thread and set the tone. I don't think that the Liason thread currently has a tone of acceptance of fans that are unhappy. On the reverse of that, Stormy has set a tone in this thread that fans who are displeased can come and discuss our feelings.

So, now maybe fans can have both. When I'm feeling a little Liason love I will pop into the Liason thread and discuss all things beautiful with Liason, but on the days that I feel the writers are destroying this couple, I will be posting here enjoying the company of others who share that view point.

Could there be room for both types of fans? Does that make one any less of a fan than the other? Nope, not at all.

With the weekend here I wish ALL my fellow Liason fans happy Youtubing.


Joe, great post! I agree with you that there is a need for both threads. When you are a fan of this couple who is not feeling all sunshine and roses for the way they are being written, or how the story is unfolding, sometimes you need a place to rant and that Liason lovers thread can be a hard one to post thoughts like that in. In times when I've done that I kind of feel like I'm bringing people down with my negativity and killing everyone else's happy buzz! So I love it that now there is a place to rant with others that are just as frustrated as I am!

Thanks, Stormy, for creating this thread. I agree with EVERYTHING you said. And, boy, it's nice to find that there are others out there who feel like I do right now!

Stormy, I think your points are valid about the writers systematically trashing everything we Liason lovers have loved about the couple. The Italy thing really bit my heinie and I cannot believe they set all that up just to burn it down 2 seconds later. It felt like a huge slap in the face. I don't remember if you were the one who asked what was next, burning down the studio? At this rate though I don't think it would surprise me if they did!


I stated some unpopular opinions and have been publicly flogged for it.

Thank you so much to you who defended my right to make those opinions.

Cause thats all they were, just opinions, and not even my opinions from day to day, cause I am totally in love with Liason and the Jason and Elizabeth characters.

But I am a cynic by nature and when it comes to TPTB, I tend to be very cynical when it comes to their motives concerning this couple that we have been waiting for for 10 years.

It has always bothered me when the writers make choices that make unlikely things a part of Liason history.

For example, Liz sleeping with Zander or the torturous Journey/Liric years and lets not forget Jason covering up Courtney's hit and run of Liz. That one had me twisted in knots when it first aired, because the Jason that told Liz in her studio, that they were more than friends, just never would have done that.

When Ric got shot and Liz screamed in Jason's face that she wish it had been him I was so angry at the writers.

But now those unfortunate events are a part of Liason history and we have to make them fit in our heads as a part of their wonderful history together.

My beef is firmly with the writers and their choices. Jason is not a b@stard, but the writers have made him walk a very thin line, where if they so decree it, he could well be displaying those actions.

Steve B and Rebecca H have always done a great job with their portrayals of Jason and Liz. Their portrayals have always been multi-layered and subtly nuanced, to the point that everytime I watch it over and over, I see something I may have missed.

If the writers would just totally embrace them as the supercouple that we already know they are, they could have a stratospheric lovestory.

#39   2008/10/04 10:52AM
Re: Is Liason being methodically destroyed?
esprit
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Quote IceBlue: Interesting topic.

I am new to the board and this topic caught my attention because I was one that wasn't big on the pairing of Jason and Liz to begin with. I wasn't captured by their first go around and didn't pay that much attention to them but this time around I have to say they are hooking me into their story.

I am a bit flabberghasted because I feel some of us veiwers that were not fans before or maybe just new to the show needed some of what the producers/writers are telling us. I really forgot about their past. Sorry but I am not a long term fan and in no way can recite this pairings history. For me I needed these little reminders.

The story has now captured me due to the story that is being unfolded. My take is that Jason and Liz have had roadblocks in their path before. I know for me they did, and I find that the people in charge are addressing those barriers and helping me understand this couple.

I have seen character growth and layers added to each character yet still handling the core of the character with respect.

Liz is alot more enjoyable to watch now that she has that attitude back she did when she came onto the show, I often wondered if they forgot who she was. She was lost in the Lucky pairing, therefore the enjoyment of watching her became less.

Jason my soap gods where do I start? This guy was complexed a very layered character yet with the past 4 years he was stale. He was in relationships that didn't warrant change in him, perhaps that is why the show paired him with those others ladies.

I was a skeptic of this couple however with the change and how the story is mirroring that of Jason and Liz of old, hand holding some of us to show their bond. I was often one that yearned for a good strong relationship on daytime, and now here comes one.

If I was a fan for as long as some of you claim to be, I think I would be estatic that a story I waited so long to be told is being told, and try and understand that not everyone was a previous fan, I can see where the show wants to reel in more fans and address what seems to be old issues. They have reeled me in a bit.

Good luck to those that at least try and see the positive in the story and sorry that the story might have been told at a slow pace in order to catch up folks like me.


What a wonderful post... Welcome to the board!!
I for one am actually enjoying the current s/l surrounding Jason & Elizabeth. We are seeing the road blocks, danger, fear that they always talked abt, now up close. What does that mean to me... if (and I am sure they will) Liason can tackle these blocks, they will be the strongest couple on daytime. So, I am letting the writers revisit their history and go over all their talks etc to show that Liason have come a full circle and yet still have the foundation laid out to move forward together.

#40   2008/10/04 01:42PM
Re: Is Liason being methodically destroyed?
IceBlue
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Thank You everyone for the nice welcome onto the board.

After reading some of the responses, I am a bit confused with a post that feels the poster was flogged for voicing what she/he thinks is an unpopular opinion.

I didn't find that to be the case at all, I think this topic may have brought on some strongs points of views from both standpoints, but it seems that a good half of the responses in here are somehow outraged for the story that is being told to the point where some feel characters have been given the short stick of things. There is the different group that while almost everyone has agreed that the story is somewhat drawn out and understands the frustration the the Jason and Liz fan's may feel, they just don't agree that character's are made to look bad or see the sky is falling for couple in general. Each side of the coin has made some interesting points.

For me, once again as an outsider the people giving us the Jaosn and Liz story now are painstakingly(I am sure for the fanbases long time followers) addressing issues that I know I have had with this pairing. Some of it had to do with just not remembering alot of their stuff from years ago.

My question is that while I understand that some have waited what I am hearing 9 years (correct me if I am wrong) what about those viewers that have no idea what their history was or is, do we not deserve a good story to prehaps help us understand this coupling better?

Let's be honest here for a moment both of these characters came out of some fairly fan favorite pairings (Jason&Sam and Lucky&Liz), I would think that those fanbases were fairly upset with the desolution of those relationships, so the show took a step back and took time to re~introduce Jason and Liz. That is what I got out of it anyway.

Rebuilding Jason and Liz was a necessity for some. However Jason and Liz have stood on the perverbial soap box of wanting to protect their son, so when both of their previous relationships had ended is that when the Jason and Liz fanbase wanted them to get together because let me tell you I would have been throwing out my bull pucky flag.

Again having the story in the manner in which you see the inner turmoil of how they both feel for one another is quite extraordinary at least for a daytime soap. Their connection seems to run very deep and has proven to be just as strong. I am sure most of you can just reference back to their previous interactions and history but what about those of us that don't have the compass to go by, I guess we don't count.

As a fan of the show overall, I think this story has added so much to each character in a positive way, yet keeping the reason for why they chose to handle things the way they did honest(to their reasoning) and not just because they each felt at the time they couldn't have the other one. All the while addressing some very major issues that were had with them as a couple.

This couple from the sounds of their own fanbase had their ups and downs and when I think back I agree. However the show has shown that despite those downs and hurt Jason and Liz still had overall trust in the other person. Isn't that how life goes at times? We love who we love, love doesn't always fit one logic but that is what makes it special, but we should be honest about who holds our heart especially when the way you feel could effect unsuspecting bystanders.

What I am saying that for a lovestory that is made up in a soap world this is fairly good, and has lured in some "new" fans along the way, for a growing fanbase it should only add some positivity.

Lovestories are that of roadblocks and how the couple overcomes each one together. Built on disappointment and happiness, but this is a soap and there will be alot of disappointment, that I am sure you can bet on.

#41   2008/10/04 02:11PM
Re: Is Liason being methodically destroyed?
lady red
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Quote IceBlue: Thank You for the warm welcome Canadiana.

I just needed some hand holding with this pairing and walking me down their path slowly. They are making sense to me now. They are really a good old fashion soap couple in the way that they don't come across as they would fit with one another but follow their story and they are looking to fit rather nicely.

I was one of the viewers that insisted that Jason loved Liz because she had his child, I now understand that isn't the case. Jason is about Liz and protecting her. It is hard for me to know say he loves her because of Jake in the fact that Jason hasn't had the opportunity to build that bond with his son, the bond is with Liz. That is a some thing that I can wrap my head around and accept and is believable to the story.

Sorry for some of us lagging viewers that need this.
Hi! Welcome to the mb...great post!

#42   2008/10/04 02:58PM
Re: Is Liason being methodically destroyed?
wren033
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IceBlue . . . Brilliant post - and welcome to the board.

This has been an interesting dialogue.

I'm a long-time Jason and Elizabeth fan. Someone who has been waiting for 9 long years.

This is the closest we've EVER been to them being a couple. The last 2 years have been incredible. We've seen so much growth, change and connection and they CONTINUE to draw closer.

Are they being methodically destroyed? If this is destruction, I'm all for it. LOL

Is there frustration? Of course. But I think this story has been delicious. DELICIOUS, I say. Carly interrupts Jason & Elizabeth making out in Jason's room at the penthouse. Elizabeth wants to leave and Jason openly says, "Stay." In front of witnesses. Jason is propelling Elizabeth around the hospital to Kate's room. Elizabeth is boldly walking into his office and not leaving when asked.

Hello! That's progress. That's growth. This is a couple that simply can't be denied.

The trip to Italy. Thank you writers for reaching back into history and giving us loyal fans such an incredible nod. What an acknowledgement! So, when they FINALLY do go to Italy, it will be even more moving.

I simply can't give up on this couple when they are so stinking close to finally being a family.

Don't blink or lose hope. Don't miss the magic of Jason and Elizabeth that is unfolding before us. They are so worth it. This is an incredible love story and I'm captivated.

#43   2008/10/04 03:16PM
Re: Is Liason being methodically destroyed?
jlsilkysmooth
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Stormy you are right on point. I enjoyed reading your take on the tragic circumstances surrounding my favorite GH female character. I have always admired the character of Elizabeth because it was more realistic than all the others. Mother, working girl, and grounded. Emily and Georgie possessed some of the same qualities. Props! to Rebecca Herbst for her role as Elizabeth Webber Spencer. I keep hoping she will finally become Elizabeth Webber Morgan.

#44   2008/10/21 09:00AM
Re: Is Liason being methodically destroyed?
stormy1000
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In my first post that started off this thread, I asked a question about Guza's reasons for bringing up Liason's dream of the trip to Italy and then making sure it wasn't gonna happen, then I asked what would he do next, burn down Liz's studio?

Now I read a spoiler that says that that very thing is going to happen.

I know it could possibly be a fake spoiler, but it has me worried. Would Guza really go there?

Would the GH writers really destroy the one thing in Liason's history that means so much to us Liason fans?

And if they do, what does that mean about our couples future?

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#45   2008/10/21 09:06AM
Re: Is Liason being methodically destroyed?
Canadiana
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Quote stormy1000: In my first post that started off this thread, I asked a question about Guza's reasons for bringing up Liason's dream of the trip to Italy and then making sure it wasn't gonna happen, then I asked what would he do next, burn down Liz's studio?

Then I read a spoiler that says that that very thing is going to happen.

I know it could possibly be a fake spoiler, but it has me worried. Would Guza really go there?

Would the GH writers really destroy the one thing in Liason's history that means so much to us Liason fans?

And if they do, what does that mean about our couples future?


I've missed this thread. Thanks for bringing it back, stormy. I heard that rumour too. It's probably just rumour since the Elizabeth character isn't front burner and having her studio explode would put too much focus on her and TIIC can't have that. (Sorry for my sarcasm, I'm a bit bitter today).

I actually didn't take it as a bad thing b/c they could always rebuild it the way they did the MC hotel. I actually thought it would be a great way to bring Jason and Elizabeth together during sweeps. But since that's probably not going to happen, I have serious doubts about the studio being blown apart.

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