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Tracy is a B!tch!

Started by johnnyhearsLulu at 2008/09/29 01:45PM
Latest post: 2008/09/30 12:58PM, Views: 629, Replies: 68
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#31   2008/09/29 07:59PM
Re: Tracy is a B!tch!
meowbowow
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Quote Charlchris48

I think Johnny has done a great job of keeping Lulu safe up to this point. Don't forget even after being mentally unstable, Lulu took Logan down! Not once but twice! Even Maxie couldn't handle Logan cuz he got the best of her and took her down. If it wasn't for Lulu's walk out in the balcony, Logan would have succeeded in getting her. Maybe Lulu needs to be protecting Johnny! Even at her mentally lowest, she still kicks a$$! BTW, it still isn't any wiser for Liz to be with Jason then Lulu being with Johnny. Sorry but Jason didn't keep Michael safe. Sorry to bring that up. What makes you so sure it can't happen to Cake!


How did he keep her safe when it was him who convinced her to cover it up? That's why she is in SB in the first place. Michael's shooting wasn't Jason's fault. It was Sonny's by taking the guards off him, Claudia for ordering the hit, and Devlin for shooting where there was a child around. Anything could happen to Cake but we don't know how they r going to write Liason yet as it hasn't happened.

#32   2008/09/29 08:01PM
Re: Tracy is a B!tch!
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Quote cardinalgirl:
Quote BNH444: It may just be me but I would of reacted the same way Lulu did at the wedding. I mean she just did kill a guy and she was locked up in SB for weeks...then the first thing she sees when she gets out is Kate getting shot, come on! Her reaction was totally normal. Heck I would of been freaking out minus the whole Logan and SB thing, it isn't everyday that your boss gets shot at her wedding.

So for Lulu being fresh out of SB a few hours before...I think she handled herself mighty mighty well.


ITA BNH! Same here...I would have been a basket case and it would have taken me a LOT longer to calm down than it did her. Excellent point my friend!


Why thank you my friend
I'm ready for happy Jolu again...then we can party like it is 1978

#33   2008/09/29 08:03PM
Re: Tracy is a B!tch!
meowbowow
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Quote cardinalgirl

LOL! I know my twin is very special. And like most sisters, we tend to disagree alot (especially about Johnny and Lulu) but I luv her to pieces and will defend her to my death I tell you!

Johnny can't control who his family is, but he has always been trying to do his best to keep Lulu safe. Of course it doesn't always work...but neither does it in real life.

Besides, with a Cassadine as a brother, a father that has been involved in danger in one form or another his entire life (and thus, by association, so has his family which INCLUDES Lulu), it's not like danger and trouble is a new experiance for her.


I know u luv yr twin, I have seen it around the board and that's cool!!

Luke keeps his life away from LuLu and Nik doesn't have any danger that has anything to do w/her. When has it ever happened that LuLu has been in danger due to Luke? None that I can remember. She hasn't been kidnapped or anything b/c of his associations. Nik's life is nowhere dangerous, only when Granny is around and that's been some time now so u really can't compare the two IMO.

#34   2008/09/29 08:03PM
Re: Tracy is a B!tch!
cardinalgirl
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Quote BNH444:
Quote cardinalgirl:
Quote BNH444: It may just be me but I would of reacted the same way Lulu did at the wedding. I mean she just did kill a guy and she was locked up in SB for weeks...then the first thing she sees when she gets out is Kate getting shot, come on! Her reaction was totally normal. Heck I would of been freaking out minus the whole Logan and SB thing, it isn't everyday that your boss gets shot at her wedding.

So for Lulu being fresh out of SB a few hours before...I think she handled herself mighty mighty well.


ITA BNH! Same here...I would have been a basket case and it would have taken me a LOT longer to calm down than it did her. Excellent point my friend!


Why thank you my friend
I'm ready for happy Jolu again...then we can party like it is 1978



LOL! I'll bring the party favors and the hats!

#35   2008/09/29 08:12PM
Re: Tracy is a B!tch!
cardinalgirl
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Quote meowbowow:
Quote cardinalgirl

LOL! I know my twin is very special. And like most sisters, we tend to disagree alot (especially about Johnny and Lulu) but I luv her to pieces and will defend her to my death I tell you!

Johnny can't control who his family is, but he has always been trying to do his best to keep Lulu safe. Of course it doesn't always work...but neither does it in real life.

Besides, with a Cassadine as a brother, a father that has been involved in danger in one form or another his entire life (and thus, by association, so has his family which INCLUDES Lulu), it's not like danger and trouble is a new experiance for her.


I know u luv yr twin, I have seen it around the board and that's cool!!

Luke keeps his life away from LuLu and Nik doesn't have any danger that has anything to do w/her. When has it ever happened that LuLu has been in danger due to Luke? None that I can remember. She hasn't been kidnapped or anything b/c of his associations. Nik's life is nowhere dangerous, only when Granny is around and that's been some time now so u really can't compare the two IMO.


Well, the first thing that comes to my Mind Meow is the story that Laura told Lulu about when she was a little girl...which also hints as a constant danger that the whole family was subjected to. And as far as I know, Lulu hasn't been in any direct danger (at least yet) or kidnapped b/c of Johnny's associations either. Is the danger there for that to happen? Sure, but the same is true of Luke's associations too.

You mentioned that Luke has "kept his life" away from Lulu. Well if he really has...and it's just not by pure luck, then that means it can be done. So Johnny "could" possibly do it too.

Bottom line IMO is that Lulu is an adult(Twenty something), is aware of the danger, and has the fundamental right to make that decision for herself, just as Laura did, just as Robin did, just as Carly did, just as Liz did. All grown women making their OWN choices.

#36   2008/09/29 08:22PM
Re: Tracy is a B!tch!
meowbowow
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Quote cardinalgirl

Well, the first thing that comes to my Mind Meow is the story that Laura told Lulu about when she was a little girl...which also hints as a constant danger that the whole family was subjected to. And as far as I know, Lulu hasn't been in any direct danger (at least yet) or kidnapped b/c of Johnny's associations either. Is the danger there for that to happen? Sure, but the same is true of Luke's associations too.

You mentioned that Luke has "kept his life" away from Lulu. Well if he really has...and it's just not by pure luck, then that means it can be done. So Johnny "could" possibly do it too.

Bottom line IMO is that Lulu is an adult(Twenty something), is aware of the danger, and has the fundamental right to make that decision for herself, just as Laura did, just as Robin did, just as Carly did, just as Liz did. All grown women making their OWN choices.


But look where her choice got her, locked up in SB b/c Johnny covered up the accident and LuLu couldn't handle that. The only other person that ever ended up in SB was Carly, none of the others did. I don't remember if Carly was in SB b/c of Sonny's lifestyle but she was in that other place b/c of him, can't remember the name of the sanitarium. Maybe it's a Spencer thing?? SB I mean.

#37   2008/09/29 08:23PM
Re: Tracy is a B!tch!
BNH444
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Quote cardinalgirl:
Quote meowbowow:
Quote cardinalgirl

LOL! I know my twin is very special. And like most sisters, we tend to disagree alot (especially about Johnny and Lulu) but I luv her to pieces and will defend her to my death I tell you!

Johnny can't control who his family is, but he has always been trying to do his best to keep Lulu safe. Of course it doesn't always work...but neither does it in real life.

Besides, with a Cassadine as a brother, a father that has been involved in danger in one form or another his entire life (and thus, by association, so has his family which INCLUDES Lulu), it's not like danger and trouble is a new experiance for her.


I know u luv yr twin, I have seen it around the board and that's cool!!

Luke keeps his life away from LuLu and Nik doesn't have any danger that has anything to do w/her. When has it ever happened that LuLu has been in danger due to Luke? None that I can remember. She hasn't been kidnapped or anything b/c of his associations. Nik's life is nowhere dangerous, only when Granny is around and that's been some time now so u really can't compare the two IMO.


Well, the first thing that comes to my Mind Meow is the story that Laura told Lulu about when she was a little girl...which also hints as a constant danger that the whole family was subjected to. And as far as I know, Lulu hasn't been in any direct danger (at least yet) or kidnapped b/c of Johnny's associations either. Is the danger there for that to happen? Sure, but the same is true of Luke's associations too.

You mentioned that Luke has "kept his life" away from Lulu. Well if he really has...and it's just not by pure luck, then that means it can be done. So Johnny "could" possibly do it too.

Bottom line IMO is that Lulu is an adult(Twenty something), is aware of the danger, and has the fundamental right to make that decision for herself, just as Laura did, just as Robin did, just as Carly did, just as Liz did. All grown women making their OWN choices.


WoooHooo CG, great post.

I'll bring the margaritas so we can take that trip back to margaritaville.

#38   2008/09/29 11:16PM
Re: Tracy is a B!tch!
Wishing4Liason
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I actually thought what Tracy did was GREAT...I mean was it necessary to go that far....Perhaps...I mean in all honesty she loves Lulu and is aware that Lulu needs help and she isn't going to be able to help Lulu unless she gets Johnny to see the magnitude of what they could be in for!!

Tracy hit Johnny was a cold dose of reality, something that Lulu herself doesn't and won't really even deal with...all Lulu wants at this point is out of the place...and is really running from her problems and putting all her engery and pinning everything on Johnny....Talk about a HUGE weight for him to carry...I would just like to see Lulu acknowledge to Lainey everything that she has been thru this past month or so...I am not saying that Johnny and Lulu need to break up but Lulu does need time to allow herself to recieve help and not place that burden on someone that isn't qualified to help her!!

#39   2008/09/30 12:38AM
Re: Tracy is a B!tch!
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First, no one has ever accused Tracy of being soft, subtle or diplomatic. So, this scene should not have been a surprise. B!itch is a word that Tracy has heard many times before. (She's actually less a b!tch now than at any time in her history.)

Does Tracy love Lulu? IMO, she does as much as Tracy can let herself love anyone. And somebow I don't think it has much to do with Luke anymore. I think Lulu's earlier escapades reminded Tracy a little of herself and she's grudgingly come to care about her.

OK, the comments about Laura were harsh. And Johnny called her out for speaking them aloud in front of Laura. I have no problem with the point Tracy was trying to make or his calling her out about the way she did it. It was a realistic scene and in form for both characters.

Maybe Tracy will treat Lulu like an adult when Lulu starts acting like one. Maybe she's not hotwiring the Bently, stealing from Tracy's bank account, skipping school, or genearlly sucking up resources without giving anything back right now, but she's not showing any maturity or responsibility. She wouldn't even have a decent job if Carly hadn't manipulated her into one. She keeps stamping her foot and proclaiming she is an adult, but she certainly hasn't done anything to prove it. She reminds me of a love-sick teenager who's convinced she's Princess Me. It's a shame because JMB is a good actress and this character should have had so much more promise.

#40   2008/09/30 06:44AM
Re: Tracy is a B!tch!
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I deal with a loved one who has a mental illness everyday, and it is so tiring. I actually appluade Tracy for doing what needs to get done. Honestly even if Tracy knew the truth about Lulu and the killing, Lulu still needs help and right now Johnny cannot be a part of it. Johnny should know better after watching his father go all nuts...Johnny needs to listen to the doctoirs, who yes know what is best for lulu as they can see her with unbiased eyes.

For me if another loved one of mine started showing sysmtoms of mental illness I would do everything in my power to gert them help...and if it meant they would hate me then so be it because at least i am being unselfish enough to get them the help they need. I think Johnny is being very selfish and if he truly loved Lulu he will stay away until the doictors give her the all clear to see him.

#41   2008/09/30 07:42AM
Re: Tracy is a B!tch!
aerinha
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Quote meowbowow:
Quote jolu4eva: you know i didnt think tracy was that bad today, shes been worse.. i like how johnny sees through her though like when he said are you trying to scare me... the only thing is i dont get why ppl r letting him do it to him, nobody knows the truth... but on the other hand he knows the truth and hes worried but he doesnt know that lulu is actually sane and the things ppl tell him shes imagining r real.. tracy had no right but she could have been much worse..


But Laura wasn't real, LuLu imagined her.



Um we all saw Laura move when Lulu wasn't with her so Laura was real she just relapsed at a bad time.

#42   2008/09/30 08:37AM
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Quote McLovinSam: I deal with a loved one who has a mental illness everyday, and it is so tiring. I actually appluade Tracy for doing what needs to get done. Honestly even if Tracy knew the truth about Lulu and the killing, Lulu still needs help and right now Johnny cannot be a part of it. Johnny should know better after watching his father go all nuts...Johnny needs to listen to the doctoirs, who yes know what is best for lulu as they can see her with unbiased eyes.

For me if another loved one of mine started showing sysmtoms of mental illness I would do everything in my power to gert them help...and if it meant they would hate me then so be it because at least i am being unselfish enough to get them the help they need. I think Johnny is being very selfish and if he truly loved Lulu he will stay away until the doictors give her the all clear to see him.

Great post!

#43   2008/09/30 08:41AM
Re: Tracy is a B!tch!
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Quote McLovinSam: I deal with a loved one who has a mental illness everyday, and it is so tiring. I actually appluade Tracy for doing what needs to get done. Honestly even if Tracy knew the truth about Lulu and the killing, Lulu still needs help and right now Johnny cannot be a part of it. Johnny should know better after watching his father go all nuts...Johnny needs to listen to the doctoirs, who yes know what is best for lulu as they can see her with unbiased eyes.

For me if another loved one of mine started showing sysmtoms of mental illness I would do everything in my power to gert them help...and if it meant they would hate me then so be it because at least i am being unselfish enough to get them the help they need. I think Johnny is being very selfish and if he truly loved Lulu he will stay away until the doictors give her the all clear to see him.


I totally agree.

#44   2008/09/30 11:22AM
Re: Tracy is a B!tch!
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Quote cherrycola: First, no one has ever accused Tracy of being soft, subtle or diplomatic. So, this scene should not have been a surprise. B!itch is a word that Tracy has heard many times before. (She's actually less a b!tch now than at any time in her history.)

Does Tracy love Lulu? IMO, she does as much as Tracy can let herself love anyone. And somebow I don't think it has much to do with Luke anymore. I think Lulu's earlier escapades reminded Tracy a little of herself and she's grudgingly come to care about her.

OK, the comments about Laura were harsh. And Johnny called her out for speaking them aloud in front of Laura. I have no problem with the point Tracy was trying to make or his calling her out about the way she did it. It was a realistic scene and in form for both characters.

Maybe Tracy will treat Lulu like an adult when Lulu starts acting like one. Maybe she's not hotwiring the Bently, stealing from Tracy's bank account, skipping school, or genearlly sucking up resources without giving anything back right now, but she's not showing any maturity or responsibility. She wouldn't even have a decent job if Carly hadn't manipulated her into one. She keeps stamping her foot and proclaiming she is an adult, but she certainly hasn't done anything to prove it. She reminds me of a love-sick teenager who's convinced she's Princess Me. It's a shame because JMB is a good actress and this character should have had so much more promise.


EXACTLY!

I agree with what someone else posted about Tracy hitting Johnny with a cold dose of reality. She didn't sugar coat, nor did she get overly dramatic. The harshest thing she said was the bit about Laura being the "living dead." It wasn't a put-down, it wasn't a dig, and it wasn't meant to hurt Lulu or Laura. It was the TRUTH and even Luke would be the first to agree - Laura would too. It's an accurate description of Laura's life due to the psycho-motor disassociation. PERIOD.

Johnny doesn't know Laura, nor had he (IIRC) ever seen her face-to-face before, so just HEARING about someone sitting in a chair staring blankly at the wall doesn't have the same effect that SEEING it does.

No, Johnny is not to blame for being born to a mobster life - he had no say in the matter and that is sad, but it is what it is and he KNOWS that. He knows how his father is and the way things work in mobular world. He also knows (down deep somewhere past where his denial lives) that Lulu is not equipped to live the mob life. And even HE would not deny that everything Lainey pointed out to Lulu was the cold, hard truth... Her life has been one ordeal after another ever since she met Johnny. It's not intentional on his part, I do believe he loves her, but he doesn't know how to live in her world anymore than she knows how to live in his. His way of "fixing" things for her only serves to make things worse - not because he plans it that way, or wants to - but because he doesn't know any other way.

Yes, Lulu is a "legal adult" but she's not an emotional adult. AND she's an unstable (emotionally) adult who can't make decisions based on reason or common sense because of that instability.

So what if Tracy doesn't know WHAT first caused Lulu to spiral into madness (her killing Logan) - the point is... she DID and Tracy (as well as a few others) saw it coming a mile away. Now all she cares about is making sure Lulu gets help and gets better. She may lack the warmth and sensitivity of most mothers, but she's not afraid to take the hard line for fear of losing Lulu's good graces.

#45   2008/09/30 11:30AM
Re: Tracy is a B!tch!
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Lulu had hard knocks before she met Johnny. Alcazar was grabbed her and was going to kill her until Sonny/Jason to the rescue. She was in the Metro Court hostage crisis. She had the abortion to deal with. So not every trauma in her life is Johnny's fault.

I have never liked Tracy from back in her days of tormenting Lois and I never will like Tracy. To me she will always be rude and cruel. If her tirades about Lulu ending up like Laura started when Lulu entered SB I would be less inclined to get mad, but she started them months ago as a way of controling Lulu. She doesn't want Lulu to be with Johnny, can't do anythign to stop an adult, so she used Laura to try to whip Lulu into doing what she wanted. Remember that rockign chair line at the PCPD? So cruel and uncalled for. Lulu's life is not for Tracy to run. So after all that I don't see her current behavior as trying to be helpful I see it as more of the same abuse. And yes using someone's worst fear and now their medical condition to berate them and try to run their life is emotional abuse. Yes I think she means well, dating a mobster not the safest thing, but it's not up to her. It's about control for Tracy IMO she doesnt have any and she's grasping at straws she has no right to touch.

As for Laura, she has no idea if Laura can hear her, but even if she can't it's wrong to say all that in front of her about Laura's state or Lulu's condition.

Shep you know your GH, do you remember Sonny/Luke discussing Tracy after her mobster husband died? I thought they said she ran his business so bad she fled in fear of her life? I know there were rumors she killed him since he died on their weddign night and I know they got her out of ELQ because her money wasn't laundered properly.

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