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They should have kept their mouths shut

Started by alissain at 2008/09/04 03:42PM
Latest post: 2008/09/06 05:16PM, Views: 1104, Replies: 82
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#21   2008/09/04 09:55PM
Re: They should have kept their mouths shut
Vanrainmom
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Quote cardgirl: I may be in the minority, however, what Sonny and Carly did was in a time of emense grief. I know I have done things that I would have not have done if I would have been in a rational state of mind. Robin and Patrick had sex which came out of Robin's grief over Georgie, which is really no different than what Carly and Sonny did. It's not like Sonny and Carly set out to do that, and it is not the same as them having an affair. Should they have been honest with their perspective mates? Absolutely!

Sonny and Carly have done alot of intentionally hurtful things, this was not one of them. I think it would have been nice to see this play out where Sonny and Carly confessed what happened, and Kate and Jax would have been able to keep it in prospective. It was sex meaningless sex. The problem now is that Carly and Sonny did not reveal this when they should have. To me this is the lie, the bigger issue. Perhaps if they would have not kept this secret for such a long time, Jax and Kate may have been able to understand it better.

So, this is what I would like to see happen, and yes, I know it will be vastly unpopular. But I would like for at least Jax to realize what truely motivated Carly's behavior, and not let this betrayal ruin what is good or what could be good about their marriage. Sometimes people who get through really big things especially in a marriage, end having a stonger relationship. As for Kate, I think she should put off the wedding to Sonny and take some more time to develop their relationship. She really needs to evaluate wheather or not she wants to be with a man who lies to her about alot of things.

Finally, I would just like to say that I thought it was so wrong for Diane to try and force Max to out the secret to Kate, and it was strange that Kate heard it from an emplyee, a virtual non-character. This may just be me also, but, I would not want my employees knowing these thing and or discussing them amoung eachother which is what Max and Diane did, and I think hearing this from an employee, is well really crossing the line.


Well I am sure glad you posted this because I agree with you! And I surely wouldn't have said it as well as you. The circumstances were horrific, they were in pain and well people make mistakes when they aren't thinking clearly.
Some things are better left alone, plus Clarisse overheard it from strangers - not enough reason to blow apart a couple who are so very much in love. Just my opinion....shoot me now...

#22   2008/09/04 09:55PM
Re: They should have kept their mouths shut
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Quote jnlforever

Are you telling me that you wouldn't want to know that the man you are about to marry had sex with his ex.....I sure as heck would!! And I would be down right peeved if know one told me.


Ditto!!

#23   2008/09/04 09:57PM
Re: They should have kept their mouths shut
meowbowow
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Quote esprit: i actually feel bad for Carly... specifically Morgan. Poor kid.


I don't feel one bit bad for Carly but Morgan always suffers from her bad choices.

#24   2008/09/04 09:58PM
Re: They should have kept their mouths shut
meowbowow
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Quote jnlforever

Really? Morgan yes.....Carly absolutely not!!! I think it is about time she learns about consequences. I wonder who she is going to blame this time for her actions?


I am sick of her getting away w/everything. Certainly this time she has no one to blame but herself!!

#25   2008/09/04 09:59PM
Re: They should have kept their mouths shut
Vanrainmom
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No matter what - I am still in agreement Cardgirl

#26   2008/09/04 10:04PM
Re: They should have kept their mouths shut
meowbowow
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Quote ghfanfare: I don't think there is any reason for Kate to know what went on before the marriage, unless there is reason to suspect an STD. After the marriage, that is another story.

Why is Kate so insecure, anyway?!


I would be insecure too if I knew my fiance had slept w/half the women in town. Also she is insecure about the connection he has w/Carly, I would be too. No secret like this should ever be kept, ESP. not until after the marriage b/c it saves a divorce.

#27   2008/09/04 10:17PM
Re: They should have kept their mouths shut
meowbowow
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Quote ghfanfare

Ouch, gen. That hurt. Need some band-aids after that one. I don't think you really know anything about my standards so let me be clear, I don't condone cheating.

I am saying that since this cheating has already happened, in this instance, it would have been best if Sonny and Carly had kept their mouths shut and no one would have known at all, especially since it seemed to be a one-time deal under duress and they both want to move on.

However, at this point it is better that both "wronged" parties know since it has been blabbed all over town.


Who cares if it was under duress? It was wrong. Carly cheated on her husband and Sonny cheated on his fiance. Cheating is wrong in every way, shape, or form. Kate needs to know BEFORE the wedding, not after which will then end up in divorce!!

#28   2008/09/04 10:27PM
Re: They should have kept their mouths shut
meowbowow
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Quote cardgirl: I may be in the minority, however, what Sonny and Carly did was in a time of emense grief. I know I have done things that I would have not have done if I would have been in a rational state of mind. Robin and Patrick had sex which came out of Robin's grief over Georgie, which is really no different than what Carly and Sonny did. It's not like Sonny and Carly set out to do that, and it is not the same as them having an affair. Should they have been honest with their perspective mates? Absolutely!

Sonny and Carly have done alot of intentionally hurtful things, this was not one of them. I think it would have been nice to see this play out where Sonny and Carly confessed what happened, and Kate and Jax would have been able to keep it in prospective. It was sex meaningless sex. The problem now is that Carly and Sonny did not reveal this when they should have. To me this is the lie, the bigger issue. Perhaps if they would have not kept this secret for such a long time, Jax and Kate may have been able to understand it better.

So, this is what I would like to see happen, and yes, I know it will be vastly unpopular. But I would like for at least Jax to realize what truely motivated Carly's behavior, and not let this betrayal ruin what is good or what could be good about their marriage. Sometimes people who get through really big things especially in a marriage, end having a stonger relationship. As for Kate, I think she should put off the wedding to Sonny and take some more time to develop their relationship. She really needs to evaluate wheather or not she wants to be with a man who lies to her about alot of things.

Finally, I would just like to say that I thought it was so wrong for Diane to try and force Max to out the secret to Kate, and it was strange that Kate heard it from an emplyee, a virtual non-character. This may just be me also, but, I would not want my employees knowing these thing and or discussing them amoung eachother which is what Max and Diane did, and I think hearing this from an employee, is well really crossing the line.


But Robin and Patrick weren't in relationships w/anybody else so no one else would be hurt by them having grief sex. They may not have done it to intentionally hurt someone else but it did so now there r consquences to pay. There is NO WAY that Jax will stand for this, at least not after she reamed him for days for kissing Kate when she kissed HIM. Nope, I don't want him to give her any sympathy!! I do agree that Diane shouldn't have asked Max to do it but she was desperate and couldn't tell Kate herself.

#29   2008/09/04 10:32PM
Re: They should have kept their mouths shut
meowbowow
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Quote frustratedfan: I haven't been watching GH lately but have a case of insomnia and decided to peek in ....I was intrigued by this thread.

I totally agree with Gen in that this is a pattern for Sonny and Carly so they don't get a "redo" (whatever Carly called it) in my book.

Kate and Jax had a right to know but this is where I disagree with some. The right to know is from their significant others. It is not anyone else's truth to tell. To be upset with someone else for not divulging the info is misplaced anger in my opinion.

My view on this matter has changed over the years. Initially I would say you have a duty to tell but what I've come to realize is that, in most cases, people already know...deep down inside. They may not have details but they know and are just not ready to face it. It is not my job to force reality on them. Should they ask...I'd tell them...otherwise I'd keep my mouth shut unless there were dire circumstances.

If they're honest, both Jax and Kate know their spouse (or spouse to be) and are aware of the dysfuntional relationship between them and should not be surprised. Let's face it...it's who Sonny is and Kate knows...she just hopes he will change. Even Carly is present enough to know it's a pattern for the two of them and Jax has had a ringside seat to this behavior. So deep down, this really shouldn't be a surprise for either and in fact should be an expectation.

Well I'll return to my self imposed banishment.


The only thing is the significant others chose not to tell. Clarisse loves Kate and feels she has a right to know b4 the wedding and ITA w/her.

#30   2008/09/04 11:02PM
Re: They should have kept their mouths shut
Vanrainmom
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Still agree with Cardgirl

#31   2008/09/04 11:17PM
Re: They should have kept their mouths shut
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Quote Vanrainmom: Still agree with Cardgirl


Me, too. The voice of reason. I don't think anyone is saying that cheating is okay. Just that people make mistakes.

And I still say that there are times when it is best not to say anything and there are times when it is best not to know.

#32   2008/09/04 11:28PM
Re: They should have kept their mouths shut
RainStormRaider
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What Gen said.....

#33   2008/09/04 11:53PM
Re: They should have kept their mouths shut
meowbowow
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Quote RainStormRaider: What Gen said.....


ITA!! Anybody would have a right to know about something like that!!

#34   2008/09/05 12:30AM
Re: They should have kept their mouths shut
RainStormRaider
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Honestly....grief or no grief....full-disclosure is a part of the deal when it comes to relationships....and both perpetrators were in committed ones....so I think its only right that it came out....

#35   2008/09/05 12:33AM
Re: They should have kept their mouths shut
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I'm gonna be my blunt self and just call it like I see it.

I think Kate is a frickin moron if she ever, for one nano-second, believed that Sonny didn't cheat on her at some point with Carly.

She dated the man when they were teenagers. He cheated on her. She changes her name, he changes his, they move to Port Chuckles, and what happens? NOTHING CHANGES!! He was a dog then, and he's a dog now. For gawd sake, you don't have to go very far to find that out. The man did single handedly repopulate all of Port Charles.

Sweaty, if you and your fiance walk into a public place and half the crowd is made up of his baby momma's, that not a good sign. DUH!!

And even if, and that's a big if, she was so blinded by Corinthos worship that she missed the big purple polka dotted elephant in the room, she should have at least been leery of Carly. All this time and effort she put into ruining the CarJax marriage she should have invested in Carly-proofing her relationship. It's no secret that Carly hates her. Just like it's no secret what Carly does to people/circumstances she hates. IMO she should have done everything in her power to encourage Jax's relationship with his wife. If Carly's getting her way at home, then it's less likely that she'll go slinking back to Sonny with her tail between her legs.

Don't even get me started on Jax.... just don't. I could write a novel about that guy.

The only one I feel sorry for, in any of this is Morgan. Yet another person he's bonded with is being ripped away. CarJax and Skate deserve every bit of what's coming to them.

There, said my words.

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