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Let's Talk About Lucky.
Started by LadyCass at 2008/08/19 09:47PMLatest post: 2008/08/27 06:24AM, Views: 1245, Replies: 139
Jolufreak08 |
Quote meowbowow: Quote aerinha: I find Lucky very emotionally abusive to Lulu. He doesn't like JOhnny and tries to use Laura's condition to whip her into doing what he wants. Given his own history with drugs and infidelity he is in no position to know best for anyone. I think his issues are more anger over his childhood and his parents' relationship (the rape) and its impact on Laura's condition and he's taking it out (subconsciously) on Lulu. I am so hoping Nik or Lainey tells Lucky part of Lulu's problem is people like him using Laura against her. I have to disagree about Lucky being emotionally abusive to LuLu. He is just a concerned brother trying to help and in his opinion Johnny is bad for LuLu. He had a great childhood w/his parents so there's no anger there. He might be upset about the rape but he got past that and he's not angry about that either. He's not using Laura against her, not at all. She's the one who keeps screeching that she is going to end up like her mother. I disagree a sibling is suppose to love you unconditionally and support you no matter if you agree with their choices or not. What they arent suppose to do is use their greater fear ( Lulu fear on being like her mother) in order to manipluate her the way he wants her to act. That is wrong and its also wrong for Lucky to assume that Laura was too weak for Luke and is now saying that about being with Johnny. I honestly believe Lucky doesnt have a clue on who lulu is as a person. |
meowbowow |
Quote frenchmocha83 I think it has more to do with their choices. Liz loved Jason, which Lucky didn't understand. Lulu loves Johnny, which Lucky doesn't understand. Sam, on the other hand, used his hatred of Jason to get him, and in this aspect, Sam thinks like he does. According to her, she was scared of Jason's life and stupid to love him, blah blah blah. Even though she is tango dancing with the mob now, it's for a good cause. Didn't she say some crap about the little girl that got sick from the fake drugs reminded her about her would-be little girl. Sorry. Didn't mean to call it crap. It just seemed like a lame excuse to get involved. Anyways, this reasoning makes sense to Lucky, so he's going along with it. I bet that if Sam became friends with Sasha and wanted to protect her, Lucky would flip out on her like he does with Liz and Lulu. Does any of this make sense? I feel like I'm rambling. Lucky flipped out from day one when Sam wanted to go undercover about the drugs but she won't listen. Like u said why would she want to get involved w/the mob when she blathered on about Jason's lifestyle being so dangerous? You make sense but Sam doesn't!! |
aerinha |
Quote JaneDoe: Quote meowbowow: Quote aerinha: I find Lucky very emotionally abusive to Lulu. He doesn't like JOhnny and tries to use Laura's condition to whip her into doing what he wants. Given his own history with drugs and infidelity he is in no position to know best for anyone. I think his issues are more anger over his childhood and his parents' relationship (the rape) and its impact on Laura's condition and he's taking it out (subconsciously) on Lulu. I am so hoping Nik or Lainey tells Lucky part of Lulu's problem is people like him using Laura against her. I have to disagree about Lucky being emotionally abusive to LuLu. He is just a concerned brother trying to help and in his opinion Johnny is bad for LuLu. He had a great childhood w/his parents so there's no anger there. He might be upset about the rape but he got past that and he's not angry about that either. He's not using Laura against her, not at all. She's the one who keeps screeching that she is going to end up like her mother. Lucky definitely has a right to be concerned for Lulu's safety because she is dating a mobster, but to drill it in her head that she's going to end up like their mom in SB is abusive. Laura didn't end up there because she was in love with a mobster, she ended up there because she thought she killed her stepfather. OTOH, Nik is being supportive even though he does not want her with Johnny either. He listens to her and takes her feelings into consideration. He's telling her now that she is not going to go crazy like their mom, that's what she needs to hear. I second everything JaneDoe said. Lulu is "screeching" she's going to be like her mom because Lucky, Tracy and Maxie keep yelling it at her and then she starts seeing Logan, which would make anyone doubt their sanity w/o the family abuse. The first thing Lainey said is Lulu's big issue is doubting her own sanity. Why does she doubt it? Well as Lulu said, "Everyone says I'm like Mom." Put it this way: If Laura were morbidly obese and everyone saw Lulu eating a cupcake. Lucky is yelling at her that she's going to be fat like mom until she cries. So is Tracy, the jealous second wife. And Maxie is the mean girl in school who picks on Lulu anyway. Then Lulu becomes anorexic to prevent herself from becoming her mom. It's an eating disorder, but one brought on out of panic. Lucky's childhood, I'd hardly call being chased around the world by the mob knowing at any second you and/or your parents could be killed was a "great" childhood. |
loveliason65 |
I think Lucky has been written true to character. Lucky has never been truly a "good" guy. If anyone remembers when Lucky found out about Luke's rape of Laura he was more judgemental and cruel to Laura than he was to Luke. Lucky has always had more dimensions than just "good guy". Even w JJ (or especially w him because he was an extraordinarily gifted actor who could portray many layers to a character in ways that his predecessors have been unable to convey) Lucky was never a saint. And even though he was "brainwashed" by Helena I think JY's portrayed alot of characteristics that are still within Lucky. People have these categories that they want to stick a character in that are much too ridged Lucky is a Spencer and LL2 made him "good". Lucky's most positive characteristics came out after Liz's rape and he's been looking for that feeling of heroism and "savior" sense. The problem is that starting w Liz and Lulu and now Sam, he is not needed to "save" anyone so his equilibrium is off. I dont think Lucky had a terrible childhood; different yes but nto terrible. He was older when he found out about Laura's rape; still young enough for it to have an impact but not enough to be the crux of his current behavior. |
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meowbowow |
Quote ghfanfare: I couldn't stand Lucky when he was abusive to Elizabeth. I am actually starting to like him a little now, as well as Sam. ***ducking*** It does feel like the writing for Lucky seems more like an afterthought. Can't you see the writers all sitting around the table saying, okay, what should we do with him now?! LOL!! I can see it now. They'd have their pen in their hands and scratching their heads trying to figure it out. They might say something like well should we leave him a doofus or have him finally grow up? lol. |
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meowbowow |
Quote aerinha I don't get why Guza would hate Lucky, he gave him his best s/l when they did Liz's rape and the start of Lucky & Liz. Yes but Liz's rape had JJ's Lucky then not GV. Since GV came on they've dumbed this character down badly. |
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meowbowow |
Quote Jolufreak08: LOL you got me thinking of the Lion from the Wizard of Oz "If only I had a brain lol The Scarecrow needed a brain and even he had more of one then Lucky will apparently ever have. |
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meowbowow |
Quote JaneDoe Lucky definitely has a right to be concerned for Lulu's safety because she is dating a mobster, but to drill it in her head that she's going to end up like their mom in SB is abusive. Laura didn't end up there because she was in love with a mobster, she ended up there because she thought she killed her stepfather. OTOH, Nik is being supportive even though he does not want her with Johnny either. He listens to her and takes her feelings into consideration. He's telling her now that she is not going to go crazy like their mom, that's what she needs to hear. Yes it is abusive but for how long has LuLu been screeching about possibly ending up like her mother? Long b4 this s/l. No Lucky shouldn't have said that but she's said it way more then he ever has. Johnny's told her tons of times she's not going to but LuLu keeps insisting she is. |
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meowbowow |
Quote Jolufreak08 I disagree a sibling is suppose to love you unconditionally and support you no matter if you agree with their choices or not. What they arent suppose to do is use their greater fear ( Lulu fear on being like her mother) in order to manipluate her the way he wants her to act. That is wrong and its also wrong for Lucky to assume that Laura was too weak for Luke and is now saying that about being with Johnny. I honestly believe Lucky doesnt have a clue on who lulu is as a person. A sibling should love u unconditionally that is true but he was also being a concerned brother. Any sibling would be watching their sister get involved w/a mobster don't u think? Again LuLu feared being like her mother long b4 Lucky ever said it. Saying it was wrong but he didn't use it against her IMO. Why would he? |
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aerinha |
Quote meowbowow: Quote Jolufreak08 I disagree a sibling is suppose to love you unconditionally and support you no matter if you agree with their choices or not. What they arent suppose to do is use their greater fear ( Lulu fear on being like her mother) in order to manipluate her the way he wants her to act. That is wrong and its also wrong for Lucky to assume that Laura was too weak for Luke and is now saying that about being with Johnny. I honestly believe Lucky doesnt have a clue on who lulu is as a person. A sibling should love u unconditionally that is true but he was also being a concerned brother. Any sibling would be watching their sister get involved w/a mobster don't u think? Again LuLu feared being like her mother long b4 Lucky ever said it. Saying it was wrong but he didn't use it against her IMO. Why would he? I don't disagree that Lucky should be concerned about the mobster thing. But when Lulu won't break up with Johnny he trots out Laura to try to scare Lulu into leaving Johnny. And he gets a reaction, she cries, so he keeps at it because he thinks he has the key to controlling her. He doesn't see it as abuse, but it is. Anyone would fear ending up like Laura, but Lulu has said that she wouldn't end up like that until she started seeing Logan. That would make anyone question sanity. But to doubt yourself and to know other people doubted you BEFORE there was a reason to makes it worse. Lucky is a big part of Lulu's problem now. Her doctor needs to tell him. |
LadyCass |
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loveliason65 |
Quote LadyCass: loveliason65... That was a GREAT post. It really has me thinking. Thanks for sharing. I think you're right in that Lucky has always had problems with being controlling and abusive. But NO ONE ever acknowledges it. It really drives me up a wall. I haven't seen so much of the controlling Lucky with Sam. This worry over the gun shot wound and her being in danger is the first sign of it. I can understand having a character with these problems but by not acknowledging the problems it's like saying it's normal and okay. It is not normal and okay to be treated that way by a guy in your life whether he be your brother or lover. And they do seem to be emphasizing it even more when you have Nik to compare him to. Hey Ladycass See I have seen it w Sam jsut a bit. Since she's been "undercover" he's shown up at her "work" too much. He's questioned her ability to get the info and be safe. This was a about a week or so ago. I think tptb are emphasizing the difference betw Nik and Lulu's relationship (notice she's able to talk to him; reveal more of what she's seeing and feeling) and Lucky & Lulu's relationship (he talks she listens but doesnt not open up to him. Also, note that subtle inference that Nik comes by and visit Laura regularly while Lucky apparently does not(this was a couple of weeks ago when they were think Lulu might come to Shadybooke. The nurse read the sign in sheet to someone; Scott maybe). It is realistic that people let that kind of behavior pass. Unfortunately, you see it all the time, especially in families. Its easier to ignore, make excuses, spout the we are family line rather than confront the issue JMO. |
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LadyCass |
Quote loveliason65: Hey Ladycass See I have seen it w Sam jsut a bit. Since she's been "undercover" he's shown up at her "work" too much. I think tptb are emphasizing the difference betw Nik and Lulu's relationship (notice she's able to talk to him; reveal more of what she's seeing and feeling) and Lucky & Lulu's relationship (he talks she listens but doesnt not open up to him. Also, note that subtle inference that Nik comes by and visit Laura regularly while Lucky apparently does not(this was a couple of weeks ago when they were think Lulu might come to Shadybooke. The nurse read the sign in sheet to someone; Scott maybe). It is realistic that people let that kind of behavior pass. Unfortunately, you see it all the time, especially in families. Its easier to ignore, make excuses, spout the we are family line rather than confront the issue JMO. I remember when they said Nik visits Laura all the time. Your post has me bummed though. I'm doomed to watch Lucky be like this forever? sigh It would be such a better character to see him have to face these problems. Yes, we see people like this in the real world all the time. What we don't see is how these issues can be addressed. It would be nice to see them explore that in this little make believe world of Port Chuckles. |
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loveliason65 |
Quote LadyCass: Quote loveliason65: Hey Ladycass See I have seen it w Sam jsut a bit. Since she's been "undercover" he's shown up at her "work" too much. I think tptb are emphasizing the difference betw Nik and Lulu's relationship (notice she's able to talk to him; reveal more of what she's seeing and feeling) and Lucky & Lulu's relationship (he talks she listens but doesnt not open up to him. Also, note that subtle inference that Nik comes by and visit Laura regularly while Lucky apparently does not(this was a couple of weeks ago when they were think Lulu might come to Shadybooke. The nurse read the sign in sheet to someone; Scott maybe). It is realistic that people let that kind of behavior pass. Unfortunately, you see it all the time, especially in families. Its easier to ignore, make excuses, spout the we are family line rather than confront the issue JMO. I remember when they said Nik visits Laura all the time. Your post has me bummed though. I'm doomed to watch Lucky be like this forever? sigh It would be such a better character to see him have to face these problems. Yes, we see people like this in the real world all the time. What we don't see is how these issues can be addressed. It would be nice to see them explore that in this little make believe world of Port Chuckles. It has me bumMED too because I think the addressing of those issues has more to do w whether LuSam becomes more popular w the audience. If they become really popular then tptb wont taint him too much. But in reality I think they'd be more compelling to watch dealing w those types of problems than doing the silly "mob" s/l. I think its possible that even w their popularity Guza might go down that road or at least have him become addicted again. It'd be interesting to see those negative traits brought out w someone other than Liz or Lulu. Right now, since I'm no fan of either, I ff through most of their scenes. |
frustratedfan |
Very interesting theory love and it does seem to fit. Not sure the writers went this deep but it can actually be explained a number of ways. Lucky has mentioned his desire for stability and security for the boys because he grew up on the run. That could also explain his need for control because so much was outside of his control...there was chaos. |
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