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Elizabethan Spin

Started by MorWeb at 2008/06/25 12:25AM
Latest post: 2008/06/25 06:06PM, Views: 701, Replies: 40
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#11   2008/06/25 01:59AM
Re: Elizabethan Spin
MorWeb
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SlowAutumnWind Okay, so then you just want Jason to be his word to Spin and stand up to Sonny. This would be a welcome departure from the norm. We can be hopeful that Guza was only looking to have Jason make such a commitment rather than foreshadowing with Spin's spiel that Jason will eventually actually kill Sonny. Guess you were spot on when you said we'll just have to wait and see ...although it's just SO much fun to speculate!

#12   2008/06/25 02:10AM
Re: Elizabethan Spin
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Quote Wishing4Liason: Heehee Spin's whole spiel...I am impressed with the fact that BA rattled that all off and made it look effortlessly...but I am HAPPY that Clauds was there to break it down for me...

Guza could be foreshadowing...I think it will all come down to what MB decides to do...because while I am so loving the Sason split I also acknowledge the position in Jason's life that Sonny holds...and while I don't understand why in the heck Sonny thinks that he treatment of someone that has treated him with the utmost loyalty and respect is okay and continue to think the person is going to show him respect??

Sonny really needs to be taught a lesson from Jason because Sonny doesn't see the man standing before him, he only sees that blindly devoted kid that took his orders without question.

Despite that though, the only way I can see Jason going to that measure with Sonny would be because Sonny betrayed Jason is some unforgivable way...there is ONE area that would bring Jason to his knees in which Sonny could hurt him and if Sonny chose to go there....Jason would kill him.


Ahhh the 'Jake factor'! My mind didn't even go there. WOW! Yep, if Jason could threaten a woman he once loved with death he could fulfill the promise with Sonny. Gosh Wishing I FLOVE how your mind works! You are SO spot on ...if Sonny did anything that endangered Jake and/or Elizabeth ALL bets would definitely be off, and under such a circumstance Jason could walk away without being absolutely devastated by his choice to kill Sonny. Did I tell you?...I FLOVE how your mind works!!!

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#13   2008/06/25 03:15AM
Re: Elizabethan Spin
Muffy Puffy
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I know a few months back SID interviewed MB and he hinted that he was seriously considering not re-signing with the show. My first thought was good riddance, LOL, although I do have to say that in real life, MB seems very nice. I sent him a letter about my mother and he sent an autographed photo...I really wasn't expecting or wanting that...I just wanted him to know that in her Alzheimer befuddled mind, he was the one person that she always recognized.

#14   2008/06/25 05:22AM
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great to see you MorWeb! Wonderful thread!!!!

I love Spin in all this personas....but his Shakespearian rant yesterday was slightly over the top

I did enjoy the reference to Sonny as the father figure as on Father's day a few weeks back they sort of hinted that Sonny was the father figure to Jason...I forget the scene or dialog, but all I know is that I despise that reference! It is time for the little boy to grow up! Jason needs to reject "this father/Sonny" as he did Alan all those years ago.....He needs to figure out what a real father should be and giddy up and get going!

I'd like to see Jason rise above this mob crap and witness the demise of Sonny and all he hold precious! SlowAutumnWind put it best!

Down with Sonny/Long live the mighty Jason Morgan!

#15   2008/06/25 05:59AM
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I loved Spinelli's rant!!! I seriously hope Jason does kill Sonny. I hate Sonny. I would personally love for Jason to kill Sonny at his wedding to Kate. I fast-forward through all of Sonny's scenes! This coupled with Carly musing dumbly aloud that she could be pregnant with Sonny's baby. Jax is too nice a guy to do it, but I wish he would go tell Kate what he heard and ruin Sonny's happy engagement.

#16   2008/06/25 08:53AM
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I personally don't want MB to leave and I hope that Guza gets his act together and stop writing these actors/actresses so out of character before he ruins them all. I personally don't like how he has Sonny acting these days. I saw a old youtube of how Jason and Sonny use to be and i loved it. Sonny helped Jason through a lot and visa versa. Definitely a friendship worth fighting for.

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#17   2008/06/25 08:56AM
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Quote MorWeb: Our beloved Spin out did himself today with his Elizabethan spiel about the Old King wanting to regain his throne. So do you think Guza is foreshadowing? According to an article on CBS News from June 3rd MB only has 6 months left on his contract--do you think Guza is creating an exit strategy or is this going to be another thread of a storyline left dangling as Guza seems so wont to do these days?!

I think it would definitely be a WOW scenario! It has been sad to see the Sason relationship bite the dust. I expected it to just be like a painful divorce, but now I'm not so sure. The fallout would be tremendous!

Can't wait to see what everyone thinks. See you around the board.~MorWeb/Diane


Loved the WOW scenario, but Spin did say it didn't have to end like this. I don't think Maurice Benard is going anywhere, but maybe Steve Burton will leave, I have heard that too. I hope they both stay.....GH should offer the house to keep them even though I am no longer a fan of Sonny the show really needs him.

#18   2008/06/25 09:02AM
Re: Elizabethan Spin
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Quote Jasam 4ever: I personally don't want MB to leave and I hope that Guza gets his act together and stop writing these actors/actresses so out of character before he ruins them all. I personally don't like how he has Sonny acting these days. I saw a old youtube of how Jason and Sonny use to be and i loved it. Sonny helped Jason through a lot and visa versa. Definitely a friendship worth fighting for.


I agree with you, Sonny & Jason are a very special friendship like Jason & Carly. This is about the only show that has such true friends. I think Sonny will want the business back but in the end they will remain friends after some real hard times. I don't think Jason will kill Sonny too morbid....

#19   2008/06/25 10:08AM
Re: Elizabethan Spin
MorWeb
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Quote joe2811: great to see you MorWeb! Wonderful thread!!!!

I love Spin in all this personas....but his Shakespearian rant yesterday was slightly over the top

I did enjoy the reference to Sonny as the father figure as on Father's day a few weeks back they sort of hinted that Sonny was the father figure to Jason...I forget the scene or dialog, but all I know is that I despise that reference! It is time for the little boy to grow up! Jason needs to reject "this father/Sonny" as he did Alan all those years ago.....He needs to figure out what a real father should be and giddy up and get going!

I'd like to see Jason rise above this mob crap and witness the demise of Sonny and all he hold precious! SlowAutumnWind put it best!

Down with Sonny/Long live the mighty Jason Morgan!


joe2811 Great to see you too! Thanks for the compliment.

Here's the link to the scene you're referencing where Sonny repeatedly says "You were the kid who..." completely refusing to see Jason for the man he has become :
www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBAP7U4-bhc

What I got from SlowAutumnWind is that she wants Jason to stand up to Sonny, and let Karma pay out. That would be the best case scenario, but if Guza takes us down this dark road will Jason be able to let others neutralize Sonny or will Jason have to do it himself? Because Sonny can't fully see Jason as the man he has become, Sonny may push the envelop a bit too far thinking he can take back the organization--which in the clip above Diane advises would be incriminating--and have Jason kowtow again ...which we all know is entirely impossible at this point.

As for my beloved Spin - he's always a bit out there, but in delirium he of course went slightly over the top. That's the beauty of Spin, and why it's such a sin that he would attempt to change to win the love of Maxie.

What a beautiful mess this may all turn out to be!~MorWeb/Diane

#20   2008/06/25 10:23AM
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Such great posts. Why am I even going to attempt to say my peace, but here goes. I don't see Jason killing Sonny unless he was a direct threat to his family. This man carries around guilt like a second skin.

I must admit that Brandon would be marvelous in an Shakespearean play. He was awesome. We really take his acting for granted, because he has been the comic relief. He has some truly awesome acting chops.

#21   2008/06/25 11:12AM
Re: Elizabethan Spin
MorWeb
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Quote dimples2010: Such great posts. Why am I even going to attempt to say my peace, but here goes. I don't see Jason killing Sonny unless he was a direct threat to his family. This man carries around guilt like a second skin.

I must admit that Brandon would be marvelous in an Shakespearean play. He was awesome. We really take his acting for granted, because he has been the comic relief. He has some truly awesome acting chops.



Fair dimples why would you attempt to say your peace?! You far underestimate your true value to any good discussion. If you did not join us we would not be able to partake of such wondrous & insightful gems as the observation that Stonecold "carries around guilt like a second skin".

In my excitement I confess I cannot continue in this Spinelliese...

Yes! Our 'hitman with the heart of gold' has loyalty, and honor, and could not hurt anyone he's ever called friend just for business purposes. Still I'd like to know just how direct a threat you think would have to be necessary for Jason to actually do away with Sonny...Could Sonny get away with indirectly creating a threat for Elizabeth and/or Jake? Would revealing Jake's paternity be enough? Or would it have to be something far more substantial? I value your insights, and the machinations of your brain. ~MorWeb/Diane

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#22   2008/06/25 11:18AM
Re: Elizabethan Spin
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I like Spin sometimes even love him actaully most the time I love him. That being said quite often I have the same look Sonny does! That Come again in Engish please?!

IT's OverLoad!

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#23   2008/06/25 11:27AM
Re: Elizabethan Spin
MorWeb
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Quote liz-fan: I like Spin sometimes even love him actaully most the time I love him. That being said quite often I have the same look Sonny does! That Come again in Engish please?!

IT's OverLoad!


It can be ...Which is why Guza is smart enough (I begrudgingly acknowledge) to provide us with a translator for truly pivotal scenes such as this. I think Claudia translated quite nicely. Based on her translation...what do you think we're in for?

#24   2008/06/25 12:16PM
Re: Elizabethan Spin
meowbowow
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Quote MorWeb: SlowAutumnWind It's not just you. Jason is definitely coming into his own. Still I think it would have a tremendous impact on the character to have him kill his mentor / pseudo-father. I don't think that would be something Jason could do, and just blithely walk away.


I don't think so either. IMO Sonny would have to do something so horribe that Jason couldn't look at him anymore. Are we talking about the add in SID in the commercials during GH, is that what bought up this question? Just curious. They have been known to lie just to sell mags.

#25   2008/06/25 12:22PM
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meowbowow
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Quote SlowAutumnWind

I don't think Jason could kill Sonny either, that's not his style. I'm just hoping that Jason breaks free of Sonny's control COMPLETELY. Meaning I want him to stop doing what's good for Sonny, Sonny's kid's, Sonny's dad, and start thinking about what's good for HIM and HIS FAMILY. Leave Sonny to his own devices, let him deal with his life and his mistakes ON HIS OWN! Jason doesn't have to do anything drastic to send Sonny off into the deep end, we all know it's only a matter of time before Sonny collapses under his own weight and goes ballistic again...

Look, I know that Jason loves Michael and Morgan, and as much as I hate it, Carly, but that does not mean that just because he is loyal to them that he still has to follow Sonny around like a lost puppy. Jason needs to accept the fact that Sonny is not the demigod he always believed and allow karma to have it's way!


Jason really shouldn't have to do anything for Sonny anymore since he's not the mob boss, except provide protection. He no longer has to be at his beck and call which I think makes him free to live his own life w/Elizabeth and the boys. Since Jason runs the mob so much differently then Sonny the danger will be less and he can be w/Liz.

I am just wondering when this turned out to be a thread about Jason/Sonny? lol.

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