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JASON Fans ONLY Thread
Started by liasonliveson at 2007/09/16 09:19PMLatest post: 2009/11/20 06:10PM, Views: 173821, Replies: 11797
#7711
2009/11/07 11:32AM
Re: JASON Fans ONLY Thread
Devil-or-Angel |
Quote Charming the Flame: Quote Devil-or-Angel: Quote genhospchat: Quote esprit: I think the word I am looking for is "Anyway". I am happy people follow SBu on twitter.. not sure what to respond to that. But I will also add that if you get the chance, go to his PA or even the FCW. He is awesome & hilarious... I have had the pleasure of meeting and talking with him in person (among others in GH cast). A very nice and down to earth guy indeed. As for my quote, I would like the entire post along with date/time, just to see the context it was originally said in (if it was). And as for Steve's quote... he said it at his FCW PA July 18th 2009, and it was published in Aug 24th 2009 SID issue. And yes it was regarding the current storyline and what's in store for JAson in the Fall of 2009. I cannot post any links other than YT, but there is an online scan of that mag. No way of spinning his words this time... Anyway, I am off to enjoy my weekend ... hope everyone has a good one. I remember that article. I remember seeing that article too... But here is a Steve Burton quote from a more RECENT interview (Oct 5 issue of SID) Steve Burton weighs in on Jason's chance to reignite with Sam! Come on, admit it. Whether you're a Liason fan, a JaSam follower or think that the real couple to root for is the hunky hit man and the town Godfather, as long as you've got a pulse, there's no denying that GH's sexy Sam and Jason have sizzling chemistry. When their eyes lock, the sexual sparks fly right through the screen, triggering sweaty palms and heart palpitations. What's the secret of their success? "The fans like the action," explains Burton. "They want an action couple to go on adventures together, save each other, and have each other's back. Jason and Sam are definitely the combo for that Theres was lots more, including a line that said If Burton has his way, Jason won't be hanging up his gun belt anytime soon. And the article also quoted SBu saying "We want gunshots, we want Mob stuff. It usually leads to the best stories. I hope that doesn't change" I have the mag and a scanner, so if you missed that issue (or just chose to ignore it) I can scan it and email it to you... I'm totally on board with what SBoo wants in the way of action. What he says the fans want is probably true as far as his pairing having each others back, saving each other and going on adventures. This fan finds it dull when he does it with Sam. (Sorry  ). I LOVE it when he and Elizabeth team up!! (the crypt, manny, the studio, etc) I also LOVE it when the adventuring team is Jason and Spin or Jason and Johnny... depending on how it goes, could we have Jason and Dante? (heart be still!) THIS fan sees windows for those pairings to happen when he is with Elizabeth b.c she has her one roots in the show to forge story lines that cross with Jason but don't depend on him."We want gunshots, we want Mob stuff. It usually leads to the best stories. I hope that doesn't change" Like when he's ended up with a beautiful nurse Webber tending to him.... ahhh the gun fire that leads to the flame of love!!! Or more recently when he ended up with Beautiful & Sexy Sam tending his wounds down in Mexico... which led us to where things are NOW! |
#7712
2009/11/07 11:37AM
Re: JASON Fans ONLY Thread
genhospchat |
Quote Devil-or-Angel: Quote Charming the Flame: Quote Devil-or-Angel: Quote genhospchat: Quote esprit: I think the word I am looking for is "Anyway". I am happy people follow SBu on twitter.. not sure what to respond to that. But I will also add that if you get the chance, go to his PA or even the FCW. He is awesome & hilarious... I have had the pleasure of meeting and talking with him in person (among others in GH cast). A very nice and down to earth guy indeed. As for my quote, I would like the entire post along with date/time, just to see the context it was originally said in (if it was). And as for Steve's quote... he said it at his FCW PA July 18th 2009, and it was published in Aug 24th 2009 SID issue. And yes it was regarding the current storyline and what's in store for JAson in the Fall of 2009. I cannot post any links other than YT, but there is an online scan of that mag. No way of spinning his words this time... Anyway, I am off to enjoy my weekend ... hope everyone has a good one. I remember that article. I remember seeing that article too... But here is a Steve Burton quote from a more RECENT interview (Oct 5 issue of SID) Steve Burton weighs in on Jason's chance to reignite with Sam! Come on, admit it. Whether you're a Liason fan, a JaSam follower or think that the real couple to root for is the hunky hit man and the town Godfather, as long as you've got a pulse, there's no denying that GH's sexy Sam and Jason have sizzling chemistry. When their eyes lock, the sexual sparks fly right through the screen, triggering sweaty palms and heart palpitations. What's the secret of their success? "The fans like the action," explains Burton. "They want an action couple to go on adventures together, save each other, and have each other's back. Jason and Sam are definitely the combo for that Theres was lots more, including a line that said If Burton has his way, Jason won't be hanging up his gun belt anytime soon. And the article also quoted SBu saying "We want gunshots, we want Mob stuff. It usually leads to the best stories. I hope that doesn't change" I have the mag and a scanner, so if you missed that issue (or just chose to ignore it) I can scan it and email it to you... I'm totally on board with what SBoo wants in the way of action. What he says the fans want is probably true as far as his pairing having each others back, saving each other and going on adventures. This fan finds it dull when he does it with Sam. (Sorry ). I LOVE it when he and Elizabeth team up!! (the crypt, manny, the studio, etc) I also LOVE it when the adventuring team is Jason and Spin or Jason and Johnny... depending on how it goes, could we have Jason and Dante? (heart be still!) THIS fan sees windows for those pairings to happen when he is with Elizabeth b.c she has her one roots in the show to forge story lines that cross with Jason but don't depend on him."We want gunshots, we want Mob stuff. It usually leads to the best stories. I hope that doesn't change" Like when he's ended up with a beautiful nurse Webber tending to him.... ahhh the gun fire that leads to the flame of love!!! Or more recently when he ended up with Beautiful & Sexy Sam tending his wounds down in Mexico... which led us to where things are NOW! Maybe it was about Sonny and that they are always in a shoot out with somebody and THAT'S the mob stuff people enjoy!? Maybe people enjoy Jason ON HIS OWN in the mob stuff with NO ONE by his side?! Maybe the contest isn't important!? |
#7713
2009/11/07 11:39AM
Re: JASON Fans ONLY Thread
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Devil-or-Angel |
Gen... |
#7714
2009/11/07 11:39AM
Re: JASON Fans ONLY Thread
Charming the... |
Quote Devil-or-Angel: Quote Charming the Flame: Quote Devil-or-Angel: Quote genhospchat: Quote esprit: I think the word I am looking for is "Anyway". I am happy people follow SBu on twitter.. not sure what to respond to that. But I will also add that if you get the chance, go to his PA or even the FCW. He is awesome & hilarious... I have had the pleasure of meeting and talking with him in person (among others in GH cast). A very nice and down to earth guy indeed. As for my quote, I would like the entire post along with date/time, just to see the context it was originally said in (if it was). And as for Steve's quote... he said it at his FCW PA July 18th 2009, and it was published in Aug 24th 2009 SID issue. And yes it was regarding the current storyline and what's in store for JAson in the Fall of 2009. I cannot post any links other than YT, but there is an online scan of that mag. No way of spinning his words this time... Anyway, I am off to enjoy my weekend ... hope everyone has a good one. I remember that article. I remember seeing that article too... But here is a Steve Burton quote from a more RECENT interview (Oct 5 issue of SID) Steve Burton weighs in on Jason's chance to reignite with Sam! Come on, admit it. Whether you're a Liason fan, a JaSam follower or think that the real couple to root for is the hunky hit man and the town Godfather, as long as you've got a pulse, there's no denying that GH's sexy Sam and Jason have sizzling chemistry. When their eyes lock, the sexual sparks fly right through the screen, triggering sweaty palms and heart palpitations. What's the secret of their success? "The fans like the action," explains Burton. "They want an action couple to go on adventures together, save each other, and have each other's back. Jason and Sam are definitely the combo for that Theres was lots more, including a line that said If Burton has his way, Jason won't be hanging up his gun belt anytime soon. And the article also quoted SBu saying "We want gunshots, we want Mob stuff. It usually leads to the best stories. I hope that doesn't change" I have the mag and a scanner, so if you missed that issue (or just chose to ignore it) I can scan it and email it to you... I'm totally on board with what SBoo wants in the way of action. What he says the fans want is probably true as far as his pairing having each others back, saving each other and going on adventures. This fan finds it dull when he does it with Sam. (Sorry ). I LOVE it when he and Elizabeth team up!! (the crypt, manny, the studio, etc) I also LOVE it when the adventuring team is Jason and Spin or Jason and Johnny... depending on how it goes, could we have Jason and Dante? (heart be still!) THIS fan sees windows for those pairings to happen when he is with Elizabeth b.c she has her one roots in the show to forge story lines that cross with Jason but don't depend on him."We want gunshots, we want Mob stuff. It usually leads to the best stories. I hope that doesn't change" Like when he's ended up with a beautiful nurse Webber tending to him.... ahhh the gun fire that leads to the flame of love!!! Or more recently when he ended up with Beautiful & Sexy Sam tending his wounds down in Mexico... which led us to where things are NOW! nope... found it contrite and boring... it was a little nonsensical too. Not really anything to do with the characters at that moment. The scene was so rushed. Too many WTF moments for me to not see the 'plot point'. Poor me I had to stare at Jason's bare skin to find anything to enjoy...   I blame the current writers tho. They used to write for the quiet moments but now it's hurry up-hurry up get to it! Then they do and the story fall flat for awhile. Did enjoy Jason's look to her about wanting to 'talk about it'. He does a great WTF look! 
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#7715
2009/11/07 11:46AM
Re: JASON Fans ONLY Thread
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Devil-or-Angel |
Quote genhospchat: Quote Devil-or-Angel: I wish there as a bored/sleeping icon on this MB, I find myself needing one more and more often...  I find skipping posts I'm bored with to work, instead of complaining about them. I guess the same doesn't work for everyone. Oh I do skip posts sometimes.... I try to read most of them, but sometimes a post is just so long, or it becomes dull or repetative (I love reading, but I can only read the same time over and over again so many times) that by the 2nd, 3rd or 4th paragraph you feel like you are in danger of falling asleep or that you've heard what that poster has to say way too many times... |
#7716
2009/11/07 12:02PM
Re: JASON Fans ONLY Thread
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Charming the... |
Quote Devil-or-Angel: Quote genhospchat: Quote Devil-or-Angel: I wish there as a bored/sleeping icon on this MB, I find myself needing one more and more often... I find skipping posts I'm bored with to work, instead of complaining about them. I guess the same doesn't work for everyone. Oh I do skip posts sometimes.... I try to read most of them, but sometimes a post is just so long, or it becomes dull or repetative (I love reading, but I can only read the same time over and over again so many times) that by the 2nd, 3rd or 4th paragraph you feel like you are in danger of falling asleep or that you've heard what that poster has to say way too many times... Do you really think this is the appropriate forum to critique people's posting styles? Whether there are a lot of spelling errors or repetition or whatever, this board is about the content. People want to see relies about their ideas. They are not submitting essays for ANYONE to grade. It's not very welcoming to a shy or new poster to see they might be called out for being dull, would you agree? |
#7717
2009/11/07 12:21PM
Re: JASON Fans ONLY Thread
GHVixen |
Quote genhospchat: Quote Devil-or-Angel: Quote GHVixen: Well, Esprit, you HAVE actually called Sam "the leech sucking the life out of Jason." I have read several of your posts where you say that and I will find them for you and paste them here, like you wanted GH2012 to do. I am also a little confused when you called someone a "child-endangerer"......who EXACTLY were you referring to, because there are LOTS of GH characters who endanger the lives of the children they are around, but since this is a Jason thread, I will just mention JASON as being a child endangerer. Don't get me wrong, I really LOVE the character of Jason, but let's face the facts, shall we: 1. Jason is a KILLER, therefore, ANY child that comes into contact with him is in danger of being killed. 2. Even Jason knows that he is a "child-endangerer", that is why he never wanted children of his own AND that is why he will not be a father to the son he accidentally (and drunkenly) made with liz. 3. Michael, whom Jason loves more than his own son, has had a rough life (and even been shot in the head) as a direct result of what his father and uncle Jason do for a living. Michael continues to struggle with the life he was brought up in and Jason doesn't make it any easier for him. 4. When the russian mob kidnapped liz's children last year, they did NOT know that Jake was Jason's son.....they just knew that the children's mother, liz, is a friend of Jason, so that was enough for the russian mob to kidnap the children. Just imagine how much worse it could have been, if they had known that Jake was the illegitimate son of Jason and liz. 5. Everytime Jason kills someone who is a father, he is making that child grow up fatherless, which kind of makes Jason selfish. He killed poor Alcazar for no reason (other than Sonny didn't like him) and now, Lila Rae has to grow up without her father. Jason even killed Alcazar with Lila Rae in the house, so that would make Jason a child-endangerer. 6. When Jason busted into the wrong cabin and pulled his gun on the mom with her 2 small children (when he was searching for Carly and Claudia), he could have accidentally killed one or both of those children. Then, he would have been a child-endangerer AND a child-murderer. 7. Even having Jason in the same vicinity with ANY child, makes him a child-endangerer, because Jason is ALWAYS going to be a mob target and any innocent person around him (whether it be an adult or a child and whether it be someone he knows or does not know) is in DANGER of being shot at and killed, even if that person was accidentally shot at. I could go on and on and on and on and on about Jason being a danger to ANY child, but I think you might get the message. I could also go on and on about almost everyone else on GH being a child-endangerer, but since this is a JASON ONLY thread, I decided to limit it to just Jason in this post. The mother of Jason's illegitimate son is also a child-endangerer, but if I bring up how she is, then someone will cry that I am "baiting" them since no one can be strong enough to take the truth about liz and not cry foul. I will admit something though. I have always wanted Jason to be a part of Jake's life and I thought liz was being selfish by denying Jason access to his son, but after watching the scenes where Michael killed Claudia and Jason got rid of the evidence and especially after watching him stand over Claudia's body while Max and Milo buried her, I realized just how cold, cruel and ruthless Jason can actually be. I got the shivers just watching Jason looking emotionless as Claudia's dead, lifeless body was being buried. I then realized, that I do NOT want Jason anywhere near Jake and now, I don't believe that liz is being selfish. I think liz is right to deny Jason access to Jake, because what if Jake grew up around Jason (and knew that Jason is his father) and then, he grew up and started having the exact same problems as Michael has had and continues to have? I can actually see this whole situation from a different view point now and I do believe that liz is doing the right thing, in regards to Jake. I have also, in the past, advocated for a JaSam "miracle" baby, but now, I don't know if that would be a good idea either. If Jason ever got out of the mob business, then I would love for Jason and Sam to have the baby that they have always wanted together, but since we all know that he will never give up the mob lifestyle (because he wouldn't even give it up for his OWN son), then, I don't want a JaSam baby. I love the character of Jason, but after the Claudia scenes (which were great, in a "soap" way, of course and eerie), I have seen another side of Jason that I knew was always there, but now I really feel that he is as cold and heartless as some say he is. Kudos to GH for writing and producing such a great week and kudos to Sarah Brown for an outstanding acting job when she was leaving the canvas as Claudia. Vixen, I love your post, I don't agree with EVERYTHING you said, but you just said it so well... Unlike you I do think Liz is being selfish. It's not like she didn't know who/what Jason is/does. She has known him (and according to their fans better than anyone else) for over 10 years. From the very begining she has said repeatedly that his life is too dangerous. So why did she tell him? She obviously did not have any intention of letting him be part of Jake's life, unless he left the mob. But since she knows him so well, shouldn't she have known that he doesn't really want too? Was she using Jake to try to get Jasonto change? IMO She only told Jason because she knew that that was the only way she could keep him tied to her and when it didn't work, when he didn't change for her as she hoped, she played the "your life is too dangerous" card to back him off, but yet still keep him tied to her.... Anywho, I loved your post (all of them).... Ok I'm going to try to reply to this but HOPE that people KNOW that I'm just trying to have a conversation and HOPE that I'm not going to get nasty back or "Sam is Jason's woman deal with it" because I KNOW that Jason and Sam are dating at the moment so I don't NEED to be reminded ok!? Regarding Jake, JASON is the one that's selfish BUT I UNDERSTAND why they did what they did with him. Now to answer. As was shown ONSCREEN, Liz told Jason about the baby because she thought they were going to die, not because she wanted to be linked to him forever. Again, THIS WAS SHOWN ONSCREEN so to try to change it to suit one's own "needs" is futile. As for the "danger, danger" (I love that saying for it) part, if you go back and watch again, it was JASON who started the "danger, danger" stuff and LATER Liz joined it because Jason pushed it so much. Liz NEVER asked Jason to leave the mob. Liz has ALWAYS said it's who he is and she loved ALL of him. Never ONCE did she tell Jason to leave the mob or to change. IN FACT, she has always said she likes him the way he is and doesn't want him to change a thing about himself (well hopefully SOMEBODY tells him to wear a different colour every now and again but that's for another time )As far as LIz being selfish, well I agree that she is being selfish as far as Nik and Lucky are concerned and I have NO issue calling her out on that. As far as her being selfish regarding Jason with Jake, I really don't see how that can even be said because she has been away from Jason for 11 months, hasn't contacted him, hasn't tried to tie him to obligations, hasn't asked him for ANYTHING and never has regarding Jake so unless I am watching a DIFFERENT show, which I don't think I am, these statements are pure fiction. I like that everyone else has opinions and expresses them BUT it's times like this, when stories THAT WE'VE SEEN are changed to suit what people want to admit or deny that makes things aggravating. I have been TRYING to play devil's advocate lately because I myself have seen some things that "I" have done here and am trying to change my ways but really it's hard when this type of fan fiction happens. Heck I even tried changing the subject to JASON, the point of this thread, yet the arguments still go on and yet the one's that say "I guess not all can move on" (or however it was worded) then continuously go on and on about stuff that really has NOTHING to do with ANYTHING is just exhausting. Anyways that's my schpeel and again take it as my thoughts, not an argument. Oh I'm not going to go back to all the posts to figure out who said what but the comment "leech who is sucking the life out of Jason" was ORIGINATED by that poster who was pretending to be a Liz fan but was really a Sam fan trying to cause trouble a few weeks ago (can't for the life of me remember what her fake name was but I'm sure many know who I am talking about). Now the mystery is solved and we can all move on from it and no one has to go searching for anything to try to implicate E in WHATEVER the point of finding it was (though if you know E, she is a straightshooter and no nonsense person and if she HAD originated it, she would take responsibility for it proudly). Anyways, AGAIN, I am going to try to get the conversation BACK to Jason and say AGAIN (though I don't remember exactly how I worded it the first time), "would we like to see the PH redecorated and if so, how?" Honestly, Genhospchat...It really doesn't matter who originated the "Sam is a leech comment" because Esprit has said it several times in posts in the Liason thread and THAT IS A FACT!!! And also, just because someone disagrees with your version or "theories" of GH, doesn't mean that what they say is "fan fiction." I disagree with almost EVERYTHING that you say (which is your OPINION), but that does NOT make my opinion or anybody else's opinion "fan fiction." I personally view someone's comments about other poster's comments being "fan fiction" as a cop-out. If a poster from a different fanbase (the JaSam fanbase) has a differing opinion than someone from the other fanbase (liason), I don't believe that it is fair for you to say that their opinion is fan-fiction. The same thing can be said about some opinions that we have read from the liason fanbase. I have even read some stuff that you wrote, GEN, where you have said things about Sam and tried to pass it off as the "truth" when in fact, it was ONLY your opinion, just like I have my opinions and Devil-or-Angel has her own opinions. No one is right and no one is wrong. We all see things differently on GH and that is ALRIGHT!! Why would we need to change something to suit our own needs? That doesn't even make sense. What need do you think we need to fulfill? This is ONLY a soap, so I am not looking to fulfill any "need" on a purely fictional show. I just watch it for the pure entertainment of it and the escapism it provides from my everyday life. I don't take everything seriously on the show and try to micro-analyze every aspect of it. I have my opinions on what is going on, but I don't try to "change" what is going on to try to "suit my own need." 
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#7718
2009/11/07 12:27PM
Re: JASON Fans ONLY Thread
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Quote magirl194: Quote katie28: once again... jason was rocking black today! lol yep. I liked the little foot tap on the grave. Yeah, there was something strange about that foot tap. It was so OOC for Jason to tap his foot on a grave. I mean, when have we EVER seen Jason tap his foot? Strange......
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#7719
2009/11/07 12:33PM
Re: JASON Fans ONLY Thread
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genhospchat |
Quote Devil-or-Angel: Gen... Do you actually have proof that this person was Sam fan in disguise? Or is that just you changing what actually happened into what fits your opinion best? (This is a serious question, not an attempt to start a fight) Well I would like to think that I don't say things to fit my opinion best but if I do in the future, I would appreciate you pointing it out because I honestly would like to make sure I'm not doing that. I try to post factually and go with what is actually happening/happened on the show so if you wouldn't mind in the future pointing that out that would be great! As for your question, yes it was admitted the next day and that posters name got banned and the thread deleted. I don't feel that I would need to make something like that up because though I may be long winded, I am truthful and wouldn't just say that for the sake of saying it. If it was just AN OPINION (regarding a poster in that type of instance I mean) and not FACT, then NO I wouldn't say it on the boards AS fact, I would word it something like "one I thought may have been a Sam fan, etc". I hope that answered your question. |
#7720
2009/11/07 12:40PM
Re: JASON Fans ONLY Thread
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Quote GHVixen: Quote genhospchat: Quote Devil-or-Angel: Quote GHVixen: Well, Esprit, you HAVE actually called Sam "the leech sucking the life out of Jason." I have read several of your posts where you say that and I will find them for you and paste them here, like you wanted GH2012 to do. I am also a little confused when you called someone a "child-endangerer"......who EXACTLY were you referring to, because there are LOTS of GH characters who endanger the lives of the children they are around, but since this is a Jason thread, I will just mention JASON as being a child endangerer. Don't get me wrong, I really LOVE the character of Jason, but let's face the facts, shall we: 1. Jason is a KILLER, therefore, ANY child that comes into contact with him is in danger of being killed. 2. Even Jason knows that he is a "child-endangerer", that is why he never wanted children of his own AND that is why he will not be a father to the son he accidentally (and drunkenly) made with liz. 3. Michael, whom Jason loves more than his own son, has had a rough life (and even been shot in the head) as a direct result of what his father and uncle Jason do for a living. Michael continues to struggle with the life he was brought up in and Jason doesn't make it any easier for him. 4. When the russian mob kidnapped liz's children last year, they did NOT know that Jake was Jason's son.....they just knew that the children's mother, liz, is a friend of Jason, so that was enough for the russian mob to kidnap the children. Just imagine how much worse it could have been, if they had known that Jake was the illegitimate son of Jason and liz. 5. Everytime Jason kills someone who is a father, he is making that child grow up fatherless, which kind of makes Jason selfish. He killed poor Alcazar for no reason (other than Sonny didn't like him) and now, Lila Rae has to grow up without her father. Jason even killed Alcazar with Lila Rae in the house, so that would make Jason a child-endangerer. 6. When Jason busted into the wrong cabin and pulled his gun on the mom with her 2 small children (when he was searching for Carly and Claudia), he could have accidentally killed one or both of those children. Then, he would have been a child-endangerer AND a child-murderer. 7. Even having Jason in the same vicinity with ANY child, makes him a child-endangerer, because Jason is ALWAYS going to be a mob target and any innocent person around him (whether it be an adult or a child and whether it be someone he knows or does not know) is in DANGER of being shot at and killed, even if that person was accidentally shot at. I could go on and on and on and on and on about Jason being a danger to ANY child, but I think you might get the message. I could also go on and on about almost everyone else on GH being a child-endangerer, but since this is a JASON ONLY thread, I decided to limit it to just Jason in this post. The mother of Jason's illegitimate son is also a child-endangerer, but if I bring up how she is, then someone will cry that I am "baiting" them since no one can be strong enough to take the truth about liz and not cry foul. I will admit something though. I have always wanted Jason to be a part of Jake's life and I thought liz was being selfish by denying Jason access to his son, but after watching the scenes where Michael killed Claudia and Jason got rid of the evidence and especially after watching him stand over Claudia's body while Max and Milo buried her, I realized just how cold, cruel and ruthless Jason can actually be. I got the shivers just watching Jason looking emotionless as Claudia's dead, lifeless body was being buried. I then realized, that I do NOT want Jason anywhere near Jake and now, I don't believe that liz is being selfish. I think liz is right to deny Jason access to Jake, because what if Jake grew up around Jason (and knew that Jason is his father) and then, he grew up and started having the exact same problems as Michael has had and continues to have? I can actually see this whole situation from a different view point now and I do believe that liz is doing the right thing, in regards to Jake. I have also, in the past, advocated for a JaSam "miracle" baby, but now, I don't know if that would be a good idea either. If Jason ever got out of the mob business, then I would love for Jason and Sam to have the baby that they have always wanted together, but since we all know that he will never give up the mob lifestyle (because he wouldn't even give it up for his OWN son), then, I don't want a JaSam baby. I love the character of Jason, but after the Claudia scenes (which were great, in a "soap" way, of course and eerie), I have seen another side of Jason that I knew was always there, but now I really feel that he is as cold and heartless as some say he is. Kudos to GH for writing and producing such a great week and kudos to Sarah Brown for an outstanding acting job when she was leaving the canvas as Claudia. Vixen, I love your post, I don't agree with EVERYTHING you said, but you just said it so well... Unlike you I do think Liz is being selfish. It's not like she didn't know who/what Jason is/does. She has known him (and according to their fans better than anyone else) for over 10 years. From the very begining she has said repeatedly that his life is too dangerous. So why did she tell him? She obviously did not have any intention of letting him be part of Jake's life, unless he left the mob. But since she knows him so well, shouldn't she have known that he doesn't really want too? Was she using Jake to try to get Jasonto change? IMO She only told Jason because she knew that that was the only way she could keep him tied to her and when it didn't work, when he didn't change for her as she hoped, she played the "your life is too dangerous" card to back him off, but yet still keep him tied to her.... Anywho, I loved your post (all of them).... Ok I'm going to try to reply to this but HOPE that people KNOW that I'm just trying to have a conversation and HOPE that I'm not going to get nasty back or "Sam is Jason's woman deal with it" because I KNOW that Jason and Sam are dating at the moment so I don't NEED to be reminded ok!? Regarding Jake, JASON is the one that's selfish BUT I UNDERSTAND why they did what they did with him. Now to answer. As was shown ONSCREEN, Liz told Jason about the baby because she thought they were going to die, not because she wanted to be linked to him forever. Again, THIS WAS SHOWN ONSCREEN so to try to change it to suit one's own "needs" is futile. As for the "danger, danger" (I love that saying for it) part, if you go back and watch again, it was JASON who started the "danger, danger" stuff and LATER Liz joined it because Jason pushed it so much. Liz NEVER asked Jason to leave the mob. Liz has ALWAYS said it's who he is and she loved ALL of him. Never ONCE did she tell Jason to leave the mob or to change. IN FACT, she has always said she likes him the way he is and doesn't want him to change a thing about himself (well hopefully SOMEBODY tells him to wear a different colour every now and again but that's for another time )As far as LIz being selfish, well I agree that she is being selfish as far as Nik and Lucky are concerned and I have NO issue calling her out on that. As far as her being selfish regarding Jason with Jake, I really don't see how that can even be said because she has been away from Jason for 11 months, hasn't contacted him, hasn't tried to tie him to obligations, hasn't asked him for ANYTHING and never has regarding Jake so unless I am watching a DIFFERENT show, which I don't think I am, these statements are pure fiction. I like that everyone else has opinions and expresses them BUT it's times like this, when stories THAT WE'VE SEEN are changed to suit what people want to admit or deny that makes things aggravating. I have been TRYING to play devil's advocate lately because I myself have seen some things that "I" have done here and am trying to change my ways but really it's hard when this type of fan fiction happens. Heck I even tried changing the subject to JASON, the point of this thread, yet the arguments still go on and yet the one's that say "I guess not all can move on" (or however it was worded) then continuously go on and on about stuff that really has NOTHING to do with ANYTHING is just exhausting. Anyways that's my schpeel and again take it as my thoughts, not an argument. Oh I'm not going to go back to all the posts to figure out who said what but the comment "leech who is sucking the life out of Jason" was ORIGINATED by that poster who was pretending to be a Liz fan but was really a Sam fan trying to cause trouble a few weeks ago (can't for the life of me remember what her fake name was but I'm sure many know who I am talking about). Now the mystery is solved and we can all move on from it and no one has to go searching for anything to try to implicate E in WHATEVER the point of finding it was (though if you know E, she is a straightshooter and no nonsense person and if she HAD originated it, she would take responsibility for it proudly). Anyways, AGAIN, I am going to try to get the conversation BACK to Jason and say AGAIN (though I don't remember exactly how I worded it the first time), "would we like to see the PH redecorated and if so, how?" Honestly, Genhospchat...It really doesn't matter who originated the "Sam is a leech comment" because Esprit has said it several times in posts in the Liason thread and THAT IS A FACT!!! And also, just because someone disagrees with your version or "theories" of GH, doesn't mean that what they say is "fan fiction." I disagree with almost EVERYTHING that you say (which is your OPINION), but that does NOT make my opinion or anybody else's opinion "fan fiction." I personally view someone's comments about other poster's comments being "fan fiction" as a cop-out. If a poster from a different fanbase (the JaSam fanbase) has a differing opinion than someone from the other fanbase (liason), I don't believe that it is fair for you to say that their opinion is fan-fiction. The same thing can be said about some opinions that we have read from the liason fanbase. I have even read some stuff that you wrote, GEN, where you have said things about Sam and tried to pass it off as the "truth" when in fact, it was ONLY your opinion, just like I have my opinions and Devil-or-Angel has her own opinions. No one is right and no one is wrong. We all see things differently on GH and that is ALRIGHT!! Why would we need to change something to suit our own needs? That doesn't even make sense. What need do you think we need to fulfill? This is ONLY a soap, so I am not looking to fulfill any "need" on a purely fictional show. I just watch it for the pure entertainment of it and the escapism it provides from my everyday life. I don't take everything seriously on the show and try to micro-analyze every aspect of it. I have my opinions on what is going on, but I don't try to "change" what is going on to try to "suit my own need." Ok I don't know how to say this without making it seem like I am calling someone out but since you asked about my comments to another, I will answer it in that way. In THAT instance, what was said was NOT what happened on the show so saying otherwise, yes it IS fan fiction. I didn't say anyone's OPINIONS were fan fiction (if you read it all again you will SEE that) but the recap that was stated there wasn't how it happened. It has nothing to do with how I see something or how someone else does, if it didn't happen, it didn't happen and to re-write the story for one's own purposes, well YES that's fan fiction. Not trying to sound rude but my comment about "fan fiction" wasn't even to you so I don't know why you are saying that you aren't trying to change what happened because I never said you were? Since it doesn't matter where this comment originated, why was E BOMBARDED with comments that she is making up names for characters, she is getting rule lessons, she is being mean by saying these things, comments of "I will find the post where you did" if it doesn't matter? I know why, because it became PROVEN that E DIDN'T start it and now there is nothing to come back with so she is now the scapegoat to whine about Sam something or other about something E didn't even originate! Doesn't that sound a bit ridiculous!? As far as E saying something in a DIFFERENT thread, what does that have to do with THIS one? She didn't say it HERE so if it is SUCH an issue, why not bring it up in THAT thread? Also, since when is calling a FAKE character a name a crime? Heck, I JUST saw Liz being called selfish, I have seen Jason being called a liar and a hypocrite, I have seen many different people called names IN THIS THREAD so what is the big deal? If someone thinks that Sam, or anyone else for that matter, is a leech (in WHATEVER context meant), so? (I happen to think ALL OF THE ABOVE to be true...and?). If someone feels that way about Sam or someone else..oh well. Why is it such a big deal? (Oh gosh I am begging, PLEASE don't come back with "Liz fans or if I called Liz something or other" because Liz and Jason haven't been together for almost a year so the comparision is really pointless and has NOTHING to do with commenting on Sam). |
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#7721
2009/11/07 12:43PM
Re: JASON Fans ONLY Thread
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Quote meowbowow: Quote ShadoeCoon I'm glad I'm not the only one wondering why they even tried a cover-up. Michael was protecting his mother and baby sis...Considering the number of people that witnessed Claudia take Carly...It really wouldn't go to trial... A DA worth it's salt would consider it Justifiable and that would be that. Alas, writers trying to make it more melodramatic than it needed to be...just like Lulu killing Logan. (yeah, I know, it's a soap, melodramatic is the special of the day... just would be nice to have simple things happen once in a while) LuLu killing Logan still makes me. Wouldn't that also have been considered justifiable homicide? ITA that what Michael did w/Claud would be just that as well. He was protecting two defenseless, innocent ppl and trying to keep her from running off w/the baby. Another crazy cover-up!! Well, if you have ever noticed, Sonny and Jason usually do try to cover up everything because even though Claudia's murder was done in order to protect Michael's mom and baby sister, the police and the DA will still try to pin charges against him (or Sonny or Jason) because THEY are in the mob and it is expected of them to kill whoever "betrays" them. I don't think there is anything out of line here, because you know as well as I do, that the PCPD and the DA's office is not going to look at ANYTHING Sonny, Jason or anyone else connected to them does, as self-defense or in the defense of another innocent person. They thought that they were doing what was best for Michael, but Jax did bring up a good point to Carly. He said that if Sonny and Jason continue to cover up Michael's crime, then it is going to haunt Michael for the rest of his life. He needs to let it out and he will definitely need psychological help, because I can NOT even imagine how heavily that is weighing on Michael. I feel so bad that the writers had to make Michael the murderer. He is way too young and innocent to have that much emotional pressure placed on him at this stage of his life. If Sonny and Jason don't watch it, then Michael is going to turn into his father.....so sad!! It breaks my heart that the writers did this to Michael. That poor kid is never going to have a normal life. Hopefully, Morgan can escape the "traps and lures" of the mob lifestyle. |
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2009/11/07 12:44PM
Re: JASON Fans ONLY Thread
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hmm, I know it sounds crazy as he!!, but maybe I'll post about loving Jason in the "Jason fans only thread". |
#7723
2009/11/07 12:45PM
Re: JASON Fans ONLY Thread
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Quote GHVixen: Quote genhospchat: Quote Devil-or-Angel: Quote GHVixen: Well, Esprit, you HAVE actually called Sam "the leech sucking the life out of Jason." I have read several of your posts where you say that and I will find them for you and paste them here, like you wanted GH2012 to do. I am also a little confused when you called someone a "child-endangerer"......who EXACTLY were you referring to, because there are LOTS of GH characters who endanger the lives of the children they are around, but since this is a Jason thread, I will just mention JASON as being a child endangerer. Don't get me wrong, I really LOVE the character of Jason, but let's face the facts, shall we: 1. Jason is a KILLER, therefore, ANY child that comes into contact with him is in danger of being killed. 2. Even Jason knows that he is a "child-endangerer", that is why he never wanted children of his own AND that is why he will not be a father to the son he accidentally (and drunkenly) made with liz. 3. Michael, whom Jason loves more than his own son, has had a rough life (and even been shot in the head) as a direct result of what his father and uncle Jason do for a living. Michael continues to struggle with the life he was brought up in and Jason doesn't make it any easier for him. 4. When the russian mob kidnapped liz's children last year, they did NOT know that Jake was Jason's son.....they just knew that the children's mother, liz, is a friend of Jason, so that was enough for the russian mob to kidnap the children. Just imagine how much worse it could have been, if they had known that Jake was the illegitimate son of Jason and liz. 5. Everytime Jason kills someone who is a father, he is making that child grow up fatherless, which kind of makes Jason selfish. He killed poor Alcazar for no reason (other than Sonny didn't like him) and now, Lila Rae has to grow up without her father. Jason even killed Alcazar with Lila Rae in the house, so that would make Jason a child-endangerer. 6. When Jason busted into the wrong cabin and pulled his gun on the mom with her 2 small children (when he was searching for Carly and Claudia), he could have accidentally killed one or both of those children. Then, he would have been a child-endangerer AND a child-murderer. 7. Even having Jason in the same vicinity with ANY child, makes him a child-endangerer, because Jason is ALWAYS going to be a mob target and any innocent person around him (whether it be an adult or a child and whether it be someone he knows or does not know) is in DANGER of being shot at and killed, even if that person was accidentally shot at. I could go on and on and on and on and on about Jason being a danger to ANY child, but I think you might get the message. I could also go on and on about almost everyone else on GH being a child-endangerer, but since this is a JASON ONLY thread, I decided to limit it to just Jason in this post. The mother of Jason's illegitimate son is also a child-endangerer, but if I bring up how she is, then someone will cry that I am "baiting" them since no one can be strong enough to take the truth about liz and not cry foul. I will admit something though. I have always wanted Jason to be a part of Jake's life and I thought liz was being selfish by denying Jason access to his son, but after watching the scenes where Michael killed Claudia and Jason got rid of the evidence and especially after watching him stand over Claudia's body while Max and Milo buried her, I realized just how cold, cruel and ruthless Jason can actually be. I got the shivers just watching Jason looking emotionless as Claudia's dead, lifeless body was being buried. I then realized, that I do NOT want Jason anywhere near Jake and now, I don't believe that liz is being selfish. I think liz is right to deny Jason access to Jake, because what if Jake grew up around Jason (and knew that Jason is his father) and then, he grew up and started having the exact same problems as Michael has had and continues to have? I can actually see this whole situation from a different view point now and I do believe that liz is doing the right thing, in regards to Jake. I have also, in the past, advocated for a JaSam "miracle" baby, but now, I don't know if that would be a good idea either. If Jason ever got out of the mob business, then I would love for Jason and Sam to have the baby that they have always wanted together, but since we all know that he will never give up the mob lifestyle (because he wouldn't even give it up for his OWN son), then, I don't want a JaSam baby. I love the character of Jason, but after the Claudia scenes (which were great, in a "soap" way, of course and eerie), I have seen another side of Jason that I knew was always there, but now I really feel that he is as cold and heartless as some say he is. Kudos to GH for writing and producing such a great week and kudos to Sarah Brown for an outstanding acting job when she was leaving the canvas as Claudia. Vixen, I love your post, I don't agree with EVERYTHING you said, but you just said it so well... Unlike you I do think Liz is being selfish. It's not like she didn't know who/what Jason is/does. She has known him (and according to their fans better than anyone else) for over 10 years. From the very begining she has said repeatedly that his life is too dangerous. So why did she tell him? She obviously did not have any intention of letting him be part of Jake's life, unless he left the mob. But since she knows him so well, shouldn't she have known that he doesn't really want too? Was she using Jake to try to get Jasonto change? IMO She only told Jason because she knew that that was the only way she could keep him tied to her and when it didn't work, when he didn't change for her as she hoped, she played the "your life is too dangerous" card to back him off, but yet still keep him tied to her.... Anywho, I loved your post (all of them).... Ok I'm going to try to reply to this but HOPE that people KNOW that I'm just trying to have a conversation and HOPE that I'm not going to get nasty back or "Sam is Jason's woman deal with it" because I KNOW that Jason and Sam are dating at the moment so I don't NEED to be reminded ok!? Regarding Jake, JASON is the one that's selfish BUT I UNDERSTAND why they did what they did with him. Now to answer. As was shown ONSCREEN, Liz told Jason about the baby because she thought they were going to die, not because she wanted to be linked to him forever. Again, THIS WAS SHOWN ONSCREEN so to try to change it to suit one's own "needs" is futile. As for the "danger, danger" (I love that saying for it) part, if you go back and watch again, it was JASON who started the "danger, danger" stuff and LATER Liz joined it because Jason pushed it so much. Liz NEVER asked Jason to leave the mob. Liz has ALWAYS said it's who he is and she loved ALL of him. Never ONCE did she tell Jason to leave the mob or to change. IN FACT, she has always said she likes him the way he is and doesn't want him to change a thing about himself (well hopefully SOMEBODY tells him to wear a different colour every now and again but that's for another time )As far as LIz being selfish, well I agree that she is being selfish as far as Nik and Lucky are concerned and I have NO issue calling her out on that. As far as her being selfish regarding Jason with Jake, I really don't see how that can even be said because she has been away from Jason for 11 months, hasn't contacted him, hasn't tried to tie him to obligations, hasn't asked him for ANYTHING and never has regarding Jake so unless I am watching a DIFFERENT show, which I don't think I am, these statements are pure fiction. I like that everyone else has opinions and expresses them BUT it's times like this, when stories THAT WE'VE SEEN are changed to suit what people want to admit or deny that makes things aggravating. I have been TRYING to play devil's advocate lately because I myself have seen some things that "I" have done here and am trying to change my ways but really it's hard when this type of fan fiction happens. Heck I even tried changing the subject to JASON, the point of this thread, yet the arguments still go on and yet the one's that say "I guess not all can move on" (or however it was worded) then continuously go on and on about stuff that really has NOTHING to do with ANYTHING is just exhausting. Anyways that's my schpeel and again take it as my thoughts, not an argument. Oh I'm not going to go back to all the posts to figure out who said what but the comment "leech who is sucking the life out of Jason" was ORIGINATED by that poster who was pretending to be a Liz fan but was really a Sam fan trying to cause trouble a few weeks ago (can't for the life of me remember what her fake name was but I'm sure many know who I am talking about). Now the mystery is solved and we can all move on from it and no one has to go searching for anything to try to implicate E in WHATEVER the point of finding it was (though if you know E, she is a straightshooter and no nonsense person and if she HAD originated it, she would take responsibility for it proudly). Anyways, AGAIN, I am going to try to get the conversation BACK to Jason and say AGAIN (though I don't remember exactly how I worded it the first time), "would we like to see the PH redecorated and if so, how?" Honestly, Genhospchat...It really doesn't matter who originated the "Sam is a leech comment" because Esprit has said it several times in posts in the Liason thread and THAT IS A FACT!!! And also, just because someone disagrees with your version or "theories" of GH, doesn't mean that what they say is "fan fiction." I disagree with almost EVERYTHING that you say (which is your OPINION), but that does NOT make my opinion or anybody else's opinion "fan fiction." I personally view someone's comments about other poster's comments being "fan fiction" as a cop-out. If a poster from a different fanbase (the JaSam fanbase) has a differing opinion than someone from the other fanbase (liason), I don't believe that it is fair for you to say that their opinion is fan-fiction. The same thing can be said about some opinions that we have read from the liason fanbase. I have even read some stuff that you wrote, GEN, where you have said things about Sam and tried to pass it off as the "truth" when in fact, it was ONLY your opinion, just like I have my opinions and Devil-or-Angel has her own opinions. No one is right and no one is wrong. We all see things differently on GH and that is ALRIGHT!! Why would we need to change something to suit our own needs? That doesn't even make sense. What need do you think we need to fulfill? This is ONLY a soap, so I am not looking to fulfill any "need" on a purely fictional show. I just watch it for the pure entertainment of it and the escapism it provides from my everyday life. I don't take everything seriously on the show and try to micro-analyze every aspect of it. I have my opinions on what is going on, but I don't try to "change" what is going on to try to "suit my own need." Vixen, I heart you more and more with every post.... BTW, in case I haven't mentioned it before I totally adore your screen name... ITA, I don't like being told that what I saw happen is wrong, because someone else chooses to see it differently... Like last year when Michael was shot and Jason ended things with Liz...and Liz wanted him to leave PC (and the mob) and take off with her and her kids...Jason refused, stating that he couldn't leave Michael, Carly and Monica. To me that was Jason saying that those people where more important to him than Liz & kids, but not everyone saw it that way. I didn't change what happend to suit my needs, that is how I interpereted what happened...others saw the same scene and said Jason was protecting Liz becuase he loved her so much. That was a WTF moment for me, because I just couldn't see how they came to that conclusion, but they did...I didn't run around accusing people of chaning things to suit their own purpose (at least I don't thnk I did)...but I could be wrong...I've been wrong before (once in 1993) 
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#7724
2009/11/07 12:49PM
Re: JASON Fans ONLY Thread
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Charming the... |
Quote Devil-or-Angel: Quote Charming the Flame: Quote Devil-or-Angel: Quote genhospchat: Quote Devil-or-Angel: I wish there as a bored/sleeping icon on this MB, I find myself needing one more and more often... I find skipping posts I'm bored with to work, instead of complaining about them. I guess the same doesn't work for everyone. Oh I do skip posts sometimes.... I try to read most of them, but sometimes a post is just so long, or it becomes dull or repetative (I love reading, but I can only read the same time over and over again so many times) that by the 2nd, 3rd or 4th paragraph you feel like you are in danger of falling asleep or that you've heard what that poster has to say way too many times... Do you really think this is the appropriate forum to critique people's posting styles? Whether there are a lot of spelling errors or repetition or whatever, this board is about the content. People want to see relies about their ideas. They are not submitting essays for ANYONE to grade. It's not very welcoming to a shy or new poster to see they might be called out for being dull, would you agree? If you read my post again you will see that I did not call anyone out as being dull or boring thou I am sure I could come with a few names off the top of my head And I certainly never gave anyone a grade...I simply replied (gave my opinion as it were) to a previous comment. And isn't that what you just did? Call some one specific out? I don't think so, but bad-post me if you think I did. I may not full understand what the term 'calling someone out' means. My heart just went out to all the lurkers and ones who might be shy to get in the mix for fear of being referred to as dull or repetitive, name mentioned or implied.
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#7725
2009/11/07 12:49PM
Re: JASON Fans ONLY Thread
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genhospchat |
Quote Devil-or-Angel: Quote Charming the Flame: Quote Devil-or-Angel: Quote genhospchat: Quote Devil-or-Angel: I wish there as a bored/sleeping icon on this MB, I find myself needing one more and more often... I find skipping posts I'm bored with to work, instead of complaining about them. I guess the same doesn't work for everyone. Oh I do skip posts sometimes.... I try to read most of them, but sometimes a post is just so long, or it becomes dull or repetative (I love reading, but I can only read the same time over and over again so many times) that by the 2nd, 3rd or 4th paragraph you feel like you are in danger of falling asleep or that you've heard what that poster has to say way too many times... Do you really think this is the appropriate forum to critique people's posting styles? Whether there are a lot of spelling errors or repetition or whatever, this board is about the content. People want to see relies about their ideas. They are not submitting essays for ANYONE to grade. It's not very welcoming to a shy or new poster to see they might be called out for being dull, would you agree? If you read my post again you will see that I did not call anyone out as being dull or boring thou I am sure I could come with a few names off the top of my head And I certainly never gave anyone a grade...I simply replied (gave my opinion as it were) to a previous comment. And isn't that what you just did? Call some one specific out? Well I can say that my posts are long winded and repetitive and I usually TRY to state that ahead of time but since MOST people know my posting styles by now, I would think if they didn't enjoy them from reading them in the past, they'd just ignore them and move onto someone else they do enjoy and not complain about them. Heck not everyone will enjoy my posts but you know what, I am ok with that because my posts don't HAVE to be read. I know many that do enjoy my posts, so cool! Is this what it's getting down to now, complaining about the way people post? There is no longer anything to discuss about THE SHOW so why not instead comment about a PERSON'S writing skills? I recall two years ago (or so) someone commented about someone's grammar and/or spelling and I felt REALLY bad for the person on the receiving end of that because they were just saying how they felt and it may not have been VISUALLY what others enjoyed, there was no reason to attack their posting style and I REALLY think it's sucky to hide behind saying a posting style is bad, without actually having to say something bad about the person themself, though making sure that dig gets in there. |
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