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#7441   2009/10/25 02:11AM
Re: JASON Fans ONLY Thread
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Quote Wishing4Liason: Gen...I am unsure how it is a loaded question to NOW have to re~examine why you love the character of Jason...because in the part it was Jason's characteristics and core that made him a rootable/lovable character to many despite his profession!! But when things change for what appears to be NO reason then you either question the outcome or you are left to perhaps NOT find the character endearing!!

Here is the point for me...Jason has done things in the past that perhaps I didn't like but I could at least understand the characters POV because the show stuck close to that core NOW that has disappeared in many ways!! Again I am NOT one to just "accept" something that gives NO reason..I like to know the why....Jason's past behavior should give the audience a line of where he is going and not some mumble jumble manure!! I don't like Jason just because he is HOT...I loved the complexity of Jason...While Jason's growth was slow it was also diliberate...I liked that but that is just my opinion!!


I think I tried to explain that I'm not just accepting it. And in reference to it being a loaded question, You're right, that is the wrong word. For some people it might be the right one, because there might be a lot to consider in order to decide whether they still love a character or not based on how he is now compared to how he used to be. But for me, I guess it isn't a loaded question. Because I still love Jason, and I don't have to consider all those things. Even if there are some differences in how he is now compared to what he used to be like, IMO, they don't outweigh the similarities. Again, just me.


See some HUGE things that were loved about Jason and why his actions are in question are that he didn't allow his loved one's to be hurt, no matter WHO it was (he went after his own brother for goodness sakes), his threats were taken seriously and meant something and his thought process was to be calm and he could see all sides of an issue and he would think things through before acting on anything and he treated those he cared about fairly but NOW he's irrational, yelling at people, wanting evidence made up (or at the very least ANYTHING, the smallest bit of evidence, no matter how insignificant to appear), is dating a woman who he not only threatened but who allowed his loved ones hurt ON PURPOSE over and over, not to mention, he accuses before getting evidence, threatens with no proof..these things ARE NOT JASON'S WAY or his characteristics!

As I said, if YOU want to think he is enough in character for you, great! I see VERY LITTLE of the old Jason in him right now and I won't just "accept" a fave being changed almost completely for NO REASON other than a storyline BUT am willing to see what comes of his upcoming storyline to explain these things and I will continue to enjoy discussing it here.

If to you that is sad, well so be it, I can live with it!


The only thing I want to address in this post is quoting me as "accepting" Jason. I know this is miniscule, but it is bothering me a little bit that everyone keeps quoting me as simply "accepting" Jason for what he is now. I've tried to explain that it is not what I'm doing. At least, not in the way that that single word implies. I'm not trying to sound disrespectful or anything, and sometimes I wish people could read the tone that other posters have when writing on the internet, because mine is completely a non-malicious one for this post, I just would rather not have the things I'm saying taken out of context.


Ok before I comment, I know that you're not being malicious or that your tone isn't malicious. That IS a problem, you are right, because people always take my tone as condescending though I just speak what I have to say, even if it's meant in a funny sort of way, I am taken the wrong way ALL THE TIME because I just shoot from the hip and speak in fact, don't beat around the bush and I am accused of intimidating people when all I do is say how I feel.

As for the part about "accepting" Jason, it is being quoted because you used that word yourself in reference. (I am going to check back to make sure)


LMAO. Its funny because, honestly, you do intimidate me sometimes.



I try to look past it and just discuss things, but it is true. But during those times, I just pretend like you are being sarcastic or something, even if you're not. And that doesn't mean that I don't enjoy posting with you. If other people can't handle it, that is their problem.

#7442   2009/10/25 02:38AM
Re: JASON Fans ONLY Thread
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Quote Wishing4Liason: Jasam09...I am just wondering exactly what is sad and unfortunate in this to you?? Is it that some of us are questioning the shows lack of cohesiveness or something else?? I am trying to folow what you mean in your above response to Gen??


TO BE CLEAR!!

I WASN'T saying that the PEOPLE are sad and unfortunate!!! I really hope it didn't come across that way. The people are not pathetic, the writers are!

It's sad and unfortunate that it has come to a point where some viewers are brought to wonder whether they still love a character or not, because of the direction the writers took with it. Direction meaning, inconsistencies with some things, not necessarily major plot points, although some of those could be considered, but smaller things that have been mentioned before. Even if it doesn't apply to me, it still is a little disheartening that the character of Jason is at a point where long=time fans don't like where he is now, or question it as out of character. They should be angry though, because it is the writers' JOBS to create a consistent character. I guess I just feel sympathetic towards those certain viewers that have to consider whether they love him or not when it wasn't their faults. It was the writers' faults. There were loyal fans that stuck with the character through a lot, and what do the writers do? They have trouble staying true to the character, thus causing some fans to question their love.

Maybe I just confused you even more, Wish and Gen, I'm not sure. But does that clear it up at all?

And Gen, I really hope you don't think I was calling you pathetic.

And to add one more thing, it is a big deal to me. If its not to you, then I'm glad you are able to get over it and remember that it is just a show and everything. I get way too sucked in sometimes, more than should be considered healthy, and in a realistic world, I would adore being able to consistently love the same characters forever, and not give up on that. So, maybe it isn't a big deal to some people, but I guess to me it is.


Thanks J09 for explaining and glad that's all figured out.

As for it being "easy" to just walk away from a character, I don't believe that's what I said. The characters didn't just change overnight, it was gradual and eventually to the point I couldn't take it anymore and I couldn't handle watching the character anymore.

I believe I am so adamant about the changes in Jason BECAUSE it has happened to my other faves in the past and since Jason has been a fave of mine from day one SBu played Jason, I don't want to see the same happen to him so I point out his inconsistencies and hope that they will make a change so that I as well as the MANY Jason fans who have left due to these changes in his character before it's too late. He is NOT one I would EVER "easily" walk away from but WILL fight for his REAL character to the finish and as you stated yourself, some of the characters you get invested in, well Jason is one that "I" am invested in and I won't sit back and watch him become something he has NEVER been JUST BECAUSE he's Jason. After 30 years of watching GH, I have seen some of my faves turn into something I can't relate to and well, I guess I'm emotionally invested in Jason and THAT'S the reason I won't accept a substitute because this is NOT Jason!


Okay, thanks for saying those things. It actually sort of felt like a mini-pep talk towards the end, and I LOVED IT!! I'm glad we had this discussion. But, It has made me extremely tired. So I'm going to call it a night. Hope the rest of your night is a good one!

p.s. I can't wait to have a discussion about JJ's reentrance and whether or not they are writing him out of character. Should we consider him out of character if he doesn't act like GV's or JY's Lucky, or is he OOC if he doesn't act the way he did before he died? That will be a good one.


I just wanted to add to my feelings about Jason. Jason is a character I've seen "grow" on the show. I saw him go from a teen to becoming a man to becoming Jason Morgan from Jason Q so I have seen all that he has been through and it has been explained why he has become who he is and to me THAT is why I am invested in him. He has been SHOWN why he is the way he is and given reasons for his changes and they have never been "just because" or for the sake of a storyline. This is why this sudden change makes me and many others say "hmm, what is wrong with Jason, this isn't right."

As for Lucky, hmm, we are talking about different ACTORS here and THEY'RE way of making Lucky. I could go with "it's what was written for them" but ALL the characters are written for so I'm not sure that's necessarily ALL it is. For JY, YES OF COURSE he was written differently for awhile because the character was brainwashed but there they gave a REASON for him being that way.

I also have always said that I have had a hard time in seeing anyone but JJ in that role and have ALWAYS said (aside from the brainwashing) that Lucky was OOC because the way of portraying him was just different (no offense to the other actors). Will I judge Lucky being OOC with JJ back in the role, well if he acts differently than he did back when he WAS Lucky, then THAT is how I will interpret him, because to me JJ IS Lucky and his portayal is the only one that I can see as the TRUE Lucky and for me, the only one to compare from (though on the same hand, the character IS a different character so I am HOPING that the spunky Lucky of before will be brought back by JJ's portrayal...again, no offense to the other actors).

I hope that made sense because it IS late and I am not sure if that came out right as I am starting to see double lol.

On that note, I am off as well. Good night J09 and Wish!

#7443   2009/10/25 02:48AM
Re: JASON Fans ONLY Thread
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Quote Jasam09:
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Quote Wishing4Liason: Gen...I am unsure how it is a loaded question to NOW have to re~examine why you love the character of Jason...because in the part it was Jason's characteristics and core that made him a rootable/lovable character to many despite his profession!! But when things change for what appears to be NO reason then you either question the outcome or you are left to perhaps NOT find the character endearing!!

Here is the point for me...Jason has done things in the past that perhaps I didn't like but I could at least understand the characters POV because the show stuck close to that core NOW that has disappeared in many ways!! Again I am NOT one to just "accept" something that gives NO reason..I like to know the why....Jason's past behavior should give the audience a line of where he is going and not some mumble jumble manure!! I don't like Jason just because he is HOT...I loved the complexity of Jason...While Jason's growth was slow it was also diliberate...I liked that but that is just my opinion!!


I think I tried to explain that I'm not just accepting it. And in reference to it being a loaded question, You're right, that is the wrong word. For some people it might be the right one, because there might be a lot to consider in order to decide whether they still love a character or not based on how he is now compared to how he used to be. But for me, I guess it isn't a loaded question. Because I still love Jason, and I don't have to consider all those things. Even if there are some differences in how he is now compared to what he used to be like, IMO, they don't outweigh the similarities. Again, just me.


See some HUGE things that were loved about Jason and why his actions are in question are that he didn't allow his loved one's to be hurt, no matter WHO it was (he went after his own brother for goodness sakes), his threats were taken seriously and meant something and his thought process was to be calm and he could see all sides of an issue and he would think things through before acting on anything and he treated those he cared about fairly but NOW he's irrational, yelling at people, wanting evidence made up (or at the very least ANYTHING, the smallest bit of evidence, no matter how insignificant to appear), is dating a woman who he not only threatened but who allowed his loved ones hurt ON PURPOSE over and over, not to mention, he accuses before getting evidence, threatens with no proof..these things ARE NOT JASON'S WAY or his characteristics!

As I said, if YOU want to think he is enough in character for you, great! I see VERY LITTLE of the old Jason in him right now and I won't just "accept" a fave being changed almost completely for NO REASON other than a storyline BUT am willing to see what comes of his upcoming storyline to explain these things and I will continue to enjoy discussing it here.

If to you that is sad, well so be it, I can live with it!


The only thing I want to address in this post is quoting me as "accepting" Jason. I know this is miniscule, but it is bothering me a little bit that everyone keeps quoting me as simply "accepting" Jason for what he is now. I've tried to explain that it is not what I'm doing. At least, not in the way that that single word implies. I'm not trying to sound disrespectful or anything, and sometimes I wish people could read the tone that other posters have when writing on the internet, because mine is completely a non-malicious one for this post, I just would rather not have the things I'm saying taken out of context.


Ok before I comment, I know that you're not being malicious or that your tone isn't malicious. That IS a problem, you are right, because people always take my tone as condescending though I just speak what I have to say, even if it's meant in a funny sort of way, I am taken the wrong way ALL THE TIME because I just shoot from the hip and speak in fact, don't beat around the bush and I am accused of intimidating people when all I do is say how I feel.

As for the part about "accepting" Jason, it is being quoted because you used that word yourself in reference. (I am going to check back to make sure)


LMAO. Its funny because, honestly, you do intimidate me sometimes.



I try to look past it and just discuss things, but it is true. But during those times, I just pretend like you are being sarcastic or something, even if you're not. And that doesn't mean that I don't enjoy posting with you. If other people can't handle it, that is their problem.


Gosh please don't be intimidated by me because I am just a person as you are and everyone else is. I CERTAINLY don't feel I am any better than anyone (gosh if you knew me in real life you would know that RIGHT AWAY as I am the type to see the good in everyone, even if I have to dig REALLY deep to find it) and I don't MEAN to come off that way on here. As I said, I just speak how I feel in a factual way and I like to debate and discuss (the man in my life will tell you that RIGHT AWAY as well lol) and if that's intimidating to you, please try not to feel that way.

It's great that you try to take it a different way because how you are taking it is PROBABLY how I am meaning it and it IS hard on the computer to know one's feelings or tone. I am one if I think someone says something silly or out there or have no idea what they are talking about or WHATEVER, I'll say it straight out, I won't beat around the bush with comments that cover up what I mean so please take what I am saying as I just speak my mind and mean no harm!

#7444   2009/10/25 03:12AM
Re: JASON Fans ONLY Thread
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Quote esprit: OT .. since I am still hung up on Ali's avi - I wonder when Scott goes to LA for GH taping (in Dec), will he stay with the Burtons or at "Uncle Steve's room" at Becky's house!




His family is from there. He'll most likely stay at their house I would think. Parents. He's also really close with Christopher St. John (who btw is now single again) or maybe he'll rent his own place. They homeschool their kids so maybe all of them will go to LA. Follow him on twitter at @reevesforreal That's where I got the pic. He was on there and said...dinner w friends and attached that pic.

#7445   2009/10/25 05:09AM
Re: JASON Fans ONLY Thread
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Okay before I get into my book long comments (yes, go pee and get a cup of coffee )...

I am still seeing my Greg Vaughan avi and most of you are seeing my new avi (Steve and Scott) and one of you said you are still seeing my "Johnson" avi...oy these avi's are crazy.

Now...first and foremost...the part at the carnival when Jason missed ALL of his shots...I took away from that scene (the first part) that the writers were trying to make some sort of lame joke or humorous scene. They established beforehand with Sonny, Alexis, Morgan and Molly that the guns sites were screwy or something because Sonny told Coleman that he should mix a little charity with discretion and then Coleman adjusted the scope.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rd0S0ZWRCqM

start at the 2:30 mark.

However, Jason then pulling his gun (his REAL gun with REAL bullets) was not funny.

And yet, I still feel that was simply the writers trying to make some lame joke. And for Jason to pull his gun was not something he would normally do. Years ago Jason just pulled his gun on Lily's fathers lawyers and Sonny admonished Jason about NEVER doing something like that. Don't pull your gun unless you HAVE TO.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkVmF_vLiTE


Yet over time, certainly Jason has grown and changed but not THAT much where it comes to certain things. It's been drilled into viewers head that Jason thinks differently. He likes the code of Sonny's life, he understands it. Therefore the rules of that code, he would always follow. He made his decisions long ago and that doesn't just go away. He has said that many times. He chose this life long ago. He knows it, he understands it. He thrives and is considered successful in "his" life or "that" life. So to pull his gun like that...well like I said...the writers did a disservice to us but I think it was simply a lame joke. (Not to mention the fact that the expert marksman that can shoot a cable in the air to let loose a statue flying via helicopter over Sonny's property could most CERTAINLY adjust his shot for a faulty site on a toy gun)

Now...Jason being written out of character. I realize that some think he isn't. Some think he is but aren't so much upset by it and some people think he is and are not happy with it. I am one of the latter.

The reason I'm not happy with it is because it seems as if the writers are saying...this long time character...well we want something different now and instead of writing a well written, well developed story as to how this character drastically changes, we're just going to flip his character on its ear and you guys just need to accept it. Because we said so.

I want to think that the writers are smarter than that and realize that we, as the audience, are smarter than that. And that they respect us enough and want our viewership enough to come up with something plausible for why he has acted differently.

Now...some of the theories out there?...well...I don't think that they are plausible. But then again, this is a soap opera and if we don't take them with a HUGE grain of salt for the unreal and unbelievable then But I would still like to see some well developed explanation as to why he would behave that way.

And they HAVE to flat out explain it fully. Not just some line mentioned so as to tie up the explanation in a nice pretty little bow as if it were a "gift" from the writers to the audience.

"I'm different because I lost everything so now I don't care. I've just given up and now I just accept anything."

Well that's all well and good but essentially that tells and shows the viewers nothing.

Same goes with JJ/Lucky...because it was mentioned. I didn't watch when JJ was on before so if this kinder, gentler, SMARTER Lucky shows up next month...well I won't like him either.

Why?

Because they have written this guy so differently in the past few years. Viewers spend 5 hours out of their week with these characters. if Lucky were suddenly to be unselfish. Not reacting like "why me" or being needy with Elizabeth and all...well to me it would ruin the character.


Heck...the writers always have the easy outs on these type things and let's face it...they don't get the positions they get writing for these shows and not have talent, brains and a handle on the genre to an extent.

So...if they cart these characters off to the funny farm (ala Carly Roberts Quartermaine Corinthos Corinthos Alcazar Corinthos Jax ~ did I get them all?) or allude and show a severe issue (ala Monica becoming a heavy drinker, it comes to a head and she goes to re-hab) or brain washing (Lucky when he came back) or flat out slamming their head against a rock (Jason Q to Jason M) then it goes to at least show WHY the character has so drastically changed and they could write them from there. Not so much a clean slate but a cleaner one.

Yet to just make a blanket statement "I was lost" or "I'm not myself" or "I've changed" doesn't fly with me. Nor does it fly with many other viewers, I would imagine. Especially not with established characters.

New characters they can do that to. Matt is a prime example. He came on and apparently was doing something dirty cause he needed money. Now he's just Pat's little bro that's a budding genius DRAKE surgeon.

If Edward suddenly liked dogs and wanted to volunteer to help others at the hospital we would all be like or better yet because we would wonder where Edward Q that WE know went.

Yet in the end...everyone watches soaps differently. Some more critically than others. Some haven't watched as long so they don't see the really BIG changes. Some, like I said, are so happy with the storyline right now that they don't care that the character was changed to facilitate the storyline currently playing out. Some assume in their mind that there's logic behind it that just wasn't played out on screen. Some see it as character growth. Some are completely frustrated to the point of stopping watching or not liking the character anymore.

Which ever one you are...its all good. Healthy debate allows all sides of the coin to be shown. Everyone gets to walk away from it how they see it.

I simply think the guy is incredibly hot!!!! I don't like the unexplained character change over the past year but I like seeing him on my screen.

But again...when Ryan McNeil...errrr Steven Webber shows up....all bets are off. I'm just glad they found someone else for me to lust since they got rid of Mr. Hottie Greg Vaughan. One thing for sure, GH NEEDS to have the correct quota of HOT GUYS to balance the violence and the total distruction/disrespect it tends to show women or their likeness. Cause let's face it...you either have to be needy, neurotic, bossy, drunk, sleazy or stupid. You cannot be a well rounded, well grounded character and be female on GH. Diane comes closest.

So the HOT GUY quota MUST remain high!!!!

#7446   2009/10/25 07:44AM
Re: JASON Fans ONLY Thread
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J09- i can simplify everything for you very easily in regards to jason. the truth is... the whole truth.... people are upset because jason is with sam. that's the bottom line... because i know.... I DEFINITELY WITHOUT A DOUBT KNOW that if jason were doing all of these "ooc" things, but he was still with elizabeth... there would be no debate. there would be NO... jason is so ooc... he must be jerry or on drugs. that's it. it's a fact. and it doesn't matter to me what anyone says about my comment, because i, like many other posters on this board... KNOW THIS IS TRUE!

#7447   2009/10/25 09:16AM
Re: JASON Fans ONLY Thread
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Quote katie28: J09- i can simplify everything for you very easily in regards to jason. the truth is... the whole truth.... people are upset because jason is with sam. that's the bottom line... because i know.... I DEFINITELY WITHOUT A DOUBT KNOW that if jason were doing all of these "ooc" things, but he was still with elizabeth... there would be no debate. there would be NO... jason is so ooc... he must be jerry or on drugs. that's it. it's a fact. and it doesn't matter to me what anyone says about my comment, because i, like many other posters on this board... KNOW THIS IS TRUE!


Oh lord, I LOVE THE JERRY theory!!!! lol. I really want to know who came up with that idea, because it is so brilliant!

It would make SOOOO much sense!

#7448   2009/10/25 09:20AM
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Well, there are VERY different opinions about Jason being written OOC, personally, I don't think he is, but that's not to say that other people can't think that. I have noticed Jason is smiling more and doing more things out in the open. I don't think that the things he is doing are out of character. Maybe the writers are "broadening his horizons". Meaning, when he first started doing things after his brain damage and such, he was a shell. He pretty much did anything Sonny asked him to, without really a second guess or question. Now, I think he is realizing that Sonny isn't all knowing that the past few years, Sonny has turned into an even bigger pig, and he "retaliates" when it is good for him. Jason is finally opening up. Well, if I didn't confuse you, I am surprised, because I am pretty confused myself right now. Basically, there are different opinions, and no one can change some else's. Though, I sort of agree with Katie. Oh well, goodbye ladies, enjoy your Sunday. (:

PS. I love Jason Morgan. (:

#7449   2009/10/25 10:35AM
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Quote alikat: Ahhh yes...but here's the crux Katie...and I could either go way back in the threads or wait it out. The flip side of the coin will be or was when Jason WAS and in the future WILL BE AGAIN with Elizabeth...exactly how will the Jasam fans feel about Jason.

Pointing it out adds the fuel. The igniters in your statement I DEFINITELY WITHOUT A DOUBT KNOW could start this thread into a blaze again. Jasam09, Wish and Gen all worked through their thoughts and comments over and over last night finally coming to a conclusion that they each took things said by the other out of context. They each unintentionally fueled the other.

But in the end, they were all fine.

Yet popping in pulling out the Jasam vs Liason card could potentially pull those that DON'T debate but DO "feud".

Now my comments to you aren't meant to be mean or cruel...I'm just pointing out how sometimes its this kind of fuel that starts the blaze in even the most even temepered of the posters. KNOW THIS IS TRUE!!

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO to hopefully stop this...

Snickers to you!!!


I'm not going to get into that actual debate over the pairings and their relations to characters being OOC, but I think it was okay for Katie to bring up that point. We are all having discussion of the topic OOC in general, and our reasons for initially discussing it. I think that if we are talking about this, and bringing up different reasons we think he is OOC or reasons we think OOC even exists or not, it is okay to recognize the aspects that happen to involve the pairings. And you are definitely right.

Any time any one brings up a Liason/Jasam comment, it will inevibelty fuel someone else's fire. That is going to be hard to avoid no matter what. And you are certainly right, the question of OOC could easily come up in the future for the Jasam fans if Liason happened again. But, I think Katie knows that. This post isn't about me fueling anyone else's argument on the other side of things, although I'm sure it will for some people, I just felt like saying that I think it should be allowed for Katie to freely state a core reason why the OOC debate happens, because, let's face it, it is partially true. Just as it would be if the situation was reversed, like you said.

And thanks, Alikat, for the comment about Gen, Wish, and I working things out. There was a bit of confusion in there at some point, but we eventually figured out what the other was trying to say. That is why I think it was a good discussion. I'm glad some people could objectively see that.

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#7450   2009/10/25 10:52AM
Re: JASON Fans ONLY Thread
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Quote alikat: Ahhh yes...but here's the crux Katie...and I could either go way back in the threads or wait it out. The flip side of the coin will be or was when Jason WAS and in the future WILL BE AGAIN with Elizabeth...exactly how will the Jasam fans feel about Jason.

Pointing it out adds the fuel. The igniters in your statement I DEFINITELY WITHOUT A DOUBT KNOW could start this thread into a blaze again. Jasam09, Wish and Gen all worked through their thoughts and comments over and over last night finally coming to a conclusion that they each took things said by the other out of context. They each unintentionally fueled the other.

But in the end, they were all fine.

Yet popping in pulling out the Jasam vs Liason card could potentially pull those that DON'T debate but DO "feud".

Now my comments to you aren't meant to be mean or cruel...I'm just pointing out how sometimes its this kind of fuel that starts the blaze in even the most even tempered of the posters. KNOW THIS IS TRUE!!

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO to hopefully stop this...

Snickers to you!!!


i wasn't trying to fuel anything, but i am calling things the way that I see them. i didn't read any of the posts before this, because they pretty much just repeat the same things over and over again.. as do i. i was summing up what it all really means, because let's face it... it is true. if jason were doing these things while with elizabeth, half of the things and theories would not even be said. and i am not saying that anyone is wrong for doing so. they have every right to feel the way they do, but in my opinion things are made way more complicated than they need be. just say what is meant instead of everything but.

as a jasam and jason fan... i can only speak for MYSELF. jason really wasn't ooc when he was with liz. he was just boring, imo. and as for if and when jason and liz get back together... i've already said.. i don't care. i know my couple is not going to last forever... they never do. that's a fact. a fact i have come to accept... just as i will accept it when jason and sam do break up and jason chooses to be with elizabeth once again. it's the cycle of the soap. i have no delusions about that. i don't sit there watching with rose colored glasses, hoping for some crazy explanation as to why jason is acting the way he is. it is what it is. and i'm not even saying that all of these theories are impossible, because nothing is impossible on a soap. and if jason turns out to be jerry or he is being drugged or something like that... i wouldn't be completely shocked. and i will just go with it. you have to expect the unexpected. however, if one of these things end up being true...and jason still doesn't go back to elizabeth.... and he stays with sam.... then what?????

alikat- thanks for the snickers! i actually just bought some at target! lol

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#7451   2009/10/25 10:57AM
Re: JASON Fans ONLY Thread
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Quote katie28:
Quote alikat: Ahhh yes...but here's the crux Katie...and I could either go way back in the threads or wait it out. The flip side of the coin will be or was when Jason WAS and in the future WILL BE AGAIN with Elizabeth...exactly how will the Jasam fans feel about Jason.

Pointing it out adds the fuel. The igniters in your statement I DEFINITELY WITHOUT A DOUBT KNOW could start this thread into a blaze again. Jasam09, Wish and Gen all worked through their thoughts and comments over and over last night finally coming to a conclusion that they each took things said by the other out of context. They each unintentionally fueled the other.

But in the end, they were all fine.

Yet popping in pulling out the Jasam vs Liason card could potentially pull those that DON'T debate but DO "feud".

Now my comments to you aren't meant to be mean or cruel...I'm just pointing out how sometimes its this kind of fuel that starts the blaze in even the most even tempered of the posters. KNOW THIS IS TRUE!!

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO to hopefully stop this...

Snickers to you!!!


i wasn't trying to fuel anything, but i am calling things the way that I see them. i didn't read any of the posts before this, because they pretty much just repeat the same things over and over again.. as do i. i was summing up what it all really means, because let's face it... it is true. if jason were doing these things while with elizabeth, half of the things and theories would not even be said. and i am not saying that anyone is wrong for doing so. they have every right to feel the way they do, but in my opinion things are made way more complicated than they need be. just say what is meant instead of everything but.

as a jasam and jason fan... i can only speak for MYSELF. jason really wasn't ooc when he was with liz. he was just boring, imo. and as for if and when jason and liz get back together... i've already said.. i don't care. i know my couple is not going to last forever... they never do. that's a fact. a fact i have come to accept... just as i will accept it when jason and sam do break up and jason chooses to be with elizabeth once again. it's the cycle of the soap. i have no delusions about that. i don't sit there watching with rose colored glasses, hoping for some crazy explanation as to why jason is acting the way he is. it is what it is. and i'm not even saying that all of these theories are impossible, because nothing is impossible on a soap. and if jason turns out to be jerry or he is being drugged or something like that... i wouldn't be completely shocked. and i will just go with it. you have to expect the unexpected. however, if one of these things end up being true...and jason still doesn't go back to elizabeth.... and he stays with sam.... then what?????

alikat- thanks for the snickers! i actually just bought some at target! lol


Do you like how we just basically said the exact same sentence?

Katie: "i was summing up what it all really means, because let's face it... it is true."

Jasam09: "I just felt like saying that I think it should be allowed for Katie to freely state a core reason why the OOC debate happens, because, let's face it, it is partially true."

#7452   2009/10/25 11:02AM
Re: JASON Fans ONLY Thread
alikat
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Jasam09...the post left no doubt because it stated "there would be no ooc debate" which actually fueled me. I am very objective and I feel he's acting ooc. That was what I was alluding to.

I should have just stated it plainly. I feel the post flat out slighted me to lump me in with others that the poster does not care for on this board. I addressed the poster. I suppose I should have emailed the poster. Maybe it was unintentional. I doubt it...I think the poster just intended different targets.

The post didn't "involve" pairings. It stated that the truth "the only truth" as "it is fact" is that those of us that think Jason is acting out of character is ONLY because he's with Sam and we won't think that way or wouldn't think that way if he were paired with Elizabeth.

I take offense to that.

BUT...I have enjoyed posting with Katie. I just do not happen to agree with the statements of that post.

#7453   2009/10/25 11:08AM
Re: JASON Fans ONLY Thread
alikat
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Quote katie28: alikat- thanks for the snickers! i actually just bought some at target! lol


Cripes...Snickers Ice Cream Bars sound so yummy. I have Ben and Jerry's Peanut Butter Cup Icecream. It's yummy too. I'll just stick to it because the Lord knows that I DO NOT need to go buy more icecream. LOL

#7454   2009/10/25 11:26AM
Re: JASON Fans ONLY Thread
katie28
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Quote alikat: Jasam09...the post left no doubt because it stated "there would be no ooc debate" which actually fueled me. I am very objective and I feel he's acting ooc. That was what I was alluding to.

I should have just stated it plainly. I feel the post flat out slighted me to lump me in with others that the poster does not care for on this board. I addressed the poster. I suppose I should have emailed the poster. Maybe it was unintentional. I doubt it...I think the poster just intended different targets.

The post didn't "involve" pairings. It stated that the truth "the only truth" as "it is fact" is that those of us that think Jason is acting out of character is ONLY because he's with Sam and we won't think that way or wouldn't think that way if he were paired with Elizabeth.

I take offense to that.

BUT...I have enjoyed posting with Katie. I just do not happen to agree with the statements of that post.


i apologize for offending you. i should have said it is the CORE reason... not the only reason. half of these debates wouldn't occur if the shoe was on the other foot...imo.

#7455   2009/10/25 11:26AM
Re: JASON Fans ONLY Thread
katie28
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Quote alikat:
Quote katie28: alikat- thanks for the snickers! i actually just bought some at target! lol


Cripes...Snickers Ice Cream Bars sound so yummy. I have Ben and Jerry's Peanut Butter Cup Icecream. It's yummy too. I'll just stick to it because the Lord knows that I DO NOT need to go buy more icecream. LOL


lol... i like coffee heath bar crunch!

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