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Poor Jason
Started by generalhospital2012 at 2009/11/02 08:34AMLatest post: 2009/11/03 01:02PM, Views: 735, Replies: 27
#11
2009/11/03 05:41AM
Re: Poor Jason
generalhospi... |
Quote former-gher: Quote JaneDoe: Quote genhospchat: Quote generalhospital2012: ): He just can't seem to win these days... He gets hell from people for not shooting Claudia, in a room full of people; but he received it for pulling out a gun, at the carnival... Oh well, he is still just as fine as ever in my eyes(: I bet today will be a great episode, to bad i am in school... :// This thread was not meant to start an argument or anything,!! Who gave him he!! for not shooting Claudia? The fact that he even pulled a gun at the carnival OR in the MC was RIDICULOUS! Let me rephrase that...the fact that Sonny waited until that point to confront Claudia, she being a KNOWN mobster herself, causing Jason to pull his gun in from of a room full of people who have NOTHING to do with this, is RIDICULOUS! I think they BOTH have lost their marbles and it's time the Corinthos-Morgan Organization went on a LONG vacation and came back to the apparently mob free PC (there's only EVER mob trouble when Sonny opens his mouth) because aside from AZ wanted to off Claudia, there hasn't been any mob trouble for awhile. Here's an idea, how about bringing the Q's back upfront and putting the mob to the back!  There are some posts in the Jason Fan thread about Jason not shooting Claudia.....apparently he's such a good shot that he should have taken Claudia out while she was holding Carly in a room full of innocent people. That's what the REAL Jason would do.  It's just a soap. Oh good Lord. Do you seriously need it spelled out to you? I was making fun of SUPER JASON. He who can shoot anything and anyone and never suffer any consequences. Nuance, irony, sarcasm, they are subtleties of the English language. Some of the people in the Jason fans thread actually got that. Move on. Please.  
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#12
2009/11/03 06:07AM
Re: Poor Jason
JaneDoe |
Quote former-gher: Quote JaneDoe: Quote genhospchat: Quote generalhospital2012: ): He just can't seem to win these days... He gets hell from people for not shooting Claudia, in a room full of people; but he received it for pulling out a gun, at the carnival... Oh well, he is still just as fine as ever in my eyes(: I bet today will be a great episode, to bad i am in school... :// This thread was not meant to start an argument or anything,!! Who gave him he!! for not shooting Claudia? The fact that he even pulled a gun at the carnival OR in the MC was RIDICULOUS! Let me rephrase that...the fact that Sonny waited until that point to confront Claudia, she being a KNOWN mobster herself, causing Jason to pull his gun in from of a room full of people who have NOTHING to do with this, is RIDICULOUS! I think they BOTH have lost their marbles and it's time the Corinthos-Morgan Organization went on a LONG vacation and came back to the apparently mob free PC (there's only EVER mob trouble when Sonny opens his mouth) because aside from AZ wanted to off Claudia, there hasn't been any mob trouble for awhile. Here's an idea, how about bringing the Q's back upfront and putting the mob to the back! There are some posts in the Jason Fan thread about Jason not shooting Claudia.....apparently he's such a good shot that he should have taken Claudia out while she was holding Carly in a room full of innocent people. That's what the REAL Jason would do. It's just a soap. Oh good Lord. Do you seriously need it spelled out to you? I was making fun of SUPER JASON. He who can shoot anything and anyone and never suffer any consequences. Nuance, irony, sarcasm, they are subtleties of the English language. Some of the people in the Jason fans thread actually got that. Move on. Please. Wow, getting a little personal don't you think? I guess I need it spelled out for me because what I see is a multitude of digs at Jason lately and it seems nothing he does can satisfy some people. If it was a one time thing I could see the "Nuance, irony, sarcasm, they are subtleties of the English language" that you so kindly pointed out to me because Lord knows I must be too stupid to know these things. But since this seems to be a pattern of Jason bashing I think my comments defending Jason were perfectly warranted. It's just a soap! |
#13
2009/11/03 06:08AM
Re: Poor Jason
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JaneDoe |
Quote CarlylovesSonny: I completely agree! Jason can't win. If I hear another out of character argument i will scream!! lol Writers shape characters the way they want them to be. When they do something that fans agree with then they are in character. However, when they do something that upset us then they are out of character. I would argue that soap characters are like humans. They have a central identity, but they make mistakes and they change. If character stayed the same over the years, that character would become boring. Carly has changed and most agree that she has matured. If she was the same person that she was with Sonny or SB's Carly, then she would drive a lot of people crazy. Recently on the boards, I have heard how much more we like Carly now that she is mature and away from Sonny. It's okay for Carly to change or develop, but not Jason? The "out of character" actions of various characters make them interesting. It shocks, upsets and makes us cheer for them. No one likes when people put Liz in a box. She has many sides and she can be a ride or die chick too. When people argue that Liz is cowardly, her fans get angry. They point out all of these times when she has supported Jason or gone head to head with Sonny. I could respond and say these actions are out of character for the timid, people pleaser Liz, but I won't because I recognize that Liz has various dimensions and the out of character actions make her loved by her fans. Jason does things that upset us and he does things that make us happy. His character hasn't changed. To me he's become more human. He has more dimensions. Excellent post! The OOC excuse is getting stale. |
#14
2009/11/03 07:02AM
Re: Poor Jason
Nightmoves |
Quote former-gher: Quote JaneDoe: Quote genhospchat: Quote generalhospital2012: ): He just can't seem to win these days... He gets hell from people for not shooting Claudia, in a room full of people; but he received it for pulling out a gun, at the carnival... Oh well, he is still just as fine as ever in my eyes(: I bet today will be a great episode, to bad i am in school... :// This thread was not meant to start an argument or anything,!! Who gave him he!! for not shooting Claudia? The fact that he even pulled a gun at the carnival OR in the MC was RIDICULOUS! Let me rephrase that...the fact that Sonny waited until that point to confront Claudia, she being a KNOWN mobster herself, causing Jason to pull his gun in from of a room full of people who have NOTHING to do with this, is RIDICULOUS! I think they BOTH have lost their marbles and it's time the Corinthos-Morgan Organization went on a LONG vacation and came back to the apparently mob free PC (there's only EVER mob trouble when Sonny opens his mouth) because aside from AZ wanted to off Claudia, there hasn't been any mob trouble for awhile. Here's an idea, how about bringing the Q's back upfront and putting the mob to the back! There are some posts in the Jason Fan thread about Jason not shooting Claudia.....apparently he's such a good shot that he should have taken Claudia out while she was holding Carly in a room full of innocent people. That's what the REAL Jason would do. It's just a soap. Oh good Lord. Do you seriously need it spelled out to you? I was making fun of SUPER JASON. He who can shoot anything and anyone and never suffer any consequences. Nuance, irony, sarcasm, they are subtleties of the English language. Some of the people in the Jason fans thread actually got that. Move on. Please. ABSOLUTELY NO need to be rude to JaneDoe. There were other posters in the Jason thread alluding to the "REAL" Jason, not just yours. I have re-read the posts and they sure didn't sound like sarcasm to me
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#15
2009/11/03 07:39AM
Re: Poor Jason
alikat |
I think that this thread was started to get an argument going. I haven't read all of the posts simply because I don't care to. |
#16
2009/11/03 07:46AM
Re: Poor Jason
clalvis |
Quote alikat: I think that this thread was started to get an argument going. I haven't read all of the posts simply because I don't care to. I'm shocked by a few that I thought were more neutral viewers in the Liason / Jasam argument. However, who cares. Like who you wanna...it's all good. And yet my only statement is this. Sarcasm or not, irony or not. Those who think Jason is NOT acting out of character have that right. They are humans, they have their own brain and unlike a computer, that brain perceives things in a way unique to that person. Be it due to influence, desires, likes, dislikes, history, knowledge, etc... But that does not mean that those that DO THINK that Jason is acting out of character are wrong for the way they are thinking. Just like those that think he's the "real" Jason, those that call him "OOC" Jason have their own brains that have perceived him that way. It is not bashing to say that Jason is acting different. That he's not acting himself or that a fan of his doesn't like what he's doing. So some think "Poor Jason" can't catch a break from his fans. Well some are just fans that don't feel the NEED to go with the flow, accept everything as it's shown. Things can change on a dime on a Soap Opera. But fans have the right to question it, debate it (which is the point of this MB) and not be criticized by those that don't agree or simply want to "go with the flow". Everyone here has rights. Not just the fans that feel one way or the other. Thanks Alikat...You are the voice of reason.  (no sarcasm)
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#17
2009/11/03 07:52AM
Re: Poor Jason
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JaneDoe |
Quote alikat: I think that this thread was started to get an argument going. I haven't read all of the posts simply because I don't care to. I'm shocked by a few that I thought were more neutral viewers in the Liason / Jasam argument. However, who cares. Like who you wanna...it's all good. And yet my only statement is this. Sarcasm or not, irony or not. Those who think Jason is NOT acting out of character have that right. They are humans, they have their own brain and unlike a computer, that brain perceives things in a way unique to that person. Be it due to influence, desires, likes, dislikes, history, knowledge, etc... But that does not mean that those that DO THINK that Jason is acting out of character are wrong for the way they are thinking. Just like those that think he's the "real" Jason, those that call him "OOC" Jason have their own brains that have perceived him that way. It is not bashing to say that Jason is acting different. That he's not acting himself or that a fan of his doesn't like what he's doing. So some think "Poor Jason" can't catch a break from his fans. Well some are just fans that don't feel the NEED to go with the flow, accept everything as it's shown. Things can change on a dime on a Soap Opera. But fans have the right to question it, debate it (which is the point of this MB) and not be criticized by those that don't agree or simply want to "go with the flow". Everyone here has rights. Not just the fans that feel one way or the other. I agree with this alikat to a certain extent. Not sure if it was my post you were shocked by or not, but I simply answered a question from Gen as to who was giving Jason hell and I received a very rude response in return. Everyone DOES have a right to their opinion, but I think it's fair to conclude that in some people's eye Jason can do no right. Is that OK that some people feel that way? Sure, but it should be expected that the opinion of Jason's actions will be debated. It's certainly debated when someone has the opinion that Sam should be redeemed or that Jason should never forgive Sam or Claudia is not a crazy psychopath, LOL. All opinions are up for debate, that IS the point of the board. So it's OK for people to point out that Jason cannot do anything right, just as it's OK for people to disagree with that. Respect is the key word here and I think there are many people on BOTH sides of the argument that lack that completely.
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#18
2009/11/03 08:08AM
Re: Poor Jason
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generalhospi... |
Quote alikat: I think that this thread was started to get an argument going. I haven't read all of the posts simply because I don't care to. I'm shocked by a few that I thought were more neutral viewers in the Liason / Jasam argument. However, who cares. Like who you wanna...it's all good. And yet my only statement is this. Sarcasm or not, irony or not. Those who think Jason is NOT acting out of character have that right. They are humans, they have their own brain and unlike a computer, that brain perceives things in a way unique to that person. Be it due to influence, desires, likes, dislikes, history, knowledge, etc... But that does not mean that those that DO THINK that Jason is acting out of character are wrong for the way they are thinking. Just like those that think he's the "real" Jason, those that call him "OOC" Jason have their own brains that have perceived him that way. It is not bashing to say that Jason is acting different. That he's not acting himself or that a fan of his doesn't like what he's doing. So some think "Poor Jason" can't catch a break from his fans. Well some are just fans that don't feel the NEED to go with the flow, accept everything as it's shown. Things can change on a dime on a Soap Opera. But fans have the right to question it, debate it (which is the point of this MB) and not be criticized by those that don't agree or simply want to "go with the flow". Everyone here has rights. Not just the fans that feel one way or the other. I am gonna defend my self and say once again, that my intention of this thread was NOT to get an argument going!!!!8) |
#19
2009/11/03 08:29AM
Re: Poor Jason
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alikat |
Quote JaneDoe: I agree with this alikat to a certain extent. Not sure if it was my post you were shocked by or not, but I simply answered a question from Gen as to who was giving Jason hell and I received a very rude response in return. Everyone DOES have a right to their opinion, but I think it's fair to conclude that in some people's eye Jason can do no right. Is that OK that some people feel that way? Sure, but it should be expected that the opinion of Jason's actions will be debated. It's certainly debated when someone has the opinion that Sam should be redeemed or that Jason should never forgive Sam or Claudia is not a crazy psychopath, LOL. All opinions are up for debate, that IS the point of the board. So it's OK for people to point out that Jason cannot do anything right, just as it's OK for people to disagree with that. Respect is the key word here and I think there are many people on BOTH sides of the argument that lack that completely. No Jane Doe, I wasn't singling your post out. Really the only thing I singled out was the fact that the OP states she wasn't trying to start a war but really, in my opinion, that's exactly what she was trying to do. She was singling out and posting that those that think differently from her are basically rediculous in the way they think. ie: Jason can't catch a break. Kind of a darned if you do, darned if you don't message being sent. I feel the intent was definitely there. Whether it garnered the response wanted, I have no idea. I'm not her. But I saw this when if first was posted and my immediate reaction was that the whole intention was to set the bait (so to speak). I chose to move on and ignore. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I don't think I am. Now, I know that I'm not as zealous at the OOC thing and that even many of MY reason why I think he's OOC are not what a lot of people have posted as their reasons. And yes, everyone gets to debate. But we should all remember that unless my argument states something that is actually incorrect example: I state Jason is out of character because he wore a pink jacket. You would point out that I'm wrong because he NEVER wore a pink jacket. However if I state I think Jason is out of character because he would never wear a pink tie (and before anyone jumps...this is an example ~ I don't think this specific incident makes him OOC) then I have that right to think Jason wearing a pink tie is out of character for him. I may think that way because he's never changed his clothes for anyone but Carly and it was Spinelli asking him to wear the tie. And you could then argue that it's not out of character because he's shown in the past that he can bend and be reasonable because he doesn't dance but did with Carly at her wedding. He was just doing something he normally wouldn't do because a close friend asked it of him. However, each side still has the right to think that way. But yes, to answer your question, you and NM have recently posted things that have made me think you have moved from the neutral to the Pro Jasam side. But who cares if you have...like who you wanna.  I respect that wholeheartedly.And you are right...some don't care what happens on the show...they feel one way and nothing will change it. So be it, that's their right as well. |
#20
2009/11/03 08:34AM
Re: Poor Jason
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alikat |
Quote generalhospital2012: I am gonna defend my self and say once again, that my intention of this thread was NOT to get an argument going!!!!8) Please know that I'm not intentionally picking on you. However, I do have one question...If your intention was not to start the argument of people who think Jason is the "real" Jason compared to those who think he's "OOC" Jason...then WHY would you start this thread at all? Why would you not simply post that comment in the Jason thread where the subject was broached to begin with? The subject being that He gets hell from people for not shooting Claudia, in a room full of people; but he received it for pulling out a gun, at the carnival. Like I said...IN MY OPINION this thread was started exactly for what you felt the need to point out it was not started to do. |
#21
2009/11/03 08:57AM
Re: Poor Jason
ghfanfare |
Hmmmm. Nope. Still have no sympathy for Jason. Annoyance, yes. Sympathy, no. |
#22
2009/11/03 09:58AM
Re: Poor Jason
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JaneDoe |
Quote alikat: But yes, to answer your question, you and NM have recently posted things that have made me think you have moved from the neutral to the Pro Jasam side. I'm an overall fan of GH for the most part, and I don't like to see sides period. I enjoy JaSam and I have since their trip to Mexico. Do I consider myself a fan? I suppose, but my love for couples is usually fleeting and that is why I try to stay neutral with all fan bases. BTW alikat, where the heck is that CHIPS avi you promised me? Helena is not happy with waiting, LOL. 
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#23
2009/11/03 01:02PM
Re: Poor Jason
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alikat |
Quote JaneDoe: Quote alikat: But yes, to answer your question, you and NM have recently posted things that have made me think you have moved from the neutral to the Pro Jasam side. I'm an overall fan of GH for the most part, and I don't like to see sides period. I enjoy JaSam and I have since their trip to Mexico. Do I consider myself a fan? I suppose, but my love for couples is usually fleeting and that is why I try to stay neutral with all fan bases. BTW alikat, where the heck is that CHIPS avi you promised me? Helena is not happy with waiting, LOL. Awww man...crap. Well, in my defense, when I went to put it up for you...well I was at work where I don't have the picture saved. So we got the gray haired old lady that you don't like. *sorry ~ waves ~ offers...a Spencer on a skewer* Then when I got home, I tried ot put it up but I ended up with Hottie McGregVaughanerson for about a day. Then the news broke about Scott Reeves being the new Dr. Steven Lars Webber and I am just so excited. (I really love Scott Reeves. Not more than Steve Burton but maybe like 60:40 Steve:Scott or even 55:45) But if I think about it when I get home, I'll put up the chips but then when Scott is on the boobtube...He's going back as an avi...I wish we could have signatures here. It would solve all my problems (cause you know I never want Helena mad at me) AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH *runs away* |
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