General Hospital - MESSAGE BOARDS

Quote NewWaterfordGirl:

I hope you're right about Mac's words.

I also noticed that Robin said that she is getting sick of the violence in PC and she finds that Sonny is at the centre of it all. I wonder if this is another possible sign that things are turning and the mob will not be as much in the forefront. I hope so.

While i love the investigative stuff and the Jason/Spinelli dynamic of searching and retrieving info, I do wish that it was out of or on the fringe of the mob element. There has always been mob on GH but it was in greater balance. The mobsters who were the anti-heroes were the ones who helped the WSB/police but at arm's length. Those who wanted to kill were the criminals. I liked GH best when there was a balance in the mobsters and police and the moral authority was on the side of saving lives vs. taking them.

Despite this, I do agree that the show is getting better over all WRT cast and storyline integration and writing. I hope that it continues -- but with a balance.

Quote cincyghfan:

Gen I enjoyed reading your post... Question for you, do you believe that Jason made the right decision in allowing Lucky to claim Jake? And please this has nothing to do with Liz, just Jake.

Quote genhospchat:

Wow this is a hard one because no matter what I say, I will be called biased because I have enjoyed the dynamic of the character of Jason for 15 years or so (not meaning you Cincy) so I will answer how "I" feel (and I am hoping people will actually READ what I am saying and not jump on me automatically) and will set it up to get to the question...you know me, no easy, short, quick posts and I can't keep Liz's name out of it because she is Jake's mom BUT I won't make any comparisions (and gosh, yes, I hope that no one turns this into a war).

To me, ALL the mistakes with the kids happened because of Sonny. The fact that Michael is how he is, to me, is because of Sonny, not Jason. Carly trusted Jason with Michael and while Jason had Michael, he was ALWAYS safe, there was NEVER a problem with him (keeping in mind, at that time, Jason was the one running the "business." Sonny wasn't even in town anymore and Jason hadn't been in the business for long at this point). It was when Sonny took over as Michael's father and SHOWED MICHAEL that the way to live was revenge and anger.

Sonny's temper is one of his shortcomings as it makes for LOUSY decisions and him acting before thinking. These thoughts created the last mob war that had Jake kidnapped for a second time (let's be honest, that had NOTHING to do with Jason and that whole story of them going after Jake because they saw Jason and Liz hugging???? GMAB!!), had Claudia going off the deep end the other day (not to mention showing him threatening someone in a room full of people, causing innocent bystanders to be placed in harm's way AGAIN), caused Michael to run away after shooting Kate, bringing Michael to a warehouse without any guards, covering Kate and not Michael when Devlin shot at them, attacking and holding Johnny hostage for something he had NO PROOF on when in turn it was his OWN SON who shot Kate, etc (all of these things put children in danger).

Jason has ALWAYS made sure that the kids were safe while in his care. If Carly and Sam BOTH trusted their kids to Jason and he was willing to take care of them, there's NO REASON that he couldn't do that for his OWN son. When Jason was running the "business", he showed that he could take care of business without the violence. He went after AZ by burning down his house, not killing him or acting irrationally. Jason wanted the violence to STOP and just to run the "business" in as peaceful a way as is possible.

NOW do I think that Jason made the right choice? I UNDERSTAND the reasoning for it BUT do I think it's right...NO! I will explain my reasoning for this by the events leading up to it (I will keep it as short as I can but again, it is ME and I'm sure I will repeat myself).

I have NEVER bought the fact that Jason was "partially guilty" for Michael being in "that life." Jason and Robin took care of Michael while Carly dealt with her PPD, Jason lying to everyone that he was Michael's father (Remember the scene when social services came to Sonny's PH and Jason, Bobbie, Robin and the guards were putting together baby furniture? This was one of the reasons that Jason was shown to WANT the best life for Michael, even while working in the mob). He went as far as to name him himself. When Carly got out, she wanted Jason for herself but we know that Jason wanted Robin. Jason and Robin broke up and later Jason started feeling bad because he felt that he should be with Carly to help raise Michael (he wasn't in love with Carly but he wanted the baby to have a father and he VOLUNTEERED, with no thought of "danger, danger") but then of course Carly seeing Liz and Jason dancing, she went "all-Carly", went to Sonny's to find out info on the two of them and then slept with Sonny in anger. That night Jason got shot, he went to Sonny's to tell him what happened and found out the two had slept together and decided to say goodbye to Sonny, Carly and the mob (and SBu left GH).

When Jason came back almost a year later (I don't remember EXACT dates), Carly had had a miscarriage from the baby with Sonny after their night of "anger sex" and they had fallen in love. Jason saw this and said that the two of them should try to work it out and had told Sonny (paraphrasing), "I am entrusting Michael to you and you take care of him and keep him safe" (remembering that while in Jason's care, he was always safe). From that point on, Sonny and Carly were responsible for Michael's upbringing and safety and it wasn't Jason's responsibility anymore (though Jason was always there for Michael and even moved in across the hall).

Next Sam and Sonny's baby. Jason CHOSE HIMSELF to take responsibility of someone else's baby. HE HIMSELF, AGAIN, made up the lie that he was the father of SOMEONE ELSE'S baby. He made it known that HE WAS THE FATHER to anyone who asked and made a vow to keep that baby safe, with no worries of the "danger, danger". (Now let's keep in mind here, Jason couldn't stand Sam at that time but was doing it to save Sonny and Carly's marriage and to keep Michael happy. Frankly I thought it was time someone allowed that kid to see that life isn't roses and rainbows and allowed the kid a dose of reality at that time).

NOW we have TWO babies that aren't even his that he is telling the world that ARE HIS. He isn't talking of the danger, he isn't worried about his enemies, he wasn't hiding anything (well Michael's paternity but that's neither here nor there at this moment). He was going to marry Sam, a woman he didn't even like, for the sake of this baby...again that wasn't his and that he VOLUNTEERED to raise. As we know, Jason and Sam started having feelings for each other and he was looking forward to being a father. (Again, voluntarily).

Jason and Sam were going to adopt a baby, Hope (Hope's real mom eventually took the baby back). No one was pregnant but he was going to take a stranger's baby and raise this baby as his own (again, VOLUNTARILY). There was no thought to "danger, danger" this time EITHER. This wasn't someone lying about a paternity, this was Jason CHOOSING to bring this baby into his home and raise it as his own (third child that wasn't his but was willing to raise as his AGAIN with no thought to "danger, danger").

Fast forward to Jake. Jason wanted Jake whether he was his son or not, he said these words himself. He wanted to marry Liz and them to be a family and HE VOLUNTARILY raise help the baby (one that may or may not have been his, with NO thought of "danger, danger"). It was found out in time that Jason WAS Jake's daddy but because Lucky already thought the baby was his, Liz decided to keep it that way because she wanted to help Lucky stay sober (not because of the "danger, danger" issue).

In time, Liz realized that her feelings for Jason wouldn't go away and that she and Lucky shouldn't be together. The lie was already told Lucky was the father and they decided to just leave it that way Jason kept making declarations that his life was too dangerous for having children in his life and pushed this point and eventually Liz started thinking it herself and agreed BUT Liz and Jason KNEW that they wanted each other and snuck around. Eventually Liz realized that Jason could keep them all safe and was pushing for them to be together, out in the open, and the two decided to marry, FOR REAL, for LOVE and she pushed the issue with Jason and he as well KNEW that Jason COULD keep them all safe.

SUDDENLY there were all these dangerous situations that happened (Kate got shot, Michael got shot, the mob war that made NO SENSE) that made them both decide it was better to part (keeping in mind, NONE of these were because of Jason but because of Sonny). Liz and Jason were still in love and were breaking up ONLY BECAUSE it was to keep Jake safe (where were all these "danger, danger" issues when he was willing to raise everyone else's children?). Now IMO, all these were just set up to break up Liz and Jason (and to make sure Jason wouldn't be "domesticated," Fron's words not mine) and make sure that Jason looked like a COMPLETELY different person than who he REALLY was (all of the above tells you that).

Ok this is where it will get hairy (please everyone let's not make this about Sam is better for Jason because that is neither here nor there). Many will agree, and many won't, that the fact that Jason walked away from Jake, after everything I said above about Michael, Hope and Sam's baby, was OOC for Jason. (I am not saying this to start an argument or to make this a back and forth but AGAIN, how "I" feel, since I was asked). The fact that Jason would pretend his child does not exist but is STILL running around town for EVERYONE ELSE'S children (not to mention Mexico for a child that the mother doesn't even want him around), to me also, makes Jason OOC, not to mention hypocritical. I UNDERSTAND that he wants to protect his OWN child BUT is seeking vengeance and is mad at HIMSELF for how another person's child was raised, that had nothing to do with him as to why Michael is how he is or why things happened as they did (again, this was because of Sonny)?

Do "I" think that Jason could have kept Jake safe...ABSOLUTELY and I STILL do. I believed that Jason could take care of Sam's baby, Hope and Michael with no problem as to the safety of them, so why wouldn't I believe that he could, not to mention WOULD WANT TO, for the sake of HIS OWN child?

Jason could have continued running the mob HIS WAY AND been a parent as well (heck he's did it before with Michael). He WASN'T irrational like Sonny, he thought first, got the information he needed, checked it again, thought some more and THEN retaliated if he felt it is necessary (ANOTHER reason people say Jason is OOC). No one (meaning enemies) wanted to go up against Jason and they all knew Jason was fair and that things would go smoothly with Jason so people didn't interfere with Jason. SONNY brought in and created the enemies that retaliated and made things in PC ugly, NOT Jason. There is no reason that Jason couldn't have his cake (literally - "Cake") and eat it too. I also believe that Sonny could IF Sonny wasn't a fly off the handle and selfish guy. Everything that has EVER happened to any of the kids, was PERSONAL TO SONNY, not because of "mob business".

Again, the fact that they had to change Jason's personality to make sure he couldn't raise his son (he has become irrational, has no thought for other's safety, reacts before thinking, etc, etc)is a thorn in my side. I still believe that Jason POSSIBLY MAY have become this way BECAUSE he can't have his son and is thinking irrationally because he is tired of trying to do it all and just wants it all to END! I really believe Jason wants out of the mob (even though he says he can't, though he has done it before) and just wants the violence to stop. I think that all the strain of his life in the mob, as well as not being able to have the one person he most wants in his life is taking it's toll. It's just too bad that they are having to ruin his character and I hope that this (or something else that makes equal sense or that is ALSO the reasoning for it) explains WHY he has turned into Sonny and has lost most of himself from the last 15 years. (I know many won't agree that he is OOC but from everything I've said, it has SHOWN that in the last year Jason has become OOC and is not the same person he has always been).

There is no reason if Jason could keep Michael, Hope and Sam's baby safe (while in his care as the parent), not of which were his child, that he couldn't with Jake as well.

Btw, thank you Cincy and I'm glad you enjoyed my last post. I'm not even sure if I answered your question or not. LOL

Quote genhospchat:

Wow this is a hard one because no matter what I say, I will be called biased because I have enjoyed the dynamic of the character of Jason for 15 years or so (not meaning you Cincy) so I will answer how "I" feel (and I am hoping people will actually READ what I am saying and not jump on me automatically) and will set it up to get to the question...you know me, no easy, short, quick posts and I can't keep Liz's name out of it because she is Jake's mom BUT I won't make any comparisions (and gosh, yes, I hope that no one turns this into a war).

To me, ALL the mistakes with the kids happened because of Sonny. The fact that Michael is how he is, to me, is because of Sonny, not Jason. Carly trusted Jason with Michael and while Jason had Michael, he was ALWAYS safe, there was NEVER a problem with him (keeping in mind, at that time, Jason was the one running the "business." Sonny wasn't even in town anymore and Jason hadn't been in the business for long at this point). It was when Sonny took over as Michael's father and SHOWED MICHAEL that the way to live was revenge and anger.

Sonny's temper is one of his shortcomings as it makes for LOUSY decisions and him acting before thinking. These thoughts created the last mob war that had Jake kidnapped for a second time (let's be honest, that had NOTHING to do with Jason and that whole story of them going after Jake because they saw Jason and Liz hugging???? GMAB!!), had Claudia going off the deep end the other day (not to mention showing him threatening someone in a room full of people, causing innocent bystanders to be placed in harm's way AGAIN), caused Michael to run away after shooting Kate, bringing Michael to a warehouse without any guards, covering Kate and not Michael when Devlin shot at them, attacking and holding Johnny hostage for something he had NO PROOF on when in turn it was his OWN SON who shot Kate, etc (all of these things put children in danger).

Jason has ALWAYS made sure that the kids were safe while in his care. If Carly and Sam BOTH trusted their kids to Jason and he was willing to take care of them, there's NO REASON that he couldn't do that for his OWN son. When Jason was running the "business", he showed that he could take care of business without the violence. He went after AZ by burning down his house, not killing him or acting irrationally. Jason wanted the violence to STOP and just to run the "business" in as peaceful a way as is possible.

NOW do I think that Jason made the right choice? I UNDERSTAND the reasoning for it BUT do I think it's right...NO! I will explain my reasoning for this by the events leading up to it (I will keep it as short as I can but again, it is ME and I'm sure I will repeat myself).

I have NEVER bought the fact that Jason was "partially guilty" for Michael being in "that life." Jason and Robin took care of Michael while Carly dealt with her PPD, Jason lying to everyone that he was Michael's father (Remember the scene when social services came to Sonny's PH and Jason, Bobbie, Robin and the guards were putting together baby furniture? This was one of the reasons that Jason was shown to WANT the best life for Michael, even while working in the mob). He went as far as to name him himself. When Carly got out, she wanted Jason for herself but we know that Jason wanted Robin. Jason and Robin broke up and later Jason started feeling bad because he felt that he should be with Carly to help raise Michael (he wasn't in love with Carly but he wanted the baby to have a father and he VOLUNTEERED, with no thought of "danger, danger") but then of course Carly seeing Liz and Jason dancing, she went "all-Carly", went to Sonny's to find out info on the two of them and then slept with Sonny in anger. That night Jason got shot, he went to Sonny's to tell him what happened and found out the two had slept together and decided to say goodbye to Sonny, Carly and the mob (and SBu left GH).

When Jason came back almost a year later (I don't remember EXACT dates), Carly had had a miscarriage from the baby with Sonny after their night of "anger sex" and they had fallen in love. Jason saw this and said that the two of them should try to work it out and had told Sonny (paraphrasing), "I am entrusting Michael to you and you take care of him and keep him safe" (remembering that while in Jason's care, he was always safe). From that point on, Sonny and Carly were responsible for Michael's upbringing and safety and it wasn't Jason's responsibility anymore (though Jason was always there for Michael and even moved in across the hall).

Next Sam and Sonny's baby. Jason CHOSE HIMSELF to take responsibility of someone else's baby. HE HIMSELF, AGAIN, made up the lie that he was the father of SOMEONE ELSE'S baby. He made it known that HE WAS THE FATHER to anyone who asked and made a vow to keep that baby safe, with no worries of the "danger, danger". (Now let's keep in mind here, Jason couldn't stand Sam at that time but was doing it to save Sonny and Carly's marriage and to keep Michael happy. Frankly I thought it was time someone allowed that kid to see that life isn't roses and rainbows and allowed the kid a dose of reality at that time).

NOW we have TWO babies that aren't even his that he is telling the world that ARE HIS. He isn't talking of the danger, he isn't worried about his enemies, he wasn't hiding anything (well Michael's paternity but that's neither here nor there at this moment). He was going to marry Sam, a woman he didn't even like, for the sake of this baby...again that wasn't his and that he VOLUNTEERED to raise. As we know, Jason and Sam started having feelings for each other and he was looking forward to being a father. (Again, voluntarily).

Jason and Sam were going to adopt a baby, Hope (Hope's real mom eventually took the baby back). No one was pregnant but he was going to take a stranger's baby and raise this baby as his own (again, VOLUNTARILY). There was no thought to "danger, danger" this time EITHER. This wasn't someone lying about a paternity, this was Jason CHOOSING to bring this baby into his home and raise it as his own (third child that wasn't his but was willing to raise as his AGAIN with no thought to "danger, danger").

Fast forward to Jake. Jason wanted Jake whether he was his son or not, he said these words himself. He wanted to marry Liz and them to be a family and HE VOLUNTARILY raise help the baby (one that may or may not have been his, with NO thought of "danger, danger"). It was found out in time that Jason WAS Jake's daddy but because Lucky already thought the baby was his, Liz decided to keep it that way because she wanted to help Lucky stay sober (not because of the "danger, danger" issue).

In time, Liz realized that her feelings for Jason wouldn't go away and that she and Lucky shouldn't be together. The lie was already told Lucky was the father and they decided to just leave it that way Jason kept making declarations that his life was too dangerous for having children in his life and pushed this point and eventually Liz started thinking it herself and agreed BUT Liz and Jason KNEW that they wanted each other and snuck around. Eventually Liz realized that Jason could keep them all safe and was pushing for them to be together, out in the open, and the two decided to marry, FOR REAL, for LOVE and she pushed the issue with Jason and he as well KNEW that Jason COULD keep them all safe.

SUDDENLY there were all these dangerous situations that happened (Kate got shot, Michael got shot, the mob war that made NO SENSE) that made them both decide it was better to part (keeping in mind, NONE of these were because of Jason but because of Sonny). Liz and Jason were still in love and were breaking up ONLY BECAUSE it was to keep Jake safe (where were all these "danger, danger" issues when he was willing to raise everyone else's children?). Now IMO, all these were just set up to break up Liz and Jason (and to make sure Jason wouldn't be "domesticated," Fron's words not mine) and make sure that Jason looked like a COMPLETELY different person than who he REALLY was (all of the above tells you that).

Ok this is where it will get hairy (please everyone let's not make this about Sam is better for Jason because that is neither here nor there). Many will agree, and many won't, that the fact that Jason walked away from Jake, after everything I said above about Michael, Hope and Sam's baby, was OOC for Jason. (I am not saying this to start an argument or to make this a back and forth but AGAIN, how "I" feel, since I was asked). The fact that Jason would pretend his child does not exist but is STILL running around town for EVERYONE ELSE'S children (not to mention Mexico for a child that the mother doesn't even want him around), to me also, makes Jason OOC, not to mention hypocritical. I UNDERSTAND that he wants to protect his OWN child BUT is seeking vengeance and is mad at HIMSELF for how another person's child was raised, that had nothing to do with him as to why Michael is how he is or why things happened as they did (again, this was because of Sonny)?

Do "I" think that Jason could have kept Jake safe...ABSOLUTELY and I STILL do. I believed that Jason could take care of Sam's baby, Hope and Michael with no problem as to the safety of them, so why wouldn't I believe that he could, not to mention WOULD WANT TO, for the sake of HIS OWN child?

Jason could have continued running the mob HIS WAY AND been a parent as well (heck he's did it before with Michael). He WASN'T irrational like Sonny, he thought first, got the information he needed, checked it again, thought some more and THEN retaliated if he felt it is necessary (ANOTHER reason people say Jason is OOC). No one (meaning enemies) wanted to go up against Jason and they all knew Jason was fair and that things would go smoothly with Jason so people didn't interfere with Jason. SONNY brought in and created the enemies that retaliated and made things in PC ugly, NOT Jason. There is no reason that Jason couldn't have his cake (literally - "Cake") and eat it too. I also believe that Sonny could IF Sonny wasn't a fly off the handle and selfish guy. Everything that has EVER happened to any of the kids, was PERSONAL TO SONNY, not because of "mob business".

Again, the fact that they had to change Jason's personality to make sure he couldn't raise his son (he has become irrational, has no thought for other's safety, reacts before thinking, etc, etc)is a thorn in my side. I still believe that Jason POSSIBLY MAY have become this way BECAUSE he can't have his son and is thinking irrationally because he is tired of trying to do it all and just wants it all to END! I really believe Jason wants out of the mob (even though he says he can't, though he has done it before) and just wants the violence to stop. I think that all the strain of his life in the mob, as well as not being able to have the one person he most wants in his life is taking it's toll. It's just too bad that they are having to ruin his character and I hope that this (or something else that makes equal sense or that is ALSO the reasoning for it) explains WHY he has turned into Sonny and has lost most of himself from the last 15 years. (I know many won't agree that he is OOC but from everything I've said, it has SHOWN that in the last year Jason has become OOC and is not the same person he has always been).

There is no reason if Jason could keep Michael, Hope and Sam's baby safe (while in his care as the parent), not of which were his child, that he couldn't with Jake as well.

Btw, thank you Cincy and I'm glad you enjoyed my last post. I'm not even sure if I answered your question or not. LOL

Quote genhospchat:

Wow this is a hard one because no matter what I say, I will be called biased because I have enjoyed the dynamic of the character of Jason for 15 years or so (not meaning you Cincy) so I will answer how "I" feel (and I am hoping people will actually READ what I am saying and not jump on me automatically) and will set it up to get to the question...you know me, no easy, short, quick posts and I can't keep Liz's name out of it because she is Jake's mom BUT I won't make any comparisions (and gosh, yes, I hope that no one turns this into a war).

To me, ALL the mistakes with the kids happened because of Sonny. The fact that Michael is how he is, to me, is because of Sonny, not Jason. Carly trusted Jason with Michael and while Jason had Michael, he was ALWAYS safe, there was NEVER a problem with him (keeping in mind, at that time, Jason was the one running the "business." Sonny wasn't even in town anymore and Jason hadn't been in the business for long at this point). It was when Sonny took over as Michael's father and SHOWED MICHAEL that the way to live was revenge and anger.

Sonny's temper is one of his shortcomings as it makes for LOUSY decisions and him acting before thinking. These thoughts created the last mob war that had Jake kidnapped for a second time (let's be honest, that had NOTHING to do with Jason and that whole story of them going after Jake because they saw Jason and Liz hugging???? GMAB!!), had Claudia going off the deep end the other day (not to mention showing him threatening someone in a room full of people, causing innocent bystanders to be placed in harm's way AGAIN), caused Michael to run away after shooting Kate, bringing Michael to a warehouse without any guards, covering Kate and not Michael when Devlin shot at them, attacking and holding Johnny hostage for something he had NO PROOF on when in turn it was his OWN SON who shot Kate, etc (all of these things put children in danger).

Jason has ALWAYS made sure that the kids were safe while in his care. If Carly and Sam BOTH trusted their kids to Jason and he was willing to take care of them, there's NO REASON that he couldn't do that for his OWN son. When Jason was running the "business", he showed that he could take care of business without the violence. He went after AZ by burning down his house, not killing him or acting irrationally. Jason wanted the violence to STOP and just to run the "business" in as peaceful a way as is possible.

NOW do I think that Jason made the right choice? I UNDERSTAND the reasoning for it BUT do I think it's right...NO! I will explain my reasoning for this by the events leading up to it (I will keep it as short as I can but again, it is ME and I'm sure I will repeat myself).

I have NEVER bought the fact that Jason was "partially guilty" for Michael being in "that life." Jason and Robin took care of Michael while Carly dealt with her PPD, Jason lying to everyone that he was Michael's father (Remember the scene when social services came to Sonny's PH and Jason, Bobbie, Robin and the guards were putting together baby furniture? This was one of the reasons that Jason was shown to WANT the best life for Michael, even while working in the mob). He went as far as to name him himself. When Carly got out, she wanted Jason for herself but we know that Jason wanted Robin. Jason and Robin broke up and later Jason started feeling bad because he felt that he should be with Carly to help raise Michael (he wasn't in love with Carly but he wanted the baby to have a father and he VOLUNTEERED, with no thought of "danger, danger") but then of course Carly seeing Liz and Jason dancing, she went "all-Carly", went to Sonny's to find out info on the two of them and then slept with Sonny in anger. That night Jason got shot, he went to Sonny's to tell him what happened and found out the two had slept together and decided to say goodbye to Sonny, Carly and the mob (and SBu left GH).

When Jason came back almost a year later (I don't remember EXACT dates), Carly had had a miscarriage from the baby with Sonny after their night of "anger sex" and they had fallen in love. Jason saw this and said that the two of them should try to work it out and had told Sonny (paraphrasing), "I am entrusting Michael to you and you take care of him and keep him safe" (remembering that while in Jason's care, he was always safe). From that point on, Sonny and Carly were responsible for Michael's upbringing and safety and it wasn't Jason's responsibility anymore (though Jason was always there for Michael and even moved in across the hall).

Next Sam and Sonny's baby. Jason CHOSE HIMSELF to take responsibility of someone else's baby. HE HIMSELF, AGAIN, made up the lie that he was the father of SOMEONE ELSE'S baby. He made it known that HE WAS THE FATHER to anyone who asked and made a vow to keep that baby safe, with no worries of the "danger, danger". (Now let's keep in mind here, Jason couldn't stand Sam at that time but was doing it to save Sonny and Carly's marriage and to keep Michael happy. Frankly I thought it was time someone allowed that kid to see that life isn't roses and rainbows and allowed the kid a dose of reality at that time).

NOW we have TWO babies that aren't even his that he is telling the world that ARE HIS. He isn't talking of the danger, he isn't worried about his enemies, he wasn't hiding anything (well Michael's paternity but that's neither here nor there at this moment). He was going to marry Sam, a woman he didn't even like, for the sake of this baby...again that wasn't his and that he VOLUNTEERED to raise. As we know, Jason and Sam started having feelings for each other and he was looking forward to being a father. (Again, voluntarily).

Jason and Sam were going to adopt a baby, Hope (Hope's real mom eventually took the baby back). No one was pregnant but he was going to take a stranger's baby and raise this baby as his own (again, VOLUNTARILY). There was no thought to "danger, danger" this time EITHER. This wasn't someone lying about a paternity, this was Jason CHOOSING to bring this baby into his home and raise it as his own (third child that wasn't his but was willing to raise as his AGAIN with no thought to "danger, danger").

Fast forward to Jake. Jason wanted Jake whether he was his son or not, he said these words himself. He wanted to marry Liz and them to be a family and HE VOLUNTARILY raise help the baby (one that may or may not have been his, with NO thought of "danger, danger"). It was found out in time that Jason WAS Jake's daddy but because Lucky already thought the baby was his, Liz decided to keep it that way because she wanted to help Lucky stay sober (not because of the "danger, danger" issue).

In time, Liz realized that her feelings for Jason wouldn't go away and that she and Lucky shouldn't be together. The lie was already told Lucky was the father and they decided to just leave it that way Jason kept making declarations that his life was too dangerous for having children in his life and pushed this point and eventually Liz started thinking it herself and agreed BUT Liz and Jason KNEW that they wanted each other and snuck around. Eventually Liz realized that Jason could keep them all safe and was pushing for them to be together, out in the open, and the two decided to marry, FOR REAL, for LOVE and she pushed the issue with Jason and he as well KNEW that Jason COULD keep them all safe.

SUDDENLY there were all these dangerous situations that happened (Kate got shot, Michael got shot, the mob war that made NO SENSE) that made them both decide it was better to part (keeping in mind, NONE of these were because of Jason but because of Sonny). Liz and Jason were still in love and were breaking up ONLY BECAUSE it was to keep Jake safe (where were all these "danger, danger" issues when he was willing to raise everyone else's children?). Now IMO, all these were just set up to break up Liz and Jason (and to make sure Jason wouldn't be "domesticated," Fron's words not mine) and make sure that Jason looked like a COMPLETELY different person than who he REALLY was (all of the above tells you that).

Ok this is where it will get hairy (please everyone let's not make this about Sam is better for Jason because that is neither here nor there). Many will agree, and many won't, that the fact that Jason walked away from Jake, after everything I said above about Michael, Hope and Sam's baby, was OOC for Jason. (I am not saying this to start an argument or to make this a back and forth but AGAIN, how "I" feel, since I was asked). The fact that Jason would pretend his child does not exist but is STILL running around town for EVERYONE ELSE'S children (not to mention Mexico for a child that the mother doesn't even want him around), to me also, makes Jason OOC, not to mention hypocritical. I UNDERSTAND that he wants to protect his OWN child BUT is seeking vengeance and is mad at HIMSELF for how another person's child was raised, that had nothing to do with him as to why Michael is how he is or why things happened as they did (again, this was because of Sonny)?

Do "I" think that Jason could have kept Jake safe...ABSOLUTELY and I STILL do. I believed that Jason could take care of Sam's baby, Hope and Michael with no problem as to the safety of them, so why wouldn't I believe that he could, not to mention WOULD WANT TO, for the sake of HIS OWN child?

Jason could have continued running the mob HIS WAY AND been a parent as well (heck he's did it before with Michael). He WASN'T irrational like Sonny, he thought first, got the information he needed, checked it again, thought some more and THEN retaliated if he felt it is necessary (ANOTHER reason people say Jason is OOC). No one (meaning enemies) wanted to go up against Jason and they all knew Jason was fair and that things would go smoothly with Jason so people didn't interfere with Jason. SONNY brought in and created the enemies that retaliated and made things in PC ugly, NOT Jason. There is no reason that Jason couldn't have his cake (literally - "Cake") and eat it too. I also believe that Sonny could IF Sonny wasn't a fly off the handle and selfish guy. Everything that has EVER happened to any of the kids, was PERSONAL TO SONNY, not because of "mob business".

Again, the fact that they had to change Jason's personality to make sure he couldn't raise his son (he has become irrational, has no thought for other's safety, reacts before thinking, etc, etc)is a thorn in my side. I still believe that Jason POSSIBLY MAY have become this way BECAUSE he can't have his son and is thinking irrationally because he is tired of trying to do it all and just wants it all to END! I really believe Jason wants out of the mob (even though he says he can't, though he has done it before) and just wants the violence to stop. I think that all the strain of his life in the mob, as well as not being able to have the one person he most wants in his life is taking it's toll. It's just too bad that they are having to ruin his character and I hope that this (or something else that makes equal sense or that is ALSO the reasoning for it) explains WHY he has turned into Sonny and has lost most of himself from the last 15 years. (I know many won't agree that he is OOC but from everything I've said, it has SHOWN that in the last year Jason has become OOC and is not the same person he has always been).

There is no reason if Jason could keep Michael, Hope and Sam's baby safe (while in his care as the parent), not of which were his child, that he couldn't with Jake as well.

Btw, thank you Cincy and I'm glad you enjoyed my last post. I'm not even sure if I answered your question or not. LOL

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Hey Gen, thank you for the follow up to my question. Did have two questions for you.

First, if Jason chose to come forward and claim Jake would you have issue with that?

Second, you commented that you believe Jason wants to leave the mob, how did you come to that conclusion?

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I actually think I might agree with that statement. I know I'm not Gen, and I'm certain my answer is going to be no where as long as hers, but I do think Jason doesn't like the violence, and would want out if it were possible. But the reason he stays, and places that desire in the back of his mind is because of his obligations. He has always had this notion that you have to always stay true to the obligations you make to people, no matter what it personally costs you. That starts with joining Sonny after his accident.

He always looks back on that in the POV that expresses how Sonny gave him an opportunity, and he knew what he was getting into. He was good at it, and he wanted to have a purpose somewhere, and Sonny gave him the chance. I personally still think that Sonny took advantage of his vulnerability, but that's just me. He got in a life where he collected enemies along the way, thus making any exit virtually impossible. Even if he tried to leave, the enemies wouldn't care. How would he walk away from Sonny and leave him vulnerable when he could protect him? Because of the promises he made, he would never be able to do it.

Since Sonny is in it for life, so are his kids, and the people around him. So Jason obviously would never want anything to happen to them. He is forced to stay out of obligation to Michael, Morgan, and Kristina, and Carly as well. He could never leave, because that would leave all of them vulnerable. Regardless of all these things that all of us already know, I do think he would want to leave. But he never allows it to be an option in his mind, because he knows it can never happen. At least, that is what he has come to believe over the years.

When he lost his memory in 2005, he wanted out. He had a clean slate, and he didn't want to be involved in anything to do with the mob, or Sonny, or ANY of it. That proved to me that deep down, when you take away the connections he had with the people he made those promises to, that what he existentially wanted for himself, and himself alone, was to not be in the mob. It wasn't until he started realizing that it didn't matter if he didn't remember those connections, that he got back in it to save Sonny. He realized that even if he didn't remember making those promises to protect those people, they were made, and those people counted on him. So he went back to Port Charles, even if deep down, what he wanted for himself, and Sam at that time, was to not be involved in the mob at all. But that didn't matter.

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that was awesome!!! long... but AWESOME.

can I add another thing? Jason seems written out of character to me for all those reasons you listed and one other. Like you described, he's been shown to be very precautions and take protection seriously. The writers have conveniently let Jason dismiss ALL the people who already know about Jake's true paternity as if they pose no threat. Some of those people aren't the most stable either... Nik with all that DeadEm stuff, Luke, Lucky.....etc.

It's been publicly documented how Jason has gone after Jake to his own detriment TWICE. Any enemy with have a brain could figure out Jake distracts Jason... and Jake is UNGUARDED.

So to me, whether Jason claims Jake or not. Jason NOT having guards on him or outfitting Elizabeth's house with security cameras and alarms etc is just nuts. Claiming Jake or not, Jason brought Jake into this world and its his duty to keep him safe. TO ME staying away from him puts Jake in danger. The show isn't writing it that way but I doubt one viewer would dispute that all the material is there for one of Jason's enemies to figure it out and snatch Jake IF they wanted to go there.

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Jason not claiming Jake makes him look REALLY, REALLY BAD b/c it's well-known that he CAN keep him safe, also that he keeps all the other kids safe so why not his OWN SON? ITA that staying away from Jake puts him in danger. It leaves him and Elizabeth, and therefore Cam, wide open to Jason's enemies. One of these days something bad could happen to them, then how would Jason feel? I seem to remember when he said that if something ever happened to them he would never forgive himself or something like that. Well he's leaving them wide open for that very thing to happen!!

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I agree with these two posts. I think he does need to protect Jake by having guards on his house, and Elizabeth and Cam as well because they are his family. And if he needs to protect him anyway, why not openly claim him, and be a part of his life? He is obviously capable of taking care of the rest of the children of Port Charles, why not his own. I don't necessarily think it is a matter of OOC, I just think it is bad writing.