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No sympathy for the mobster
Started by GHSince1999 at 2009/10/30 06:01PMLatest post: 2009/11/05 06:30PM, Views: 1793, Replies: 92
Lizzie Come ... |
Quote GHSince1999: What happened to Michael was horrible. No doubt about it in anyway, shape or form. How Claudia manipulated Michael was so wrong. No excuse for it. She used a vulnerable child for her gain. HOWEVER- like Claudia told Carly- she was protecting herself and Johnny. Sonny would have had them both killed. She was protecting herself and her family. That is the same justification that Sonny and Jason use for all of their actions. They have to protect their own-- same as Claudia. If Claudia knew that there was one chance in a million Michael would have been hurt-- the hit would have been delayed until no innocents would have been hurt. Yes, she hired Ian Devlin but he fired the gun. He is the guilty party for what happened to Michael. Bc since Sonny believes that he can do away with anyone- the same should thought should be able to be shared by his enemies. How many hits has Jason carried out? How many times as Sonny ordered for someone to be killed? Claudia, not innocent by any means and she has done things that made her character unlikable, should not have to take full responsibility for what happened to Michael. Sonny, Jason, and Carly, IMHO are just as much to blame bc they brought him into the life. Claudia didnt bring him into a life of violence- he was a tragedy waiting to happen. Claudia's brother was taken and beaten for something he didnt do. What would Sonny or Jason do if the person they loved most was in jeopardy like Johnny was? Try take out the enemy- like Claudia. Violence creates violence- which it seems is all that happens on GH Dont mean to sound preachy or anything. The double standard just really ticked me the wrong way today Excellent Post! The hypocrisy amazes me. And, I still hope Claudia has the last laugh. |
NoSoup4you |
Great points! |
bigtimesoapfan |
Quote GHSince1999: What happened to Michael was horrible. No doubt about it in anyway, shape or form. How Claudia manipulated Michael was so wrong. No excuse for it. She used a vulnerable child for her gain. HOWEVER- like Claudia told Carly- she was protecting herself and Johnny. Sonny would have had them both killed. She was protecting herself and her family. That is the same justification that Sonny and Jason use for all of their actions. They have to protect their own-- same as Claudia. If Claudia knew that there was one chance in a million Michael would have been hurt-- the hit would have been delayed until no innocents would have been hurt. Yes, she hired Ian Devlin but he fired the gun. He is the guilty party for what happened to Michael. Bc since Sonny believes that he can do away with anyone- the same should thought should be able to be shared by his enemies. How many hits has Jason carried out? How many times as Sonny ordered for someone to be killed? Claudia, not innocent by any means and she has done things that made her character unlikable, should not have to take full responsibility for what happened to Michael. Sonny, Jason, and Carly, IMHO are just as much to blame bc they brought him into the life. Claudia didnt bring him into a life of violence- he was a tragedy waiting to happen. Claudia's brother was taken and beaten for something he didnt do. What would Sonny or Jason do if the person they loved most was in jeopardy like Johnny was? Try take out the enemy- like Claudia. Violence creates violence- which it seems is all that happens on GH Dont mean to sound preachy or anything. The double standard just really ticked me the wrong way today ITA!! Also this is the life she was raised in and again M was not the target!! Sonny imo had it coming!! and I find it interesting that She wasn't supposed to be mad @ Kristina for killing her baby! But their all mad @ her for an ACCIDENT!!! I didn't see anyone trying to hurt Michael for almost killing Kate? Thats okay right cause it's sonny's kids !! Whatever!! Give me a break!! |
luluspencer |
The only thing Claudia to me did wrong was marry Sonny, to please Daddy, she was use by these two men, and in the end she was left holding the bag, she's right, Sonny would have done the same thing, it was a hit gone bad, that's why I believe Claudia should not be killed, she has mental, problems, as Michael will in the long wrong. |
cincyghfan |
Quote GHSince1999: What happened to Michael was horrible. No doubt about it in anyway, shape or form. How Claudia manipulated Michael was so wrong. No excuse for it. She used a vulnerable child for her gain. HOWEVER- like Claudia told Carly- she was protecting herself and Johnny. Sonny would have had them both killed. She was protecting herself and her family. That is the same justification that Sonny and Jason use for all of their actions. They have to protect their own-- same as Claudia. If Claudia knew that there was one chance in a million Michael would have been hurt-- the hit would have been delayed until no innocents would have been hurt. Yes, she hired Ian Devlin but he fired the gun. He is the guilty party for what happened to Michael. Bc since Sonny believes that he can do away with anyone- the same should thought should be able to be shared by his enemies. How many hits has Jason carried out? How many times as Sonny ordered for someone to be killed? Claudia, not innocent by any means and she has done things that made her character unlikable, should not have to take full responsibility for what happened to Michael. Sonny, Jason, and Carly, IMHO are just as much to blame bc they brought him into the life. Claudia didnt bring him into a life of violence- he was a tragedy waiting to happen. Claudia's brother was taken and beaten for something he didnt do. What would Sonny or Jason do if the person they loved most was in jeopardy like Johnny was? Try take out the enemy- like Claudia. Violence creates violence- which it seems is all that happens on GH Dont mean to sound preachy or anything. The double standard just really ticked me the wrong way today I agree with you. Sonny/Jason would have done the same thing. The world they live in is dog eat dog. So Claudia was speaking the truth. |
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cincyghfan |
Quote genhospchat: The fact that Morgan and Molly were running around the alleys BY THEMSELVES, getting themselves involved in rescuing Johnny, is enough to tell me that SOMETHING needs to be done for these kids and that this mob world that they are being shown is NOT how they should be raised. Heck, BOTH Alexis and Carly have wanted their kids away from Sonny's world yet both their kids are running around in the streets by themselves? Did they sneak out? Obviously they have nannies right? Johnny took the kids to Carly's and Mercedes was just folding a blanket like it was nothing that the kids weren't there. Why was Carly even there? Wasn't Carly planning to have a quiet night in with Michael and Morgan yet she didn't know where EITHER of them were? Why did Carly have to pick up Michael? He has guards and USUALLY it's one of them or Mercedes to pick him up whenever Carly needs them to be. Not to mention, Jax and Sonny were at the party, wouldn't it have made sense for her to call one of them (or Michael himself) and have him wait in the lobby for her? I realize they probably wanted the "two Carly's" in a scene together. It was bittersweet to me that one of SBr's last scenes was her talking about "Carly's" life and her motherhood (though I do think that SBr's Carly WAS a good mom at the time). The whole thing made me look at ALL the "mobsters" and their kids and "women" differently. THe fact that Olivia said Sonny is a good person and he shouldn't feel so bad...WHAT???? HELLO Olivia, did you NOT JUST see what he did and didn't you keep the fact that Dante is his son a secret for 20 some odd years BECAUSE Sonny wasn't a good person to have around? The fact that Carly would defend Sonny AT ALL when Sonny was the one that started all this? The fact that Alexis would even be nice to Sonny after what Kristina just saw? I wish Sonny would renounce ALL his kids and live a life of celibacy! Sonny is SO selfish and today I just looked at him as nothing more than a mobster with NO human value at all. Why would you go into a room full of innocent people and announce something like that? Claudia is a mobster herself, what did Sonny THINK would happen? Did he not care that Carly was almost ready to give birth and didn't need stress (even if Carly wasn't suppose to be there, she would have heard it around town!) After today people STILL wonder why Sonny's baby momma's wanted him away from their kids? The guy is a loaded cannon with no thought to other people's lives AT ALL!! He is ALL ABOUT HIMSELF! Oh the whole thing just makes me wish this mob stuff would disappear and Mac could go back to running Port Charles. I COMPLETELY agreed with him today when he said "the violence HAS to stop and allowing Jason to go out there, it won't" and he was EXACTLY right! Let the police handle it and SHOW THEM to be competent again! For once, I was hoping SuperJase just let things be and allowed someone else to do something. Also, Jason should be smarter to know that IF anything happened to Claudia, it would be on HIM and no one else and stayed out of it until he was told he was allowed to leave. I have more views on today but I will stop there!  Gen I enjoyed reading your post... Question for you, do you believe that Jason made the right decision in allowing Lucky to claim Jake? And please this has nothing to do with Liz, just Jake. |
pegrckr |
I have no sympathy for the mobster! It's his life, it's what he chose. I do question why Morgan and Molly were in the alley and it looked like they were in school uniforms, you mean they go through the alleys on their way home? |
Devil-or-Angel |
My thoughts on the subject~ |
ghlover2009 |
Quote ghfanfare: I have no sympathy for Sonny or Jason either. Claudia's schemes were certainly no worse than anything those two have done or are doing now. However, I must say that in watching those riveting scenes today, IMHO it wasn't written sympathetically for any of the mobsters at all. Instead, I felt it showcased the fallout and tragedy of their violent lifestyle on innocent bystanders like Michael, Kristina, and mother-to-be Carly. Ita with this post 100 percent |
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ghlover2009 |
Quote luluspencer: The only thing Claudia to me did wrong was marry Sonny, to please Daddy, she was use by these two men, and in the end she was left holding the bag, she's right, Sonny would have done the same thing, it was a hit gone bad, that's why I believe Claudia should not be killed, she has mental, problems, as Michael will in the long wrong. Yes i agree her dad and sonny manipulated her into the marriage. imo she was better off without sonny |
ghfanfare |
Quote ghlover2009: Quote ghfanfare: I have no sympathy for Sonny or Jason either. Claudia's schemes were certainly no worse than anything those two have done or are doing now. However, I must say that in watching those riveting scenes today, IMHO it wasn't written sympathetically for any of the mobsters at all. Instead, I felt it showcased the fallout and tragedy of their violent lifestyle on innocent bystanders like Michael, Kristina, and mother-to-be Carly. Ita with this post 100 percent Hey, ghlover! Thanks. I did have to amend my words to include Carly in the fingerpointing...but exclude the little unborn boo. |
NewWaterford... |
Quote GHSince1999: What happened to Michael was horrible. No doubt about it in anyway, shape or form. How Claudia manipulated Michael was so wrong. No excuse for it. She used a vulnerable child for her gain. HOWEVER- like Claudia told Carly- she was protecting herself and Johnny. Sonny would have had them both killed. She was protecting herself and her family. That is the same justification that Sonny and Jason use for all of their actions. They have to protect their own-- same as Claudia. If Claudia knew that there was one chance in a million Michael would have been hurt-- the hit would have been delayed until no innocents would have been hurt. Yes, she hired Ian Devlin but he fired the gun. He is the guilty party for what happened to Michael. Bc since Sonny believes that he can do away with anyone- the same should thought should be able to be shared by his enemies. How many hits has Jason carried out? How many times as Sonny ordered for someone to be killed? Claudia, not innocent by any means and she has done things that made her character unlikable, should not have to take full responsibility for what happened to Michael. Sonny, Jason, and Carly, IMHO are just as much to blame bc they brought him into the life. Claudia didnt bring him into a life of violence- he was a tragedy waiting to happen. Claudia's brother was taken and beaten for something he didnt do. What would Sonny or Jason do if the person they loved most was in jeopardy like Johnny was? Try take out the enemy- like Claudia. Violence creates violence- which it seems is all that happens on GH Dont mean to sound preachy or anything. The double standard just really ticked me the wrong way today Very well said and I totally agree. I find the hypocrisy on the show difficult to tolerate, but in the last few days it hit a whole new level. I find the whole anger-revenge thing that they are showcasing is very different that having violence to prevent violence. The retaliation and "violent begets violence" is wearing very thin as well as the fact that Sonny and Jason's crimes are shown to be "justice and justified" whereas the crimes of others against them is evil. This dynamic epitomizes a key element of what is wrong with GH, IMHO. That is the fact that one or two criminals are held up to be the moral authority. Other criminals have to be more evil to justify Jason and Sonny's actions. The difference here was that there were layers with Johnny and Claudia, as there always are in life. It wasn't black and white. As such, the hypocrisy was highlighted. I really want the moral authority to be taken out of the hands of the mobsters. What also got to me was the fact that Jason and Sonny were talking about evidence and using terminology that the police/FBI should be using. Not mobsters. I want to see the moral authority and competence and ownership of investigations taken out of the hands of mobsters. |
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NewWaterford... |
Quote ghfanfare: Quote missnatural01: I totally agree. I don't like the character of Claudia either or many of the other mob characters for that matter. Mac was right when he said the cycle of violence needs to end. Sonny and Jason have done much worse than Claudia. I think Sonny was right when he said he got the wife he deserved. If anyone was his match it was Claudia. Love SJB, MB, JT, etc. I will just be happy to see the mob take a backseat storyline wise. I was wondering if Mac's words were a sign of things to come as well. Maybe tptb are actually planning to wrap up these stories and backburner the mob for a while?! It would be a nice change. Seems like quite a few viewers are ready for that. I hope you're right about Mac's words. I also noticed that Robin said that she is getting sick of the violence in PC and she finds that Sonny is at the centre of it all. I wonder if this is another possible sign that things are turning and the mob will not be as much in the forefront. I hope so. While i love the investigative stuff and the Jason/Spinelli dynamic of searching and retrieving info, I do wish that it was out of or on the fringe of the mob element. There has always been mob on GH but it was in greater balance. The mobsters who were the anti-heroes were the ones who helped the WSB/police but at arm's length. Those who wanted to kill were the criminals. I liked GH best when there was a balance in the mobsters and police and the moral authority was on the side of saving lives vs. taking them. Despite this, I do agree that the show is getting better over all WRT cast and storyline integration and writing. I hope that it continues -- but with a balance. |
switzerland |
Quote JASONandLIZforever: Don't get me wrong, I think both families are messed up but Claudia is "not fully cooked" (as my grandma would say lol). Instead of getting out of dodge when she found out the hit on Sonny went wrong, she CHOSE to stay and marry Sonny AND try to get knocked up hoping that would save her! C'mon now, did she really expect there to be another outcome? This lunatic has been obsessed with Sonny ever since she came to town!
Quote switzerland: Face it, Claudia was nuttier than fruitcake! And what I cannot believe is all these people feeling sorry for her OR trying to justify what she did by saying Jason or Sonny would do the same thing! What? Yes, Claudia could not forsee Michael getting shot and yes, she sure did not mean it BUT everything she did after that was calculated and manipulative! I for one, feel no ounce of sympathy for Claudia! She was damaged long ago by her father and she is crazy as a loon! Thank goodness she's leaving! BTW, I loved the episodes on Thursday and Friday! I do not feel sympathy for Sonny or Jason but I do for Michael and Kristina! They're growing up in a world of violence! i agree totally. but i also agree both families are pretty messed up. so to pick one over the other is kinda ridiculous. they were both only protecting their own. and to make one better than the other is simply onesided. i feel sad for both.sides..yes claudia is a lunatic but sonny isnt far behind her |
sonnyrocks |
I will miss Cladia, the only thing that bugged me about her was she ytied to seduce Dante but others n PC have done much worse. |
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