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No sympathy for the mobster

Started by GHSince1999 at 2009/10/30 06:01PM
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#1   2009/10/30 06:01PM
No sympathy for the mobster
GHSince1999
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What happened to Michael was horrible. No doubt about it in anyway, shape or form.

How Claudia manipulated Michael was so wrong. No excuse for it. She used a vulnerable child for her gain.

HOWEVER- like Claudia told Carly- she was protecting herself and Johnny. Sonny would have had them both killed. She was protecting herself and her family.

That is the same justification that Sonny and Jason use for all of their actions. They have to protect their own-- same as Claudia.

If Claudia knew that there was one chance in a million Michael would have been hurt-- the hit would have been delayed until no innocents would have been hurt.

Yes, she hired Ian Devlin but he fired the gun. He is the guilty party for what happened to Michael. Bc since Sonny believes that he can do away with anyone- the same should thought should be able to be shared by his enemies.

How many hits has Jason carried out?
How many times as Sonny ordered for someone to be killed?

Claudia, not innocent by any means and she has done things that made her character unlikable, should not have to take full responsibility for what happened to Michael.

Sonny, Jason, and Carly, IMHO are just as much to blame bc they brought him into the life. Claudia didnt bring him into a life of violence- he was a tragedy waiting to happen.

Claudia's brother was taken and beaten for something he didnt do. What would Sonny or Jason do if the person they loved most was in jeopardy like Johnny was? Try take out the enemy- like Claudia.

Violence creates violence- which it seems is all that happens on GH

Dont mean to sound preachy or anything. The double standard just really ticked me the wrong way today

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#2   2009/10/30 06:31PM
Re: No sympathy for the mobster
katie28
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Quote GHSince1999: What happened to Michael was horrible. No doubt about it in anyway, shape or form.

How Claudia manipulated Michael was so wrong. No excuse for it. She used a vulnerable child for her gain.

HOWEVER- like Claudia told Carly- she was protecting herself and Johnny. Sonny would have had them both killed. She was protecting herself and her family.

That is the same justification that Sonny and Jason use for all of their actions. They have to protect their own-- same as Claudia.

If Claudia knew that there was one chance in a million Michael would have been hurt-- the hit would have been delayed until no innocents would have been hurt.

Yes, she hired Ian Devlin but he fired the gun. He is the guilty party for what happened to Michael. Bc since Sonny believes that he can do away with anyone- the same should thought should be able to be shared by his enemies.

How many hits has Jason carried out?
How many times as Sonny ordered for someone to be killed?

Claudia, not innocent by any means and she has done things that made her character unlikable, should not have to take full responsibility for what happened to Michael.

Sonny, Jason, and Carly, IMHO are just as much to blame bc they brought him into the life. Claudia didnt bring him into a life of violence- he was a tragedy waiting to happen.

Claudia's brother was taken and beaten for something he didnt do. What would Sonny or Jason do if the person they loved most was in jeopardy like Johnny was? Try take out the enemy- like Claudia.

Violence creates violence- which it seems is all that happens on GH

Dont mean to sound preachy or anything. The double standard just really ticked me the wrong way today


i actually agree with EVERYTHING that you said. i don't really like claudia, and i feel like she lied and manipulated everyone for toooooo long, but... i do agree about the double standard. and what would have jason done if it were him that inadvertently caused the same thing? sooo... great post. i agree... even though i will be glad when claudia is gone. lol

#3   2009/10/30 06:38PM
Re: No sympathy for the mobster
M.Alongi
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Quote GHSince1999: What happened to Michael was horrible. No doubt about it in anyway, shape or form.

How Claudia manipulated Michael was so wrong. No excuse for it. She used a vulnerable child for her gain.

HOWEVER- like Claudia told Carly- she was protecting herself and Johnny. Sonny would have had them both killed. She was protecting herself and her family.

That is the same justification that Sonny and Jason use for all of their actions. They have to protect their own-- same as Claudia.

If Claudia knew that there was one chance in a million Michael would have been hurt-- the hit would have been delayed until no innocents would have been hurt.

Yes, she hired Ian Devlin but he fired the gun. He is the guilty party for what happened to Michael. Bc since Sonny believes that he can do away with anyone- the same should thought should be able to be shared by his enemies.

How many hits has Jason carried out?
How many times as Sonny ordered for someone to be killed?

Claudia, not innocent by any means and she has done things that made her character unlikable, should not have to take full responsibility for what happened to Michael.

Sonny, Jason, and Carly, IMHO are just as much to blame bc they brought him into the life. Claudia didnt bring him into a life of violence- he was a tragedy waiting to happen.

Claudia's brother was taken and beaten for something he didnt do. What would Sonny or Jason do if the person they loved most was in jeopardy like Johnny was? Try take out the enemy- like Claudia.

Violence creates violence- which it seems is all that happens on GH

Dont mean to sound preachy or anything. The double standard just really ticked me the wrong way today


Your totally right. There is a double standard. Jason almost shot Karpovs daughter in a warehouse himself. Mistakes are made. Like Kristina running Claudia off the road. According to the life they lead Michael getting shot should have been forgotten especially since Sonny knew retailiation would come his way after what he did to Johnny.
With the Z family wanting to break away from Sonny, Claudia could have went against him. Not shown her loyalty in PR and he would probably have died there. Claudias sin should have been cancelled out especially with Michael walking around.

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#4   2009/10/30 07:19PM
Re: No sympathy for the mobster
ghfanfare
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I have no sympathy for Sonny or Jason either. Claudia's schemes were certainly no worse than anything those two have done or are doing now.

However, I must say that in watching those riveting scenes today, IMHO it wasn't written sympathetically for any of the mobsters at all.

Instead, I felt it showcased the fallout and tragedy of their violent lifestyle on innocent bystanders like Michael, Kristina, and mother-to-be Carly.

#5   2009/10/30 08:39PM
Re: No sympathy for the mobster
magrat
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Quote ghfanfare: I have no sympathy for Sonny or Jason either. Claudia's schemes were certainly no worse than anything those two have done or are doing now.

However, I must say that in watching those riveting scenes today, IMHO it wasn't written sympathetically for any of the mobsters at all.

Instead, I felt it showcased the fallout and tragedy of their violent lifestyle on innocent bystanders like Michael, Kristina, and mother-to-be Carly.


Yes! And yes again.

#6   2009/10/30 08:49PM
Re: No sympathy for the mobster
missnatural01
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I totally agree. I don't like the character of Claudia either or many of the other mob characters for that matter. Mac was right when he said the cycle of violence needs to end. Sonny and Jason have done much worse than Claudia. I think Sonny was right when he said he got the wife he deserved. If anyone was his match it was Claudia. Love SJB, MB, JT, etc. I will just be happy to see the mob take a backseat storyline wise.

#7   2009/10/30 09:03PM
Re: No sympathy for the mobster
Jessie Brewer
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Sonny's character needs to grow up some now, he's getting too repetitive, even tho he's a good actor. Let him mature some, writers, please. His kids are getting too old for a mobster only father. Kristina is a joke; not cute, just a brat. Michael needs to settle down & Sonny needs a strong woman, not the likes of the trashy Olivia with the horrible accent & trashy low necked dresses. Yuck. They don't have to be all maniacs. I miss the old GH when there was more humor with the Q's & other's. Oh, for the old days of Luke & gang, laughing & lots of humor. They lost that somehow & only show the mobster part of them & is getting old. Let the new/old Lucky lose that little nerdy piece of hair under his lip. Ooh, that's ugly. Come on, show some other characters on the show also & the good side of them some. This is getting too depressing & dark.

#8   2009/10/30 09:16PM
Re: No sympathy for the mobster
switzerland
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Face it, Claudia was nuttier than fruitcake! And what I cannot believe is all these people feeling sorry for her OR trying to justify what she did by saying Jason or Sonny would do the same thing! What? Yes, Claudia could not forsee Michael getting shot and yes, she sure did not mean it BUT everything she did after that was calculated and manipulative! I for one, feel no ounce of sympathy for Claudia! She was damaged long ago by her father and she is crazy as a loon! Thank goodness she's leaving! BTW, I loved the episodes on Thursday and Friday! I do not feel sympathy for Sonny or Jason but I do for Michael and Kristina! They're growing up in a world of violence!

#9   2009/10/30 09:19PM
Re: No sympathy for the mobster
LovingFan
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Quote ghfanfare: I have no sympathy for Sonny or Jason either. Claudia's schemes were certainly no worse than anything those two have done or are doing now.

However, I must say that in watching those riveting scenes today, IMHO it wasn't written sympathetically for any of the mobsters at all.

Instead, I felt it showcased the fallout and tragedy of their violent lifestyle on innocent bystanders like Michael, Kristina, and mother-to-be Carly.


Carly is no innocent, she is as much at fault as Sonny and Claudia are for what happened to Michael... she knew what kind of life Sonny lived and what dangers were involved and she chose for Michael (who is not Sonny bio son) to be his son exposing him to the same danger, and she exposes everyone to Jason who is as dangerous as Sonny, and Claudia, so she is as much at fault as anyone else is.

#10   2009/10/30 09:20PM
Re: No sympathy for the mobster
2caliente
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Honestly the show as a whole is getting better and much less dark. Also I LOVE LOVE LOVE JJ, sparce scruff and all...but I digress. I agree I have no sympathy for Sonny. He chose to live his life this way and he knows the rules of the game.I don't fault Claudia for the hit, that's the way the mob works--it was her actions afterward that I did not like. Even so, this whole thing differently but Sonny
is reckless, as hes proven that yet again. I'd like to see Sonny come to justice, even if it is briefly. Maybe then he will realize that he needs to change and only he can save himself.Even Crazy went to jail. I wish Claudia would have been jailed too rather than murdered.

I can't see him leaving the mob--he's been in it far too long and it's too much a part of him... but it's not all of him. He needs to really look at what he is doing to his children. Two of the three are train wrecks (Domte doesn't count) and Morgan's saving Grace has likely been Jax's influence. I would also like to see Sonny back in therapy dealing with his anger issues and GH revisit his bipolar disorder.

I have hope that upcoming events are going to change the dynamics of the show and take a lot of the focus away from the mob.

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#11   2009/10/30 09:22PM
Re: No sympathy for the mobster
JASONandLIZf...
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Quote switzerland: Face it, Claudia was nuttier than fruitcake! And what I cannot believe is all these people feeling sorry for her OR trying to justify what she did by saying Jason or Sonny would do the same thing! What? Yes, Claudia could not forsee Michael getting shot and yes, she sure did not mean it BUT everything she did after that was calculated and manipulative! I for one, feel no ounce of sympathy for Claudia! She was damaged long ago by her father and she is crazy as a loon! Thank goodness she's leaving! BTW, I loved the episodes on Thursday and Friday! I do not feel sympathy for Sonny or Jason but I do for Michael and Kristina! They're growing up in a world of violence!


i agree totally. but i also agree both families are pretty messed up. so to pick one over the other is kinda ridiculous. they were both only protecting their own. and to make one better than the other is simply onesided.

i feel sad for both.sides..yes claudia is a lunatic but sonny isnt far behind her

#12   2009/10/30 09:24PM
Re: No sympathy for the mobster
ghfanfare
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Quote LovingFan:
Quote ghfanfare: I have no sympathy for Sonny or Jason either. Claudia's schemes were certainly no worse than anything those two have done or are doing now.

However, I must say that in watching those riveting scenes today, IMHO it wasn't written sympathetically for any of the mobsters at all.

Instead, I felt it showcased the fallout and tragedy of their violent lifestyle on innocent bystanders like Michael, Kristina, and mother-to-be Carly.


Carly is no innocent, she is as much at fault as Sonny and Claudia are for what happened to Michael... she knew what kind of life Sonny lived and what dangers were involved and she chose for Michael (who is not Sonny bio son) to be his son exposing him to the same danger, and she exposes everyone to Jason who is as dangerous as Sonny, and Claudia, so she is as much at fault as anyone else is.


That is true about Carly. She has been part of it, no doubt. However, the unborn child is innocent.

So let me rephrase that...

#13   2009/10/30 09:35PM
Re: No sympathy for the mobster
LovingFan
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Quote ghfanfare:
Quote LovingFan:
Quote ghfanfare: I have no sympathy for Sonny or Jason either. Claudia's schemes were certainly no worse than anything those two have done or are doing now.

However, I must say that in watching those riveting scenes today, IMHO it wasn't written sympathetically for any of the mobsters at all.

Instead, I felt it showcased the fallout and tragedy of their violent lifestyle on innocent bystanders like Michael, Kristina, and mother-to-be Carly.


Carly is no innocent, she is as much at fault as Sonny and Claudia are for what happened to Michael... she knew what kind of life Sonny lived and what dangers were involved and she chose for Michael (who is not Sonny bio son) to be his son exposing him to the same danger, and she exposes everyone to Jason who is as dangerous as Sonny, and Claudia, so she is as much at fault as anyone else is.


That is true about Carly. She has been part of it, no doubt. However, the unborn child is innocent.

So let me rephrase that...


I completely agree, the baby is an innocent, and Carly is so reckless with her child's life. Come on now, there was no real reason for her to be there but she was anyways, she caused the car accident, she is to balm for anything happening to that baby... Claudia is a lunatic, but comeone now, look at her father, anyone would be after dealing with THAT all your life, what is Carly's excuse, or even Sonny's... I really do like Claudia much more than Carly.

#14   2009/10/30 09:38PM
Re: No sympathy for the mobster
ghfanfare
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Quote missnatural01: I totally agree. I don't like the character of Claudia either or many of the other mob characters for that matter. Mac was right when he said the cycle of violence needs to end. Sonny and Jason have done much worse than Claudia. I think Sonny was right when he said he got the wife he deserved. If anyone was his match it was Claudia. Love SJB, MB, JT, etc. I will just be happy to see the mob take a backseat storyline wise.


I was wondering if Mac's words were a sign of things to come as well. Maybe tptb are actually planning to wrap up these stories and backburner the mob for a while?! It would be a nice change. Seems like quite a few viewers are ready for that.

#15   2009/10/31 12:33AM
Re: No sympathy for the mobster
genhospchat
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The fact that Morgan and Molly were running around the alleys BY THEMSELVES, getting themselves involved in rescuing Johnny, is enough to tell me that SOMETHING needs to be done for these kids and that this mob world that they are being shown is NOT how they should be raised.

Heck, BOTH Alexis and Carly have wanted their kids away from Sonny's world yet both their kids are running around in the streets by themselves? Did they sneak out? Obviously they have nannies right? Johnny took the kids to Carly's and Mercedes was just folding a blanket like it was nothing that the kids weren't there.

Why was Carly even there? Wasn't Carly planning to have a quiet night in with Michael and Morgan yet she didn't know where EITHER of them were? Why did Carly have to pick up Michael? He has guards and USUALLY it's one of them or Mercedes to pick him up whenever Carly needs them to be. Not to mention, Jax and Sonny were at the party, wouldn't it have made sense for her to call one of them (or Michael himself) and have him wait in the lobby for her?

I realize they probably wanted the "two Carly's" in a scene together. It was bittersweet to me that one of SBr's last scenes was her talking about "Carly's" life and her motherhood (though I do think that SBr's Carly WAS a good mom at the time).

The whole thing made me look at ALL the "mobsters" and their kids and "women" differently. THe fact that Olivia said Sonny is a good person and he shouldn't feel so bad...WHAT???? HELLO Olivia, did you NOT JUST see what he did and didn't you keep the fact that Dante is his son a secret for 20 some odd years BECAUSE Sonny wasn't a good person to have around?

The fact that Carly would defend Sonny AT ALL when Sonny was the one that started all this?

The fact that Alexis would even be nice to Sonny after what Kristina just saw?

I wish Sonny would renounce ALL his kids and live a life of celibacy! Sonny is SO selfish and today I just looked at him as nothing more than a mobster with NO human value at all. Why would you go into a room full of innocent people and announce something like that? Claudia is a mobster herself, what did Sonny THINK would happen? Did he not care that Carly was almost ready to give birth and didn't need stress (even if Carly wasn't suppose to be there, she would have heard it around town!)

After today people STILL wonder why Sonny's baby momma's wanted him away from their kids? The guy is a loaded cannon with no thought to other people's lives AT ALL!! He is ALL ABOUT HIMSELF!

Oh the whole thing just makes me wish this mob stuff would disappear and Mac could go back to running Port Charles. I COMPLETELY agreed with him today when he said "the violence HAS to stop and allowing Jason to go out there, it won't" and he was EXACTLY right! Let the police handle it and SHOW THEM to be competent again!

For once, I was hoping SuperJase just let things be and allowed someone else to do something. Also, Jason should be smarter to know that IF anything happened to Claudia, it would be on HIM and no one else and stayed out of it until he was told he was allowed to leave.

I have more views on today but I will stop there!

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