General Hospital - MESSAGE BOARDS

as always, NM- love your posts!

i am liking liz less and less. i love JJ's lucky... i LOVE HIM, but regardless of what lucky is on my screen, liz was so completely wrong. yes, i get that she is confused and says that she is "trying" to do the right thing, but is she really trying, because from what i am seeing... she is doing the exact opposite. how hard is it to stay away from your fiancee's brother, and if it's THAT hard.... how hard is it to keep your lips off of his lips???

yes, nik is at fault as well... but liz has been the one running to wyndemere every five seconds... and yesterday... she initiated the kiss.

as for lucky being responsible for this situation, i am sorry, but that is just not so. yes, liz is scared of what will happen if they marry again, but liz is more afraid for herself... not for lucky. i think that luke nailed it when he said that he once was afraid lucky would wake up one day and feel trapped, but now he feels like it is liz he should worry about... not lucky! i couldn't agree more with him.

liz needs to get her ish together, because she is making everything worse with every little thing she does and says. don't tell lucky you love him and want to marry him... and then start kissing him and get freaked out and run away just to make out with his brother... it's just getting ridiculous. her character is less and less attractive to me the more she speaks and the more she does.

she should know better than anyone what lies can do to someone... and i am sorry, but if she is afraid of how lucky will react (which i still don't buy).... look at where he is now. even though he was lied to about being jake's father for all those months... he stepped up and stayed in their lives. he's a good father. he deserves the truth... no matter how hard it may be for liz to tell.

i also feel that helena was slightly right about liz. she, in my eyes, has become somewhat of a manipulator. she is lying and hiding things... and telling lucky one thing... but feeling another. not so good, liz.... not so good.

I don't mean to jump into your debate, but I think regardless of who is playing Lucky right now...what Liz is doing is wrong. Although Alikat makes solid arguments, they are basis and I completely respect the fact that you admit this. I've noticed that people support their favorites wit such vigor, but don't recognize their own basis in their arguments. Elizabeth is hurting a man who hurt her in the past, but she is also hurting two innocent children. Two little boys who have done nothing wrong. Lucky may not be there father, but Jason is not their father either or at least in every real sense of the word. It bothers me when people say that Jason should be Cake. Jason should be father to Jake, but not Cameron. Lucky is Cameron's father. Jason will NEVER be his father, his step-father maybe, but not this father. I find amusing that in the soapland DNA means everything, but the actions of a father mean nothing. We can also argue that Lucky hasn't been the best dad. His drug story, his verbal abuse toward Elizabeth, ect. However, we only see some of the family moments and some of the glimpses of the father that Lucky is to the boys. They don't show us very much. They focus on the drama and we define Lucky as a father in those moments. A lot of them at bad. I think it's funny that most of the moments we see of Liz as mother are also bad, but we don't let those moments define her. I don't think the audience has ever been fair to GV's Lucky. But I think we all have to admit and Liz admits it as well and she's done it many in the last few weeks that Lucky loves those little boys and he is a good dad. With JJ playing Lucky, I think we might see end of the stigma that Liz can do no wrong and see Lucky receive a little more attention as an actor on and off the canvas. I am personally sick of the Liason/Jasam debate and I'd love to see Lucky find a woman who loves him with everything that she is. I don't think Liz is capable of that anymore. I think that GH needs a new couple JJ could be the half of that. Lucky is truly a "legacy character" ( I'm not sure what that means but it is thrown around a lot) and he deserves to be treated with respect. Give him a little thunder or something!!

Sorry that turned into a rant...but I love this character and would like to see some good things happen for him.

Do I like this story? NO but not for the reasons you might think. It's a soapy story line...a classic...torn between two brothers. It's as old as soaps. That part doesn't bother me. After all, it is a SOAP and that's what they do.

I'm good with Liz because while her actions are wrong and will cause pain, it is NOT her INTENT. This is not a game to hurt Lucky as Nik is doing with Rebecca. Her actions are immoral but not illegal and a moral soap is an oxymoron.

A few things bother me. First, the lack of creativity of the writers to put Liz in yet another story line involving a triangle with a different 3rd party. Lot's of similarities and tptb haven't met a story they won't beat into the ground. It's essentially the same story...confusing love of Lucky with being in love with Lucky and not wanting to hurt him.

The second thing that bothers me is the writers using a short cut to invoke change for Lucky. Instead of writing their way out...they invoke all of the feelings and thoughts we had for the old Lucky by using the original. Lucky hasn't been 'good' in years.

Finally, Nil feels incestuous to me...always have but again, its a soap so I guess I have to just roll with it.

I can't speak for Gen but my guess in regards to her comments about the thread being closed down has nothing to do with your right to express your dislike of Liz but that these threads tend to turn ugly and therefore are closed. I hope that won't happen.

LOL at thread title. All episode yesterday that was what i was thinking bc for me JJ is not the GV/JY Lucky.

He is the Lucky who played guitar and was so sweet. It is almost tough to watch and remember that Lucky is still the same as he was a week ago... its going to be tough

I am a major Liz fan but I hate what she is doing to Lucky. Bc now matter what has happened in the past or what your intentions are, not to hurt the other person, etc, there is absolutely no excuse for her treating him like that. To be fooling around with his best friend, his brother?
That is so disgusting!

Elizabeth used to be a character who I thought was respectful but doing this... It would have been one thing to sleep with Nikolas then tell LUcky, but to get engaged and keep being with Nikolas??? That is just wrong and her character is turning into someone who is starting to become unlikable....

It reminds me of what the writers did to Sam like a year or two ago.. writing her so outside of her that it was like "what are you doing! she would never do that".. will b interesting to see what happens...

BTW JJ looks so young! Like hardly aged...

I love Elizabeth Webber even when she is a little misguided in her love life at the moment.

[quote]Quote alikat: [quote]Quote (yes my neighbor has a mote and a launch and a creepy but nice butler named Alfred that lets any old person in ) (NM...that was my sarchasm slipping out...sorry )

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This type of sarcasim does not bother me, it's actual funny.

I get Liz wants to do the right thing but she is doing the polar opposite of right. I hated that she really laid it on so thick yesterday and then bolted into Niks arms.

I also think both Liz and Lucky have forgiven each other for their respective past mistakes and he does deserve to be with Liz (just not this Liz) and there is NO way Lucky could know what is truely bothering Liz. I don't think he would EVER think she is sleeping with his brother therefore, I don't think he is clueless. I agree with you in that he thinks Liz still feels bad about Jason/Jake which he even told Laura on the phone.

I would love to see them back together but it's hard to imagine now that the writers have gone down this road...

Still pissed at Liz

CarlylovesSonny:

I think it's impossible to be an unbiased soap viewer unless you are completely new to the show. I think no matter what...if you've seen them on your screen more than five times you are going to have an opinion one way or another.

Example: I cannot stand the girl who plays Mac on Y&R right now. Why? It's her eyebrows. They bug the crap out of me but oh well...can't get past it enough to like her or care what she says. It's biased.

Example: I love Carly. She's skeevy sometimes, vindictive, heck she slept with two men within hours (thankfully with a shower between). She's not a great mother. She's reactionary, witchy and is with Jax whom I additionally don't like. She's too needy and too much in Jason's business. But I love her so so very much. Why? Because Laura Wright is the actress so no matter what she does...I find myself smiling when she's on my screen. I don't always agree with her and sometimes even get the mean face but I still love her. It's biased.