General Hospital - MESSAGE BOARDS

Hell she doesn't deserve Nikolas. I think that she be alone because what doing to Lucky. I am proud to say that I hate her with a passion!!!!!!!

I am a HUGE Liz fan and I don't want her with Nik or Liz either! I think you will find A LOT of Liz fans don't want her with either of them!

You don't think Nik has ANY blame in this? It's his brother, he has a girlfriend!

I DO feel bad for Lucky and just wish they would end these two IMMEDIATELY, if not sooner!!!!!!!!! I didn't want them together after them being with others, so I CERTAINLY don't want it NOW!!!!

Well at least I got to say something before this thread got closed!

genhospchat, what makes you think that this thread is going to get closed? Anti-Liz people have the right to express our opinion as Pro-Liz people do. I'am a proud Anti-Liz.

While I was mildly annoyed with Liz for what she has been doing to Lucky, after yesterday's show I was REALLY annoyed with her.

I think it may have something to do with the new/old Lucky and yesterday's scenes. While I liked GV's Lucky, JJ is a gentler Lucky who also seems more vunerable to me.

I am still somewhat annoyed with Nik but not as much as Liz. Liz repeatedly told Lucky she loved him, it was HER dream for all of them to live together in his house and told him she wanted to make love with him. Then BAM, she ran out and in the next scene she is macking with Nik, Lucky's brother I am glad Luke saw them. I just hate this s/l

For the record, I think this thread should remain as well Lisa.

Up until a few weeks ago, I was all for Niz. It's a hot pairing because it's just so wrong. That was until I heard JJ was coming back and now I'm just praying to fallout won't be too bad. I've hated Lucky since JJ left and I was enjoying his pain. I've always really liked Liz but I found myself yelling at the TV yesterday and calling her all sorts of foul names.

I'm a proud Liz-fan but I was also bothered by yesterday's scenes. Like stacy, I was OK with Liz getting her groove on with Nik (so bad but so good, if you get my drift) but that was with Greg Vaughn's Lucky in the picture. Probably because I watched Jonathan Jackson grow up on my screen as Lucky, I feel slightly maternal toward him and I don't want him to get hurt. (I never stopped hoping he'd return to GH someday and now I've gotten my wish.) I can see his Lucky with no one but Liz and vice versa. I'm just hoping the Niz relapse yesterday was just a way for the writers to get the issue on the table (ahem...not the blackjack table ) with Jonathan Jackson being back and then figure out a way to quickly extricate Liz from the Niz mess. I have a feeling though that a resolution to this soapy conflict is going to be awhile in coming.

While Liz has always been a fav of mine, I am so dissapointed in the charecters. Lucky does deserve better @ this point!! I hope the Rebecca/em spoilers are true!!

This is the reason why I don’t want Lizzie with Lucky as a couple because it has always been about Lucky. She is insignificant if it doesn't revolve around Lucky. As long as Lizzie walks a straight and narrow line and don’t hurt or upset Lucky she is accepted and love. If Lizzie hurts Lucky then she has falling out of grace by some. I detest this couple because it has never been about Lizzie. It doesn't matter what Lizzie wants and it doesn't matter if she is happy as long as Lucky is happy in this relationship. Lucky can do no wrong to some and if he does then there must be a good reason why he did it and is excused for hurting Lizzie no matter what it is. This dude has never been persecuted for hurting Lizzie as much as Lizzie has been tar and feather for hurting Lucky. “Lizzie Doesn’t Deserve Someone As Good As Lucky;” please when did he become the all mighty sainted Lucky because Lucky has not always been all that good to Lizzie. He has manipulated her for years. He pushes her, and pushes her and he is a master in making her feel guilty. And, when Lucky is angry with her and refuses to forgive her he will find a way to punish her again; but, it won’t matter because I’m sure there will be some who feel she rightfully deserves it. Yes, she accepted the proposal; but, she didn’t want to rush into marrying him because she had doubts and Lucky knew it, so he did what Lucky does best helped her out. That engagement party was a prime example how Lucky manipulated the situation and pushed her knowing she would not have the guts to break off the engagement if the entire family knew about them marrying again because he know she is "people pleasers." Lucky so conveniently made sure that Nik and Rebecca knew they were engaged right after she told him not to say anything to anyone. Yes, she is wrong; but, so is he.

She loves Lucky; but, I think she is trying to convince herself that she is in love with Lucky and if she keeps saying it she will start to believe it. Lucky is not that blind he knows and see the truth that is why he did what he did. As I mentioned earlier, I agree what she is doing to Lucky is wrong and Oh how I wish she will tell him the truth about not loving him any longer and that she has feelings for someone else and leave Lucky alone; but, she just can't seem to rid herself of feeling obligated to him. And, she has been Lucky crutch for so long that he is afraid to stand on his own too legs. They are both wrong for each other; but, they both are afraid of changes and taking risks. And, what make it worse is that they are both trying to keep a promise that they made as teenagers. And, JJ playing this role makes me detest this couple even more because he was the originator of this character and is so loved. He knows Lizzie isn't happy; but, he also knows her two weaknesses (1) she will do anything for her kids and (2) she is a people pleaser through and through.

If she could be without a man it would please me; but, GH won’t go down that road and keep her front and center because GH want couples and not individualism from a strong woman. And, right now I am enjoying Niz and I am enjoying watching Becky Herbst in a storyline because I’m sick and tire of just seeing her at the nurse’s station shuffling the papers and everyone else getting air time and being front and center. Becky Herbst deserves this storyline and I'm happy for her.

In my opinion, Lucky does not deserve Elizabeth either. He is not completely faultless in what Elizabeth is doing now. He has proven over the years that he does not handle rejection well. Especially rejection from her. She's scared for how HE will react because his past has proven that he's unstable and retaliatory. And his actions in the past have been much less that stellar.

He has tried to make ammends though.

She's confused. I get that. Is she handling it well? NO, absolutely not. She's not being honest with Lucky and that's the problem. She's so concerned with hurting Lucky, hurting her kids, hurting everyone. The person she's not thinking about is herself. And THAT'S a problem.

If you put everyone first in your life, you are doing yourself a disservice and therefore you are never 100% for anyone.

She has feelings, albeit at this point lustful, for Nikolas. It's wrong, it's forbidden fruit, it's obviously passionate.

It's like putting on a bandaid when you need stitches. It doesn't fix the problem. She's feeling good FOR THE MOMENT. Kind of like alcoholics and the drink or drug addicts and the drug. It's a temporary satisfaction that does nothng more than exacerbate the problem.

The problem is that she's been through SO MUCH!!!

SHE has not worked through everything. She probably needs counseling. Grief counseling, victim counseling, counseling for killing someone. Counseling for everything from the guilt she feels for her kids to the fact that she felt completely slighted by her parents who never seemed to have time for her. (Which could very well be a factor in her NEED to try to make that picture perfect life with Lucky for the boys) There's so much inside her that portrays an almost self loathing about herself at this point. Everyone seems to be getting the happy ending except her. Lucky, her kids, Jason, the Spencer Family, REBECCA!!!

Something in her HAS to break and I think we are seeing it break in this destruction, all knowing, of her family, her WHOLE family and she's the fuse. I don't think she even realizes it at this point. She thinks she's just wrong but can't stop herself. She doesn't realize that she's singlehandedly destroying every good thing around her one piece at a time.

And in that, you have to ask, why is she doing that? Why are the writers writing her like that?

It's a great soapy story, two brothers in love with one girl. Then add to the mix the history behind the brothers, their families, Elizabeth's roles in all of their lives. Top it off with two innocent children who love Lucky as if he were their father but isn't. Throw in a side story of a love never able to be realized (read: Jason) and honestly, I hope the writers keep pushing this and writing it well. Take it slowly and let it fester until finally ELIZABETH is the one to completely break.

Then in my dream of dreams, it's Jason to help her pick up the pieces, even if as just a friend. He always has before.

In the end, I don't hate Elizabeth, I don't hate the story. I think what she's done, to Lucky and to Nikolas is so completely Elizabeth. Confused, always trying to do the right thing, never putting herself first.

I absolutely love love LOVE this story.

NM...I didn't take offense to your DEBATE on the opposing side from me. (See how that works when we are adults...you didn't just highlight my post and call me a dumb poopyhead or worse) I love debate and you and many others know it. When there are two well thought out arguments, the pro and the con, I truly enjoy this board.

Okay...stepping down off the soapbox. Teehee

Now...for the crux of your argument. Well...I don't have one. I think she's wrong too. I guess I'm just looking into why. If it were a character I don't like...I probably wouldn't look that deep.

And yes, I too am guilty of saying "she should know better" but that doesn't stop the true depths of the reason WHY she's doing it. And lets face it. This may be a biblical transgression or a moral sin but it's not a criminal act so there is a MAJOR difference. Some things, no matter what the past holds are unexcusable.

Now finally, and Nightmoves, I'm specifically asking you this, although I'd love to see others chime in as well...your statement