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Why is it always the women???

Started by Marocgirl at 2009/10/26 09:18AM
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#1   2009/10/26 09:18AM
Why is it always the women???
Marocgirl
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Ok 1st off, This is maybe my second time posting so I'm really new to this. But I've been reading alot off the threads in the past 11/2 so that's what I'm going on ok. Bear with me. Second I've been watching Gh since I was abt 8 yrs old so abt 18 yrs now on and off, more on then off. I don't really have any favorites, I love the show as a whole so keep that in mind please.

So my questions is why is it always the women of GH that get called out. I rarely ever read anything abt the Men of GH and if I do it's not very often. People are wondering why Claudia's being thrown to the wolves and Sam's getting away with what she did? Well I want to know why Johnny who was also in on Claudia crazy scheme is not getting any heat. He gets to move on and have a love life with Olivia and work with Sonny who's son was shot and have a friendship with Jason who is trying to get Claudia. I could be mistaken but I'm pretty sure Johnny knew what Claudia was up to? So if Jason is going after claudia because of the shooting then why isn't Johnny going down with her. She may have made the call but HE KNEW AND AGREED TO IT. I don't care if it was an ACCIDENT, it resulted in a child being shot in the head. But that is rarely discussed. I like johnny so it's nothing against him I'm just asking.

Another thing, people are saying Jason is ooc. Maybe because of how he's being written,I think it's just lazy writing by the writers, because they want claudia out so they are having jason do it. Bad writing. I hear Jason is a hypocrite because he's with Sam again. But I never hear that he's an A** for what he did to both Liz and Sam. He had a child with another women after years of being with Sam,while I know there were alot of people out there that were so happy abt it, I was disgusted. I watched my sister for years struggle to have a baby and it was heartbreaking to watch. Every child was a constant reminder of what she didn't have ,i could imagine what she would have done if her husband had a child with someone else. It was his responsibility to tell Sam abt Jake,Not Liz's, but the only thing I heard Liz is wrong because she told Jason not to say anything. She wasn't the one in the 2 1/2year relationship with Sam. She's not the one who said "I've never loved anyone like I've loved you" to Sam. She's not the one who kept it a secret. It's Jason's FAULT. If he had told Sam maybe the it would have been a different out come. Who knows?

When Sonny kissed Olivia, again it was Olivia's a Ho. Ummm I don't remember her raping him but hey I have missed a few show so maybe I missed that episode.I if did please fill me in.

Anyways Sorry abt the long post but I really would like to hear what you all have to say. Again I have no favorites. I prefer some storyline over others but I usually watch for the whole show. This not a jasam Liason war zone it's a Make the men pay too war,just making that clear.

#2   2009/10/26 09:34AM
Re: Why is it always the women???
Nightmoves
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Quote Marocgirl: Ok 1st off, This is maybe my second time posting so I'm really new to this. But I've been reading alot off the threads in the past 11/2 so that's what I'm going on ok. Bear with me. Second I've been watching Gh since I was abt 8 yrs old so abt 18 yrs now on and off, more on then off. I don't really have any favorites, I love the show as a whole so keep that in mind please.

So my questions is why is it always the women of GH that get called out. I rarely ever read anything abt the Men of GH and if I do it's not very often. People are wondering why Claudia's being thrown to the wolves and Sam's getting away with what she did? Well I want to know why Johnny who was also in on Claudia crazy scheme is not getting any heat. He gets to move on and have a love life with Olivia and work with Sonny who's son was shot and have a friendship with Jason who is trying to get Claudia. I could be mistaken but I'm pretty sure Johnny knew what Claudia was up to? So if Jason is going after claudia because of the shooting then why isn't Johnny going down with her. She may have made the call but HE KNEW AND AGREED TO IT. I don't care if it was an ACCIDENT, it resulted in a child being shot in the head. But that is rarely discussed. I like johnny so it's nothing against him I'm just asking.

Another thing, people are saying Jason is ooc. Maybe because of how he's being written,I think it's just lazy writing by the writers, because they want claudia out so they are having jason do it. Bad writing. I hear Jason is a hypocrite because he's with Sam again. But I never hear that he's an A** for what he did to both Liz and Sam. He had a child with another women after years of being with Sam,while I know there were alot of people out there that were so happy abt it, I was disgusted. I watched my sister for years struggle to have a baby and it was heartbreaking to watch. Every child was a constant reminder of what she didn't have ,i could imagine what she would have done if her husband had a child with someone else. It was his responsibility to tell Sam abt Jake,Not Liz's, but the only thing I heard Liz is wrong because she told Jason not to say anything. She wasn't the one in the 2 1/2year relationship with Sam. She's not the one who said "I've never loved anyone like I've loved you" to Sam. She's not the one who kept it a secret. It's Jason's FAULT. If he had told Sam maybe the it would have been a different out come. Who knows?

When Sonny kissed Olivia, again it was Olivia's a Ho. Ummm I don't remember her raping him but hey I have missed a few show so maybe I missed that episode.I if did please fill me in.

Anyways Sorry abt the long post but I really would like to hear what you all have to say. Again I have no favorites. I prefer some storyline over others but I usually watch for the whole show. This not a jasam Liason war zone it's a Make the men pay too war,just making that clear.


Hi Marocgirl With the exception of Sonny being called out on a regular basis, I'd have to agree with you. I think I even started a thread about this last year.

I can't explain why, but it is just a fact that the woman seem to get the worst of the criticisim and most of us are all guilty of it at some point

#3   2009/10/26 09:39AM
Re: Why is it always the women???
ghfanfare
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Hello, Marocgirl. Welcome to the mb!

Well, I agree with some of what you're saying. Since this is mostly women on here, I would say somewhat generally that women do seem to be harder on other women than on the men...but not always.

For example, there is a thread here called the ex-JoLu fan thread. That thread is chock full of bashing on Johnny and ♫ every breath he takes, every move he makes. ♫

There was also a thread going for a while called Jason is a Punk for those of us, including myself, who are sick of Jason getting off the hook for all his bad behavior while the women take the brunt of it.

Finally, on any given day, there is usually an I can't stand Sonny thread, because a good majority of us here are quite sick of him with his promiscuous ways and criminal behavior. Lots of us would love to see him go down.

So take heart! Things are not always as they seem!

#4   2009/10/26 09:41AM
Re: Why is it always the women???
really241
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Can I just say first and foremost I have honestly never even thought about it like that before.....You raise come good points it has always been which one of the women are at fault....


I love jason but he was an A@@ for not owning up to his error in the whole situation and for getting one pregnant and keeping it from the other....


and you would be correct Johnny did know about the hit on sonny...granite he def showed more sympathy and regret then claudia did, and I think hat is why some of us have overlooked it is that johnny is deeply sorry for michael getting shot. and to all the Johnny lovers out there...DO not THROW THINGS AT ME PLEASE! (lol) he is technically an accessorry bc he knew and helped his sister cover it up...


hmmm never thought of it like that before....you really gave me food for thought here...I Liiiike it!

#5   2009/10/26 09:44AM
Re: Why is it always the women???
onlygh
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Quote ghfanfare: For example, there is a thread here called the ex-JoLu fan thread. That thread is chock full of bashing on Johnny and ♫ every breath he takes, every move he makes. ♫



teeheehee ghfanfare!!! Poor Johnny...he has been bashed relentlessly for breaking Fair Lulu's heart...enough already, IMHO.

Welcome to the board Maro! Terrific first post! As Nightmoves and ghfanfare note, we do take the men to task (especially the Sonnster) for their trampy behavior from time-to-time. It is true that the women characters get the worst of it though.

I must add here that I am a strong proponent of keeping trampiness (for males and females alike) in my soaps...so much more fun that way!

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#6   2009/10/26 09:57AM
Re: Why is it always the women???
liz-fan
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If you want the answer it's easy.

Women.
We connect with one characer or another and that character is the one we see ourselves as.

We as women see other women as our rivals not the men. Therefore it has to be the womans fault not the mans. We see it everyday in girls and women whose boyfriends or husbands have had an affair. They can be hurt by the male but it's laid at the females feet so we can keep the relationship established between the pairing. If we blame the man and he wholes responibility then how can we except him back? We can't.

#7   2009/10/26 09:57AM
Re: Why is it always the women???
clalvis
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Quote Marocgirl: Ok 1st off, This is maybe my second time posting so I'm really new to this. But I've been reading alot off the threads in the past 11/2 so that's what I'm going on ok. Bear with me. Second I've been watching Gh since I was abt 8 yrs old so abt 18 yrs now on and off, more on then off. I don't really have any favorites, I love the show as a whole so keep that in mind please.

So my questions is why is it always the women of GH that get called out. I rarely ever read anything abt the Men of GH and if I do it's not very often. People are wondering why Claudia's being thrown to the wolves and Sam's getting away with what she did? Well I want to know why Johnny who was also in on Claudia crazy scheme is not getting any heat. He gets to move on and have a love life with Olivia and work with Sonny who's son was shot and have a friendship with Jason who is trying to get Claudia. I could be mistaken but I'm pretty sure Johnny knew what Claudia was up to? So if Jason is going after claudia because of the shooting then why isn't Johnny going down with her. She may have made the call but HE KNEW AND AGREED TO IT. I don't care if it was an ACCIDENT, it resulted in a child being shot in the head. But that is rarely discussed. I like johnny so it's nothing against him I'm just asking.

Another thing, people are saying Jason is ooc. Maybe because of how he's being written,I think it's just lazy writing by the writers, because they want claudia out so they are having jason do it. Bad writing. I hear Jason is a hypocrite because he's with Sam again. But I never hear that he's an A** for what he did to both Liz and Sam. He had a child with another women after years of being with Sam,while I know there were alot of people out there that were so happy abt it, I was disgusted. I watched my sister for years struggle to have a baby and it was heartbreaking to watch. Every child was a constant reminder of what she didn't have ,i could imagine what she would have done if her husband had a child with someone else. It was his responsibility to tell Sam abt Jake,Not Liz's, but the only thing I heard Liz is wrong because she told Jason not to say anything. She wasn't the one in the 2 1/2year relationship with Sam. She's not the one who said "I've never loved anyone like I've loved you" to Sam. She's not the one who kept it a secret. It's Jason's FAULT. If he had told Sam maybe the it would have been a different out come. Who knows?

When Sonny kissed Olivia, again it was Olivia's a Ho. Ummm I don't remember her raping him but hey I have missed a few show so maybe I missed that episode.I if did please fill me in.

Anyways Sorry abt the long post but I really would like to hear what you all have to say. Again I have no favorites. I prefer some storyline over others but I usually watch for the whole show. This not a jasam Liason war zone it's a Make the men pay too war,just making that clear.




I can't speak for Jason and Johnny. Could be because they are gorgeous.

I'm glad your paragragh for Sonny was small.

But for Sonny(also gorgeous), he is always going to be the butt of jokes. His character is to be the dimpled faced Mobster, and he plays that part quite well. Women and slaughter goes with the job.

When Sonny left Brenda at the altar in order to "save her", some could look at it as a noble thing to do, but like Brenda said, he could have told her he was leaving and why, and that way she wouldn't have lost her mind. Sonny reacts to his emotions with his women, his business and his children. Is he sorry afterwards?...yes. Great acting comes from these scenes.

Also....Welcome to the MB.

#8   2009/10/26 10:26AM
Re: Why is it always the women???
JaneDoe
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Welcome Marocgirl!

As ghfanfare has said, there have been many male bashing threads as well. I've done my fair share of Sonny, Lucky, and Jax bashing if that counts. I bashed Johnny once upon a time, but he's just too d@mn hot to be mad at for too long.

As far as the Johnny/Claudia situation goes, I DO blame Claudia MUCH more than I blame Johnny. Johnny wanted to kill Sonny himself, but Claudia thought he should not get involved and SHE ordered the hit. Yes, he knew about her putting a hit on Sonny, but he knew NO other detail as far as when, where, who, etc....... If Claudia had let her brother be a big boy and handle the hit himself it would have been a whole different story, but it was because of Claudia and HER ignorance that an incompetent loser who would fire a gun with a child present was hired and Michael got shot.

#9   2009/10/26 10:58AM
Re: Why is it always the women???
Marocgirl
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Thanks everyone for the answers and the welcome, I appreciate it.

Ok 1st Clavis See that's the thing I know both of them are hot so it probably is one of the many reasons lol. NM Ghfanfare and only you guys are right Sonny is called out quite often. I just don't really care for him so I threw him in the mix,lol. ghfanfare so I took your advice and ventured into the jolu thread. Wow that was a breath of fresh air. I've never been in that thread because I never cared for the couple, but that was really something else.

Ok lizfan I'm going to say that you might be right, but I don't agree with it all.

Women.
We connect with one characer or another and that character is the one we see ourselves as.

Sure ok,I'll take that and this

We as women see other women as our rivals not the men.

But this

They can be hurt by the male but it's laid at the females feet so we can keep the relationship established between the pairing. If we blame the man and he wholes responibility then how can we except him back? We can't.

I'm not sure if I'm getting this part. Are you saying, the female has to be blamed to make the male look better or so they can use that to keep the relationship together? Maybe I'm just be a total femminist or hey maybe i'm just crazy, but I would prefer to actual see Jason and Johnny both say hey I screwed up, then from there I'll move on.

Johnny is a part of what happened so why is his part being swept under the rug. So he can be with Olivia?

Clavis The scene your talking about I remember. Gh back then was the best. I loved it. i actually like sonny back then.

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#10   2009/10/26 12:04PM
Re: Why is it always the women???
meowbowow
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Quote really241: Can I just say first and foremost I have honestly never even thought about it like that before.....You raise come good points it has always been which one of the women are at fault....


I love jason but he was an A@@ for not owning up to his error in the whole situation and for getting one pregnant and keeping it from the other....


and you would be correct Johnny did know about the hit on sonny...granite he def showed more sympathy and regret then claudia did, and I think hat is why some of us have overlooked it is that johnny is deeply sorry for michael getting shot. and to all the Johnny lovers out there...DO not THROW THINGS AT ME PLEASE! (lol) he is technically an accessorry bc he knew and helped his sister cover it up...


hmmm never thought of it like that before....you really gave me food for thought here...I Liiiike it!


That's one reason I'm not being hard on Johnny for the shooting. He's shown deep remorse and has even distanced himself from Claudia to the point where he's gone off on her about it many times. He's tried to get her to confess from just about the get-go. He would have come forward long ago if he knew it wouldn't have gotten Claudia killed.

As for why not men well the one poster said it all. We've been hard on Jason and have called him out on his shtick, please see the Jason Fan Only thread and other threads as well. Jax has also been called out and again as someone said Sonny on almost a daily basis. Welcome to the board by the way and as u r on here often enough, you'll find this to be true. Happy posting!!

#11   2009/10/26 12:07PM
Re: Why is it always the women???
liz-fan
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Quote Marocgirl: Thanks everyone for the answers and the welcome, I appreciate it.

Ok 1st Clavis See that's the thing I know both of them are hot so it probably is one of the many reasons lol. NM Ghfanfare and only you guys are right Sonny is called out quite often. I just don't really care for him so I threw him in the mix,lol. ghfanfare so I took your advice and ventured into the jolu thread. Wow that was a breath of fresh air. I've never been in that thread because I never cared for the couple, but that was really something else.

Ok lizfan I'm going to say that you might be right, but I don't agree with it all.

Women.
We connect with one characer or another and that character is the one we see ourselves as.

Sure ok,I'll take that and this

We as women see other women as our rivals not the men.

But this

They can be hurt by the male but it's laid at the females feet so we can keep the relationship established between the pairing. If we blame the man and he wholes responibility then how can we except him back? We can't.

I'm not sure if I'm getting this part. Are you saying, the female has to be blamed to make the male look better or so they can use that to keep the relationship together? Maybe I'm just be a total femminist or hey maybe i'm just crazy, but I would prefer to actual see Jason and Johnny both say hey I screwed up, then from there I'll move on.

Johnny is a part of what happened so why is his part being swept under the rug. So he can be with Olivia?

Clavis The scene your talking about I remember. Gh back then was the best. I loved it. i actually like sonny back then.


The pat you are disputing is that we see ourselves as that character.

On some leval you either see your self or someone you truly love as that person. If yoou didn't you would not connect to that character. This is an emotional connection. I know many will say "No" it's just a show but if that is true then why do they feel the need to discuss it at all?

I have as of late started to watch Criminal Minds, I like the show but I don't talk about it. I watch and that's it.

Next many may say I want to hear them say they where wrong... but if it is that easy to make a mess out of what they feel for the female and move on then what is to say they won't do it again. Therefore we as females find it easier to rationalize. All fanbases do it, I do it and I know many won't agree but look at the threads and then see what you think.

#12   2009/10/26 12:19PM
Re: Why is it always the women???
JaneDoe
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Quote liz-fan: On some leval you either see your self or someone you truly love as that person. If yoou didn't you would not connect to that character. This is an emotional connection. I know many will say "No" it's just a show but if that is true then why do they feel the need to discuss it at all?



To me it IS just a show......a show that I care very much about, but still just a show. I may like certain characters for the qualities they possess, but I don't have an emotional connection to them. To me it's all about a world that I do not live in and it's an escape from my everyday life. Everything has become so reality driven and the simple entertainment from a drama or comedy has been lost IMO. I like to discuss General Hospital simply because it's a part of my daily life, I've watched it for over 25 years and it's simply fun to discuss. I DO think that there are posters here who are emotionally involved and it shows dramatically in their posting style, but I can promise you that is not the case for us all. It's a show where couples come and go, people get away with things they'd never get away with IRL, and characters are constantly changing and evolving. Nothing is real and that's what I love most about it. It's very simple.

#13   2009/10/26 12:23PM
Re: Why is it always the women???
liz-fan
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Quote JaneDoe:
Quote liz-fan: On some leval you either see your self or someone you truly love as that person. If yoou didn't you would not connect to that character. This is an emotional connection. I know many will say "No" it's just a show but if that is true then why do they feel the need to discuss it at all?



To me it IS just a show......a show that I care very much about, but still just a show. I may like certain characters for the qualities they possess, but I don't have an emotional connection to them. To me it's all about a world that I do not live in and it's an escape from my everyday life. Everything has become so reality driven and the simple entertainment from a drama or comedy has been lost IMO. I like to discuss General Hospital simply because it's a part of my daily life, I've watched it for over 25 years and it's simply fun to discuss. I DO think that there are posters here who are emotionally involved and it shows dramatically in their posting style, but I can promise you that is not the case for us all. It's a show where couples come and go, people get away with things they'd never get away with IRL, and characters are constantly changing and evolving. Nothing is real and that's what I love most about it. It's very simple.


Again Jane we will have to disagree. I stated my point of view and said to read the threads and make her own views. These are mine and I doubt seriously that anyone could convince me otherwise.

#14   2009/10/26 12:33PM
Re: Why is it always the women???
JaneDoe
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Quote liz-fan:
Quote JaneDoe:
Quote liz-fan: On some leval you either see your self or someone you truly love as that person. If yoou didn't you would not connect to that character. This is an emotional connection. I know many will say "No" it's just a show but if that is true then why do they feel the need to discuss it at all?



To me it IS just a show......a show that I care very much about, but still just a show. I may like certain characters for the qualities they possess, but I don't have an emotional connection to them. To me it's all about a world that I do not live in and it's an escape from my everyday life. Everything has become so reality driven and the simple entertainment from a drama or comedy has been lost IMO. I like to discuss General Hospital simply because it's a part of my daily life, I've watched it for over 25 years and it's simply fun to discuss. I DO think that there are posters here who are emotionally involved and it shows dramatically in their posting style, but I can promise you that is not the case for us all. It's a show where couples come and go, people get away with things they'd never get away with IRL, and characters are constantly changing and evolving. Nothing is real and that's what I love most about it. It's very simple.


Again Jane we will have to disagree. I stated my point of view and said to read the threads and make her own views. These are mine and I doubt seriously that anyone could convince me otherwise.


I can't convince you that I'm not emotionally involved with the characters of GH?? Interesting.

Having a view about the way YOU feel about the show and it's characters is fine, but your post insinuates that everyone must have an emotional connection to the characters or they wouldn't be discussing the show. THAT is NOT true for ME and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone, so there can't possibly be anything to disagree on. I only post because it's entertaining for me to discuss a show that I find entertaining and the ONLY show that's a part of MY daily life. It's as simple as that. If I didn't like the show, believe me I'd move on and never give it another thought. It's JUST a show.

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#15   2009/10/26 12:37PM
Re: Why is it always the women???
AlyasMom
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Quote Marocgirl: Ok 1st off, This is maybe my second time posting so I'm really new to this. But I've been reading alot off the threads in the past 11/2 so that's what I'm going on ok. Bear with me. Second I've been watching Gh since I was abt 8 yrs old so abt 18 yrs now on and off, more on then off. I don't really have any favorites, I love the show as a whole so keep that in mind please.

So my questions is why is it always the women of GH that get called out. I rarely ever read anything abt the Men of GH and if I do it's not very often. People are wondering why Claudia's being thrown to the wolves and Sam's getting away with what she did? Well I want to know why Johnny who was also in on Claudia crazy scheme is not getting any heat. He gets to move on and have a love life with Olivia and work with Sonny who's son was shot and have a friendship with Jason who is trying to get Claudia. I could be mistaken but I'm pretty sure Johnny knew what Claudia was up to? So if Jason is going after claudia because of the shooting then why isn't Johnny going down with her. She may have made the call but HE KNEW AND AGREED TO IT. I don't care if it was an ACCIDENT, it resulted in a child being shot in the head. But that is rarely discussed. I like johnny so it's nothing against him I'm just asking.

Another thing, people are saying Jason is ooc. Maybe because of how he's being written,I think it's just lazy writing by the writers, because they want claudia out so they are having jason do it. Bad writing. I hear Jason is a hypocrite because he's with Sam again. But I never hear that he's an A** for what he did to both Liz and Sam. He had a child with another women after years of being with Sam,while I know there were alot of people out there that were so happy abt it, I was disgusted. I watched my sister for years struggle to have a baby and it was heartbreaking to watch. Every child was a constant reminder of what she didn't have ,i could imagine what she would have done if her husband had a child with someone else. It was his responsibility to tell Sam abt Jake,Not Liz's, but the only thing I heard Liz is wrong because she told Jason not to say anything. She wasn't the one in the 2 1/2year relationship with Sam. She's not the one who said "I've never loved anyone like I've loved you" to Sam. She's not the one who kept it a secret. It's Jason's FAULT. If he had told Sam maybe the it would have been a different out come. Who knows?

When Sonny kissed Olivia, again it was Olivia's a Ho. Ummm I don't remember her raping him but hey I have missed a few show so maybe I missed that episode.I if did please fill me in.

Anyways Sorry abt the long post but I really would like to hear what you all have to say. Again I have no favorites. I prefer some storyline over others but I usually watch for the whole show. This not a jasam Liason war zone it's a Make the men pay too war,just making that clear.


Honey, Believe me when I say its not GH that stones the women to death, but all the soaps! Seriously!
The men are the heart throbs and the women are just their accessories. Some are cheap, old, to flashy, to trashy, out with the old in with the new, etc etc ect!

Sonny gets bashed alot, he deserves it! Jason always gets painted as the silent hero so, while he is doing dirt, he kindness and heroism over shadows the dirt!
As for every one else....
I thought it was the Sonny and Jason show

Jax; I never cared about, couldnt stand him and Brenda together, only when it ate at Sonny

Patrick: Boring

Coleman: Funny, not enough AIR time

Johhny: Is the future, time for the Godfather and his enforcer to retire because can definately set it off!!!

Dante: As equally hot as Johnny, I would love to see his character evolve

Luke: Still a dead beat, they need to write some new matarial for him, he is such a talent

Nikolas: He is acting like a slim ball right now, I am not appreciating this nasty, hot mess going on with him and Liz
soo...... that covers most of the men on the show

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