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Maxie vs. Liz edition

Started by dillion2me at 2007/02/03 08:44PM
Latest post: 2007/02/15 11:39AM, Views: 597, Replies: 63
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#1   2007/02/03 08:44PM
Maxie vs. Liz edition
dillion2me
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I think on a personal rate that Maxie was wrong for what she did, yet on the other hand so is Liz. Shes keeping a deep dark secret about her pregancy. I think that Liz is annoying me right now, and Maxie she will get over her emotions and get back on track. Me personaly, believe that Lz is more of the problem then Maxie. How do you feel about it?

#2   2007/02/03 08:48PM
Re: Maxie vs. Liz edition
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Quote dillion2me: I think on a personal rate that Maxie was wrong for what she did, yet on the other hand so is Liz. Shes keeping a deep dark secret about her pregancy. I think that Liz is annoying me right now, and Maxie she will get over her emotions and get back on track. Me personaly, believe that Lz is more of the problem then Maxie. How do you feel about it?


I agree with you.Liz is making all sorts of problems,My opinion is she had her chances with Jason before him and Sam got back together,she did not want him then but now that Jason is happy with Sam,Liz is all the sudden in love with him,please Liz is by far worse then Maxie,Liz certainly did not like what Maxie did to her but it is ok for Liz to do the samething and not be wrong.That is just hating.If Jason were not with Sam it would be another whole story,he proposed to Liz before him and Sam got back together and she rejected saying they both loved other people.When in reality she does not love Lucky obviously if she did she would give him another chance,she refused Jason casue she new he loved Sam and no matter what she could never win his heart! The end! Liz will NEVER win Jason's heart! Never ever ever! Oh and if i recall corectly wasn't it Liz that told Jason them sleeping together was only that night and never again!

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#3   2007/02/03 11:20PM
Re: Maxie vs. Liz edition
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Quote dillion2me: I think on a personal rate that Maxie was wrong for what she did, yet on the other hand so is Liz. Shes keeping a deep dark secret about her pregancy. I think that Liz is annoying me right now, and Maxie she will get over her emotions and get back on track. Me personaly, believe that Lz is more of the problem then Maxie. How do you feel about it?



I'm sorry but I completely disagree.

Maxie lied to manipulate Lucky. She lied to keep him bound in relationship with her when he didn't want anything to do with her. She said she was pregnant when she wasn't, even going so far as to fall down a flight of stairs and fake a miscarriage and played the grieving mother to be. Her reasons were purely and totally self serving.

Liz, on the other hand, is pregnant and has withheld the truth about her baby's paternity as she is trying to protect Lucky and keep him from relapsing in his addiction to pills. And since we saw Lucky wrestling with temptation when he busted someone with Hydrocodone, perhaps you'll concede that Liz's concerns are justified.

One is meant to manipulate, one is meant to protect. One comes from a devious spirit; one comes from love and concern. Sure, both lies are lies, but the reasons for the lies make these two women polar opposites. Since Liz's motives are pure is she justified in lying? Nope. But I can feel sympathy for her, and I can imagine making such a choice.

Like Liz, I think I have at times felt responsible for other peoples' well being, even when that feeling was erroneous. Haven't we all struggled with such choices? We make sacrifices, and we fail to act on things we want to do because someone, somewhere will get hurt and we feel responsible for their pain. Jason is the father of Liz's baby, and she loves him. But if she tells the truth, she hurts Jason and Sam, she hurts Lucky, she hurts Lulu and Gram and all the people rooting for her and Lucky to reunite, she jeopardizes Lucky's recovery as he keeps saying "I am motivated to stay clean because of the baby…" All sorts of people are invested in this, so Liz feels responsible to EVERYONE. She decides she will be the one to bear the pain and let everyone else be happy.

They are completely different lies. And Liz's lie is WAY more justified then Maxie's selfish lie.

JMO!!!
Maxie, OTOH lied to get what she wanted and didn't care who she hurt. She's a selfish lying skank

#4   2007/02/04 05:23AM
Re: Maxie vs. Liz edition
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ITA. Maxies lie was horrible but atleast they dint drag out the s\l. The Liz s\l not telling the truth to Jason & Lucky is so over done & to top it off after she finally tells the truth we'll find out the test was changed. Just like a soap.

#5   2007/02/04 08:40AM
Re: Maxie vs. Liz edition
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Liz is still jerking Jason and Lucky around, and pulling their strings. Which is just as wrong in my opinion.

As a nurse, Liz is trained to show compassion, but she doesn't do that. All she does is talk down to every one, and asks every one to cover for her.

#6   2007/02/04 11:13AM
Re: Maxie vs. Liz edition
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Quote toorobbin: Liz is still jerking Jason and Lucky around, and pulling their strings. Which is just as wrong in my opinion.

As a nurse, Liz is trained to show compassion, but she doesn't do that. All she does is talk down to every one, and asks every one to cover for her.




I agree that Liz should tell Jason and Lucky the truth. But, I don't think that she's jerking Jason and Lucky around. In my opinion she's trying to do what she thinks is best. She doesn't want to be the one responsible for breaking up Jason and Sam, she doesn't want to be the one responsible for putting Lucky back on drugs, and she doesn't want to be the one responsible for causing so much pain to her friends and family who want her with Lucky. She's doing what she thinks is best right now. Of course, she should tell the truth, but she doesn't want to be the one responsible for so much hurt.

And I'm sorry but, I don't think I've ever recalled Liz talking down to someone or asking someone to cover for her. When did this happen?

#7   2007/02/04 04:22PM
Re: Maxie vs. Liz edition
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your right, Maxie lied, to get what she wanted. Think of what kind of person she was before. Maxie was happy, and when she lost Jesse. she continued to hurt herself and others to,recarnate Jesse with other cops, starting with Lucky. Lucky was hurting and already taking pills before she came along. she shouldnt have given him none, but in her mind she needed him, and that was the only way, and she did whatever it took to keep him, including lying about pregancy. But Liz yes Lucky cheated on her, yet it was wrong of her to sleep with Jason still married. i believe she doesnt want to tell Lucky because shes afraid of him relapsing. I'm also think she wont tell the truth because she doesnt want to face what she did, and now having feelings for Jason.

and Maxie did not put a gun to his head to make him take those pills. im not saying its easy to turn away from pills, he was under the influense of pills to where he cheated, to where he was doing only for himself,

Maxie had lost the love of her life, and stop seeing clearly, to where she only did for herself.she really does want to feel less.

and Liz, she is stuck on him going back on drugs, but she has nothing holding her back. she just is afraid to face the truth.
Everyone has came out with the thruth, either by being caught or not, except Liz. Yes what Maxie and Lucky did had hurt eachother and Liz, yet what is is lying about will hurt much more people, and that clearly is worser then Maxies faults.

#8   2007/02/04 04:54PM
Re: Maxie vs. Liz edition
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Quote dillion2me: your right, Maxie lied, to get what she wanted. Think of what kind of person she was before. Maxie was happy, and when she lost Jesse. she continued to hurt herself and others to,recarnate Jesse with other cops, starting with Lucky. Lucky was hurting and already taking pills before she came along. she shouldnt have given him none, but in her mind she needed him, and that was the only way, and she did whatever it took to keep him, including lying about pregancy. But Liz yes Lucky cheated on her, yet it was wrong of her to sleep with Jason still married. i believe she doesnt want to tell Lucky because shes afraid of him relapsing. I'm also think she wont tell the truth because she doesnt want to face what she did, and now having feelings for Jason.

and Maxie did not put a gun to his head to make him take those pills. im not saying its easy to turn away from pills, he was under the influense of pills to where he cheated, to where he was doing only for himself,

Maxie had lost the love of her life, and stop seeing clearly, to where she only did for herself.she really does want to feel less.

and Liz, she is stuck on him going back on drugs, but she has nothing holding her back. she just is afraid to face the truth.
Everyone has came out with the thruth, either by being caught or not, except Liz. Yes what Maxie and Lucky did had hurt eachother and Liz, yet what is is lying about will hurt much more people, and that clearly is worser then Maxies faults.



So what you're saying is that Maxie's lie was justified because she lost Jessie and was hurting? Yes, Lucky was on pills before Maxie came along. But, Maxie further engrossed Lucky into his pill addiction, and supplied him with drugs to keep up his habit. She knew what she was doing, she knew that she was destroying the character of Lucky, but she didn't care. All she wanted was Lucky, and she didn't care who she hurt to get him, even if it was Lucky she was hurting....it didn't matter because she was with Lucky. Her lie about being pregnant only benifited her by having Lucky around her more...and having Lucky feel more sympathetic towards her. Her lie only benifited her selfish needs.

Liz truly belived when she saw Maxie and Lucky together that her marriage to Lucky was over. She was so hurt and devastated that Lucky could do something like this to her. She had every intention of ending her marriage to Lucky. She was so hurt, and Jason was hurt too. So, they found comfort in eachother. They've BOTH said that they don't regret that night. And I don't think that they should. Each thought that their relationship with their others was over. It's not like Liz intentionally got pregnant, much less with Jason's baby. Even when she went over to Jason's she didn't have any intention of sleeping with him. Jason's a really good friend to her, and she knew that she could go to him and he could help her with whatever she needed help with. Jason and Liz always have a way of finding their way back to eachother when things go wrong.

Yes, Liz's lie will cause more pain for people. But, that does not make it worse then Maxie's. Unlike Maxie who doesn't care if she hurts anyone. Liz really doesn't want to hurt anyone. She doesn't want to cause anyone pain, and wants to protect people from getting hurt. It's not Liz's fault that she's pregnant with Jason's baby. She didn't intentionally try to get pregnant she thought they were safe at first, and she didn't intentionally go over to Jason's to sleep with him. She took comfort in Jason because she was hurting from what MAXIE and Lucky did to her. Her lie in my opinion isn't worse because she's trying to protect people from getting hurt. Maxie doesn't care if she hurts someone to get what she wants.

#9   2007/02/05 08:31AM
Re: Maxie vs. Liz edition
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your, right Maxie was wrong like i said before, but maxie wanted Lucky for herself, through emotional problems. if you know when your emotionaly damaged you dont see wrong. i dont think she was intentionally trying to hurt Lucky nor Liz, its only that she was trying to hurt herself. Nothing personal to Liz, until everything came out in the open.

Liz is wrong for many things, yea it is not her fault that Lucky did what he did. think about this first she makes up in her mind shes done with Lucky, then sleeps with Jasn, then she wants to still work things out after, sleeping with Jason. im soory when you really make up your mind about something, you stick with it. i believe she just wanted someone to comfort her, then go back and work things out.
Maxie was very wrong, but emotionally damaged, to where she couldnt think straight. Lucky was at his own fought. And he was damaged through taking drugs, but he new what he was doing and he didnt have to sleep with her, and if Maxie never lost her love she would have not did what she did.

But Liz on the other hand, she could have ended her lies by telling the truth, i think she is just trying to use the" i dont want to let lucky get back on drugs" accuse a little to much.she has her own personal reasons for not saying the truth, and shes shows it.same way maxie had her personal and emotional way for her self. and lucky for his. nt right but they did it.
and Liz she is not saying the truth for her own peronal reasons which will hurt many.

#10   2007/02/05 08:33AM
Re: Maxie vs. Liz edition
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Quote dillion2me: your, right Maxie was wrong like i said before, but maxie wanted Lucky for herself, through emotional problems. if you know when your emotionaly damaged you dont see wrong. i dont think she was intentionally trying to hurt Lucky nor Liz, its only that she was trying to hurt herself. Nothing personal to Liz, until everything came out in the open.

Liz is wrong for many things, yea it is not her fault that Lucky did what he did. think about this first she makes up in her mind shes done with Lucky, then sleeps with Jasn, then she wants to still work things out after, sleeping with Jason. im soory when you really make up your mind about something, you stick with it. i believe she just wanted someone to comfort her, then go back and work things out.
Maxie was very wrong, but emotionally damaged, to where she couldnt think straight. Lucky was at his own fought. And he was damaged through taking drugs, but he new what he was doing and he didnt have to sleep with her, and if Maxie never lost her love she would have not did what she did.

But Liz on the other hand, she could have ended her lies by telling the truth, i think she is just trying to use the" i dont want to let lucky get back on drugs" accuse a little to much.she has her own personal reasons for not saying the truth, and shes shows it.same way maxie had her personal and emotional way for her self. and lucky for his. nt right but they did it.
and Liz she is not saying the truth for her own peronal reasons which will hurt many.


Good point! I think both are evil!

#11   2007/02/05 08:53AM
Re: Maxie vs. Liz edition
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Maxie has always been conniving and Maxie is young, so when she was lying it was like oh,well. Saint Liz is another thing;that character is going in a different direction and her fans better hold on. If Saint Lizzie lied about one thing she would lie about anything.

#12   2007/02/05 09:00AM
Re: Maxie vs. Liz edition
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Quote Starrgirlfish:
Quote toorobbin: Liz is still jerking Jason and Lucky around, and pulling their strings. Which is just as wrong in my opinion.

As a nurse, Liz is trained to show compassion, but she doesn't do that. All she does is talk down to every one, and asks every one to cover for her.




I agree that Liz should tell Jason and Lucky the truth. But, I don't think that she's jerking Jason and Lucky around. In my opinion she's trying to do what she thinks is best. She doesn't want to be the one responsible for breaking up Jason and Sam, she doesn't want to be the one responsible for putting Lucky back on drugs, and she doesn't want to be the one responsible for causing so much pain to her friends and family who want her with Lucky. She's doing what she thinks is best right now. Of course, she should tell the truth, but she doesn't want to be the one responsible for so much hurt.

And I'm sorry but, I don't think I've ever recalled Liz talking down to someone or asking someone to cover for her. When did this happen?


Well you haven't been watching lately. Liz has no reason to be hating on Sam. Jason is living with Sam and he has told her that he loves Sam. She either has that flat nose turned up at Carly,Maxie,Lucky or Sam. Liz character is changing and its time, because as a Saint she hasn't the acting skills,and she do have the face for a villian. Some of the top actresses are villians.

#13   2007/02/06 08:54PM
Re: Maxie vs. Liz edition
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I PERSONALLY WATCH THE SHOW, WHOEVER BELIEVES THAT lIZ IS AFTER SAM, I DONT BELIEVE THATS TRUE, INTENSIONALLY. IN A WAY I COULD SEE THAT CAUSE SHE WANTS JASON, AND WANTING JASON IS IN SOME KIND OF WAY, PUCHING SAM OUT THE WAY. I MEAN THATS THE ONLY WAY SHE COULD GET JASON,IS PUCHING SAM OUT THE WAY, TO GET JASON. IM SURE SHES NOT FEELING LIKE DOING THAT ON PURPOSE TO HURT SAM THOUGH.

#14   2007/02/06 09:07PM
Re: Maxie vs. Liz edition
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Quote dillion2me: your, right Maxie was wrong like i said before, but maxie wanted Lucky for herself, through emotional problems. if you know when your emotionaly damaged you dont see wrong. i dont think she was intentionally trying to hurt Lucky nor Liz, its only that she was trying to hurt herself. Nothing personal to Liz, until everything came out in the open.

Liz is wrong for many things, yea it is not her fault that Lucky did what he did. think about this first she makes up in her mind shes done with Lucky, then sleeps with Jasn, then she wants to still work things out after, sleeping with Jason. im soory when you really make up your mind about something, you stick with it. i believe she just wanted someone to comfort her, then go back and work things out.
Maxie was very wrong, but emotionally damaged, to where she couldnt think straight. Lucky was at his own fought. And he was damaged through taking drugs, but he new what he was doing and he didnt have to sleep with her, and if Maxie never lost her love she would have not did what she did.

But Liz on the other hand, she could have ended her lies by telling the truth, i think she is just trying to use the" i dont want to let lucky get back on drugs" accuse a little to much.she has her own personal reasons for not saying the truth, and shes shows it.same way maxie had her personal and emotional way for her self. and lucky for his. nt right but they did it.
and Liz she is not saying the truth for her own peronal reasons which will hurt many.


Liz really thought her marriage was over. She SAW Maxie with Lucky. She walked in on them. I mean what was she supposed to think? Plus, she did stick through with her marriage being over. She still hasn't made any commitments to Lucky either.

Even if Maxie was emotionally damaged she knew what she was doing. She KNEW she was giving Lucky drugs and that he was only with her because she supplied him with the drugs. She KNEW that was her only purpose in Lucky's life. She KNEW all of this...but, yet tried desperately to hold onto something that wasn't even there in the first place. She lied about actually BEING pregnant...and went as far to fake a miscarriage and put a PILLOW to make it look like she was pregnant. She manipulated, lied STRAIGHT to the face, and was COMPLETELY and UTTERLY selfish beyond means.

I know I've already said this point...but, I'll say it again. This is what makes these two woman complete polar opposites. One is lying (but, actually not directly to a person's face) to PROTECT. And one lied for selfish gain. AND actually lied to the FACE. Purely selfish reasons.

That's my opinion

#15   2007/02/07 07:33PM
Re: Maxie vs. Liz edition
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yes, when Maxie lied, she did it to self gain, then on the other hand, alot of people in life try to do things for once, for them selves to gain more for yourselves. its just that Maxie was emotionally still tramatized, and she went a whole nother level getting what she wanted. in my opinion, Liz is a good person, who is just simply making wrong choices, and thats partly because she doesnt want to face what she got into, and what she should be dealing with. when Maxie did what she did, she hurt, Liz by sleeping with Lucky and giving him pills. Aint in the first thing you learn in rehap, you are responsible for yourself, and taking drugs at the end was your choice. Maxie helped give Lucky pills, but it was Lucky's choice and he took it.
think about this, if Maxie was in her right mind, and was not emotionally tramatized, she would have never given Lucky those pills. come on think about how she was, before Jesse died.

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