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Started by Chimshree03 at 2009/10/31 08:59AM
Latest post: 2009/11/04 04:12AM, Views: 1667, Replies: 59
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#31   2009/11/02 03:50PM
Re: Ejami or Safe??
briebrie
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Quote DOOL1965:
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Quote artemesiany: I think EJ is getting a raw deal from some of these posts. It truly AMAZES me that he is getting trashed all the time, when Sami is a liar, Nicole is a liar, Mia is a liar, Stephano is a liar, and he is the ONLY ONE telling the truth about his feelings, which, are getting trampled on by the above mentioned liars. I have come to realize that the show is ALOT like real life, not as far fetched at all, because lying is so common nowadays, and many feel sorry for the liars and make excuses for them in our victimhood society. So how could we expect in a fictional soap world for the characters to act with any sense of personal resposibility- if we did, then there would be now show. That said, I am starting to dislike the "new" Sami so much because she is just alot like Nicole, except with a sugar coating and more respectability among the characters in the show, that I wish EJ would find a better woman than her, not one who calls him a good father one minute, then trashes him the next. I just don't get how Sami's past and Nicole's past are so easily forgotten to make EJ conviently the villian- it makes no sense. If one character's history of lying, etc. can be forgotten in certain circumstances (Sami), then how come EJ's every last move, even when he hasn't been the one lying in this storyline, is treated as if he is the bad guy? I think I need to stop watching this show.


I agree with you. My own opinion is that EJ is the only one who's trying to do the right thing, by realizing he has no legal right to Sydney and has to give her up. He gets bashed for not doing the "DiMera" thing and using his power and influence to illegally keep Sydney. Instead, his pushing Sydney away is seen as "throwing" her away, when he's 1) identifying with Chad not being able to parent his child and 2) he's just trying to get the separation over with as quickly as possible. What good would it do for him to pretend he's her father? D*mned if he does, d*mned if he doesn't. Everyone else is lying and getting a free pass in this storyline. Even Mia is turning into a liar (even though she's being manipulated into doing so). Nicole has everyone on her evil side except EJ, and yet EJ is seen as the bad guy.


That is because Ej is a bad guy...Nicole lied to him because he lied to her about his love for her..Nicole did what Nicole does...anything to get her way...Ej knew that about her from the very beginning and even praised her for it...now, he is MR. NOBLE and has to do the right thing...whatever..he is thinking about revenge, plain and simple...he is not doing right by anyone. Do I think he should get to keep the baby..prob. not...If she were really Chad's...Chad has rights...do I think he should fight (FAIRLY) for his family...Yes I do! But instead, he is so hurt that again, another woman got one over on him, he would toss an innocent baby in the street. That to me, among other things, makes Ej's a bad guy.


Not saying he's Mr. Noble (caps not necessary) but he's not the bad guy here. He knows that he couldn't have Sydney at DiMansion without Nicole and Nicole to him is poison. Nicole is the one who wants to hold on to a child that isn't hers. Sorry, EJ can't fight fairly for a child that isn't his and on top of that, one that was acquired illegally (bought on the black market!) to begin with. A judge would laugh in both Nicole and EJ's faces. And then put them both in jail.


Gee, should we be bowing and calling him Master EJ? He has done one respectable thing since he has been on the show that was telling Marlena about John. On Sydney the jury is still out for me. He has an eternity to go before he can balance the scales. Now the last wonderful thing he is doing is becoming a drug lord, now that’s something to be proud of.

You said Nicole is poison to EJ, I would imagine that’s how Sami feels about EJ. Someone said that Sami hasn’t changed, she is a much better person now, even in the safe house she was her old self to everyone, but losing Grace made her a better person, at least now she is trying to help other people, not just herself. Now when EJ and Sami find out Sydney is their child, is EJ going to do the noble thing and share Sydney with Sami, or try to cut Sami out of her life, like he does with Johnny. My bet is on keeping Sydney all to himself.


"Gee, should we be bowing and calling him Master EJ?" That's not what I think at all nor what I said. The character is not meant to be noble or a saint.

#32   2009/11/02 04:06PM
Re: Ejami or Safe??
sharon n nic...
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always EJ and Sami.

#33   2009/11/02 04:16PM
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Big Ten
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Quote sharon n nick 4eva: always EJ and Sami.


High Five

#34   2009/11/02 04:51PM
Re: Ejami or Safe??
briebrie
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Quote LUMIFOREVERANDEVER:
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Quote LUMIFOREVERANDEVER:
Quote briebrie:
Quote artemesiany: I think EJ is getting a raw deal from some of these posts. It truly AMAZES me that he is getting trashed all the time, when Sami is a liar, Nicole is a liar, Mia is a liar, Stephano is a liar, and he is the ONLY ONE telling the truth about his feelings, which, are getting trampled on by the above mentioned liars. I have come to realize that the show is ALOT like real life, not as far fetched at all, because lying is so common nowadays, and many feel sorry for the liars and make excuses for them in our victimhood society. So how could we expect in a fictional soap world for the characters to act with any sense of personal resposibility- if we did, then there would be now show. That said, I am starting to dislike the "new" Sami so much because she is just alot like Nicole, except with a sugar coating and more respectability among the characters in the show, that I wish EJ would find a better woman than her, not one who calls him a good father one minute, then trashes him the next. I just don't get how Sami's past and Nicole's past are so easily forgotten to make EJ conviently the villian- it makes no sense. If one character's history of lying, etc. can be forgotten in certain circumstances (Sami), then how come EJ's every last move, even when he hasn't been the one lying in this storyline, is treated as if he is the bad guy? I think I need to stop watching this show.


I agree with you. My own opinion is that EJ is the only one who's trying to do the right thing, by realizing he has no legal right to Sydney and has to give her up. He gets bashed for not doing the "DiMera" thing and using his power and influence to illegally keep Sydney. Instead, his pushing Sydney away is seen as "throwing" her away, when he's 1) identifying with Chad not being able to parent his child and 2) he's just trying to get the separation over with as quickly as possible. What good would it do for him to pretend he's her father? D*mned if he does, d*mned if he doesn't. Everyone else is lying and getting a free pass in this storyline. Even Mia is turning into a liar (even though she's being manipulated into doing so). Nicole has everyone on her evil side except EJ, and yet EJ is seen as the bad guy.


That is because Ej is a bad guy...Nicole lied to him because he lied to her about his love for her..Nicole did what Nicole does...anything to get her way...Ej knew that about her from the very beginning and even praised her for it...now, he is MR. NOBLE and has to do the right thing...whatever..he is thinking about revenge, plain and simple...he is not doing right by anyone. Do I think he should get to keep the baby..prob. not...If she were really Chad's...Chad has rights...do I think he should fight (FAIRLY) for his family...Yes I do! But instead, he is so hurt that again, another woman got one over on him, he would toss an innocent baby in the street. That to me, among other things, makes Ej's a bad guy.


Not saying he's Mr. Noble (caps not necessary) but he's not the bad guy here. He knows that he couldn't have Sydney at DiMansion without Nicole and Nicole to him is poison. Nicole is the one who wants to hold on to a child that isn't hers. Sorry, EJ can't fight fairly for a child that isn't his and on top of that, one that was acquired illegally (bought on the black market!) to begin with. A judge would laugh in both Nicole and EJ's faces. And then put them both in jail.


Why couldn't Ej keep Sydney at the mansion w/o Nicole? He has thrown her out in the past and has made no secret that if Nicole leaves him that Sydney stays, so that doesn't make sense to me. How is Nicole his poison? Ej has done truly awful things since he has been in Salem, before he even knew Nicole and I am sure that when Nicole is out of the picture, he will continue to do awful things. I think Ej could fight in a court of law to keep Sydeny...he might not win...prob. wouldn't but he should want to fight to keep the daughter he has raised since birth. I think Magicsteacher post #32 is spot on!!


Poison is EJ's word that he used to describe Nicole, as in "Why did I ever believe a poisonous word that came out of your mouth." And I believe he told someone else that Nicole was "poison" (I will have to see if I can find that reference). At any rate, LUMIFOREVER and magic, thanks for sharing your perspective. I don't agree that EJ should have kept Sydney (without Nicole, even if that would be possible) and allowed Sydney to bond further with him knowing that they would be separated. No court of law would allow him to keep her. Well, maybe a DAYS court would, LOL. But I get why EJ is doing what he's doing. Just looking forward to moving on past this storyline! Have a good night.

#35   2009/11/03 05:20AM
Re: Ejami or Safe??
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I would much rather have Sami with Rafe because EJ is just been really mean lately. And Sami and Rafe are good for one another.

#36   2009/11/03 05:28AM
Re: Ejami or Safe??
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Quote briebrie:
Quote LUMIFOREVERANDEVER:
Quote briebrie:
Quote LUMIFOREVERANDEVER:
Quote briebrie:
Quote artemesiany: I think EJ is getting a raw deal from some of these posts. It truly AMAZES me that he is getting trashed all the time, when Sami is a liar, Nicole is a liar, Mia is a liar, Stephano is a liar, and he is the ONLY ONE telling the truth about his feelings, which, are getting trampled on by the above mentioned liars. I have come to realize that the show is ALOT like real life, not as far fetched at all, because lying is so common nowadays, and many feel sorry for the liars and make excuses for them in our victimhood society. So how could we expect in a fictional soap world for the characters to act with any sense of personal resposibility- if we did, then there would be now show. That said, I am starting to dislike the "new" Sami so much because she is just alot like Nicole, except with a sugar coating and more respectability among the characters in the show, that I wish EJ would find a better woman than her, not one who calls him a good father one minute, then trashes him the next. I just don't get how Sami's past and Nicole's past are so easily forgotten to make EJ conviently the villian- it makes no sense. If one character's history of lying, etc. can be forgotten in certain circumstances (Sami), then how come EJ's every last move, even when he hasn't been the one lying in this storyline, is treated as if he is the bad guy? I think I need to stop watching this show.


I agree with you. My own opinion is that EJ is the only one who's trying to do the right thing, by realizing he has no legal right to Sydney and has to give her up. He gets bashed for not doing the "DiMera" thing and using his power and influence to illegally keep Sydney. Instead, his pushing Sydney away is seen as "throwing" her away, when he's 1) identifying with Chad not being able to parent his child and 2) he's just trying to get the separation over with as quickly as possible. What good would it do for him to pretend he's her father? D*mned if he does, d*mned if he doesn't. Everyone else is lying and getting a free pass in this storyline. Even Mia is turning into a liar (even though she's being manipulated into doing so). Nicole has everyone on her evil side except EJ, and yet EJ is seen as the bad guy.


That is because Ej is a bad guy...Nicole lied to him because he lied to her about his love for her..Nicole did what Nicole does...anything to get her way...Ej knew that about her from the very beginning and even praised her for it...now, he is MR. NOBLE and has to do the right thing...whatever..he is thinking about revenge, plain and simple...he is not doing right by anyone. Do I think he should get to keep the baby..prob. not...If she were really Chad's...Chad has rights...do I think he should fight (FAIRLY) for his family...Yes I do! But instead, he is so hurt that again, another woman got one over on him, he would toss an innocent baby in the street. That to me, among other things, makes Ej's a bad guy.


Not saying he's Mr. Noble (caps not necessary) but he's not the bad guy here. He knows that he couldn't have Sydney at DiMansion without Nicole and Nicole to him is poison. Nicole is the one who wants to hold on to a child that isn't hers. Sorry, EJ can't fight fairly for a child that isn't his and on top of that, one that was acquired illegally (bought on the black market!) to begin with. A judge would laugh in both Nicole and EJ's faces. And then put them both in jail.


Why couldn't Ej keep Sydney at the mansion w/o Nicole? He has thrown her out in the past and has made no secret that if Nicole leaves him that Sydney stays, so that doesn't make sense to me. How is Nicole his poison? Ej has done truly awful things since he has been in Salem, before he even knew Nicole and I am sure that when Nicole is out of the picture, he will continue to do awful things. I think Ej could fight in a court of law to keep Sydeny...he might not win...prob. wouldn't but he should want to fight to keep the daughter he has raised since birth. I think Magicsteacher post #32 is spot on!!


Poison is EJ's word that he used to describe Nicole, as in "Why did I ever believe a poisonous word that came out of your mouth." And I believe he told someone else that Nicole was "poison" (I will have to see if I can find that reference). At any rate, LUMIFOREVER and magic, thanks for sharing your perspective. I don't agree that EJ should have kept Sydney (without Nicole, even if that would be possible) and allowed Sydney to bond further with him knowing that they would be separated. No court of law would allow him to keep her. Well, maybe a DAYS court would, LOL. But I get why EJ is doing what he's doing. Just looking forward to moving on past this storyline! Have a good night.


#37   2009/11/03 02:43PM
Re: Ejami or Safe??
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I support Ejami, they have kids together, and besides that there is fire and spice between them, Sami really loves EJ after all she said and done to EJ she loves him, and after all the things EJ has said and done to Sami he will always love her no matter what. Sami life with Rafe was boring there's no excitmentm with EJ it is.

#38   2009/11/03 02:49PM
Re: Ejami or Safe??
4eversafe
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Safe all the way-especially after watching the canadian episode today.

#39   2009/11/03 03:16PM
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bigtimesoapfan
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(Id rather it were Lumi in the end ) but Safe is do*able!! At least he loves her unconditionally and does not use lies and manipulations to get what he wants !! + He's HoT!!

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#40   2009/11/03 03:32PM
Re: Ejami or Safe??
RyminCutie62
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EJ and Sami. Always.

#41   2009/11/03 03:36PM
Re: Ejami or Safe??
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Quote Kayana1987: I support Ejami, they have kids together, and besides that there is fire and spice between them, Sami really loves EJ after all she said and done to EJ she loves him, and after all the things EJ has said and done to Sami he will always love her no matter what. Sami life with Rafe was boring there's no excitmentm with EJ it is.


Lumi has children together as well so why wouldn't it apply to them as well, They actually do love each each other, and when did Sammi say the L word to EJ? I can't think of one time.

#42   2009/11/03 03:38PM
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jeter2684
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i want ej and sami to be together

#43   2009/11/03 05:15PM
Re: Ejami or Safe??
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Quote bigtimesoapfan:
Quote Kayana1987: I support Ejami, they have kids together, and besides that there is fire and spice between them, Sami really loves EJ after all she said and done to EJ she loves him, and after all the things EJ has said and done to Sami he will always love her no matter what. Sami life with Rafe was boring there's no excitmentm with EJ it is.


Lumi has children together as well so why wouldn't it apply to them as well, They actually do love each each other, and when did Sammi say the L word to EJ? I can't think of one time.




You know why you can't think of a time that Sami told EJ she loved him? Because she NEVER did!!!

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#44   2009/11/03 05:54PM
Re: Ejami or Safe??
CODaysGirl
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Rafe might not outright lie to Sami, but everytime she turns around there'e something else he hasn't told her about his life - and now about her life. Rafe and Sami have no sparks that I can see. People complain that EJ was always manipulating Sami, but I only see Rafe controlling her. He keeps secrets from her all the time, but breaks up with her whenever she tries to find out about his past or doesn't tell him everything. That's not trust, and without trust there can be no love.
I have always loved Sami. Only one man has always seemed to accept her for the good girl and the bad girl in her and that has always been EJ, not Lucas, not Austin, not Brandon, and not Rafe......EJami all the way!!

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#45   2009/11/04 04:12AM
Re: Ejami or Safe??
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Quote CODaysGirl: Rafe might not outright lie to Sami, but everytime she turns around there'e something else he hasn't told her about his life - and now about her life. Rafe and Sami have no sparks that I can see. People complain that EJ was always manipulating Sami, but I only see Rafe controlling her. He keeps secrets from her all the time, but breaks up with her whenever she tries to find out about his past or doesn't tell him everything. That's not trust, and without trust there can be no love.
I have always loved Sami. Only one man has always seemed to accept her for the good girl and the bad girl in her and that has always been EJ, not Lucas, not Austin, not Brandon, and not Rafe......EJami all the way!!




The only thing Rafe hasn't told Sami about is the full story of Emily.
**** SPOILER*****

He is going to tell her the entire story about Sydney next week, and we all know now why he hasn't yet.

He doesn't have the proof he needs, besides he is afraid that she may be in danger b/c he knows that Stefano was now involved.
If I remember, the only time he broke up with her was over the Emily thing where Meredith wrote the letter and the whole thing was contrived by Meredith and Stefano to break them up.
Sami does trust Rafe and he trusts her. The man Sami does not trust is EJ. I think Lexie said it to EJ in the hospital. She told him, "Sami trusts Rafe, EJ, she doesn't trust you. Sami loves Rafe."
I believe that EJ is the one who has controlled Sami from his first day in Salem-- blackmailing her to marry him, holding a gun to her head to get him through a roadblock, lying to her about his VISA to get her to stay married to her, threatening to take Johnny away from her. That is not love-- it is about power and control to get what you want.

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