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shouldn't love be UNCONDITIONAL?
Started by swantje at 2009/10/07 01:14PMLatest post: 2009/10/09 08:17PM, Views: 365, Replies: 12
shouldn't love be UNCONDITIONAL?
swantje |
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GMAB!
Touched |
The love between a parent and a child is unconditional! Adults always find a way to booger up a relationship by setting limits! |
vicc |
I think both. |
Tria |
katie should have known Bill was not interested in her best interest when he sign the documents without even dicussing it with her family first. It was sneaky and vindictive . Never ever turn against your family . Sure Donna and Brooke have higher positions and even more sucessful partners . But they didnt turn on their family to get ahead. |
shademorgis |
Brooke wins the prize for turning on family, her own daughter. Why is a bigger deal being made about Katie turning on her dimwit sisters and their dimwit husbands, than when Brooke stole her daughters husband. It just proves my theory that the writers think Brooke is Miss perfect, who can do no wrong, but sure can judge others. Same thing Stephanie and Taylor are constantly accused of. |
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vlinder |
I think you must be there for you family but why must it goes always coming from others. when we see some episodes ridge and eric and brooke diden't always care about the family so now when it is in there intrest the family question is o so holy. what did they with thorne and felicia? when ridge and brooke want to take over the compagnie did they think about thorne and felicia.and eric did he think about thorne. no ridge and brooke are holy and the other childeren that have more wright because they are also his childeren are they could and ask there opinion no it is ridge,brooke,donna and eric so they must not begin about how holy is the family because when it is in there best interest they don't look to the family. and when they lose everything (what i hope) we will see what will happen when that be happen ridge said he does not work for the compagnie anymore, I would like to see what happens are brooke and donna and eric also going away or are they staying. see how it goes but I think brooke is staying because she wants to be number 1. |
bbgirl |
Quote vicc: I think both. They have a lot of reason NOT to trust Bill Spencer, Jr. And-Why shouldn't they want to keep their positions? However Brooke said today--that Eric and Ridge have spent their lives making FC--it should stay in the family-- not be taken over by a Spencer. Bill Spencer, Sr. was a snake. Dollar Bill may be much like his father--he seems pretty ruthless. It is really about the family business being taken from the family.This is where you bring Stephanie up... She is really totally different circumstances. Stephanie failed at her marriage and caused chaos in the Business. However Stephanie is still at the core of FC troubles. Its not so much about keeping their positions as basically saying to their sister, "Do as I say, not as I do" and holding themselves up in a better light. Brooke didn't have any experience when she became CEO; not really. And when Eric was ill, he had no problem putting his trophy wife in charge of the company and Donna has absolutely NO experience...other than bedding the CEO. The fact that all of them are harping on experience is hypocritical. And we won't even get into the hypocracy of Ricky boy having more experience than Thorne to be President of that company. Now for Stephanie: First of all, it was Stephanie and Eric who spent their lives building FC. Yes, Ridge has toiled and spent his adult life helping to "maintain" that success, (as well as Thorne and to a certain extent Felicia) but he...and all the children...reaped the rewards of their parents hard work of building that Company into a powerhouse. The only "family" Brooke considers is her own. She said it herself...the Company was a "Logan Company run by Logan Women". Outside of Eric and Ridge, herself, Donna, Rick and Marcus...she could give a rats behind about any of the "other" Forresters in the family. I understand they essentially mean not an outsider...Bill or anyone else...but they are certainly hypocritical in who they consider "family". Please explain to me how it was Stephanie who failed at her marriage? I am tired of the PTB constantly using that male chauvanistic attitude that if a man cheats on his wife it somehow is her fault. SHE isnt understanding, SHE isn't supportive, SHE is cold, distant, controlling...blah blah blah. At every turn, Stephanie is made out to be the bad guy. Fine, use the argument that she trapped him into marriage all those years ago. There wouldn't even BE a FC without her family money. Maybe Eric went after her because Beth certainly didnt come from money and wasn't about to be able to provide any sort of capital for his lofty aspirations; think of that?? You could use the argument he saw a cash cow back then and used her for her money. And what did she get in return? A man who used her for his success, cheated on her over and over again, dumped her for a couple of blonde hotties who he then gave more credence and respect to in the very Company she helped create. Outside of the son who turned out not to be his, he turns his back essentially on ALL the children he had with Stephanie, and places more importance on his children with the bimbos at every turn. And then he booted her out the door, using the excuse that she causes too much divisiveness. Excuse me, the woman has always had better business savvy than he has and quite frankly, outside of the "scandal" of it all, she is not the reason they can't make any money. The Company is not a class couture house anymore, and it headed down that runway when Brooke's bedroom started. Sure it made money, but it wreaked of trashiness and not haut couture..plain and simple. Stephanie is not at the core of their problems; they all are. |
Lady53 |
Quote bbgirl: Quote vicc: I think both. They have a lot of reason NOT to trust Bill Spencer, Jr. And-Why shouldn't they want to keep their positions? However Brooke said today--that Eric and Ridge have spent their lives making FC--it should stay in the family-- not be taken over by a Spencer. Bill Spencer, Sr. was a snake. Dollar Bill may be much like his father--he seems pretty ruthless. It is really about the family business being taken from the family.This is where you bring Stephanie up... She is really totally different circumstances. Stephanie failed at her marriage and caused chaos in the Business. However Stephanie is still at the core of FC troubles. Its not so much about keeping their positions as basically saying to their sister, "Do as I say, not as I do" and holding themselves up in a better light. Brooke didn't have any experience when she became CEO; not really. And when Eric was ill, he had no problem putting his trophy wife in charge of the company and Donna has absolutely NO experience...other than bedding the CEO. The fact that all of them are harping on experience is hypocritical. And we won't even get into the hypocracy of Ricky boy having more experience than Thorne to be President of that company. Now for Stephanie: First of all, it was Stephanie and Eric who spent their lives building FC. Yes, Ridge has toiled and spent his adult life helping to "maintain" that success, (as well as Thorne and to a certain extent Felicia) but he...and all the children...reaped the rewards of their parents hard work of building that Company into a powerhouse. The only "family" Brooke considers is her own. She said it herself...the Company was a "Logan Company run by Logan Women". Outside of Eric and Ridge, herself, Donna, Rick and Marcus...she could give a rats behind about any of the "other" Forresters in the family. I understand they essentially mean not an outsider...Bill or anyone else...but they are certainly hypocritical in who they consider "family". Please explain to me how it was Stephanie who failed at her marriage? I am tired of the PTB constantly using that male chauvanistic attitude that if a man cheats on his wife it somehow is her fault. SHE isnt understanding, SHE isn't supportive, SHE is cold, distant, controlling...blah blah blah. At every turn, Stephanie is made out to be the bad guy. Fine, use the argument that she trapped him into marriage all those years ago. There wouldn't even BE a FC without her family money. Maybe Eric went after her because Beth certainly didnt come from money and wasn't about to be able to provide any sort of capital for his lofty aspirations; think of that?? You could use the argument he saw a cash cow back then and used her for her money. And what did she get in return? A man who used her for his success, cheated on her over and over again, dumped her for a couple of blonde hotties who he then gave more credence and respect to in the very Company she helped create. Outside of the son who turned out not to be his, he turns his back essentially on ALL the children he had with Stephanie, and places more importance on his children with the bimbos at every turn. And then he booted her out the door, using the excuse that she causes too much divisiveness. Excuse me, the woman has always had better business savvy than he has and quite frankly, outside of the "scandal" of it all, she is not the reason they can't make any money. The Company is not a class couture house anymore, and it headed down that runway when Brooke's bedroom started. Sure it made money, but it wreaked of trashiness and not haut couture..plain and simple. Stephanie is not at the core of their problems; they all are. ICAM ~~ Great post, you said it all. |
Re: shouldn't love be UNCONDITIONAL?
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vicc |
You have your opinions and I am sticking with mine. |
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shademorgis |
Hey bbgirl, great post! I totally agree with everything you said. Steph may have made mistakes, but so did Eric. It takes two to tango. Erics answer was always doing what made him feel good. That man is a self-centered jerk for giving Stephanies part of the company to the Logan twits. Evem if Stephanie gave/sold it back to him, he is still despicable for using Steph, throwing her out, and giving everything to the needy moocher bimbos. |
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bbgirl |
Quote vicc: You have your opinions and I am sticking with mine. [b]You cannot say there would be no FC without Stephanie's money. I don't think Eric had notions about Stephanie's money when he married her--that hasn't been established in the SL either. We do know that Eric was in love with Beth and married Stephanie because she told him that she was pregnant with his child. The SL alludes to Stephanie using her womanly wiles to accomplish this. Why do you excuse Stephanie so easily? She failed to be a good wife. It needs to be noted that she cheated as well. Eric had given up on being happy with Stephanie for some time before he got involved with Brooke, etc. Eric tried--Stephanie continued to be over-bearing. I don't blame him for wanting to be happy--and get away from being bound to her misery.No need to go into all the blah blah blah-- but I will add-- Since Bill Spencer, Sr. instructed Junior to bring down Eric in the name of avenging Stephanie...she remains at the core of FC troubles. On that note--I wonder if Bill, Jr. has to accomplish what his father told him to do--in order to keep his half of his father's wealth. I need to watch that clip again...seems like Senior Snake may have alluded to that in his instruction. You are right; it would be a boring world if we all have the same opinions  Having said that, though, yes, I can say there wouldn't be any Company without Stephanie. The S/L has established that Beth was from a middle class family and Stephanie came from money. The S/L established that even Stephanie was not aware that Ridge was not Eric's because she only slept with Mass once, and had a cycle after that. And yes, she slept with two men at the same time, but Eric was "engaged" to Beth when he was sleeping with Stephanie. You utterly let Eric off the hook for that and imply Stephanie was such a fem fatale that he simply couldn't resist her no matter "what" his circumstances. If anything, the S/L has established that Eric couldn't keep his pants on....EVER. Eric was well aware of Stephanie's wealth. Pregnant or not, he didn't have to marry her. Sure, that was the time when men did the "honorable thing" but Eric had aspirations...ones that Beth could not help with and Stephanie could....and he took the road that led to the pot of gold. The S/L established that they got the money from her father for the company and that he also set up a trust giving Stephanie sole ownership of the company because he did not trust Eric or his loyalty to Stephanie. It also established that Eric knew about the trust and ownership but never told her about it. She found the documents in his safe and talked to Katherine who was the trustee. So, yes, the S/L well establishes that Eric knew all about Stephanie's wealth and money and it also establishes that he was a sleezebag even back then.Why do YOU excuse Eric so easily? Stephanie may have cheated but apparently what's good for the goose isn't good for the gander in your opinion. You, like Eric, make excuses and blame Stephanie for the fact that he simply never was an honorable man. Was Stephanie "perfect"? One could argue that he was such a philandering, cold man who was hopping into bed with any young thing he could find, so Stephanie looked elsewhere for comfort and love. It can spin both ways. A marriage is about "2" people and it takes both of them to make or break it. Excusing Eric and blaming Stephanie still was and is the male excuse for why they are justified in sleeping with other women...period. Stephanie is only at the core of what Bill is doing because of what his father said, but that does not make her the sole cause of FC problems. Bill can't take over anything if weren't vunerable enough to be taken over and that rests with those running the Company. I say it again, Eric isn't and wasn't the major force behind the success of Forrester. It was a "joint" effort between he and Stephanie. He created the designs and she had the business savvy and acumen to turn them into something special and coveted in the fashion industry as a whole. Considering the lack of interest from the buyers and distributors.....which means very bad sales....it is quite obvious one isn't succeeding without the other. |
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vicc |
Now bbgirl you made false assumptions/accusation. |
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Ginger2 |
Quote vicc: Now bbgirl you made false assumptions/accusation. I never said that Stephanie is the sole cause of FC problems, and as a matter of -I don't think she is the sole cause. I still say she is at the core of the problem. I don't make excuses for Eric; I simply do not blame him for not wanting to be married to Stephanie. Stephanie's father left her some money--which was used to launch their fashion Business, but I don't think you can describe Stephanie as coming from wealth. I think she and Eric did not have an easy time of it in the beginning. They struggled, and Eric worked long hours. Eric worked so much that Stephanie found whoopie elsewhere--she cheated before Eric. Stephanie liked her jollies. Also--Stephanie's mother and Pam were not presented as wealthy. Eric had to help them with travel expenses to visit Stephanie, etc. Eric was being honorable when he married Stephanie. I haven't seen anything that insinuated or stated Eric already had the idea to start a fashion house and use Stephanie's money before he married her. Eric was upset when he found out that Ridge was not his son-- since he done the honorable thing to marry Stephanie. No--it cannot be said that FC would not exist without Stephanie's money. Eric could very well have found another avenue to get his start. Also--if Stephanie has always had such business savvy and acumen--if she was so involved in creating the success of the business--how is that she failed to know the details of her father's trust? Posters like to comment on how the writers changed the Soap--well Stephanie being such a vital business contact certainly seems to be a good example of this. Early episodes show Eric working hard and long hours while Srephanie flits in from shopping and looking for jollies. I certainly agree that a marriage is about two people. Stephanie seemed much more into controlling Ridge's life than she was interested in being a wife to Eric-- looked like there were two men in Stephanie's life (which made three--and Eric got the least attention). Eric definitely was NOT the cold one. Eric definitely WAS the one who looked elsewhere for comfort and love. I don't have a need to just blame Stephanie. I don't blame Eric for needing happiness and seeing that he could not be happy with Stephanie. Don't count FC out in the success department. It will be interesting to see the direction which the writers go. Great post! Thanks for setting the record straight! 
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