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Think you know Taylor now...
Started by BetchaDidntKnow at 2009/09/20 04:59PMLatest post: 2009/09/23 10:34AM, Views: 1793, Replies: 78
#11
2009/09/21 02:06AM
Re: Think you know Taylor now...
Adela Corinthos |
For those who said that Brooke doesn't have any friends on the show, she does and their names are Mr. and Mrs. Owen and Jacqueline Knight for you alls informafion. |
#12
2009/09/21 04:02AM
Re: Think you know Taylor now...
BetchaDidntKnow |
Quote michaelee: Quote BetchaDidntKnow: Quote michaelee: Quote BetchaDidntKnow: I think that your dislike is more of Steffers than Taylor. It is fine to dislike Taylor but remember Taylor was held accountable by Ridge for her transgression of adultry and that is fine. However when has he ever held Brooke accountable for let's say sleeping and bearing the child of her daughter's husband or sleeping yet again with her daughter's husband or let's say determining if she was fertile enough at her age to become pregnant to give said brother a baby and so on? I'm not going to bash the Brooke character because there aren't enough brooms in the world. My position is and was that if you bash Taylor because she is weak today or since her return, you never knew the character in the past as a strong and independent woman. Nothing against Brooke's strength. That sounds just odd saying it. Brooke wasn't written to be a strong character but a smoldering and captivating light. Nothing wrong with that except... the writers have turned her into Taylor, word for word from yesteryear which is unfortunate because I don't think Brooke fans want Brooke to be Taylor but the spitfire of her original character with a little bit of polish yet with a touch of her old vulnerability. Brooke's strength and perserverance is to be applauded. I just say not at the expense of the Taylor character as it has been for the past few years. Take a look at the character that you really dislike, Steffers and I'm sure that you will find that even Steffers has concrete and valid reasons for being disgusted and insensitive to Brooke. Brooke doesn't have one friend on the show. At least Taylor has that in Steffers and as a friend Steffers is standing up and supporting her friend. Can't hate her for that now can we. It is obvious to me that the truth will always be distorted by some mediums. (dead giveaways) Therefore, I am not going to rehash the whole triangle bit but I agree that Ridge did hold Taylor accountable for her adulterous affair BUT and a big BUT, he just could not get past the hypocrisy. As I stated before, Brooke is just Brooke, no pretense, so therefore no need to be held accountable because you know what, it will come from her mouth first. That is what smart women do - do not allow people to keep secrets for you. That lends itself to control and possible blackmail. However, if my memory serves me correct - who were the people, that on two recent occasions rooted for Ridge to be with Brooke aha! The people that matters most. His father, brother, sister, niece, son etc. Very interesting, Brooke has no one in her corner eh!  Hmmm, I think those are all family members. Remember Taylor and Steffers were friends before marriage. Even when Steffers didn't like Taylor she eventually became her friend aside from Ridge. I would never distort the truth about Brooke and Taylor. The characters were written to play against one another. Ridge actually chose Taylor. Brooke hated it and did everything possible to convenience him that he didn't love her. She finally gave up after the Pierce guy story line ended. Had they not killed Taylor again, Ridge and Taylor would probably be together but they did and they aren't. You always have to be held accountable no matter if you profess it with your mouth. For example: We bailed out wall street and they admitted to their wrongs but their behavior following the bail out was unrepentant and they went back to their old tricks. Should we bail them out again. Well that's what Brooke has been... a bail out over and over and over and over. You get my point? But there lies the problem there is not point to Brooke. I guess you take what you can get from the Brooke character. Well it is fantasy land as you eluded to before. Fun debating the show with ya. The point is, Stephanie's feud is with Brooke and she always, always uses Taylor to drive a wedge between Bridge when it suits her. To me, families make the best friends, they are usually more loyal, trustworthy and you can always depend on them for the truth. Have you ever seen Taylor's friend, Stephanie, have a serious discussion with her, in a caring way, about her life and the way it is headed. Where was she when Taylor was drinking herself to a stupor that she had to turn to baby Rick for solace? Whose side was she on when she quickly forgave Taylor for causing Ally to lose her mom and Thorne to lose his beloved wife to drunk driving? Another questionable act of friendship is the most recent drug abuse s/l. It was so disturbing because Stephanie knew that Ridge was taking Taylor's pills and she knew that Taylor gave the first pill to Ridge. Any normal mother would be livid - yes, I was very surprised at Stephanie's nonchalant attitude about the whole thing. Are you telling me that her obsession with Bridge is so intense and so much more important to her that she was willing to sacrifice the safety of her beloved son by overlooking the cocktail of drugs, alcohol and sex? That is appalling to say the least. In fact, I still have problems wrapping my head around that one. At the time, I wondered if TPTB had taken leave of their senses with that irresponsible s/l. Sure, you hold people accountable for their actions but using Wall Street as an illustration is a poor comparison. The point is - that is politics. For us to sit and believe that they were sorry or repentant for their seemingly mistakes is naive. That whole thing was orchestrated to work the way it is working now. The money was placed in the hands of the intended to make some stronger and others weaker. We will see that happen repeatedly in the future, so I will never parallel a situation like that to Brooke’s life. Hmm! Brooke has been a bail out over and over. When was that? As far as I know, she has paid for her sins ten times over, she has been judged and ridiculed by the righteous but you know what, she survived it all, reinvented herself and she is still Brooke, a real woman with real life issues and in spite of it all, she still has a loving heart, such patience and tolerant ways. Does a real person live in fantasyland? I do not think so – incidentally, I am a realist so I like dealing with real people because I consider it a total waste of my time to try to figure out what the phonies are up to, so I absolutely have no use for the self-righteous because I am not fooled into thinking that they exist. To me it is all a smokescreen. I am also drawn to strong women who know what they want and how to go after it. Brooke will always go after her man, she understands his playboy attitude and frankly, she is seasoned to it. Did she not lend Ridge to the shrink to go straighten himself out and then come back to her when he is healed from his hurt? I mean it was accomplished in an unorthodox way - a cocktail of drugs, alcohol, sex, a marriage proposal, a hurried wedding where the groom ended up marrying the horse of his destiny. Nevertheless, he did come back a more focused man. What can I say? The point is, Taylor unethically placed herself in the middle of a triangle she knew existed, so she should not have a problem dealing with the issues that arise from another careless and poor judgment that obviously lacked common sense. Taylor taking herself out of something that is much bigger than she is and quit blaming Brooke for her inadequacies can easily resolve all of this. You argument is with Steffers not Taylor. Judge all of the characters harshly and when you talk about ethics or unethically behavior it can be reserved for everyone on the show. The pills story line was poorly executed and again allowed characters to judge one character harshly while not placing the true blame on another character. In reality Ridge brought his own troubles on...if not pills it could easily have been written that he turned to alcohol. Horse beaten and dead. The point in my original comments was not to bash any specific character simply state that the writers have done a flip flop on the character who took the moral high road. To have the scripts from the 90's infused with a different character today is a travesty and wrong. Brooke does not shine in her current role. There is no fun or spontaniety about her. She's now the dull character. As said earlier they can now write a hundred different scenarios with Taylor because she is more unexplored than Brooke and they will eventually. If not, she's off the show to NYC. As a fan of this show the story lines are rushed and biased. I haven't watched the show daily in over 3 weeks because the current story line is weak, flawed and inappropriate. There was a different way to bring Justice into the story... just not enough thought processing. Bring on the fights, insults and spontaneity. Jackie and Owen can't carry it unless you have a desire to see them in the sack! |
#13
2009/09/21 10:38AM
Re: Think you know Taylor now...
Nichole43119 |
As a fan of this show the story lines are rushed and biased. I haven't watched the show daily in over 3 weeks because the current story line is weak, flawed and inappropriate. ! I do agree with this. I used to watch everyday. It didn't matter if Brooke won or not. (Though I did want Taylor to win) back in the day it was even. They showed how much Ridge loved Brooke AND Taylor. It was a true love triangle. In the recent months, they have made it seems like Taylor is just desperate. In the 20 yrs I have watched this show she has always been semi moraled ( well as moralled as you can get in the soaps). Now it is a one sided triangle that is lame. I have stopped watching. I watch once a week at the most. There are NO forresters who work at Forresters. Stephanie built that company with HER MONEY AND CONTACTS and none of her kids but Ridge work there. They have taken everything that made this show stellar... Capable Brooke vs Capable Taylor, Eric and Stephanie, Forrester Creations wth all the forresters working there. Its a shell of the show that it once was... it is sad... Where is Macy, Spectar Fashion?? LOL |
#14
2009/09/21 11:06AM
Re: Think you know Taylor now...
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BetchaDidntKnow |
Quote Nichole43119: As a fan of this show the story lines are rushed and biased. I haven't watched the show daily in over 3 weeks because the current story line is weak, flawed and inappropriate. ! I do agree with this. I used to watch everyday. It didn't matter if Brooke won or not. (Though I did want Taylor to win) back in the day it was even. They showed how much Ridge loved Brooke AND Taylor. It was a true love triangle. In the recent months, they have made it seems like Taylor is just desperate. In the 20 yrs I have watched this show she has always been semi moraled ( well as moralled as you can get in the soaps). Now it is a one sided triangle that is lame. I have stopped watching. I watch once a week at the most. There are NO forresters who work at Forresters. Stephanie built that company with HER MONEY AND CONTACTS and none of her kids but Ridge work there. They have taken everything that made this show stellar... Capable Brooke vs Capable Taylor, Eric and Stephanie, Forrester Creations wth all the forresters working there. Its a shell of the show that it once was... it is sad... Where is Macy, Spectar Fashion?? LOL Maybe C.J. will come and run the coffee shop again! The show is very sad and I don't think that the writers can redeem themselves for many of the other characters. |
#15
2009/09/21 02:18PM
Re: Think you know Taylor now...
vicc |
I agree that the SLs are not always well written, but most of what I have read in this thread is just a contrived |
#16
2009/09/21 02:57PM
Re: Think you know Taylor now...
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BetchaDidntKnow |
Quote vicc: I agree that the SLs are not always well written, but most of what I have read in this thread is just a contrived effort to make Taylor shine-- brought on by the fact that Brooke won in the triangle. All the spin on the SL and the characters-past and present- is pure personal opnion and feelings. It is amazing how some delve so deep into their explanations of this Soap. I bet the writers are amazed at how posters can convince themselves of what they see. It has been too obvious that the main focus of the triangle has been about the love connection that Brooke and Ridge can never let go. Yes, Ridge has loved and loves Taylor--but she has always been just another one of the factors/people in the SL drama regarding intrusions/conflicts with Bridge. Where the writers go with what happens now--only they know... It will be perfectfly fine if an interesting SL is created for Taylor--hope they can make Taylor shine--her fans seem to really need that... To say Brooke is dull--Taylor is more unexplored, etc.---too obvious what the real message is here--talk about dead horse beaten. We get the message that you want to try to build Taylor up--over Brooke. Brooke is far from dull; there is actually a lot of exciting SLs/new directions that could be developed with Brooke-- the character and the actress...great material with great potential. Nothing posted convinced otherwise. Sorry, but not everything revolves around the Brooke character. Yep, we who enjoy the Taylor character liked what we saw right off the bat.  That isn't to say that Brooke had less value but that someone on the show other than Brooke appealed to a different audience base. I liked Caroline but hey she's dead and I easily transferred my appreciation to Taylor. It wasn't a stretch.Love Brooke and build her up for all you're worth. That still doesn't distract from the fact that there was another character on the show that other people liked and enjoyed watching what was coming up next for her. Nothing wrong with that. It just wasn't Brooke that we were watching the show for. My original post did not BASH Brooke but rather took the view point of how the writers have changed the Taylor character so much over the past few years from a self confident and self assured doctor. Taylor always knew when to stay and when to leave. It never meant that she didn't love the guy but that she knew when to just leave it alone. If you like how they are writing Brooke today, more power to you. I think the character is in limbo with no one to fight against (but soon she'll be fighting with her sister, Katie). It still has nothing to do with Taylor, however, if you choose to look back on some of the writing from the past you will find that the writers have reused lines between Brooke and Ridge that were spoken by Taylor and Ridge in almost the identical settings. That's very unoriginal... The original post is about Taylor and if you choose to bash her...fine. For whatever happy feeling you derive from that. I haven't and will not compare the merit of the two characters because frankly both are needed in their own way. Yep, the writers are loving this because it means they keep their jobs for another year. Once the bantering stops about the characters the show will be canceled...just ask the writers of GL. |
#17
2009/09/21 03:18PM
Re: Think you know Taylor now...
PelphreyPosse |
Never liked Taylor from the gitgo. Thought she was empty, dull and passionless. Don't want to watch old videos, watching them the first time was painful enough! Give her a new man so she will forget about Ridge, how many times does she have to lose him to get the picture? He will always choose Brooke over her. More story with a different man, I will watch. More poor Taylor sitting around crying, drinking, or whatever this supposedly educated, polished woman does, NO THANK YOU. Stephanie or no Stephanie, Taylor isn't the woman for Ridge. Thank you, writers! |
#18
2009/09/21 03:59PM
Re: Think you know Taylor now...
hookedonmick |
I will never be a Taylor fan. It has nothing to do with Bridge. Actually I wish the writers had left Nick and Brooke together from the first time they got together. My problem has always been the way the writers have written Taylor. She has always come across as being a snob and thinking she is better than everyone else on the show. My opinion of her was sealed the minute she slept with James. But I am not a big fan of Hunter Tylo either. |
#19
2009/09/21 04:57PM
Re: Think you know Taylor now...
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BetchaDidntKnow |
Quote hookedonmick: I will never be a Taylor fan. It has nothing to do with Bridge. Actually I wish the writers had left Nick and Brooke together from the first time they got together. My problem has always been the way the writers have written Taylor. She has always come across as being a snob and thinking she is better than everyone else on the show. My opinion of her was sealed the minute she slept with James. But I am not a big fan of Hunter Tylo either. I think you may be closing in on an abuse. We are not talking about Tylo personally, simply a role she plays. Our likes and dislikes of each individual should not come into play even if you personally know one or all of the actors. |
#20
2009/09/21 05:17PM
Re: Think you know Taylor now...
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vicc |
Quote BetchaDidntKnow: Quote vicc: I agree that the SLs are not always well written, but most of what I have read in this thread is just a contrived effort to make Taylor shine-- brought on by the fact that Brooke won in the triangle. All the spin on the SL and the characters-past and present- is pure personal opnion and feelings. It is amazing how some delve so deep into their explanations of this Soap. I bet the writers are amazed at how posters can convince themselves of what they see. It has been too obvious that the main focus of the triangle has been about the love connection that Brooke and Ridge can never let go. Yes, Ridge has loved and loves Taylor--but she has always been just another one of the factors/people in the SL drama regarding intrusions/conflicts with Bridge. Where the writers go with what happens now--only they know... It will be perfectfly fine if an interesting SL is created for Taylor--hope they can make Taylor shine--her fans seem to really need that... To say Brooke is dull--Taylor is more unexplored, etc.---too obvious what the real message is here--talk about dead horse beaten. We get the message that you want to try to build Taylor up--over Brooke. Brooke is far from dull; there is actually a lot of exciting SLs/new directions that could be developed with Brooke-- the character and the actress...great material with great potential. Nothing posted convinced otherwise. Sorry, but not everything revolves around the Brooke character. Yep, we who enjoy the Taylor character liked what we saw right off the bat. That isn't to say that Brooke had less value but that someone on the show other than Brooke appealed to a different audience base. I liked Caroline but hey she's dead and I easily transferred my appreciation to Taylor. It wasn't a stretch.Love Brooke and build her up for all you're worth. That still doesn't distract from the fact that there was another character on the show that other people liked and enjoyed watching what was coming up next for her. Nothing wrong with that. It just wasn't Brooke that we were watching the show for. My original post did not BASH Brooke but rather took the view point of how the writers have changed the Taylor character so much over the past few years from a self confident and self assured doctor. Taylor always knew when to stay and when to leave. It never meant that she didn't love the guy but that she knew when to just leave it alone. If you like how they are writing Brooke today, more power to you. I think the character is in limbo with no one to fight against (but soon she'll be fighting with her sister, Katie). It still has nothing to do with Taylor, however, if you choose to look back on some of the writing from the past you will find that the writers have reused lines between Brooke and Ridge that were spoken by Taylor and Ridge in almost the identical settings. That's very unoriginal... The original post is about Taylor and if you choose to bash her...fine. For whatever happy feeling you derive from that. I haven't and will not compare the merit of the two characters because frankly both are needed in their own way. Yep, the writers are loving this because it means they keep their jobs for another year. Once the bantering stops about the characters the show will be canceled...just ask the writers of GL. There is no reason to be sorry. I never stated that everthing revolves around Brooke. There is no need to state the obvious-- of course it is common knowledge that there are Taylor fans. I wouldn't expect there not to be. I don't have a great dislike for Taylor-- I don't try to bash her. I just have an opinion of who her character is on the soap --which is based on the realism of the soap. I don't see that much likness between Taylor and Caroline. I admit that Taylor has virtues, but she should have realized that Ridge loved Brooke (as Caroline did and told her). She is a Psychiatrist who surely knew her patient was in a confused emotional state. Certainly she should have been more professional with her counsel than to get involved with her patient--so she caused herself the pain she has suffered placing herself between Brooke and Ridge. I disagree that Taylor knows when to leave it alone. I do agree that the writers took her down a lower moral road as the years went by. Just as Taylor has virtues--so does Brooke. I don't try to just bash Taylor, and I don't agree with the exaggerated bashing of Brooke. Like Taylor-Brooke has made mistakes, but Brooke is a great character. Brooke has a lot of personality--I am sure the writers can do more with her than keep her in limbo. My personal opinion is that the character of Brooke is much more interesting than the Taylor character. It appears you feel a need to "take up for Taylor". I hope the writers will pick-up her character. IMO--the Taylor character is dull. I agree that both Brooke and Taylor are needed in their own way. I stated from the beginning that the SLs are not always well written. Hopefully the writers will come up with better material for both of them (than to be involved in a triangle with Ridge). We don't know how the writers are feeling. From the rumors that I have heard--soaps in general may be on the way out. Time will tell. |
#21
2009/09/21 06:03PM
Re: Think you know Taylor now...
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Ginger2 |
Quote BetchaDidntKnow: If you think that Taylor is too weak to deserve a man then you probably should feel the same way about Brooke. Until her return, Taylor was the strength and Brooke was the weak. No lie and no bashing. It's just how it was. Brooke always envied/hated Taylor and there are episodes that attest to that. Additionally there are episodes where Brooke confessed that Ridge's love for Taylor was real and undeniable. Unfortunately, Taylor is now getting ripped apart by the writers and the bloggers. Which is unfortunate. Redemption is around the corner for her. Ridge will see her again. Brooke will envy her again. Taylor will be a challenge again. If these things don't happen then she'll be written off again to the delight of many. But really how can you have a show where there isn't a moral character who doesn't make the show better or at least add food for thought or perhaps a bit of romance. Like her or or hate her, you should get to know Taylor before you cast her aside. She is refreshing when you think about all of the nonsense that Brooke has done to her in the past. Unfortunately, there isn't a laundry list of things that Taylor has done to Brooke. Think you know Taylor... I don't think so. Oh,good grief! LOL..........I've known Taylor since day one and she's the same pathetic, weak, passive aggressive one note character she's always been. That's how she's been written.....that's who she is! Accept the fact that everyone doesn't see her the way you do. She's been written off before and the show went on just fine....it will again if that's what the writers decide to do. She's merely a bump in the road for Ridge and Brooke..nothing more. |
#22
2009/09/21 06:11PM
Re: Think you know Taylor now...
michaelee |
Quote BetchaDidntKnow: Quote hookedonmick: I will never be a Taylor fan. It has nothing to do with Bridge. Actually I wish the writers had left Nick and Brooke together from the first time they got together. My problem has always been the way the writers have written Taylor. She has always come across as being a snob and thinking she is better than everyone else on the show. My opinion of her was sealed the minute she slept with James. But I am not a big fan of Hunter Tylo either. I think you may be closing in on an abuse. We are not talking about Tylo personally, simply a role she plays. Our likes and dislikes of each individual should not come into play even if you personally know one or all of the actors. I would not call that abuse. She was simply stating a fact by saying that she does not like the character Taylor or the actor Tylo. I totally understand where she is coming from because I am of the same opinion. Frankly, my dislike of the character has more to do with how she is being portrayed. I see her as being spineless, weak, lifeless and uninteresting. I just do not understand why is it that she always need Stephanie’s approval to go after Ridge. I do not care how close they are but I would like to think that for once there is some privacy in her love life. For heaven’s sake, why does Taylor find it necessary to discuss the details of her sex life with Stephanie? Moreover, like a champion, whenever she does the deed with Ridge, Stephanie is her biggest cheerleader. Come on now, this has been happening for years, so at what point is Taylor going to be woman enough to live her own life without the influence and approval of Stephanie and her kids. That is just too pathetic and this does not show any strength in her character. She has had the opportunity of living her dream life with Prince Omar, Hector, Nick, to name a few. Instead, she just places herself in the position to be used by Stephanie and cause herself more hurt and pain. Quite simply, IMO the woman lacks common sense.
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#23
2009/09/21 06:21PM
Re: Think you know Taylor now...
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Ginger2 |
Now let me get this right. You are accusing Taylor of sleeping with Eric. Fact she didn't. She did kiss him and immediately thought better of allowing anything to happen. That's call restraint. That didn't happen with any other women on the show. They all slept with him. All of them except Taylor and I guess Katie as she was a minor when this happened. |
#24
2009/09/21 06:37PM
Re: Think you know Taylor now...
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Ginger2 |
Quote PelphreyPosse: Never liked Taylor from the gitgo. Thought she was empty, dull and passionless. Don't want to watch old videos, watching them the first time was painful enough! Give her a new man so she will forget about Ridge, how many times does she have to lose him to get the picture? He will always choose Brooke over her. More story with a different man, I will watch. More poor Taylor sitting around crying, drinking, or whatever this supposedly educated, polished woman does, NO THANK YOU. Stephanie or no Stephanie, Taylor isn't the woman for Ridge. Thank you, writers! I'm not a Taylor fan.......never have been, probably never will be. I have seen her from the first day she appeared much the same way you do. She's just a footnote in the whole scheme of things....she's not one of the core four and serves the purpose of why her character was even introduced into the show........as a interloper in Ridge and Brooke's love. Taylor has always been Ridge's second choice. When things get in the way of his being with Brooke, he turns to Taylor. He said it himself....."Taylor is easy to be with, Brooke is often hard to be with." Taylor is a doormat......she requires nothing from Ridge. She doesn't care if he's in love with another woman, if he wants to temporarily be with Taylor, she accepts him. She doesn't hold him accountable for his actions, and she doesn't challenge him on any level. She's easy...... And that's a big part of why Ridge will ALWAYS prefer to be with Brooke. |
#25
2009/09/21 06:42PM
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BetchaDidntKnow |
Quote Ginger2: Now let me get this right. You are accusing Taylor of sleeping with Eric. Fact she didn't. She did kiss him and immediately thought better of allowing anything to happen. That's call restraint. That didn't happen with any other women on the show. They all slept with him. All of them except Taylor and I guess Katie as she was a minor when this happened. You know.......this isn't accurate at all. Taylor didn't use any restraint with Eric. You can go back and watch the whole thing from archives, or read the script, but it didn't happen the way you describe at all. She was with Eric, kissing and carrying on several episodes. It wasn't a one time slip up! She even let Stephanie confide in her how she (Stephanie) thought Eric was going to come back to her and how much she still loved him. Taylor just sat there and listened, knowing that she had been kissing him just a short while before. Taylor then told Eric about how Stephanie was still in love with him and if they (Taylor and ERic) were going to be together, that he needed to make sure that Stephanie knew that getting back together wasn't going to happen. Eric gave Taylor a key to his apartment and told her to use it to let herself in and they'd be together that night. Taylor went shopping for a new sexy nightie! She put it in her overnight bag and took off for Eric's apartment. She let herself in and what do you suppose she found? She found Eric passed out in bed and Stephanie snuggled up right beside him! LOL OMG!!!!! I laughed myself silly! The look on Taylor's face was p r i c e l e s s !!! She ran out of the apartment crying her eyes out....."why, why does this keep happening to meeeeeee!!" I'd like to have given her a hint.......it's because you sneak around behind people's backs and try to be with their man! LOL Yeah, yea.......say what you want about Brooke, but she announces her intentions right up front and there are no surprises. Really, this was one of my favorite episodes and I DO remember it pretty well. That plus the fact that I viewed it not that many months ago when I ran across it on another site. The way you described it above isn't the whole story. OMGoodness.. thanks for the memories. I couldn't have laughed any harder during those episodes back then but I still like Taylor and won't bash Brooke so keep bringing up the fun stuff and I'll keep laughing!!! |
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