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Think you know Taylor now...

Started by BetchaDidntKnow at 2009/09/20 04:59PM
Latest post: 2009/09/23 10:34AM, Views: 1791, Replies: 78
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#1   2009/09/20 04:59PM
Think you know Taylor now...
BetchaDidntKnow
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If you think that Taylor is too weak to deserve a man then you probably should feel the same way about Brooke. Until her return, Taylor was the strength and Brooke was the weak. No lie and no bashing. It's just how it was. Brooke always envied/hated Taylor and there are episodes that attest to that. Additionally there are episodes where Brooke confessed that Ridge's love for Taylor was real and undeniable. Unfortunately, Taylor is now getting ripped apart by the writers and the bloggers. Which is unfortunate. Redemption is around the corner for her.

Ridge will see her again. Brooke will envy her again. Taylor will be a challenge again. If these things don't happen then she'll be written off again to the delight of many. But really how can you have a show where there isn't a moral character who doesn't make the show better or at least add food for thought or perhaps a bit of romance. Like her or or hate her, you should get to know Taylor before you cast her aside. She is refreshing when you think about all of the nonsense that Brooke has done to her in the past. Unfortunately, there isn't a laundry list of things that Taylor has done to Brooke. Think you know Taylor... I don't think so.

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#2   2009/09/20 05:36PM
Re: Think you know Taylor now...
Latricia
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I'm loving your post already my friend,Welcome to the Taylor fanbase support club.

#3   2009/09/20 05:39PM
Re: Think you know Taylor now...
michaelee
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If you think that Brooke is weak, think again. After all, a weak person could not have stood up to, survived all the brutal attacks, from Stephanie and still live to talk about it. For me, that shows the strength of Brooke's character and I think she has shown too much patience, grace and stamina over the years of abuse she suffered at Stephanie's hands.

It is also common knowledge that Ridge is a playboy, which is how the character was written, so if in the future, he chooses to go back to Taylor, he will do so to escape the realities of life with Brooke. Taylor will always be second choice in Ridge's eyes because ever since the day he discovered that she is not the angel he thought she was, his love for her changed and nothing she does or says is going to let him feel differently. The difference is - Brooke is still the same person Ridge fell in love with over 20 years ago. She is without pretense, she is who she is, faults and all. I.e. she is the real deal, nothing fake about her at all.

In fact, when a woman needs the help of a crisis, drugs, alcohol, or her children, or her mother-in-law to pull a man into her corner, that my friend speaks volumes and if that is not a sure sign of weakness, then I do not know what is.

#4   2009/09/20 05:45PM
Re: Think you know Taylor now...
BetchaDidntKnow
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:) - Hard to not like and root for the Taylor of old especially when they keep feeding us glimpses of her old persona. I'm wondering what they plan on doing with her now? I have an idea and it ain't good but it will draw a man from her past back into her life.

#5   2009/09/20 05:59PM
Re: Think you know Taylor now...
michaelee
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If only she was not so phony and deranged. No one wants to spend the rest of their life sitting on pins and needles wondering when to expect the unexpected. Just too stressful IMO.

#6   2009/09/20 06:02PM
Re: Think you know Taylor now...
BetchaDidntKnow
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I think that your dislike is more of Steffers than Taylor. It is fine to dislike Taylor but remember Taylor was held accountable by Ridge for her transgression of adultry and that is fine. However when has he ever held Brooke accountable for let's say sleeping and bearing the child of her daughter's husband or sleeping yet again with her daughter's husband or let's say determining if she was fertile enough at her age to become pregnant to give said brother a baby and so on?

I'm not going to bash the Brooke character because there aren't enough brooms in the world. My position is and was that if you bash Taylor because she is weak today or since her return, you never knew the character in the past as a strong and independent woman. Nothing against Brooke's strength. That sounds just odd saying it. Brooke wasn't written to be a strong character but a smoldering and captivating light. Nothing wrong with that except... the writers have turned her into Taylor, word for word from yesteryear which is unfortunate because I don't think Brooke fans want Brooke to be Taylor but the spitfire of her original character with a little bit of polish yet with a touch of her old vulnerability.

Brooke's strength and perserverance is to be applauded. I just say not at the expense of the Taylor character as it has been for the past few years. Take a look at the character that you really dislike, Steffers and I'm sure that you will find that even Steffers has concrete and valid reasons for being disgusted and insensitive to Brooke.

Brooke doesn't have one friend on the show. At least Taylor has that in Steffers and as a friend Steffers is standing up and supporting her friend. Can't hate her for that now can we.

#7   2009/09/20 06:05PM
Re: Think you know Taylor now...
BetchaDidntKnow
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? I thought you were a Brooke fan? Why are you putting her down all of a sudden? Deranged?? I'm not even putting her down.

#8   2009/09/20 06:08PM
Re: Think you know Taylor now...
Latricia
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Quote BetchaDidntKnow: ? I thought you were a Brooke fan? Why are you putting her down all of a sudden? Deranged?? I'm not even putting her down.


Haahaa.. good one lmao.

#9   2009/09/20 06:50PM
Re: Think you know Taylor now...
michaelee
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Quote BetchaDidntKnow: I think that your dislike is more of Steffers than Taylor. It is fine to dislike Taylor but remember Taylor was held accountable by Ridge for her transgression of adultry and that is fine. However when has he ever held Brooke accountable for let's say sleeping and bearing the child of her daughter's husband or sleeping yet again with her daughter's husband or let's say determining if she was fertile enough at her age to become pregnant to give said brother a baby and so on?

I'm not going to bash the Brooke character because there aren't enough brooms in the world. My position is and was that if you bash Taylor because she is weak today or since her return, you never knew the character in the past as a strong and independent woman. Nothing against Brooke's strength. That sounds just odd saying it. Brooke wasn't written to be a strong character but a smoldering and captivating light. Nothing wrong with that except... the writers have turned her into Taylor, word for word from yesteryear which is unfortunate because I don't think Brooke fans want Brooke to be Taylor but the spitfire of her original character with a little bit of polish yet with a touch of her old vulnerability.

Brooke's strength and perserverance is to be applauded. I just say not at the expense of the Taylor character as it has been for the past few years. Take a look at the character that you really dislike, Steffers and I'm sure that you will find that even Steffers has concrete and valid reasons for being disgusted and insensitive to Brooke.

Brooke doesn't have one friend on the show. At least Taylor has that in Steffers and as a friend Steffers is standing up and supporting her friend. Can't hate her for that now can we.




It is obvious to me that the truth will always be distorted by some mediums. (dead giveaways) Therefore, I am not going to rehash the whole triangle bit but I agree that Ridge did hold Taylor accountable for her adulterous affair BUT and a big BUT, he just could not get past the hypocrisy. As I stated before, Brooke is just Brooke, no pretense, so therefore no need to be held accountable because you know what, it will come from her mouth first. That is what smart women do - do not allow people to keep secrets for you. That lends itself to control and possible blackmail.

However, if my memory serves me correct - who were the people, that on two recent occasions rooted for Ridge to be with Brooke aha! The people that matters most. His father, brother, sister, niece, son etc. Very interesting, Brooke has no one in her corner eh!

#10   2009/09/20 07:20PM
Re: Think you know Taylor now...
BetchaDidntKnow
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Quote michaelee:
Quote BetchaDidntKnow: I think that your dislike is more of Steffers than Taylor. It is fine to dislike Taylor but remember Taylor was held accountable by Ridge for her transgression of adultry and that is fine. However when has he ever held Brooke accountable for let's say sleeping and bearing the child of her daughter's husband or sleeping yet again with her daughter's husband or let's say determining if she was fertile enough at her age to become pregnant to give said brother a baby and so on?

I'm not going to bash the Brooke character because there aren't enough brooms in the world. My position is and was that if you bash Taylor because she is weak today or since her return, you never knew the character in the past as a strong and independent woman. Nothing against Brooke's strength. That sounds just odd saying it. Brooke wasn't written to be a strong character but a smoldering and captivating light. Nothing wrong with that except... the writers have turned her into Taylor, word for word from yesteryear which is unfortunate because I don't think Brooke fans want Brooke to be Taylor but the spitfire of her original character with a little bit of polish yet with a touch of her old vulnerability.

Brooke's strength and perserverance is to be applauded. I just say not at the expense of the Taylor character as it has been for the past few years. Take a look at the character that you really dislike, Steffers and I'm sure that you will find that even Steffers has concrete and valid reasons for being disgusted and insensitive to Brooke.

Brooke doesn't have one friend on the show. At least Taylor has that in Steffers and as a friend Steffers is standing up and supporting her friend. Can't hate her for that now can we.




It is obvious to me that the truth will always be distorted by some mediums. (dead giveaways) Therefore, I am not going to rehash the whole triangle bit but I agree that Ridge did hold Taylor accountable for her adulterous affair BUT and a big BUT, he just could not get past the hypocrisy. As I stated before, Brooke is just Brooke, no pretense, so therefore no need to be held accountable because you know what, it will come from her mouth first. That is what smart women do - do not allow people to keep secrets for you. That lends itself to control and possible blackmail.

However, if my memory serves me correct - who were the people, that on two recent occasions rooted for Ridge to be with Brooke aha! The people that matters most. His father, brother, sister, niece, son etc. Very interesting, Brooke has no one in her corner eh!



Hmmm, I think those are all family members. Remember Taylor and Steffers were friends before marriage. Even when Steffers didn't like Taylor she eventually became her friend aside from Ridge.

I would never distort the truth about Brooke and Taylor. The characters were written to play against one another. Ridge actually chose Taylor. Brooke hated it and did everything possible to convenience him that he didn't love her. She finally gave up after the Pierce guy story line ended. Had they not killed Taylor again, Ridge and Taylor would probably be together but they did and they aren't.

You always have to be held accountable no matter if you profess it with your mouth. For example: We bailed out wall street and they admitted to their wrongs but their behavior following the bail out was unrepentant and they went back to their old tricks. Should we bail them out again. Well that's what Brooke has been... a bail out over and over and over and over. You get my point? But there lies the problem there is not point to Brooke. I guess you take what you can get from the Brooke character. Well it is fantasy land as you eluded to before.

Fun debating the show with ya.

#11   2009/09/20 07:34PM
Re: Think you know Taylor now...
michaelee
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Food for thought - it was said that Brooke has no friends on the show, so who are Taylor's friends - you mean the person that uses her at her will. Moreover, why would a true and loyal friend be having an affair with her supposed best friend's husband?

Here are some of my definitions of a true friend -

1. Someone who does not use you when it is convenient for him or her to do so.

2. Someone who does not burden you with his or her secrets.

3. Someone who does not drain you psychologically.

4. Someone who does not try to harm you by doing something morally questionable they know you may not like.

5. Someone who does not malleable turn you into his or her doormat.

#12   2009/09/20 08:32PM
Re: Think you know Taylor now...
BetchaDidntKnow
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Quote michaelee: Food for thought - it was said that Brooke has no friends on the show, so who are Taylor's friends - you mean the person that uses her at her will. Moreover, why would a true and loyal friend be having an affair with her supposed best friend's husband?

Here are some of my definitions of a true friend -

1. Someone who does not use you when it is convenient for him or her to do so.

2. Someone who does not burden you with his or her secrets.

3. Someone who does not drain you psychologically.

4. Someone who does not try to harm you by doing something morally questionable they know you may not like.

5. Someone who does not malleable turn you into his or her doormat.


Now let me get this right. You are accusing Taylor of sleeping with Eric. Fact she didn't. She did kiss him and immediately thought better of allowing anything to happen. That's call restraint. That didn't happen with any other women on the show. They all slept with him. All of them except Taylor and I guess Katie as she was a minor when this happened.

Now the definitions that you give a friend are accurate however it is the who you are applying it to that gives me pause. Why is this friendship definition being thrown at Taylor and Steffers but does not apply to let's say Brooke and Ridge? They too are friends, right?. Use your bullets and apply that friendship scale with Brook and Ridge. It's not adding up. So where is the friendship and respect? Don't think it exists as the relationship has existed for countless years on manipulation and falsehoods. There are a hosts of examples that I could use to suggest that perhaps Ridge and Brooke really aren't friends and that what he had with Taylor was a relationship built on friendship and later affection and then love.

But whatever.. this whole things has digressed from saying "Think you know Taylor now" which eludes to how much do you know about the character to consider her weak, sniveling and a hanger-on. Those adjectives have never described Taylor except in the minds of people who have always wanted the Brooke character to have Ridge. Nothing wrong with that however it is unfortunate that the writers also chose to destroy the Taylor character in their need to balance the scales with the Taylor and Brooke characters after all of these years.

I don't recognize either character today but I at least understood the Brooke character and her motives in the past. Today she's a shell of her old self and rather boring and predictable which is unfortunate because she did add drama and flair to the program. Now she's no different than any other character that is getting a little long in the tooth. Where to take her next? There isn't any place, she's done it all.

Redemption for Taylor... she has a plethora of directions and stories to come and I shall look forward to them! This just may give some life sustaining blood to Brooke as she really is no longer a contributing factor to the future story lines although the writers will try to make something out of nothing... but she really can't drive a story anymore.

As I stated before perhaps you might want to take a look at some old videos of when Taylor first came into the show and exactly how resentful, rude and obnoxious Brooke was to her. Might not make you like Taylor anymore but it will show you that she was a principled and decent character before the writers severed her dignity.

#13   2009/09/20 08:53PM
Re: Think you know Taylor now...
michaelee
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Quote BetchaDidntKnow:
Quote michaelee:
Quote BetchaDidntKnow: I think that your dislike is more of Steffers than Taylor. It is fine to dislike Taylor but remember Taylor was held accountable by Ridge for her transgression of adultry and that is fine. However when has he ever held Brooke accountable for let's say sleeping and bearing the child of her daughter's husband or sleeping yet again with her daughter's husband or let's say determining if she was fertile enough at her age to become pregnant to give said brother a baby and so on?

I'm not going to bash the Brooke character because there aren't enough brooms in the world. My position is and was that if you bash Taylor because she is weak today or since her return, you never knew the character in the past as a strong and independent woman. Nothing against Brooke's strength. That sounds just odd saying it. Brooke wasn't written to be a strong character but a smoldering and captivating light. Nothing wrong with that except... the writers have turned her into Taylor, word for word from yesteryear which is unfortunate because I don't think Brooke fans want Brooke to be Taylor but the spitfire of her original character with a little bit of polish yet with a touch of her old vulnerability.

Brooke's strength and perserverance is to be applauded. I just say not at the expense of the Taylor character as it has been for the past few years. Take a look at the character that you really dislike, Steffers and I'm sure that you will find that even Steffers has concrete and valid reasons for being disgusted and insensitive to Brooke.

Brooke doesn't have one friend on the show. At least Taylor has that in Steffers and as a friend Steffers is standing up and supporting her friend. Can't hate her for that now can we.




It is obvious to me that the truth will always be distorted by some mediums. (dead giveaways) Therefore, I am not going to rehash the whole triangle bit but I agree that Ridge did hold Taylor accountable for her adulterous affair BUT and a big BUT, he just could not get past the hypocrisy. As I stated before, Brooke is just Brooke, no pretense, so therefore no need to be held accountable because you know what, it will come from her mouth first. That is what smart women do - do not allow people to keep secrets for you. That lends itself to control and possible blackmail.

However, if my memory serves me correct - who were the people, that on two recent occasions rooted for Ridge to be with Brooke aha! The people that matters most. His father, brother, sister, niece, son etc. Very interesting, Brooke has no one in her corner eh!



Hmmm, I think those are all family members. Remember Taylor and Steffers were friends before marriage. Even when Steffers didn't like Taylor she eventually became her friend aside from Ridge.

I would never distort the truth about Brooke and Taylor. The characters were written to play against one another. Ridge actually chose Taylor. Brooke hated it and did everything possible to convenience him that he didn't love her. She finally gave up after the Pierce guy story line ended. Had they not killed Taylor again, Ridge and Taylor would probably be together but they did and they aren't.

You always have to be held accountable no matter if you profess it with your mouth. For example: We bailed out wall street and they admitted to their wrongs but their behavior following the bail out was unrepentant and they went back to their old tricks. Should we bail them out again. Well that's what Brooke has been... a bail out over and over and over and over. You get my point? But there lies the problem there is not point to Brooke. I guess you take what you can get from the Brooke character. Well it is fantasy land as you eluded to before.

Fun debating the show with ya.




The point is, Stephanie's feud is with Brooke and she always, always uses Taylor to drive a wedge between Bridge when it suits her. To me, families make the best friends, they are usually more loyal, trustworthy and you can always depend on them for the truth. Have you ever seen Taylor's friend, Stephanie, have a serious discussion with her, in a caring way, about her life and the way it is headed. Where was she when Taylor was drinking herself to a stupor that she had to turn to baby Rick for solace? Whose side was she on when she quickly forgave Taylor for causing Ally to lose her mom and Thorne to lose his beloved wife to drunk driving?

Another questionable act of friendship is the most recent drug abuse s/l. It was so disturbing because Stephanie knew that Ridge was taking Taylor's pills and she knew that Taylor gave the first pill to Ridge. Any normal mother would be livid - yes, I was very surprised at Stephanie's nonchalant attitude about the whole thing. Are you telling me that her obsession with Bridge is so intense and so much more important to her that she was willing to sacrifice the safety of her beloved son by overlooking the cocktail of drugs, alcohol and sex? That is appalling to say the least. In fact, I still have problems wrapping my head around that one. At the time, I wondered if TPTB had taken leave of their senses with that irresponsible s/l.

Sure, you hold people accountable for their actions but using Wall Street as an illustration is a poor comparison. The point is - that is politics. For us to sit and believe that they were sorry or repentant for their seemingly mistakes is naive. That whole thing was orchestrated to work the way it is working now. The money was placed in the hands of the intended to make some stronger and others weaker. We will see that happen repeatedly in the future, so I will never parallel a situation like that to Brooke’s life.

Hmm! Brooke has been a bail out over and over. When was that? As far as I know, she has paid for her sins ten times over, she has been judged and ridiculed by the righteous but you know what, she survived it all, reinvented herself and she is still Brooke, a real woman with real life issues and in spite of it all, she still has a loving heart, such patience and tolerant ways. Does a real person live in fantasyland? I do not think so – incidentally, I am a realist so I like dealing with real people because I consider it a total waste of my time to try to figure out what the phonies are up to, so I absolutely have no use for the self-righteous because I am not fooled into thinking that they exist. To me it is all a smokescreen.

I am also drawn to strong women who know what they want and how to go after it. Brooke will always go after her man, she understands his playboy attitude and frankly, she is seasoned to it. Did she not lend Ridge to the shrink to go straighten himself out and then come back to her when he is healed from his hurt? I mean it was accomplished in an unorthodox way - a cocktail of drugs, alcohol, sex, a marriage proposal, a hurried wedding where the groom ended up marrying the horse of his destiny. Nevertheless, he did come back a more focused man. What can I say?

The point is, Taylor unethically placed herself in the middle of a triangle she knew existed, so she should not have a problem dealing with the issues that arise from another careless and poor judgment that obviously lacked common sense. Taylor taking herself out of something that is much bigger than she is and quit blaming Brooke for her inadequacies can easily resolve all of this.

#14   2009/09/20 09:18PM
Re: Think you know Taylor now...
michaelee
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Quote BetchaDidntKnow:
Quote michaelee: Food for thought - it was said that Brooke has no friends on the show, so who are Taylor's friends - you mean the person that uses her at her will. Moreover, why would a true and loyal friend be having an affair with her supposed best friend's husband?

Here are some of my definitions of a true friend -

1. Someone who does not use you when it is convenient for him or her to do so.

2. Someone who does not burden you with his or her secrets.

3. Someone who does not drain you psychologically.

4. Someone who does not try to harm you by doing something morally questionable they know you may not like.

5. Someone who does not malleable turn you into his or her doormat.


Now let me get this right. You are accusing Taylor of sleeping with Eric. Fact she didn't. She did kiss him and immediately thought better of allowing anything to happen. That's call restraint. That didn't happen with any other women on the show. They all slept with him. All of them except Taylor and I guess Katie as she was a minor when this happened.

Now the definitions that you give a friend are accurate however it is the who you are applying it to that gives me pause. Why is this friendship definition being thrown at Taylor and Steffers but does not apply to let's say Brooke and Ridge? They too are friends, right?. Use your bullets and apply that friendship scale with Brook and Ridge. It's not adding up. So where is the friendship and respect? Don't think it exists as the relationship has existed for countless years on manipulation and falsehoods. There are a hosts of examples that I could use to suggest that perhaps Ridge and Brooke really aren't friends and that what he had with Taylor was a relationship built on friendship and later affection and then love.

But whatever.. this whole things has digressed from saying "Think you know Taylor now" which eludes to how much do you know about the character to consider her weak, sniveling and a hanger-on. Those adjectives have never described Taylor except in the minds of people who have always wanted the Brooke character to have Ridge. Nothing wrong with that however it is unfortunate that the writers also chose to destroy the Taylor character in their need to balance the scales with the Taylor and Brooke characters after all of these years.

I don't recognize either character today but I at least understood the Brooke character and her motives in the past. Today she's a shell of her old self and rather boring and predictable which is unfortunate because she did add drama and flair to the program. Now she's no different than any other character that is getting a little long in the tooth. Where to take her next? There isn't any place, she's done it all.

Redemption for Taylor... she has a plethora of directions and stories to come and I shall look forward to them! This just may give some life sustaining blood to Brooke as she really is no longer a contributing factor to the future story lines although the writers will try to make something out of nothing... but she really can't drive a story anymore.

As I stated before perhaps you might want to take a look at some old videos of when Taylor first came into the show and exactly how resentful, rude and obnoxious Brooke was to her. Might not make you like Taylor anymore but it will show you that she was a principled and decent character before the writers severed her dignity.



Let us keep this short; Taylor kissing Eric was another poor judgment on her part that lacks common sense. It is not a question of restraint because it was not a onetime thing. We are talking about at the pool, at dinner etc. They had several dates where they were observed kissing and the only reason why it did not go any further is that she was brought back to reality by fear of Stephanie's wrath.

The caption of this thread is about Taylor and as I have repeatedly said, Brooke is not a saint, she never professed to be one, so I will not be quick to judge her as I do the ones that profess self-righteousness by placing themselves on a pedestal.

I do not need to go back to the old videos to validate my points. Most of what I write regarding this soap can be proven because I am not the one that wrote the s/l's, I simply tell it as it is.

Brooke has every right to go off on Taylor because as someone stated earlier - actually, I think that was you - something to the fact that Stephanie, like a python only goes berserk when she is provoked and when she feels the need to protect her territory. I think Brooke has that right too and as far as I am concerned Taylor should thank her lucky stars that she is not as deranged as Stephanie is. Why – if Brooke was anything like Stephanie, she would hand Taylor a loaded gun to shoot herself and I believe Taylor would have complied or go drown her sorrows in more pills and alcohol. Frankly, Taylor would not have the guts to withstand Stephanie; she probably would have committed suicide a long time ago. So, hand that one to Taylor, she did the smart thing – befriend her enemy.

#15   2009/09/20 10:56PM
Re: Think you know Taylor now...
ivy0568
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I happen to be a Taylor fan and I just want the writers to let her finally find some happiness.If their is a man from her past that resurfaces back into her life.I'm hoping that he was a good one.I wish that they would bring back Peirce Omar or Hector they were some men that really loved and cared about her.I think going after Ridge was a mistake this time around because eventhough she has always loved him he really is no good for her now....though he isn't any good for Brooke either and I'm not a fan of her's but she does deserve better then Ridge.

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