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The one thing that really concerns me about Ron Paul is that he is the candidate the white supremist movement wants elected. I was watching a doc on the ws's and the "skin heads" are no longer the loud obnoxious people they once were. Now they are more clean cut and actually involved in local politics. Where I live (detroit area) there is a communtiy where there is a white supremist sect and they run a web site out of their home. These people want Ron Paul in. I am not saying that RP is a white supremist or that he believes in any way what these people do, but it is just the fact that these people want him makes me leery.

Wow, I'm sorry. I never meant to stir anything up. I honestly didn't know I was bashing, nor did I know I was coming across as if I wanted to start a debate on something. I know this is not the place for that, which is why I said to let me know if I need to post elsewhere. I honestly thought I was making an example of why that part about RP does not bother me as much as you, thats all. I thought as long as I wasn't bashing anything party related, this was ok. Don't worry, I will never come in here again, regardless of my intentions.

And for this statement:
That, too, should have made you uncomfortable.
I also apologize. In my head it does not come across as strong.

I hope you take my apology as sincere, like I mean for it to be. I really did just want to know some opinions from this specific group, not to start trouble, and I see the error of my ways. Again, I'm sorry. And I'm out.

Hill advances claim that Obama is "siding" with Chavez and Cuba
July 01, 2009 7:53 am ET
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SUMMARY: The Hill's Michael O'Brien reported Newt Gingrich's accusation that President Obama is siding with Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez and Cuban leaders on the ousting of the Honduran president, without noting that the European Union and UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon have also condemned the ouster.

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In a June 30 post on its Briefing Room blog, The Hill's Michael O'Brien advanced the conservative claim that President Obama is siding with Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez and Cuban leaders on the June 28 ousting of Honduran President Manuel Zelaya. O'Brien did not report that the European Union and United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon have also condemned the ouster. O'Brien wrote that former House Speaker Newt Gingrich "blasted Obama" on Twitter "for opposing the coup in Honduras, which the former GOP leader insisted would have left in place a 'leftist dictatorship.' " He then reprinted several of Gingrich's posts on Twitter, one of which stated: "Sadly the obama administration has joined castro and chavez attacking honduran supreme court and congress for defending their constitution."

As Media Matters for America has documented, Fox News' Glenn Beck, Wall Street Journal editorial board member Mary Anastasia O'Grady, and Internet gossip Matt Drudge have all advanced the claim that Obama is siding with Chavez and Cuban leaders, without noting that other world leaders have also condemned Zelaya's ouster.

On June 28, Obama released the following statement on the situation in Honduras:

I am deeply concerned by reports coming out of Honduras regarding the detention and expulsion of President Mel Zelaya. As the Organization of American States [OAS] did on Friday, I call on all political and social actors in Honduras to respect democratic norms, the rule of law and the tenets of the Inter-American Democratic Charter. Any existing tensions and disputes must be resolved peacefully through dialogue free from any outside interference.

At a June 29 joint press availability with Colombian President Álvaro Uribe, Obama stated: "All of us have great concerns about what's taken place there. President Zelaya was democratically elected. He had not yet completed his term. We believe that the coup was not legal and that President Zelaya remains the President of Honduras, the democratically elected President there. In that we have joined all the countries in the region, including Colombia and the Organization of American States." He later stated: "So we are very clear about the fact that President Zelaya is the democratically elected President, and we will work with the regional organizations like OAS and with other international institutions to see if we can resolve this in a peaceful way."

LOLz...lovesit & I are two very different posters.

If you believe someone is using multiple screen names, simply contact ADMN. I encourage you to do so.

ff i did not report your post as bad, i don't even know which one and how you found out about it, my guess is you calling EJ another poster, i would appreciate you stop calling me a pot stirrer, thank you

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the republicians always say obama has his meetings stacked, thought this was interesting

Fox Nation ignores resident Chris Wallace
July 03, 2009 6:42 pm ET



SUMMARY: A Fox Nation headline asked, "Obama Busted Stacking Town Hall ... What If Bush Had?" But the same day on Fox News, Chris Wallace stated, "I know in the Bush administration, George W. Bush, they had a lot of these town hall meetings, and they chose all the people there."

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On July 3, FoxNation.com features the headline "Obama Busted Stacking Town Hall ... What If Bush Had?" But the suggestion that Bush did not screen town hall audiences or questions was refuted by Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace, who said on the July 3 edition of Fox & Friends that "town hall meetings ... have always been something of an artifice, because I know in the Bush administration, George W. Bush, they had a lot of these town hall meetings, and they chose all the people there. So everybody has always tried to get a home-court advantage." Indeed, a March 12, 2005, Washington Post article on Bush's 2005 Social Security town hall events reported, "The carefully screened panelists [at a town hall in Memphis] spoke admiringly about Bush, his ideas, his 'bold' leadership on Social Security. If the presentations sound well rehearsed, it's because they often are. The guests at these 'Oprah'-style conversations trumpet the very points Bush wants to make."

In the wake of an October 13, 2005, "staged" public video conference Bush held with several soldiers in Iraq, an October 15, 2005, Washington Post article on that event called it "one of the stranger and most awkwardly staged publicity events of the Bush presidency." The article further reported:

Before they [Bush and the soldiers] spoke, Allison Barber, a mid-level Pentagon official, helped coach the troops on who would be asked what by Bush. Afterward, according to Reuters, she told reporters that "we knew that the president was going to ask about security, coalition and training" but not the specific questions.

This not a new technique for Bush; his White House has perfected the public relations strategy of holding scripted events featuring the president's supporters. During the first part of the year, Bush traveled the country to discuss his Social Security plan, while aides stacked the audience with Republicans and tutored participants in these town hall events on what to say.

From the March 12, 2005, Washington Post article titled "Social Security: On With the Show":

The few dissenting voices in the Cannon Center for the Performing Arts were quickly silenced or escorted out by security. One woman with a soft voice but firm opposition to Bush was asked to leave, even though her protests were barely audible beyond her section in the back corner of the auditorium. The carefully screened panelists spoke admiringly about Bush, his ideas, his "bold" leadership on Social Security.

If the presentations sound well rehearsed, it's because they often are. The guests at these "Oprah"-style conversations trumpet the very points Bush wants to make. Seniors on stage express confidence that Bush's plan to create private investment accounts would not eat into promised benefits, and the granddaughter of one spoke hopefully on Friday of a richer retirement if the president prevails.

These meticulously staged "conversations on Social Security," as they are called, replicate a strategy that Bush used to great effect on the campaign trail.

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The White House follows a practiced formula for each of the meetings. First it picks a state in which generally it can pressure a lawmaker or two, and then it lines up panelists who will sing the praises of the president's plan. Finally, it loads the audience with Republicans and other supporters.

To help make its case, the White House recruits people such as Mark Darr, 31, an insurance agent from Benton, Ark., who joined the president on stage at a forum in Little Rock last month. In a subsequent interview, Darr said he believes he was chosen because he went to college with one son of Republican Gov. Mike Huckabee and provided insurance for another.

After the governor's office called, Darr said, he began receiving one call after another from the White House, quizzing him on his thoughts on Social Security and his family history, just as they did all the other candidates. "I'm sure they wanted to ... make sure they weren't going to embarrass the president," Darr said.