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Democratic no bash part 2

Started by cats meow at 2009/01/29 02:32PM
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#221   2009/05/16 05:35AM
Re: Democratic no bash part 2
Phuquaad
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mediamatters.org/columns/200905150039


President Obama is scheduled to speak at Notre Dame's graduation ceremony this weekend, after more than a month of complaints from a small number of anti-abortion rights activists who have received media attention far disproportionate to their numbers.

Since the announcement on March 20 that Obama would speak, The Washington Post alone has addressed the controversy in 11 articles and columns. The New York Times has dealt with it in eight columns and articles. And as for television news segments, there have been too many to count.

Seeing the media behave as though it is completely natural that the anti-abortion rights activists want to exclude Obama from the Notre Dame commencement because of his views on abortion is more than a little bizarre.

Not only because Obama won a majority of votes cast by Americans, Catholics, Indiana residents, and probably Notre Dame students and faculty (Obama won 58 percent of the vote in St. Joseph County, in which Notre Dame is located). And not only because most of the country favors abortion rights* and stem cell research, as do a plurality of Catholics.

#222   2009/05/16 05:37AM
Re: Democratic no bash part 2
Phuquaad
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Quote cats meow: that was a great video, i hope some of the opponents of gay marriage take the time to listen to that, what an eye opener, how very sad for that family, seems as tho everyone is always talking about the sex, too bad not the other aspects of just living


Not everyone will get it, especially the "knuckle draggers", and as he said we will be last as we are on most issues of democracy and freedom!

#223   2009/05/16 07:56AM
Re: Democratic no bash part 2
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www.aolhealth.com/health/child-health/news/article/

"MINNEAPOLIS (May 15) - A Minnesota judge has ruled that a 13-year-old boy with a highly treatable form of cancer must seek conventional medical treatment over his parents' objections.
In a 58-page ruling Friday, Brown County District Judge John Rodenberg found that Daniel Hauser has been "medically neglected" and is in need of child protection services.
Rodenberg said Daniel will stay in the custody of his parents, but Colleen and Anthony Hauser have until May 19 to get an updated chest X-ray for their son and select an oncologist
The judge wrote that Daniel has only a "rudimentary understanding at best of the risks and benefits of chemotherapy. ... he does not believe he is ill currently. The fact is that he is very ill currently."
Daniel's court-appointed attorney, Philip Elbert, called the decision unfortunate.
"I feel it's a blow to families," he said. "It marginalizes the decisions that parents face every day in regard to their children's medical care. It really affirms the role that big government is better at making our decisions for us."


The court-appointed attorney's comments blow my mind!! Typical Republican response!! Sure they're all for medically neglecting a child, but the goverment should not allow woman to have an abortion or gays and lesbians to marry!!!!

#224   2009/05/16 10:41AM
Re: Democratic no bash part 2
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how could ANY parent find fault with that ruling after reading all the facts, they have to do that with jehova witnesses all the time , that doesn't make the papers, anything to make it political, how desperate

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#225   2009/05/17 08:36AM
Re: Democratic no bash part 2
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Quote Phuquaad: www.aolhealth.com/health/child-health/news/article/

"MINNEAPOLIS (May 15) - A Minnesota judge has ruled that a 13-year-old boy with a highly treatable form of cancer must seek conventional medical treatment over his parents' objections.
In a 58-page ruling Friday, Brown County District Judge John Rodenberg found that Daniel Hauser has been "medically neglected" and is in need of child protection services.
Rodenberg said Daniel will stay in the custody of his parents, but Colleen and Anthony Hauser have until May 19 to get an updated chest X-ray for their son and select an oncologist
The judge wrote that Daniel has only a "rudimentary understanding at best of the risks and benefits of chemotherapy. ... he does not believe he is ill currently. The fact is that he is very ill currently."
Daniel's court-appointed attorney, Philip Elbert, called the decision unfortunate.
"I feel it's a blow to families," he said. "It marginalizes the decisions that parents face every day in regard to their children's medical care. It really affirms the role that big government is better at making our decisions for us."


The court-appointed attorney's comments blow my mind!! Typical Republican response!! Sure they're all for medically neglecting a child, but the goverment should not allow woman to have an abortion or gays and lesbians to marry!!!!



I AGREE with you on this so much. typical hypocrisy...actually questioning the government for stepping in on THIS issue (the child is not able to make decisions on his medical treatment!!!!!) - you are right, that is neglect - his parents decide his treatment and they are misguided!! i definitely see your point, he's upset about the government stepping in to SAVE a child yet thinks it's ok to banish the rights of a mother to have a legal abortion or gay marriage. something is so off with this.

in addition on this story it says::

Daniel was diagnosed with Hodgkin's lymphoma and stopped chemotherapy in February after a single treatment. He and his parents opted instead for "alternative medicines" based on their religious beliefs.

Child protection workers accused Daniel's parents of medical neglect; but in court, his mother insisted the boy wouldn't submit to chemotherapy for religious reasons and she said she wouldn't comply if the court orders it.

****Doctors have said Daniel's cancer had up to a 90 percent chance of being cured with chemotherapy and radiation. Without those treatments, doctors said his chances of survival are 5 percent****

Daniel's parents have been supporting what they say is their son's decision to treat the disease with nutritional supplements and other alternative treatments favored by the Nemenhah Band.

The Missouri-based religious group believes in natural healing methods advocated by some American Indians.

After the first chemotherapy treatment, the family said they wanted a second opinion, said Bostrom, a pediatric oncologist who recommended Daniel undergo chemotherapy and radiation.

They later informed him that Daniel would not undergo any more chemotherapy. Bostrom said Daniel's tumor shrunk after the first chemotherapy session, but X-rays show it has grown since he stopped the chemotherapy.

"My son is not in any medical danger at this point," Colleen Hauser testified at a court hearing last week. She also testified that Daniel is a medicine man and elder in the Nemenhah Band.


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this sounds so crazy. it's no doubt in my mind that daniel's so called "decision" was influenced by his parent's belief in this Nemenhah Band or whatever it is. children don't come up with this stuff on their own and are heavily influenced by their parents. they'll soon realize they KILLED their child over their religious beliefs. morons. i get so angry when a child is at stake. doctors are on this earth for a reason!!! and if someone wants to bring up religion, the Bible even makes mention of it.
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in addition it states::

The Hausers have eight children. Colleen Hauser told the New Ulm Journal newspaper that the family's Catholicism and adherence to the Nemenhah Band are not in conflict, and that she has used natural remedies to treat illness.

Nemenhah was founded in the 1990s by Philip Cloudpiler Landis, who said Thursday he once served four months in prison in Idaho for fraud related to advocating natural remedies.

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i have no problems with alternative treatments for things that are not of a serious nature or that may benefit with the scientific treatment. but i'm sorry...it does not cure cancer.

i have 1 friend right now that was diagnosed with breast cancer back in 2004. she opted against a masactomy at first claiming GOD did not want her to decimate her body (i think she did not want to do it) - her oncologists kept trying to advise her of the severity of it all. it spread, hit the lymph nodes etc. she was heavy into alternative therapies. she finally HAD to get the masactomies and complete node removal. it's now too late...it is stage 4 in her bones so she is terminal. i used to ask her if she was sure GOD was not speaking to her THROUGH her oncologists. she would stay true to her beliefs. but she is an adult. she can make her choices and we clearly see where they led. i do respect an adult's personal choice whether i agreee or not BUT this is a child being influenced by his parents. i really hope this child still has a chance.

#226   2009/05/17 10:47AM
Re: Democratic no bash part 2
cats meow
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i agree, sarah, adults are free to make decisions, it is a whole different thing when it is a child

#227   2009/05/17 10:52AM
Re: Democratic no bash part 2
cats meow
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crooks and liars.....Michael Steele's mind inhabits an alternate reality. This is his new talking point against gay marriage.

Republicans can reach a broader base by recasting gay marriage as an issue that could dent pocketbooks as small businesses spend more on health care and other benefits, GOP Chairman Michael Steele said Saturday.

Steele said that was just an example of how the party can retool its message to appeal to young voters and minorities without sacrificing core conservative principles. Steele said he used the argument weeks ago while chatting on a flight with a college student who described herself as fiscally conservative but socially liberal on issues like gay marriage.

''Now all of a sudden I've got someone who wasn't a spouse before, that I had no responsibility for, who is now getting claimed as a spouse that I now have financial responsibility for,'' Steele told Republicans at the state convention in traditionally conservative Georgia. ''So how do I pay for that? Who pays for that? You just cost me money.''

As Steele talked about ways the party could position itself, he also poked fun at his previous pledge to give the GOP a ''hip-hop makeover.''''You don't have to wear your pants cut down here or the big bling,'' he said.

So his argument is that gay marriage is fiscally irresponsible? Every time he opens his mouth, more garbage comes out of it. I'm sure the less than .050% of gay married couples will produce a huge dent in corporate earnings. First gays were just demented people who weren't allowed to make love because they would be thrown in jail for it. Now, in Steele's world, gays are just too costly. I mean, WTF?



this is my post........
maybe the rep party would like to eliminate all marriages to bring the cost of health care down
we have a number of friends that happen to be gay, they all have good jobs, pay taxes, go about daily living, since they are putting money into the system, i see no reason they should not get insurance and everything available to all of us
i michael steele is the voice of the republician party, i see the democrats being in charge for a very long time

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#228   2009/05/17 11:12AM
Re: Democratic no bash part 2
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Quote cats meow: i agree, sarah, adults are free to make decisions, it is a whole different thing when it is a child


that's exactly why things like this just get me so upset!! a child relies on their parents for good judgment and obviously this poor child is pretty much the victim in this. the child may be stating "he" does not want it but he is not mature enough to know what is in his best interest and his parents are influencing his decision making process with their beliefs. i find it so upsetting b/c his chances for recovery were so high!!!

#229   2009/05/17 11:35AM
Re: Democratic no bash part 2
cats meow
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Quote sarahconnor:
Quote cats meow: i agree, sarah, adults are free to make decisions, it is a whole different thing when it is a child


that's exactly why things like this just get me so upset!! a child relies on their parents for good judgment and obviously this poor child is pretty much the victim in this. the child may be stating "he" does not want it but he is not mature enough to know what is in his best interest and his parents are influencing his decision making process with their beliefs. i find it so upsetting b/c his chances for recovery were so high!!!


i wonder if the state didn't intervene and the child died, would the parents be arrested?

#230   2009/05/17 12:21PM
Re: Democratic no bash part 2
sarahconnor
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Quote cats meow:
Quote sarahconnor:
Quote cats meow: i agree, sarah, adults are free to make decisions, it is a whole different thing when it is a child


that's exactly why things like this just get me so upset!! a child relies on their parents for good judgment and obviously this poor child is pretty much the victim in this. the child may be stating "he" does not want it but he is not mature enough to know what is in his best interest and his parents are influencing his decision making process with their beliefs. i find it so upsetting b/c his chances for recovery were so high!!!


i wonder if the state didn't intervene and the child died, would the parents be arrested?


such a good point..they would probably get charged with some form of negligence of a child....probably not any form of murder...or if so, unintentional manslaughter....that's a tough one.

#231   2009/05/17 01:18PM
Re: Democratic no bash part 2
cats meow
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i find it odd that the republicians were complaining about government interference, yet this is a life of a 13 yr old child, makes you wonder, do they just spend their time looking for things to attack, if john mccain would have won, how many dems would have said anything about this, zero

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#232   2009/05/18 07:59AM
Re: Democratic no bash part 2
cats meow
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Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va.) tried to push back against the Pelosi attacks on ABC’s “This Week,” telling host George Stephanopoulos that the dust-up was not a big deal.

“I think this will resolve itself,” he said. “I don’t think it’s that big a deal.”

Webb went on to accuse Republicans of pushing the story in order to avoid the “issues of accountability in terms of the last administration.”

Pelosi has called on the CIA to release documents showing what she was told by the agency, even suggesting that she would be open to an examination of her own claim as part of a so-called truth commission investigation.

But Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said he does not want the conflict to go that far.
While McConnell said that there’s unquestionably a “dispute” between Pelosi and the CIA, he said he’d prefer to see the disagreement settled by the House and Senate intelligence committees and not through a broader truth commission investigation — one that would focus on the action of Bush administration officials as well.

when i was watching meet the press all michael steele did was accuse nancy pelosi of lying, now she wants a FULL investigation to prove she wasn't, the republicians want no part of that, they want their part in torturing,forgotten

#233   2009/05/18 12:46PM
Re: Democratic no bash part 2
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Quote cats meow: Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va.) tried to push back against the Pelosi attacks on ABC’s “This Week,” telling host George Stephanopoulos that the dust-up was not a big deal.

“I think this will resolve itself,” he said. “I don’t think it’s that big a deal.”

Webb went on to accuse Republicans of pushing the story in order to avoid the “issues of accountability in terms of the last administration.”

Pelosi has called on the CIA to release documents showing what she was told by the agency, even suggesting that she would be open to an examination of her own claim as part of a so-called truth commission investigation.

But Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said he does not want the conflict to go that far.
While McConnell said that there’s unquestionably a “dispute” between Pelosi and the CIA, he said he’d prefer to see the disagreement settled by the House and Senate intelligence committees and not through a broader truth commission investigation — one that would focus on the action of Bush administration officials as well.

when i was watching meet the press all michael steele did was accuse nancy pelosi of lying, now she wants a FULL investigation to prove she wasn't, the republicians want no part of that, they want their part in torturing,forgotten

BRAVA!BRAVA!BRAVA! I missed Meet The Press this week. At my house we often get into heated discussions(my hubbie is a repub. but pro-choic/for gay marriage). On the run-up to the war, I remember watching Colin Powell speaking and telling my husband that there was no evidence that Iraq and Al Qaeda collaborated on the 9/11 hijackings and destructions of the Twin Towers and Pentagon buildings and death of thousands of our citizens. Now we get a (I believe) New York Times article saying tha the Bush administration tried to use "enhansed techniques"(read torture/waterboarding) to "prove" the link bt. the 2 and further their reasons for the invasion of Iraq. In the 1970's the U.S. supplied the Iraquis with weapons in their war against Iran. Our government helped "arm" the very iraquis who we purport to liberate/occupy. In the 1980's the U.S. in it's quest to win at any cost against the Soviet Union helped to "arm" the mujahideen(the Muslim guerilla fighters who later became the Taliban). After 10 long years of the U.S's intervention, the Russians pulled out and the U.S. did so also. When the U.S. withdrew their support there were "suddenly" tribal leaders with weapons and no war and a power vaccum was created. The Taliban moved in. What I will NEVER understand is why the U.S. under the Bush administration ever gerared up for war against Iraq in the first place. If they would have just geared up to get Osama Bin Laden while he was in Afganistan they could have gotten him before he slipped into Tora Bora in Pakistan. I'm sorry I am rambling..................

#234   2009/05/19 03:38PM
Re: Democratic no bash part 2
Phuquaad
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The Obama Administration takes the biggest step in America's history to cut green house gases, and all you get in the republican thread is misinformation! (Anyone surprised?) The $1300 increase will be over THE NEXT SEVEN YEARS!! A little over $185 per year, I don't think that is an enormous amount to pay for the return we will be getting! Here's the real truth!

www.democracynow.org/2009/5/19/headlines#2


President Obama is scheduled today to issue new national emissions and mileage requirements for cars and light trucks. The rules aim to cut emissions by 30 percent and require passenger cars to average thirty-nine miles per gallon and light trucks thirty mpg by 2016. The White House estimates the regulations would save 1.8 billion barrels of oil and reduce emissions of greenhouse gases by 900 million metric tons over the lifetime of the more efficient vehicles, equivalent to taking 177 million cars off the road or shutting down 194 coal-fired power plants. Daniel Becker of the Safe Climate Campaign praised Obama’s plan. He said, “This is the single biggest step the American government has ever taken to cut greenhouse-gas emissions.” The cost of new vehicles is expected to rise by at least $1,300 by 2016.

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#235   2009/05/19 04:27PM
Re: Democratic no bash part 2
cats meow
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Quote Phuquaad: The Obama Administration takes the biggest step in America's history to cut green house gases, and all you get in the republican thread is misinformation! (Anyone surprised?) The $1300 increase will be over THE NEXT SEVEN YEARS!! A little over $185 per year, I don't think that is an enormous amount to pay for the return we will be getting! Here's the real truth!

www.democracynow.org/2009/5/19/headlines#




President Obama is scheduled today to issue new national emissions and mileage requirements for cars and light trucks. The rules aim to cut emissions by 30 percent and require passenger cars to average thirty-nine miles per gallon and light trucks thirty mpg by 2016. The White House estimates the regulations would save 1.8 billion barrels of oil and reduce emissions of greenhouse gases by 900 million metric tons over the lifetime of the more efficient vehicles, equivalent to taking 177 million cars off the road or shutting down 194 coal-fired power plants. Daniel Becker of the Safe Climate Campaign praised Obama’s plan. He said, “This is the single biggest step the American government has ever taken to cut greenhouse-gas emissions.” The cost of new vehicles is expected to rise by at least $1,300 by 2016.


i read that too, they really distort the facts

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