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Started by Kathryn (Admin) at 2008/09/08 07:08AM
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#31   2008/09/12 08:14AM
Re: Republican No Bash Thread
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Quote alwaysEJ:
Quote raving:
Quote alwaysEJ: I believe what Palin has said regarding creationism is that there is no reason students can't also discuss this along with the Theory of Evolution that is crammed down their throats.

I understand why liberals don't want creationism taught in school. If you were told you descended from an ape (who descended from some sort of ameba) OR that you were created by a powerful & loving God who created you in His image, which would be more appealing? Liberals love choice when it comes to killing babies, but not so much when it comes to offering students an alternate theory of how they came to be.

It is much harder to not believe in God than it is to accept that there are things we cannot explain & cannot replicate, & that is b/c they are from the hand of God. You are practicing some serious self deception when you convince yourself that the the universe, the earth which rotates perfectly on its axis, the sun, the moon, the stars, and the human body - which is as complex as the universe - are the result of anything other than the hand of God.
EJ I would consider myself pretty liberal...I want choices about many things...sorry but the killing babies comment...unfair...secondly Creationism is taught in school...it's called sunday school, where every person who believes in God (including myself) can take their children to learn and be taught another option.



Won't children be confused when they say the pledge...the "one nation under God" part, & yet are told they came from an ape? Or look at a dollar bill that reads "In God we trust"? The public education system should not be a tool for pushing a political agenda...let students hear every theory about how they came into existence.

And yes when a baby is aborted, it dies, so I don't see any other way to phrase that than giving women the right to kill their babies.

No I do not think children will be confused, when saying the Pledge...or singing God Bless America (yah they do that too) That is what Church is for. Church is a place for you to go and worship...your God and Your beliefes. Schools are not spending a huge amount of time on teaching evolution....at this point and time most public schools are teaching to a standardized test that children take nation wide. Science is not even on the test until the High School years....so for our elementary students,( who are probably the easiest to mold) that is not on the test...so not taught as much as you probably think. My children are not confused by the Pledge or the other songs they sing with the mention of God....they are not even making the connection between Evolution and Creationism. And they have yet to ask me why it says, "in God we trust" on money.
I am also Pro-choice, I have always hated that distinction...you say Pro-life, as if the rest of us that want it to be your choice are anti-life, I am anything but anti-life. Yes, I want us all to have choices in life...and one day who knows...one of you may be thanking us for that right, I hope not, but it could happen!

#32   2008/09/12 09:09AM
Re: Republican No Bash Thread
alwaysEJ
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Quote raving:
Quote alwaysEJ:
Quote raving:
Quote alwaysEJ: I believe what Palin has said regarding creationism is that there is no reason students can't also discuss this along with the Theory of Evolution that is crammed down their throats.

I understand why liberals don't want creationism taught in school. If you were told you descended from an ape (who descended from some sort of ameba) OR that you were created by a powerful & loving God who created you in His image, which would be more appealing? Liberals love choice when it comes to killing babies, but not so much when it comes to offering students an alternate theory of how they came to be.

It is much harder to not believe in God than it is to accept that there are things we cannot explain & cannot replicate, & that is b/c they are from the hand of God. You are practicing some serious self deception when you convince yourself that the the universe, the earth which rotates perfectly on its axis, the sun, the moon, the stars, and the human body - which is as complex as the universe - are the result of anything other than the hand of God.
EJ I would consider myself pretty liberal...I want choices about many things...sorry but the killing babies comment...unfair...secondly Creationism is taught in school...it's called sunday school, where every person who believes in God (including myself) can take their children to learn and be taught another option.



Won't children be confused when they say the pledge...the "one nation under God" part, & yet are told they came from an ape? Or look at a dollar bill that reads "In God we trust"? The public education system should not be a tool for pushing a political agenda...let students hear every theory about how they came into existence.

And yes when a baby is aborted, it dies, so I don't see any other way to phrase that than giving women the right to kill their babies.

No I do not think children will be confused, when saying the Pledge...or singing God Bless America (yah they do that too) That is what Church is for. Church is a place for you to go and worship...your God and Your beliefes. Schools are not spending a huge amount of time on teaching evolution....at this point and time most public schools are teaching to a standardized test that children take nation wide. Science is not even on the test until the High School years....so for our elementary students,( who are probably the easiest to mold) that is not on the test...so not taught as much as you probably think. My children are not confused by the Pledge or the other songs they sing with the mention of God....they are not even making the connection between Evolution and Creationism. And they have yet to ask me why it says, "in God we trust" on money.
I am also Pro-choice, I have always hated that distinction...you say Pro-life, as if the rest of us that want it to be your choice are anti-life, I am anything but anti-life. Yes, I want us all to have choices in life...and one day who knows...one of you may be thanking us for that right, I hope not, but it could happen!



No, it would never happen. I have no right to take my unborn child's life & I know that to be true regardless of what the government says. If I took my child's life, I might as well take my own as well b/c I would not be able live with myself.

What about the 40 million babies who have been aborted since Roe? I wonder who they would thank. Their mothers? The abortion doctors? Oh well...no need to worry or wonder b/c they are not around to voice their thanks anyway.

#33   2008/09/12 10:41AM
Re: Republican No Bash Thread
raving
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Quote alwaysEJ:
Quote raving:
Quote alwaysEJ:
Quote raving:
Quote alwaysEJ: I believe what Palin has said regarding creationism is that there is no reason students can't also discuss this along with the Theory of Evolution that is crammed down their throats.

I understand why liberals don't want creationism taught in school. If you were told you descended from an ape (who descended from some sort of ameba) OR that you were created by a powerful & loving God who created you in His image, which would be more appealing? Liberals love choice when it comes to killing babies, but not so much when it comes to offering students an alternate theory of how they came to be.

It is much harder to not believe in God than it is to accept that there are things we cannot explain & cannot replicate, & that is b/c they are from the hand of God. You are practicing some serious self deception when you convince yourself that the the universe, the earth which rotates perfectly on its axis, the sun, the moon, the stars, and the human body - which is as complex as the universe - are the result of anything other than the hand of God.
EJ I would consider myself pretty liberal...I want choices about many things...sorry but the killing babies comment...unfair...secondly Creationism is taught in school...it's called sunday school, where every person who believes in God (including myself) can take their children to learn and be taught another option.



Won't children be confused when they say the pledge...the "one nation under God" part, & yet are told they came from an ape? Or look at a dollar bill that reads "In God we trust"? The public education system should not be a tool for pushing a political agenda...let students hear every theory about how they came into existence.

And yes when a baby is aborted, it dies, so I don't see any other way to phrase that than giving women the right to kill their babies.

No I do not think children will be confused, when saying the Pledge...or singing God Bless America (yah they do that too) That is what Church is for. Church is a place for you to go and worship...your God and Your beliefes. Schools are not spending a huge amount of time on teaching evolution....at this point and time most public schools are teaching to a standardized test that children take nation wide. Science is not even on the test until the High School years....so for our elementary students,( who are probably the easiest to mold) that is not on the test...so not taught as much as you probably think. My children are not confused by the Pledge or the other songs they sing with the mention of God....they are not even making the connection between Evolution and Creationism. And they have yet to ask me why it says, "in God we trust" on money.
I am also Pro-choice, I have always hated that distinction...you say Pro-life, as if the rest of us that want it to be your choice are anti-life, I am anything but anti-life. Yes, I want us all to have choices in life...and one day who knows...one of you may be thanking us for that right, I hope not, but it could happen!



No, it would never happen. I have no right to take my unborn child's life & I know that to be true regardless of what the government says. If I took my child's life, I might as well take my own as well b/c I would not be able live with myself.

What about the 40 million babies who have been aborted since Roe? I wonder who they would thank. Their mothers? The abortion doctors? Oh well...no need to worry or wonder b/c they are not around to voice their thanks anyway.

I actually respect your position on this...I think it's great that you have made that choice for yourself. )I really do) All I am saying is that abortions are not always done by the irresposible, or by people that think this is an accepted form of birth control. And by people one day thanking those of us that helped them keep their right to choose....I am talking about worse case senarios, ie a 12 year old raped by her father or brother.There are other instances where women might like to have that option. But of course it's each individual's choice .

#34   2008/09/12 12:37PM
Re: Republican No Bash Thread
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Evolution is based on scientific fact, and it is something I have studied to great extent. Evolution exists, and all life is constantly evolving.

Creationism should not in any way be taught in public schools, it is biased and the view of only one religious group. Further, it is not something that any college touches upon in biological sciences so it would essentially be wasted education. Evolution is not taught in public schools as a political agenda, but rather as the the most recent scientific information available that ALL college-bound students will have to learn about. It is an extremely broad and difficult subject, and it would not be fair to our students to deprive them of being exposed to it until college. Public education is for the purpose of giving students the tools to progress to higher education.

I am very religious, and I believe in God but when my son is old enough to learn religious beliefs it will be from myself and our church. As it should be, we already practically force the public school system to parent our kids for us. I prefer to not add religious fulfillment to that list.

#35   2008/09/12 01:53PM
Re: Republican No Bash Thread
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Just asking here.....Don't jump on me....not bashing....

If public schools start teaching creationism in addition to big bang, shouldn't then, all forms of creation then be taught?

#36   2008/09/12 03:39PM
Re: Republican No Bash Thread
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Quote PlainTruth: Just asking here.....Don't jump on me....not bashing....

If public schools start teaching creationism in addition to big bang, shouldn't then, all forms of creation then be taught?


yes, exactly why it is impractical to try and teach it. Aside from that, it is not even remotely based on facts. I am religious, but they are beliefs & faiths that are inherently unproven. And exactly what would the educational benefit be to teaching creation theories anyway? I can't see any, parents need to instill morals and beliefs into children, not the school system. And really, when the children inevitably ask the teacher which one she believes most, how do they separate her personal opinion from the actual material?

#37   2008/09/12 03:51PM
Re: Republican No Bash Thread
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Quote raving:
Quote alwaysEJ:
Quote raving:
Quote alwaysEJ:
Quote raving:
Quote alwaysEJ: I believe what Palin has said regarding creationism is that there is no reason students can't also discuss this along with the Theory of Evolution that is crammed down their throats.

I understand why liberals don't want creationism taught in school. If you were told you descended from an ape (who descended from some sort of ameba) OR that you were created by a powerful & loving God who created you in His image, which would be more appealing? Liberals love choice when it comes to killing babies, but not so much when it comes to offering students an alternate theory of how they came to be.

It is much harder to not believe in God than it is to accept that there are things we cannot explain & cannot replicate, & that is b/c they are from the hand of God. You are practicing some serious self deception when you convince yourself that the the universe, the earth which rotates perfectly on its axis, the sun, the moon, the stars, and the human body - which is as complex as the universe - are the result of anything other than the hand of God.
EJ I would consider myself pretty liberal...I want choices about many things...sorry but the killing babies comment...unfair...secondly Creationism is taught in school...it's called sunday school, where every person who believes in God (including myself) can take their children to learn and be taught another option.



Won't children be confused when they say the pledge...the "one nation under God" part, & yet are told they came from an ape? Or look at a dollar bill that reads "In God we trust"? The public education system should not be a tool for pushing a political agenda...let students hear every theory about how they came into existence.

And yes when a baby is aborted, it dies, so I don't see any other way to phrase that than giving women the right to kill their babies.

No I do not think children will be confused, when saying the Pledge...or singing God Bless America (yah they do that too) That is what Church is for. Church is a place for you to go and worship...your God and Your beliefes. Schools are not spending a huge amount of time on teaching evolution....at this point and time most public schools are teaching to a standardized test that children take nation wide. Science is not even on the test until the High School years....so for our elementary students,( who are probably the easiest to mold) that is not on the test...so not taught as much as you probably think. My children are not confused by the Pledge or the other songs they sing with the mention of God....they are not even making the connection between Evolution and Creationism. And they have yet to ask me why it says, "in God we trust" on money.
I am also Pro-choice, I have always hated that distinction...you say Pro-life, as if the rest of us that want it to be your choice are anti-life, I am anything but anti-life. Yes, I want us all to have choices in life...and one day who knows...one of you may be thanking us for that right, I hope not, but it could happen!



No, it would never happen. I have no right to take my unborn child's life & I know that to be true regardless of what the government says. If I took my child's life, I might as well take my own as well b/c I would not be able live with myself.

What about the 40 million babies who have been aborted since Roe? I wonder who they would thank. Their mothers? The abortion doctors? Oh well...no need to worry or wonder b/c they are not around to voice their thanks anyway.

I actually respect your position on this...I think it's great that you have made that choice for yourself. )I really do) All I am saying is that abortions are not always done by the irresposible, or by people that think this is an accepted form of birth control. And by people one day thanking those of us that helped them keep their right to choose....I am talking about worse case senarios, ie a 12 year old raped by her father or brother.There are other instances where women might like to have that option. But of course it's each individual's choice .


yes this is what i believe and realize everyone is different and respect the choice they make for themselves. i personally know of 2 women that went through abortion. one feels a bit remorseful but in the end feels it was for the best and the other knows it was the best choice for her as she would have been living off the system and struggling. i did wonder why she did not choose adoption but in the end this was her choice. we can not claim to know how others feel or to know what their situation is or even what their motives are. pro choice is not pro abortion..it's just that....pro choice. if abortion were outlawed, there would be a way it would go on. a much more savage way and i'm sure no one would abide by waiting until a certain time period anymore either b/c they are doing it illegally anyway. the idea of this scares me much more.

#38   2008/09/12 04:23PM
Re: Republican No Bash Thread
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Quote ChaoticAmb: Evolution is based on scientific fact, and it is something I have studied to great extent. Evolution exists, and all life is constantly evolving.

Creationism should not in any way be taught in public schools, it is biased and the view of only one religious group. Further, it is not something that any college touches upon in biological sciences so it would essentially be wasted education. Evolution is not taught in public schools as a political agenda, but rather as the the most recent scientific information available that ALL college-bound students will have to learn about. It is an extremely broad and difficult subject, and it would not be fair to our students to deprive them of being exposed to it until college. Public education is for the purpose of giving students the tools to progress to higher education.

I am very religious, and I believe in God but when my son is old enough to learn religious beliefs it will be from myself and our church. As it should be, we already practically force the public school system to parent our kids for us. I prefer to not add religious fulfillment to that list.


I checked back in this thread because I had responded to someone yesterday who was asking why are people afraid of teaching creationism in schools, but I see now that there really is no need for me to respond. Great post, I think you said it all!

#39   2008/09/12 07:32PM
Re: Republican No Bash Thread
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OK why is a news anchorman..who is supposed to be a journalist and to report the news ... so in Obama's pocket..this isn't an interview this is a lynching. He's not reporting or interviewing he is working for Obama!!

She is handeling herself just fine and he is looking like an arse!! This is no way a puff interview he is attacking her and she is looking better and better to me!

It's not over yet so I just keep watching Sarah shine!!

#40   2008/09/15 07:02AM
Re: Republican No Bash Thread
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Sean Hannity will air his interview with Palin tomorrow night on Hannity & Colmes.

I believe Palin will also be on his radio show, which airs 3-6 Eastern time.

I am posting this to inform people who may want to listen/watch, so please since this is a "No bash" thread don't respond with your comments about Palin or Hannity. If you don't like them, you don't have to watch/listen, but please don't go on & on about it here.

EDITING to say that I believe the interview will air Wednesday & Thursday nights on Hannity & Colmes.

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#41   2008/09/15 06:56PM
Re: Republican No Bash Thread
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For anyone who has a question about late-term abortions..I strongly suggest you see this:

www.godandscience.org/doctrine/jessen.html

#42   2008/09/16 04:25AM
Re: Republican No Bash Thread
PlainTruth
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Quote alwaysEJ: Sean Hannity will air his interview with Palin tomorrow night on Hannity & Colmes.

I believe Palin will also be on his radio show, which airs 3-6 Eastern time.

I am posting this to inform people who may want to listen/watch, so please since this is a "No bash" thread don't respond with your comments about Palin or Hannity. If you don't like them, you don't have to watch/listen, but please don't go on & on about it here.



Just wanted to say that I know I have asked a question (perhaps 2) in here and wanted to make it clear that I was not bashing. If it was taken that way I sincerely apologize. I know that irritates me in the Dem thread. I was just asking a question.

I just wanted to apologize if I had offended anyone.

#43   2008/09/16 07:25AM
Re: Republican No Bash Thread
alwaysEJ
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Quote PlainTruth:
Quote alwaysEJ: Sean Hannity will air his interview with Palin tomorrow night on Hannity & Colmes.

I believe Palin will also be on his radio show, which airs 3-6 Eastern time.

I am posting this to inform people who may want to listen/watch, so please since this is a "No bash" thread don't respond with your comments about Palin or Hannity. If you don't like them, you don't have to watch/listen, but please don't go on & on about it here.



Just wanted to say that I know I have asked a question (perhaps 2) in here and wanted to make it clear that I was not bashing. If it was taken that way I sincerely apologize. I know that irritates me in the Dem thread. I was just asking a question.

I just wanted to apologize if I had offended anyone.


No this thread has stayed pretty friendly I enjoy your input.

#44   2008/09/18 07:42AM
Re: Republican No Bash Thread
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Iam glad they have this thread here since we cant talk politic at Message Board,I watch Hannity interview with Palin last night at Fox,thats the only channel I watch for politic beside C-SPAN anyway,never watch MSNBC ,I very rarely watch CNN except for Glen Beck

#45   2008/09/18 07:55AM
Re: Republican No Bash Thread
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Quote MAURITIUS: Iam glad they have this thread here since we cant talk politic at Message Board,I watch Hannity interview with Palin last night at Fox,thats the only channel I watch for politic beside C-SPAN anyway,never watch MSNBC ,I very rarely watch CNN except for Glen Beck


i didn't see it, how was she? i usually watch all three

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