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I have to say that I do not think McCain is too old.I do think Obama has no experience when it comes to keeping this country safe.I have 3 kids and I want the best person in office that will best protect them. Also may I ask who did Bush kill and what was the personal gain.How has Bush not protected this country?Did I miss another attack? What do you mean what the rich did to our country?You could also say look at what most of the dishonest lazy welfare people did to this country,look at what all the illegal immigrants did to this country.Look at what most of the Senators and political figures are are doing to this country.The Dems. and Rep. that are making all the decisions for our country and us do you really think they get it? Do you think they have any of the worries that we do? Heck no. They nor there kids or grandkids will ever know what its like to have real everyday working people problems.You know everyone will see things based there own views. I know you cant argue politics or religion with people because we are set with our own beliefs.Those are just a tiny portion of my OPINIONS

I don't think for a minute that women in their 20's should have their tubes tied (unless they are certain they never wany any children, but I don't think women in their 20's know this for sure like others have said). Currently many women elect to have this procedure done, & I think that this is a responsible step to take if a woman is certain she wants no children OR no more children. I was only saying that perhaps government funds could be used to pay for this procedure for women who want it done but cannot afford it...I have no idea if insurance covers this procedure, but many women have no insurance so I say why not help them make sure they never have to decide what to do about an unwanted pregnancy IF they want to be sterilized.

This paragraph confuses me. In an earlier post, as in this one, you advocate sterilization for women who choose not to have children or have any more children. Then in this post you state that women in their 20's should never have their tubes tied. Then you agree with me and say that women in their 20's are too young to make a life decision like that. OK. But most children are born to women who have children in their 20's. Yes, children are born to women in their 30's and even 40's. But one can always change their mind. Like my friend I mentioned earlier. She just decided at the age of 37 that she is reconsidering her decision to not have children. Sterilization is an extreme process. It is not a quick little procedure. Sometimes it can be reversed, but again, that is not a quickie procedure either. Seems like a pretty severe answer to a question. What about religions such as catholicism which do not allow women (or men) to use contraceptives? Granted, these women would not be getting an abortion (most likely) but why have them sterilzied? And as far as using government funds to get the procedure, that makes me laugh. The insurance companies will pay for a vasectomy, but they won't even dole out money for a woman to be on the pill.

As far as Reagan goes, that man made my life hell growing up. My mother lost her job under his reign. We were on state aid, but my mother couldn't get a job because the state took the money that she made working out of her monthly allotment(fine, I totally get that) AND the amount of food stamps that we recieved. So, it was like she was punished for being on state aid. She eventually got another job, and got off aid, but I tell you...if we were in line and had a steak in our grocery cart and someone saw us pay with food stamps, we were outwardly confronted. You can't even eat food you want with food stamps. And forget it if you had name brand food in your cart! That was breaking a cardinal sin of food stamps useage.

Margo makes an excellent point in discussing the AIDS epidemic under Reagan's reign. He felt as though people who contracted HIV and then had it progress into AIDS deserved it. My former office mate in graduate school actually did her thesis on Reagan and his response to AIDS. She asserted, then proved her point, that Reagan actually was completely responsible for AIDS. Of course, anyone can manipulate facts to get them to say what they want. Do I believe the government is capable of inventing a disease so that it can eliminate a segment of the population....you betcha. Just look at the government injecting syphilis into black people. Our government is capable of anything. But, back to AIDS...once, the epidemic got out of control Reagan, through his rhetoric, made it clear that there were "innocent victims" of AIDS. I am sure we have all heard about Ryan, the child who contracted AIDS. I believe this is when the "Innocent Victims" came into play. My contention is that everyone who has this disease is innocent. No one deserves this disease. If you have ever known or loved a person with this disease, you know how heartbreaking it is to watch them die. Also during this time, through Reagan's rhetoric, he made it "normal" for the population to discriminate against these victims of AIDS. There was no effort to counter any misconceptions on how the disease was contracted. People were shunned and treated so inhumanely. A good movie to watch is "And the Band Played ON" It will truely enlighten anyone, and break your heart at the same time.

To answer your question to me regarding rapists being castrated(I can't remember if that is your word or not) Absofreakinlutely. Rapists and pedophiles, castrate them. I know that rape is not about sex, it is about power, but still, rape is a heinous crime (as is child molestation) I am not a very forgiving person with these two subjects. I don't think that they should be sterilized out of the gate, I believe they have to commit the crime before that takes place.

In terms of the death penalty, I am opposed. One of the main reasons is that it is inhumane...and not a solution. Proponents claim that putting criminals to death eases the financial burden on the state that houses them. But seriously, after waiting for appeal after appeal after appeal, executions do not take place until decades after the crime was committed. How much money did the state spend to keep going to court and then to execute someone? I say it is actually cheaper to give them life than to kill them.

Now, back to abortion. If it is reversed in legality, and a woman can be charged and sentanced to prison for an abortion, or neglecting the fetus, what is that going to do to our prison overcrowding issue? Where are we going to house them all?

And to clear up a point that I think is still unaddressed....the government does not pay for any abortions any longer. If people choose that option, then they pay for it.

The Berlin Wall had nothing to do with immigrants...it had everything to do with communism. I am quite certain that wall would not have fallen in 1989 had Walter Mondale been elected president in 1984, but just about every American saw to it that Mondale was sent home to Minnesota, which I believe is the only state he won. Seriously, he won one state. I guess Reagan just got lucky there, kind of like
he got lucky when the Soviet Empire fell apart & the Berlin Wall fell...that Reagan, what a lucky guy.

I haven't had time to read all the posts. I'm tired of being told that b/c I was young during the Reagan years, I have no idea what went on...again, I CAN READ. Much more is known NOW about Reagan & his impact than was known while he was in office anyway...this is true of any president.

I am not going to continue wasting my time trying to discuss things w/people who begin each sentence with clever rhetoric such as Bush lied, kids died. I do not agree with everything Bush has done, in fact I have many issues with Bush, but I think he has done a better job than Gore or Kerry would've done and I know for a fact that Reagan did a better job than Jimmy Carter or Walter Mondale would've done, & you know what? Almost every person in America who was eligible to vote in 1980 & 1984 thought so too.

I think the world is a better place with Saddam Hussein dead. Those of you who are crazy about 'women's rights...,' well you can bet if John Kerry was president Saddam would be alive & well, & continuing to trample women's rights via his rape rooms & random executions of women. I think that history will look kindly on George W. Bush when all is said & done b/c I believe democracy is taking hold in Iraq, & while the Middle East still has many issues, a strong democracy in that area of the world that can stand alongside Isreal holds great promise. Much like the Soviet Empire being toppled has had ripple effects throughout the world.

I really have no inclination to return here to discuss anything since you dismiss my answers even before I give them. If you think my thoughts on Reagan don't matter b/c I was young while he was in office, then why ask for them?

I almost hope Obama wins b/c I think it will ensure a conservative will rise to the occasion in 2012, much like Reagan did after Carter's debacle of a presidency.


I will end with this quote from Peggy Noonan's most recent column, which addresses an earlier topic, abortion:

As to the question when human life begins, the answer to which is above Mr. Obama's pay grade, oh, let's go on a little tear. You know why they call it birth control? Because it's meant to stop a birth from happening nine months later. We know when life begins. Everyone who ever bought a pack of condoms knows when life begins.
To put it another way, with conception something begins. What do you think it is? A car? A 1948 Buick?

-Peggy Noonan

Peggy Noonan???? First Rush Limbaugh, now the second biggest liar, Peggy Noonan!!!!!??????????
Okay since you never said how Regan ended the cold war, ans seem to be saying that you are not going to because someone might debate you, I'll give my thoughts on the end of the Soviet Union in December 1991.
When an entire political system collapes it is due to a series of internal events that had nothing to do with Regan trying to develop his Star Wars BS, or anything he said. The Soviets had scientist's, they knew how expensive and fool hardy that little idea was,it had more to do with the Soviet reaction to what happened in Poland, and the fact that so many more Soviet citizens were better educated. I will turn now to what I believe any logical person would call an independent source on the matter, the BBC.
Here's the link, have to warn you all it's long, but it is worth reading:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/coldwar/soviet_end_01.shtml

Sorry everyone my computer went on the blink a moment. here's the article:

Sorry....Edited by PlotTwister for copywrite issues. You can't cut and paste from another website. You can put it in your own words and give the link.

hey guys thought you might find this article interesting.


wais.stanford.edu/History/history_ussrandreagan.htm



i guess everyone has their own opinion..

Edited by PlotTwister for copywrite violation. We are not allowed to cut and paste from other websites. We can put it in our own words and cite our source. Sorry.

EJ - I have never said anything about your age. I have not been disrespectful at all to you.

As far as the berlin wall goes, that was to make a point that a wall is a wall. Do we really want to go there? Isn't that like going backwards?

There are a lot of people out there that think Reagan was the best thing since sliced bread. My experience was completely different. I would have loved fresh sliced bread instead of unbranded day old bread growing up. Plus, I grew up in Flint Michigan. I watched General Motors turn that town into a ghost town. Alot of what happened in Flint had alot to do with the Reagan adminstration. Big corporations living high on the hog, then having to face reality that money does not grow on trees.


I understand that you can read. I am not insulting you, I am sharing my experiences with you. Why does that make me a target of your hostility? If you didn't mean to include some people, then please state so. I didn't read anything as pithy as "Bush lied, kids died" (although I did read a bumper sticker that read "no one died when Clinton lied lol). Bush did lie. He has had members of his own cabinet come out and say what happened. Bush wanted to blame Iraq before he really knew who was behind it. He was looking for a reason to go into Iraq.

As far as Hussain is concerned. I totally agree...he was a bad man. But we don't kill bad men. And that analogy is flawed in my opinion because there is a genocide going on right now in Darfur. If we really cared about bad men, we would be there doing something about it. And wouldn't it be nice if we could actually feed all of our citizens? Wouldn't it be nice if we could provide jobs for everyone in our own country? I understand that we provide foriegn aid to less developed countries, but come on, America is turning into a third world country. Ever been downtown detroit at night? And I aint talkin about the theatre district or ball park area. I only mention Detroit because it consistently is in the top 3 for the murder capital of the states. Homelessness is prevelant in every state. Hunger is prevelant in every state. Uninsured people are in every state. Shouldn't we pay attention to our own backyard before we go off and fix someone else's front yard? Jobs are leaving faster than you can say "made in china". My point in all of this is simple. We stick our noses anywhere we want to and don't pay attention to what is going on here. We are only as strong as our weakest link, and right now, my friend, that scares the hell outta me.


But, I digress, back to Hussain. Rape rooms and all, he was evil. But what were we told as a country for the reason that we were going to war with Iraq? Were we told that it was because he was a bad man? Kadafi was a bad man, did we kill him? Hell, we put Hussain in power! Shouldn't we accept a bit of responsibility? LOL Reagan put him in control I believe. Not sure, I don't read that much

Bush has even the core of his party angry with him. He has made disasterous decisions. Maybe someday someone will read about him in the history books and proclaim him great, but right now, I don't think so. And who appointed us the morality police? If it were really about morality and democracy, we would get involved other places....like I said, Darfur, anywhere in S. Africa.

I have not dismissed your arguments. I have tried to anticipate some...didn't think that was a terrible thing.

In terms of McCain vs Obama....I don't like any choice. McCain has changed his mind so many times....flip flop? At first he was totally opposed to Bush's policies. He sat theere and took it when he was opposing Bush letting him attack his war record and shove him around and look like a nancy boy. Now they are BFF's???? He runs ads saying that he is a maverick. He used to be. He ain't no more.

Obama, he could be a great thing, or a dismal failure. It is a crap shoot at this point. I have already stated why I don't like him. I feel slighted. It ticks me off.

Hey I found another one from a org site.
www.heritage.org/Research/WorldwideFreedom/hl1011.cfm

Peggy Noonan speech writer for Ronald Regan, and BushI, and now member of the facist Manhattan Institute, here are two quotes from Peggy on her beloved Regan:

I first saw President Reagan as a foot, highly polished brown cordovan wagging merrily on a hassock. I spied it through the door. It was a beautiful foot, sleek. Such casual elegance and clean lines! But not a big foot, not formidable, maybe a little ...frail. I imagined cradling it in my arms, protecting it from unsmooth roads.

The battle for the mind of Ronald Reagan was like the trench warfare of World War I: never have so many fought so hard for such barren terrain.

Plot - You seem truly open minded & you have not insulted my age at all. I am frustrated, clearly, b/c anytime I mention a name - of a President or anyone else - I am told Oh that person is a liar. It gets old. The quote from Peggy Noonan is her opinion...she is trying to make a point, but I don't see how her opinion can be a lie.

The thing is, I think Bush believed every word he said when he told the American people, & the world, that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. I think Saddam should've been considered a weapon of mass destruction himself. Colin Powell, not a conservative by any stretch, went to the U.N. with the intelligence that there were weapons & I think he believed they existed, as did numerous other nations who joined us in Iraq. Honestly, I think it is possible that the weapons existed & have been moved. It is not often that intelligence is that wrong.

Maybe the intelligence was wrong & there never were weapons. I just hate the implication that Bush was looking for an excuse to go into Iraq. I think he agonized over decisions like this & I do not think he is cruel & would send American troops into battle, knowing many would lose their lives, over oil. The Senate, including many Democrats, authorized Bush to go into Iraq, & they all had access the same intelligence reports Bush did. I have many, many issues with Bush & some of his decisions, but I don't think he is an evil man or that he misled the American people on purpose or that he would be able to sleep at night knowing he sent young Americans into battle over oil. If we wanted their oil, we would not be trying to train an Iraqi army so that they can take over security measures for their country & we can get out of there.

Plot, again I say, I probably have as many issues as you do with Bush - but I don't think he is evil or takes any joy in dead American troops. I think he thought he was doing what was best for America, & for Iraq & the Middle East. I hate this picture of him as an oil-hungry monster who doesn't give a second thought to the sacrifice American troops have made. It is an inaccurate picture & after serving this country for eight years as president, during the worst terrorist attack we have ever seen on American soil, the man deserves better. I think he will get better when history judges him.

Plot - I enjoy your debate, I really do. And I agree with you that it looks to be a crap shoot this November, either way you go. McCain is unpredictable, & Obama hasn't been around long enough to really know what he'll do either. I actually started posting about Days b/c I was so sick of the current political situation...& here I sit, still talking politics.

JTsahottie - thanks for that article. As time passes, more & more people are starting to see that Reagan was pretty smart & knew exactly what he was doing. Even PhD's who would rather not admit Reagan was a genius are starting to come out of their liberal closets to give the man the credit he deserves.