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The 2008 Presidential Election

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#151   2008/08/23 06:41PM
Re: The 2008 Presidential Election
margolovestom
margolovestom

Quote alwaysEJ:
Quote margolovestom:
Quote alwaysEJ: Margo - I am walking out the door to meet friends so I may have more time later to say more on all of this, however I will say that it is not the responsibilty of any U.S. president to save gay men, or anyone else who contracts STDs or HIV, from themselves. Ronald Reagan infected no one with HIV & I don't see how anyone's death from AIDS can be blamed on him or his administration. I had a cousin who died from a drug overdose while Clinton was president, but it never occurred to me that it might be Clinton's fault b/c he didn't spend more time talking about the dangers of drugs. It is not the governments job to save us from ourselves; it their job to protect us from foreign enemies & threats so that we remain free to live our lives as we please here at home. If we have risky sex, it is no one's fault but our own that we then have to deal w/the consequences.

Reagan was a great man who probably saved lives, both American & otherwise, by bringing about the demise of the Soviets & their stockpiles of nuclear weapons. As for the other issue mentioned, I haven't had time to read all of it yet so I'll respond later. I will say that if it weren't for Reagan, half of Germany & a great deal of Eastern Europe may still be under Communist rule, which I guarantee would mean many, many deaths.

I am not saying the man never made a mistake as our president, however I have no doubt that his intentions & his motives were always good.


Oh, EJ I was under no illusion that you would actually get it. You asked me for my reasons of calling Ronald Regan a mass murderer. I look at facts, and form my opinions through reason and logic. It is not that Ronald Regan went out and infected people with HIV, it is that he never funded any research to find a cure. He just let thousand die. Nope Clinton did not give the drugs to your cousin, but he funded programs for people to recover from addiction, it is sad your cousin did not get the opportunity to recover from his addiction, but many did thanks to mine and others tax dollars.
I would really like to hear how Regan brought about the "end of communism." I think I can guess, but I would like to read what you think so I can then post some more facts to dispute you with logic and reason.


I kindly say that I think I am done going back & forth with you. You begin your response with Oh, EJ I was under no illusion that you would actually get it.

I get it: you are one of a handful of people in this country who can't give Reagan credit for his numerous accomplishments & belive that instead of destroying the Soviets, we should've spent our money telling gay men they were giving one another HIV. Reagan also put Scalia on the bench, who, if ever given the chance, will overturn Roe, meaning millions of babies will have a shot at life...so even after his death, Reagan's good decisions continue to impact American lives. Most Democrats can admit that Reagan was a great man & a great president. Many weren't able to do it until after he died, but they still got the words out of their mouths that the man was a genius & there is no telling where our country would be today (not to mention Europe) had Reagan not served as president.

It doesn't bother me so much that you continue to insult me, but I won't waste my time going back & forth with someone who believes Reagan is a murderer b/c gay men were dying of AIDS while he was dismantling the Soviet Empire.


EJ you never answered how Regan accomplished the destruction of the evil empire. Please give some facts, but then you are a little short on those and very long on personal opinion.

#152   2008/08/23 06:54PM
Re: The 2008 Presidential Election
alwaysEJ
alwaysEJ

Anyone who can read knows that American foreign policy in the 1980's brought about the demise of the Soviets, & Reagan was largely responsible for that policy. Granted, gay men's sexual practices were not a large part of Reagan's policy, foreign or domestic, but then the Soviets weren't afraid of gay men...they were afraid of Reagan & his willingness to use the American military.

I do plenty of research at work & I'm not going to spend my Saturday night citing facts that won't change your opinion of Reagan anyway. Maybe later. Nothing I say will change Reagan's legacy, & neither will your derisive comments about him.

#153   2008/08/23 07:00PM
Re: The 2008 Presidential Election
JTsahottie
JTsahottie

I just wanted to jump in here and say I too believe the US and Europe have been better off since the 80's. I was only a toddler then, but from my mother we had a horrible economy in the late 70's and early 80's and we have prospered as a country since then. I thought Reagan made great strides to decreasing drugs in this country (don't get me wrong people still traffic, use and abuse, but we had a crack epidemic and crime up the wazoo.) This has significantly decreased. I don't know much about these central american countries but I found this link. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_Doctrine
And from reading it and your logic what I understand is that all presidents since Truman were fighting against the Soviet Unions goal of global domination and I think he was perfectly justified in providing aid to countries that didn't want to be ruled from communism and rebels who wanted to fight for a freerer society.

#154   2008/08/23 07:17PM
Re: The 2008 Presidential Election
margolovestom
margolovestom

Quote alwaysEJ: Anyone who can read knows that American foreign policy in the 1980's brought about the demise of the Soviets, & Reagan was largely responsible for that policy. Granted, gay men's sexual practices were not a large part of Reagan's policy, foreign or domestic, but then the Soviets weren't afraid of gay men...they were afraid of Reagan & his willingness to use the American military.

I do plenty of research at work & I'm not going to spend my Saturday night citing facts that won't change your opinion of Reagan anyway. Maybe later. Nothing I say will change Reagan's legacy, & neither will your derisive comments about him.


Sorry if I kept you from going out EJ. I have some research of my own, but I'll wait to see what facts you present first, but hey you have a supporter in someone who uses the user name JT is a hottie. Maybe you'll find other things in common as well.

#155   2008/08/23 07:24PM
Re: The 2008 Presidential Election
JTsahottie
JTsahottie

Quote margolovestom:
Quote alwaysEJ: Anyone who can read knows that American foreign policy in the 1980's brought about the demise of the Soviets, & Reagan was largely responsible for that policy. Granted, gay men's sexual practices were not a large part of Reagan's policy, foreign or domestic, but then the Soviets weren't afraid of gay men...they were afraid of Reagan & his willingness to use the American military.

I do plenty of research at work & I'm not going to spend my Saturday night citing facts that won't change your opinion of Reagan anyway. Maybe later. Nothing I say will change Reagan's legacy, & neither will your derisive comments about him.


Sorry if I kept you from going out EJ. I have some research of my own, but I'll wait to see what facts you present first, but hey you have a supporter in someone who uses the user name JT is a hottie. Maybe you'll find other things in common as well.


Actually we disagree more than you THINK we agree. LOL
I am conservative and proud of it. I take it you are not. That doesn't bother me Margo loves tom. I don't know what that name has to do with your intelligence, so I don't know why you ASSume that a character I like represents mine. I just now realize you are rude and CANNOT have a rational and civilized conversation, I guess that's why they say its best not to talk politics or religion because not everybody will always agree. JT'sahottie out.

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#156   2008/08/23 08:47PM
Re: The 2008 Presidential Election
cats meow
cats meow

[quote plot]... Just a question if anyone knows, do husbands still need to sign a consent form for a tubal ligation now? That seems so wrong.

i don't think so, i can remember being so mad, but those were different days, i took a lot of flack for my decision

#157   2008/08/23 10:10PM
Re: The 2008 Presidential Election
rei1
rei1

Quote cats meow: [quote plot]... Just a question if anyone knows, do husbands still need to sign a consent form for a tubal ligation now? That seems so wrong.

i don't think so, i can remember being so mad, but those were different days, i took a lot of flack for my decision


just a thought...If in a marriage the husband get's a vascetomy without the womens consent and she wanted to have children how would she feel..personally I don't think the Gov. should have a say in that decision..I feel that the married couple should agree mutually and if they don't then they shouldn't have married to begin with. Premarital counceling or precannna..however you want to call it is the best tool PRIOR to marriage..know your future spouce and there won't be a problem

#158   2008/08/23 10:41PM
Re: The 2008 Presidential Election
alwaysEJ
alwaysEJ

Quote JTsahottie:
Quote margolovestom:
Quote alwaysEJ: Anyone who can read knows that American foreign policy in the 1980's brought about the demise of the Soviets, & Reagan was largely responsible for that policy. Granted, gay men's sexual practices were not a large part of Reagan's policy, foreign or domestic, but then the Soviets weren't afraid of gay men...they were afraid of Reagan & his willingness to use the American military.

I do plenty of research at work & I'm not going to spend my Saturday night citing facts that won't change your opinion of Reagan anyway. Maybe later. Nothing I say will change Reagan's legacy, & neither will your derisive comments about him.


Sorry if I kept you from going out EJ. I have some research of my own, but I'll wait to see what facts you present first, but hey you have a supporter in someone who uses the user name JT is a hottie. Maybe you'll find other things in common as well.


Actually we disagree more than you THINK we agree. LOL
I am conservative and proud of it. I take it you are not. That doesn't bother me Margo loves tom. I don't know what that name has to do with your intelligence, so I don't know why you ASSume that a character I like represents mine. I just now realize you are rude and CANNOT have a rational and civilized conversation, I guess that's why they say its best not to talk politics or religion because not everybody will always agree. JT'sahottie out.



Margo, I'm not sure what you're implying by saying that perhaps JTsahottie & I have things in common other than our political views. Clearly we are both conservative, but the only soap I watch is Days & I believe the 'JT' she refers to is on another soap. JT & I both watch Days & disagree about issues on that show, but I would much rather someone agree w/me on political issues that are of much greater importance than fictional soap characters. I have learned that it is not worth it to argue over soap characters, & I am also learning that perhaps soaps.com is not the best place to discuss politics. I love the character of EJ DiMera on Days & that's where I got my name...but like JT said, he in no way represents me or my views on anything. I think he is attractive & adds a lot to the show & that's all. My politics are much more important to me than my soap or any character on my soap.

I have starting posting about Days on another site & have mainly been returning here to read this thread in the lounge, but I am losing interest.

#159   2008/08/24 05:59AM
Re: The 2008 Presidential Election
cats meow
cats meow

[quote rei1]... just a thought...If in a marriage the husband get's a vascetomy without the womens consent and she wanted to have children how would she feel..personally I don't think the Gov. should have a say in that decision..I feel that the married couple should agree mutually and if they don't then they shouldn't have married to begin with. Premarital counceling or precannna..however you want to call it is the best tool PRIOR to marriage..know your future spouce and there won't be a problem

i know it's off topic now, but i agree, it should be discussed and of course we did, i would hope all couples would, i am guessing it would be grounds for divorce if one or the other spouse had a procedures done w/o the other's knowledge, anyway i agree with EJ, we all feel so strongly about this topic i think i will just wait for the elections and go back to the Y&R threads, i want to thank you all for
all the information i have gleaned here, and remember VOTE

#160   2008/08/24 06:07AM
Re: The 2008 Presidential Election
margolovestom
margolovestom

Quote alwaysEJ:
Quote JTsahottie:
Quote margolovestom:
Quote alwaysEJ: Anyone who can read knows that American foreign policy in the 1980's brought about the demise of the Soviets, & Reagan was largely responsible for that policy. Granted, gay men's sexual practices were not a large part of Reagan's policy, foreign or domestic, but then the Soviets weren't afraid of gay men...they were afraid of Reagan & his willingness to use the American military.

I do plenty of research at work & I'm not going to spend my Saturday night citing facts that won't change your opinion of Reagan anyway. Maybe later. Nothing I say will change Reagan's legacy, & neither will your derisive comments about him.


Sorry if I kept you from going out EJ. I have some research of my own, but I'll wait to see what facts you present first, but hey you have a supporter in someone who uses the user name JT is a hottie. Maybe you'll find other things in common as well.


Actually we disagree more than you THINK we agree. LOL
I am conservative and proud of it. I take it you are not. That doesn't bother me Margo loves tom. I don't know what that name has to do with your intelligence, so I don't know why you ASSume that a character I like represents mine. I just now realize you are rude and CANNOT have a rational and civilized conversation, I guess that's why they say its best not to talk politics or religion because not everybody will always agree. JT'sahottie out.



Margo, I'm not sure what you're implying by saying that perhaps JTsahottie & I have things in common other than our political views. Clearly we are both conservative, but the only soap I watch is Days & I believe the 'JT' she refers to is on another soap. JT & I both watch Days & disagree about issues on that show, but I would much rather someone agree w/me on political issues that are of much greater importance than fictional soap characters. I have learned that it is not worth it to argue over soap characters, & I am also learning that perhaps soaps.com is not the best place to discuss politics. I love the character of EJ DiMera on Days & that's where I got my name...but like JT said, he in no way represents me or my views on anything. I think he is attractive & adds a lot to the show & that's all. My politics are much more important to me than my soap or any character on my soap.

I have starting posting about Days on another site & have mainly been returning here to read this thread in the lounge, but I am losing interest.


Before you "lose interest " I'm still waiting waiting to hear how Regan brought down the evil empire.

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#161   2008/08/24 07:32AM
Re: The 2008 Presidential Election
Plot-Twister
Plot-Twister

Quote margolovestom:
Quote Plot-Twister: I have to say that I have 2 republican friends that I feel comfortable discussing politics with. I am not a democrat, I am not a republican (LOL), I am not a socialist, I am not a communist, I am just me, with my thoughts. In truth, the democratic party irks the crap out of me, but they are more in line with what I believe in than the republican party. With that said, even with my 2 good friends that I jokingly "argue" with over politics, it is never this "nice" I know from my perspective having to state my words in such a politically correct and impersonal tone is aggravating, yet necessary. Can you imagine if we all talked like we do with our friends. LOL

Anyway, EJ, why don't you respond to my posts chica? I thought I did a pretty good job of addressing sterilization regarding adoption. Response please?


Plot are you trying to say I'm not playing nice? LOL!!
I know soaps.com has guidelines and I respect those and stay within them, but I don't believe I should censor myself on a mesage board. When an issue comes up I feel I should address it the same way I would if the person were standing in front of me. That's all.


NO! I am not saying that at all. LOL I am simply saying that it is funny how we are all trying to be so nice getting our points across. People don't talk this way in real life, but we have to on a message board.

As far as the comment about having 2 republican friends that I can talk politics with....I have more than 2 rep friends, but only two of them have open minds and can communciate with an open mind. I have been known to look at things differently and they the same, after our conversations. I actually find talking to people who believe differently fun (I am totally warped, I know) if it is done in a humane way.

So, no, it was not directed at you.

#162   2008/08/24 01:25PM
Re: The 2008 Presidential Election
soapmommie
soapmommie

You know what people. We really need to look at this whole thing for what it is. It's not about race, color dem or rep, it about the people of the world. Look at what the rich has done to this country. McCain is over 70 years old, he is too old. You know if your grandfather was working at this age all of us would say to him " retire and enjoy the rest of your life. The president job is a stressful one, we would not want our parents or grandparents to do this job, so why in the world would you want McCain to do this. He is not for the people or this country. Some talk about keeping this country safe, what human can do that. Was Bush able to keep the country safe no. He lied, cheated and kills several people for what (Nothing) but for his own personal gain. No matter who is president no man can stop another man from being evil. We just need to remember that we all need to eat, we all need jobs, we all need to raise our families, and we all need to remember we all need to live in this world together for now. Let's not think about just being safe which is very important, but we all need to be able to be free and care for man kind without using race,creed or color, rich or poor, demo or repub, just the HUMAN RACE and the respect for man kind. We shouldn't always say GOD BLESS only america, but GOD BLESS US ALL....

#163   2008/08/24 02:13PM
Re: The 2008 Presidential Election
alwaysEJ
alwaysEJ

Quote soapmommie: You know what people. We really need to look at this whole thing for what it is. It's not about race, color dem or rep, it about the people of the world. Look at what the rich has done to this country. McCain is over 70 years old, he is too old. You know if your grandfather was working at this age all of us would say to him " retire and enjoy the rest of your life. The president job is a stressful one, we would not want our parents or grandparents to do this job, so why in the world would you want McCain to do this. He is not for the people or this country. Some talk about keeping this country safe, what human can do that. Was Bush able to keep the country safe no. He lied, cheated and kills several people for what (Nothing) but for his own personal gain. No matter who is president no man can stop another man from being evil. We just need to remember that we all need to eat, we all need jobs, we all need to raise our families, and we all need to remember we all need to live in this world together for now. Let's not think about just being safe which is very important, but we all need to be able to be free and care for man kind without using race,creed or color, rich or poor, demo or repub, just the HUMAN RACE and the respect for man kind. We shouldn't always say GOD BLESS only america, but GOD BLESS US ALL....


Seems like maybe it is about Democrats & Republicans...maybe just a little?

Reagan was 78 years old when he left office in 1989. He lived until June of 2004. Age is sometimes an issue in elections (many people said Reagan was too old), but that's why we have a vice president. Presidents have died in office before, & they will again, & America will be just fine. The man Obama has selected as his VP, Joe Biden, almost died of two brain aneurysms in 1988 & is considerably older than Obama.

Margo - I will return at some point this week, when time permits, with more thoughts on Reagan & the Soviets. I came back to this thread today to see if there was anything interesting to read, & was reminded yet again of why this may not be the best place to discuss politics.

Maybe we need a new thread titled Republican presidents who are also mass murderers? It seems it would be quite popular.

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#164   2008/08/24 04:00PM
Re: The 2008 Presidential Election
margolovestom
margolovestom

Quote alwaysEJ:
Quote soapmommie: You know what people. We really need to look at this whole thing for what it is. It's not about race, color dem or rep, it about the people of the world. Look at what the rich has done to this country. McCain is over 70 years old, he is too old. You know if your grandfather was working at this age all of us would say to him " retire and enjoy the rest of your life. The president job is a stressful one, we would not want our parents or grandparents to do this job, so why in the world would you want McCain to do this. He is not for the people or this country. Some talk about keeping this country safe, what human can do that. Was Bush able to keep the country safe no. He lied, cheated and kills several people for what (Nothing) but for his own personal gain. No matter who is president no man can stop another man from being evil. We just need to remember that we all need to eat, we all need jobs, we all need to raise our families, and we all need to remember we all need to live in this world together for now. Let's not think about just being safe which is very important, but we all need to be able to be free and care for man kind without using race,creed or color, rich or poor, demo or repub, just the HUMAN RACE and the respect for man kind. We shouldn't always say GOD BLESS only america, but GOD BLESS US ALL....


Seems like maybe it is about Democrats & Republicans...maybe just a little?

Reagan was 78 years old when he left office in 1989. He lived until June of 2004. Age is sometimes an issue in elections (many people said Reagan was too old), but that's why we have a vice president. Presidents have died in office before, & they will again, & America will be just fine. The man Obama has selected as his VP, Joe Biden, almost died of two brain aneurysms in 1988 & is considerably older than Obama.

Margo - I will return at some point this week, when time permits, with more thoughts on Reagan & the Soviets. I came back to this thread today to see if there was anything interesting to read, & was reminded yet again of why this may not be the best place to discuss politics.

Maybe we need a new thread titled Republican presidents who are also mass murderers? It seems it would be quite popular.


Sorry to hear I'm going to have to wait a whole week to get the low down on a president you claim to know so much about, but then again I already know the truth; I lived through it.
As for this not being the place to discuss politics, as another president said or is credited with saying; I wasn't even alive then not even as a child, "If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen."

#165   2008/08/24 05:19PM
Re: The 2008 Presidential Election
wannazach
wannazach

Quote margolovestom:
Quote alwaysEJ:
Quote soapmommie: You know what people. We really need to look at this whole thing for what it is. It's not about race, color dem or rep, it about the people of the world. Look at what the rich has done to this country. McCain is over 70 years old, he is too old. You know if your grandfather was working at this age all of us would say to him " retire and enjoy the rest of your life. The president job is a stressful one, we would not want our parents or grandparents to do this job, so why in the world would you want McCain to do this. He is not for the people or this country. Some talk about keeping this country safe, what human can do that. Was Bush able to keep the country safe no. He lied, cheated and kills several people for what (Nothing) but for his own personal gain. No matter who is president no man can stop another man from being evil. We just need to remember that we all need to eat, we all need jobs, we all need to raise our families, and we all need to remember we all need to live in this world together for now. Let's not think about just being safe which is very important, but we all need to be able to be free and care for man kind without using race,creed or color, rich or poor, demo or repub, just the HUMAN RACE and the respect for man kind. We shouldn't always say GOD BLESS only america, but GOD BLESS US ALL....


Seems like maybe it is about Democrats & Republicans...maybe just a little?

Reagan was 78 years old when he left office in 1989. He lived until June of 2004. Age is sometimes an issue in elections (many people said Reagan was too old), but that's why we have a vice president. Presidents have died in office before, & they will again, & America will be just fine. The man Obama has selected as his VP, Joe Biden, almost died of two brain aneurysms in 1988 & is considerably older than Obama.

Margo - I will return at some point this week, when time permits, with more thoughts on Reagan & the Soviets. I came back to this thread today to see if there was anything interesting to read, & was reminded yet again of why this may not be the best place to discuss politics.

Maybe we need a new thread titled Republican presidents who are also mass murderers? It seems it would be quite popular.


Sorry to hear I'm going to have to wait a whole week to get the low down on a president you claim to know so much about, but then again I already know the truth; I lived through it.
As for this not being the place to discuss politics, as another president said or is credited with saying; I wasn't even alive then not even as a child, "If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen."


Margo, I for one have followed this debate very closely and I must commend you on your intelligence pertaining to this matter. Every word you have expressed has been true. I also do not have to rely on info I seek out to coincide with my personal opinion. I was there and experienced it first hand for myself. No research needed. Thank you for your excellent posts! They are much appreciated.

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