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I posted this in the Republican thread, but I think this is worthy of discussion. Set aside the abortion issue because I think I know what many posters feel. My question is more toward the healthcare reform and how it will effect the working class.

(I did delete my first and last comment because I didn't want this to be an abortion issue.)


I really hope and pray that the House made the right decision....I know there will be reprecussions, I just am not convinced that ALL people will benefit from the Healthcare reform.

From my understanding if employers are not offering healthcare they will be fined. That may be a good thing, but also from my understanding the fine is minimal compared to the cost that present company's are paying to cover healthcare,it seems to me that anyone who is working and is covered presently by their employers are at HUGE risk of losing their healthcare. HOW in Hell can the Government cover EVERYBODY!!!! Healthcare cost alot! For this adminstration/legislation to set fines lower than the cost of healthcare makes me wonder what this adminstration really wants.

Disclousure: These words and the words written by me in the Republican thread are all mine...no copy and paste from another site. ( Not that anyone would think otherwise LOL)

good morning rei1, i was under the impression the public insurance would only be for those who don't have insurance and those that do, keep what they have, have things changed?
i am not being sarcastic at all(i think you already know that), i really want to know, thanks

Yes, health care costs a lot whether this new health care bill passes or not. It costs the American taxpayer alot regardless - in higher premiums, excluding the existing insured, and refusing insurance to others, and higher state taxes to provide medicaid to the low income. Those who are excluded cause hospital fees to skyrocket in order to compensate for non-payers using expensive ER's for routine family medical needs, and so on. The taxpayer pays for all that too. Might as well shift that to a plan that will cover everyone and insure competition among insurance companies. We must not forget, the insured will be paying premiums, deductibles and shares of cost - the same as everyone else does when enrolled in a plan.

I can't believe that only one Republican had compassion enough to vote yea for the Healthcare Admendment last night.

Apparently compassion can be in short supply when one's campaign contributions are heavily covered by those insurance money-making machines who want to maintain the status quo. And of course, what representive or politician doesn't love his job, the position and all the perks he/she
enjoys. They are in each others' pockets so to speak.

I just wish President Obama had fought harder for true reform. It seems he was so worried about bipartisanship and trying to get some Republican votes that he backed off real reform ( real public option, etc). The Republicans have shown where they stand (no where) time and time again. We can only hope the Senate learns something from the House vote and forgets about the Republicans and put through a strong bill that will bring about real reform. Bipatisanship is great but when the other party continuously votes no just for the sake of disageeing and offers no real alternatives (and haven't for the past 8 years) it is time to go forward w/out them.

eppy, i thought when in came down to the vote, all the republicians,100% voted no, who voted yes, it amazes me how united the republicians are on every issue, we should take a page out of their play book, and i totally agree with you daisyjo,obama should have been tougher, he should have said i want to work with everyone, however if you don't that is fine, we have the majority and i intend to use that
p.s. i think joe leibermann needs to go, we also need to remember all the blue dogs getting monies insurance companies when it it is election time again

Well since Im already poor Im wondering how much this will screw me over!! I can't afford for another bill to go up!!

I have it thru work. Ive been there for 4 years when I first started it was $55 every other week(family plan) and $5 for dental and now it's $85 every other week and $5 for dental. I qualify for the states free program but I feel bad to take it from someone who is more needy than I am or my family. 1000+ pages imo leaves alot of ? and loopholes! Only time will tell!!

Sorry, but I fail to make the connection between the ordinary guy having the opportunity to buy into an insurance plan and being assured he will not be excluded or dropped from the plan, to losing all the rich people in this country. Singles who make over $500,000.00 per year and married couples who make over $1,000,000.00 per year will be the ones who will see an increase in taxes. I doubt that an increase in their taxes would make them poor. I feel sorrier for the guy who can't get insurance and finds it necessary to lose his savings or home or personal belongings to pay for medical bills and then find himself in bankruptcy and be sick, ill or disabled on top of that. Even the rich ones would find that hard to deal with if they couldn't get insurance.

This partisanship crap is like herd mentality. Dems think if Obama said it, it must be the most wonderful thing ever, Reps think if Obama said it it must be wrong. I will bet that if any of those people voted what their states want it would not have passed. Why all the party stuff? I hate it...can't those in office sit down and listen to the people and come together with something?

It is not just the rich who will pay for this...it is me and every Medicare patient there is. Every single one of this will pay for this down the road. There must be a better plan!

And yes, I have compassion. I have 2 sons with no healthcare. One has Leukemia and one is using a walking cast because he fears he broke a bone in his foot but can't afford to see a doctor.

some of you may have forgotten, another part of the bill will not allow current insurance companies to deny people coverage because of what they define as a pre existing condition, they won't be able to drop you when you get sick, this is a huge benefit for all of us, and remember, all of us will not be paying for emergency room visits for the un insured
i don't believe we will have to wait in lines to see a doctor,i just waited 2 months to see a specialist

Eppy -
that was definately NOT a comparison I intended to make. It just seems to me that every one in support of this bill supports it b/c they know they will not bear the brunt of it. I won't either, but IMO in the long run, this will not be sustainable b/c we will lose our rich. Did you know that only half of Americans, those who our gov consider the rich and middle class, pay taxes? HALF of Americans DO NOT contribute. If we tax this 50% even more, I just see only negative consequences. Thats the only point I was making. Never meant to compare them to the poor, though.

calliope - that must be the toughest situation. I am really sorry and hope it all works out. I also agree, if they would vote according to their state's voices, we wouldn't be here IMO.