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Targets Halloween Costume Debacle
Started by Oreo123 at 2009/10/18 11:26AMLatest post: 2009/10/20 09:08PM, Views: 986, Replies: 99
cats meow |
quote lorree....Sorry, but most people would certainly think that you are stereotyping............I work with 9 men, the 5 mexican men do NOT have mustaches....3 white men do!! Also my supervisor says she has the start of a good mustache but that might not count!! I am sure you meant no harm but you should think about what you are saying if you do not want it to be said that you are stereotyping. I have many mexican friends and they are all free of facial hair.....maybe what you are thinking about are some of the old cartoons or movies that portrayed most mexican men with very large mustaches... |
puddycat |
Quote cats meow: quote lorree....Sorry, but most people would certainly think that you are stereotyping............I work with 9 men, the 5 mexican men do NOT have mustaches....3 white men do!! Also my supervisor says she has the start of a good mustache but that might not count!! I am sure you meant no harm but you should think about what you are saying if you do not want it to be said that you are stereotyping. I have many mexican friends and they are all free of facial hair.....maybe what you are thinking about are some of the old cartoons or movies that portrayed most mexican men with very large mustaches... did you by any chance read my post # 45? and thank you very much puddy for coming to my defense and fyi, i am part mexican OMG!!! You are part Mexican? Holy Crap!! 
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puddycat |
Okey Dokey - - Many posts have said they "would" go dressed up in the Illegal Alien costume and the Aunt Jemima costume, but none said they were going to do so. |
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cats meow |
so puddy, you can certainly see why this offends me |
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cats meow |
i guess i am not quite finished, isn't this the same thing as the entertainers that had the afros and black masks on? i think it is the exact same thing...racist |
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puddycat |
Quote cats meow: so puddy, you can certainly see why this offends me i am not sure i can be stereotyping at the same time as saying this costume is racist, i need to stop now, the costume is what it is, awful Yep - - just remember - - even it hurts somebody's feelings, infuriates somebody (i.e., LEGAL ALIENS who have worked their asses off to be citizens of this great country to get out of their opression that some of us have NEVER experienced) or gives children the freedom to express themselves in the same way as their parents feel - - IT IS FUNNY! Ha Ha. P.S. Love your new avi - - it is THERE!!! |
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puddycat |
Quote cats meow: i guess i am not quite finished, isn't this the same thing as the entertainers that had the afros and black masks on? i think it is the exact same thing...racist now i am really gone  No need to leave - - I was going to also, but people were coming back and asking questions that NEEDED answers. This is a thread that many have strong feelings about - - and everyone has a right to DEBATE!!! And thank God, it has not gotten ugly yet - - and hope it does not. |
lorree |
I am out also. It worries me that because there are a few that have different opinions, that means it could turn ugly. Read a few ugly threads before and want no part of it. This is one that simply got out of hand in my opinion, it is not that it might bother the children, it is that it did bother the adults and that bothers me a lot.........because that is where childrens problems come from. I certainly did not mean to offend anyone, but appears as that might be the case, and if so, sorry for that. |
OspreyGirl |
Quote puddycat: Okey Dokey - - Many posts have said they "would" go dressed up in the Illegal Alien costume and the Aunt Jemima costume, but none said they were going to do so. Do us a favor, okay? If you DO dress up in either of the above, let us know how you fare. But - - make sure that if you wear the Aunt Jemima costume, you go to an African American household and if you wear the illegal alien costume, with the mustache and green card, that you go to a Mexican or another Hispanic household. Let us know how the parents who open the doors react! I am sure you will still get candy - - and if you WOULD send your kids out dressed like either of the above, I certainly hope you will be accompanying them. HAPPY HALLOWEEN! You know what Puddy? I would request that if those actions are done at the homes of a Latino and AA that pictures be posted, with a slideshow of arrival reactions, reactions from the people opening the door, etc. Heck, I think a video would be great, shows everything in real time. unedited, with no trickery in discerning what's happening. You know...it's easier for someone to type that they actually have the b@lls do be that racist at the door of the persons whom they hate. It's real easy to hide in the comfort of one's home, office, library, etc, and type that they would actually show up and wear such offensive things like these costumes...doing so isn't a funny thing to do...it's a stupid thing to do that will might get you hurt or killed. Yes, that would be something if that actually would happen. Just like the Klan hiding behind sheets, most racists are cowards and would rather hide than be that bold to show up on the doorstep of a Latino family wearing that distasteful costume. And God pity the ones who would think they would walk away from a situation like that unscathed...all of these things are tasteless, and people need to stop dancing around the issue. It's not really a political thing, it's a matter of decency and respect for others of different cultural backgrounds who are sensitive to racist behaviors and imagery. Quick note: I find it funny that the moment something offensive happens to women, especially on a national level, that probably 99.9% of us on this board would rally together...I find it sad, however, that when it comes to things like this illegal alien costume, racism trumps equality of any kind. |
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puddycat |
Quote lorree: I am out also. It worries me that because there are a few that have different opinions, that means it could turn ugly. Read a few ugly threads before and want no part of it. This is one that simply got out of hand in my opinion, it is not that it might bother the children, it is that it did bother the adults and that bothers me a lot.........because that is where childrens problems come from. I certainly did not mean to offend anyone, but appears as that might be the case, and if so, sorry for that. Most of us are aware of each other's likes and dislikes and political stands. This thread has not become "ugly" and doubt that it will. I can agree with a poster on this thread and not agree on another thread, and some have certainly not agreed with me on some issues. But, that is why we debate and try not to get ugly. I know you have seen some ugly threads, but seems they have disappeared - - because some posters have disappeared. IMHO |
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lorree |
Actually the thing that should concern us is the fact that in every state in the USA, there are children that will not even have a costume to wear because there is no money for them to buy one. I need to make sure that some in my neighborhood have something to wear, even if we have to make it ourselves. So I just want to say that for myself, I lost sight of what is going on in this world that I really should be concerned about and it is not mustaches, fake green cards, etc. it is the fact that many parents cannot buy their kids a costume at all because of our economy at this time!! I learned something here today,,,thanks (now I really am out of here) |
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puddycat |
Quote lorree: Actually the thing that should concern us is the fact that in every state in the USA, there are children that will not even have a costume to wear because there is no money for them to buy one. I need to make sure that some in my neighborhood have something to wear, even if we have to make it ourselves. So I just want to say that for myself, I lost sight of what is going on in this world that I really should be concerned about and it is not mustaches, fake green cards, etc. it is the fact that many parents cannot buy their kids a costume at all because of our economy at this time!! I learned something here today,,,thanks (now I really am out of here) All the more reason for you to stay on and post! This thread is NOT getting ugly. If you will read from the top, you will see that many of us are aware of what is going on in the world today! Perhaps, the fact that we all know some people cannot even afford to buy costumes, made us more adamant that someone would actually pay the $40 for this costume in question. Believe me, if anybody knows how strapped everyone is at this time, I certainly do, but will not go into detail about my woes. I say, bless you for looking out for the kids in your neighborhood to make sure they have a costume to wear. And yes, they are very easy to make - - here is a great link to help with that: familycrafts.about.com/cs/halloweentheme/a/091399.htm |
Creedfan |
[quote]Quote lorree: [quote]Quote cats meow: quote sundevil....Why does everything have to go back to being political? Differences of opinion don't always apply to right and left. If you knew anytning about me you'd know I'm not a far right person, so to imply my questions have anything to do with my political views is a bit of a stretch. I don't intend disrespect Cats, but the comments that any time a person disagrees with the majority on this board, we are labeled as right wingers.... Perhaps you should look inward when you say that you automatically associate mustaches with Mexicans because that implys stereotyping to me. |
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Creedfan |
Quote cats meow: so puddy, you can certainly see why this offends me i am not sure i can be stereotyping at the same time as saying this costume is racist, i need to stop now, the costume is what it is, awful Hi there Cats Meow. I can't see how in the world you are stereotyping a thing when many latino groups and groups for immigration protested this so strongly it was removed from the shelves. Did they stereotype themselves then? lol. You were not the only one that saw the hatred in this costume. You are not alone and you should not feel ashamed over a thing. I think all of your posts have been kind hearted and defending something you see as wrong. |
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Creedfan |
Quote lovesit: Quote Creedfan: Wow. I'm amazed to see this most controversial conversation still going. I would think most would think it's offensive..Many activists and latino rights groups are offended. It's been pulled from the shelves of target. I would think that many know that these days most illegial immigrants are indeed latino or mexican. I don't see dressing up as a hooker or inmate as the same thing b/c that is dressing up as a random person who broke the law. It's not hinting at a specific race of people. The illegal alien costume implies much more. It sends a message of hate to adults and kids that there is an assumption that most mexicans or latinos you run into may not be here legally. Regardless of the size of the costume..don't you think kids will see this and possibly treat anyone mexican and latino differently as a result? Is that the message we would want to send to our kids? Kids are impressionable and easily swayed. As adults we should take care to ensure we are not humiliating any race in any way or insinuating something about a race. If you want to be angry, blame our laws..not the people that make it over here easily. Quite frankly I only feel compassion for those seeking to leave an impoverished country in hopes of a better life. Btw I think Ceaser of the Dog Whisperer is such an amazing example of someone who has worked hard and "achieved". I wish more actual citizens had as much drive. Anyway I see this as the same mentality as wearing a muslim costume strapped with bombs. It sends a message of hate. That is my opinion. Well first, thanks for telling my the difference for you between inmates/illegals/etc. I don't agree, but now I can understand. Second, never did I even say my stance on illegals. Since this thread took the political turn, here goes. As it happens, I don't blame them one bit. It is our own fault for not holding our gov accountable for letting these illegals undermine our economy and healthcare system. But none of that comes to my mind when I look at this costume, and that doesn't make me a low, racist, or hateful person. Never watched the Dog Whisperer through a whole episode, so I don't get that reference. Also, I don't have kids, but here is my take on what the kids would interpret (I am from a family of over 50 kids under high school, so I feel I have a semi-educated guess) They would feel the costume was making fun of illegals, not Mexicans, not Brazilians, not Ecuadoreans, edpecially if the parents were doing a decent job at explaining what illegals really meant. But I know I could be wrong, I just know if it were my kids I would have already explained to them that "illegal" has no racial/ethnic boundary. Serious question: why does it say "think Mexican" when we see the mustache? I have yet to see the majority of male Latinos with one? And I know I never would have thought Mexican if it had not told me to think that. I would have thought "illegal male aliens." Whoa. I think something got off track here. I try to word things carefully but I guess you can't always please everyone. Anyway my post was about the topic in general and I had addressed a few things from a few different posts. So this was not directed at you even if I may have touched on something you said. When I mentioned Ceasar/Dog Whisperer, that had to do with someone else's post who brought him up. So let's just say that my "opinion" was in regards to the topic itself as well as things many had said. Anyway I'm not trying to tell anyone about the difference of anything. Simply put, it's my viewpoint regardless of who agrees or not. I'm sorry if I was so obviously offensive somehow to have received such a strongly worded post in return directed right at me. As for kids, I do have them. I know how easily hate is spread even if you talk to your children all day long about ignorance. I can account for mine knowing the difference but I'm sorry..I can't account for the millions of others that will see the stereotype and use it in hate. Not to mention the parents that already do and will pass it down to their children. I find that really sad. Halloween is for fun..not to make fun of a group of people. Here's a serious question for you - If it's not stereotyped toward anyone then why are there protests from latino groups and groups for immigration? Wouldn't THEY be the highest authority of what is found offensive toward their own people? How about this..why don't you wear the costume and walk in front of a place with a strong mexican draw or the mexican mafia perhaps? If it would freak you out to do that or even imagine doing that, then you know it's wrong in your heart. Do you think muslim costumes with bombs strapped to them would be acceptable? It's the same mentality. Personally I feel if it hurts a group of people or sends a message hinting toward a group of people in a negative way, it's just not right. Again, my apologies for somehow offending you with my post. I was only posting an opinion that was completely on topic to this thread. Maybe there is so much anger b/c you know in your heart this costume is wrong and any of the arguments justifying it do not hold water. I can't think of any other reason to be upset over my post. |
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