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Started by baileysmommy at 2009/10/12 09:28AM
Latest post: 2009/10/13 10:17PM, Views: 137, Replies: 6
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#1   2009/10/12 09:28AM
Question for Administration
baileysmommy
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Since I do not consider myself a Republican or a Democrat, and my political philosophy leans very much toward Liberal, so in that sense I do not agree with everything the President says or does. But if I post in the Democrat No Bash Thread about something I disagree with the President on it is seen as bashing. Since Administration does not recognize that just because people are of the same political beliefs does not mean that they agree on everything, or support everything the President does.
So I am asking in the interest of fairness that two other No Bash Threads be opened:
A Liberal No Bash Thread, and a
Independent No Bash Thread.
Thanks

#2   2009/10/12 03:22PM
Re: Question for Administration
baileysmommy
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Going to bring this back to the first page, because I didn't receive an answer and don't want it to be overlooked.

#3   2009/10/12 03:25PM
Re: Question for Administration
bigtimesoapfan
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That makes sense!!

#4   2009/10/12 06:16PM
Re: Question for Administration
baileysmommy
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Okay here goes without a No Bash thread...
The hope was to have a thread that people of a progressive political philosophy could have discussions without interference from a conservative viewpoint that relies solely on it's disagreement of Obama simply because he is a Democrat. It is my belief that simply pulling a lever in a voting booth does not end our responsibilities as citizens, even if the person we elected becomes President that does not mean that we do not hold their feet to the fire to hold them to the promises they made while campaigning to be President. Change does not happen simply by electing an official, holdng them accountable for what they do and do not do is what counts and creates real change. To simply agree and applaud Obama because he is not a Republican, is no different from the Right who suppored Bush through all his crimes while in the White House.
So for those of us who did not drink the Obama kool-aid, and believe that everything he touches is gold, but yet still hold true to a liberal/progressive agenda, here goes...
Back in February, the case of Binyam Mohamed, the British subject tortured at the hands of the United States at Gitmo, including having his genitals carved selectively with a scalpel. There was an oral argument in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco to provide a crucial test of the new Obama Administration’s willingness to continue the Bush policy of concealing torture, wiretapping and other crimes by the assertion of the state secrets privilege.
Here is an excerpt from an article by Daphne Eviatar at the Washington Independent at the end of January:

"President Obama’s sweeping reversals of torture and state secret policies are about to face an early test.
The test of those commitments will come soon in key court cases involving CIA “black sites” and torture that the Bush administration had quashed by claiming they would reveal state secrets and endanger national security. Legal experts say that the Bush Department of Justice used whatʼs known as the “state secrets privilege” – created originally as a narrow evidentiary privilege for sensitive national security information — as a broad shield to protect the government from exposure of its own misconduct.

One such case, dealing with the gruesome realities of the CIAʼs so-called “extraordinary rendition” program, is scheduled for oral argument before a federal appeals court in early February. The position the Obama administration takes in this case may be the first major test of its new policies on transparency in government.

Mohamed v. Jeppesen Dataplan, Inc. involves five victims of CIA rendition, or “torture by proxy,” as itʼs also known. Abducted abroad, the men were flown by the CIA to cooperating countries whose agents interrogated them under torture. Because federal officials are usually immune from lawsuits, the men later sued the private aviation data company, Jeppesen — a subsidiary of Boeing, one of the largest federal defense contractors — that
knowingly provided the flight plans and other assistance necessary for the CIA to carry out its clandestine operations."

The news being reported out of Courtroom One in San Francisco was not good and indicates that the Obama Administration has continued the walk of the oppressive shoes of the Bush/Cheney regime and has formally continued the assertion of state secrets.

The best hope for transparency on torture cases, wiretapping cases, and a whole host of illegal Bush/Cheney conduct was for Obama to pull back on the previous policy of concealment via the assertion of state secrets. From the official press release of the ACLU, and their attorney Ben Wizner who argued the case
"The Justice Department today repeated Bush administration claims of “state secrets” in a lawsuit against Boeing subsidiary Jeppesen DataPlan for its role in the extraordinary rendition program. Mohamed et al. v. Jeppesen was brought on behalf of five men who were kidnapped and secretly transferred to U.S.-run prisons or foreign intelligence agencies overseas where they were interrogated under torture. The Bush administration intervened in the case, inappropriately asserting the “state secrets” privilege and claiming the case would undermine national security. Oral arguments were presented today in the American Civil Liberties Union’s appeal of the dismissal, and the Obama administration opted not to change the government position in the case, instead reasserting that the entire subject matter of the case is a state secret.

The following can be attributed to Anthony D. Romero, Executive Director of the ACLU:

“Eric Holder’s Justice Department stood up in court today and said that it would continue the Bush policy of invoking state secrets to hide the reprehensible history of torture, rendition and the most grievous human rights violations committed by the American government. This is not change. This is definitely more of the same. Candidate Obama ran on a platform that would reform the abuse of state secrets, but President Obama’s Justice Department has disappointingly reneged on that important civil liberties issue. If this is a harbinger of things to come, it will be a long and arduous road to give us back an America we can be proud of again.”

The following can be attributed to Ben Wizner, a staff attorney with the ACLU, who argued the case for the plaintiffs:

“We are shocked and deeply disappointed that the Justice Department has chosen to continue the Bush administration’s practice of dodging judicial scrutiny of extraordinary rendition and torture. This was an opportunity for the new administration to act on its condemnation of torture and rendition, but instead it has chosen to stay the course. Now we must hope that the court will assert its independence by rejecting the government’s false claims of state secrets and allowing the victims of torture and rendition their day in court.”

Obama is just continuing the policies of the Bush Administration, and if the people of this country want real change they will hold him to the promises he made during his election campaign; however vague they were!

#5   2009/10/13 03:39PM
Re: Question for Administration
baileysmommy
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Over 24 hours and still no response from Admin....

#6   2009/10/13 07:52PM
Re: Question for Administration
dcorn
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Quote baileysmommy: Over 24 hours and still no response from Admin....


have you tried to contact them via -e-mail? they are busy ladies!

#7   2009/10/13 10:17PM
Re: Question for Administration
Kathryn (Admin)
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I'm sorry I didn't see this sooner. I think that sounds like a fair and good idea. I'm closing this one and opening up those two threads. Feel free to re-post your post in one of those.

Have a nice night everyone.

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