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Quote puddycat: Hey Pine - - you said"

"I'm not a touchy feely huggy type of person, and for your personal safety do NOT ever touch me when I am asleep!"

I just gave your *hugs* over the internet - - - DO NOT ATTACK ME!!!

*more hugs*

Quote rei1: I really believe that Mackenzie is telling the truth and I also think she is telling her story now is because her father is passed and she finally feels free to say what she must have wanted to SCREAM out for years.

It taked alot of courage to come forward with such UGLY DISGUSTING happenings.

I also think that she wants to come forward to help others that may have gone through the horror that she went through.

And to those that say she is just trying to make a buck? Well we all work for a living ... and if she needs to put food on the table by selling a book then good for her. Killing two birds from one stone.

I think she should be applauded for revealing her childhood...that takes HUGE strenght.

All the best to Mackenzie....I sincerley hope the rest of her life isn't as bad as the begining...

Quote clicquot1:
REI1, I may not agree with you politically but I would like to compliment you on your very thoughtful post. I have always believed in the old saying that GOD never gives you more than you can handle and MP has been handed alot in her life. First of all like many children that are a product of a divorce she was shuffled back and forth from the home of her mother to the home of her father. The father by all accounts a very charasmatic, charming, rich and a rock star to boot. Not only did MP adore her father as a young child but would do anything to get his attention. For her father to turn her "on" to drugs at such an early age is appalling and had he not been so wealthy & a rock star perhaps he would have been jailed. The power that a parent has over their children(not ALL parent/children has this type of relationship because MOST have healthy relationships)makes it hard for me to believe that she really did give her consent, more like her co-operation because she was seeking the attention that she never got as a child. I believe she did know it was wrong but was powerless to stop the incest much like many women or men are powerless to leave their abuser. I also believe that she had such a hard time trying to deal with what happened to her during her childhood and because of the sexual abuse(and yes, it WAS sexual abuse)that it hindered her recovery from her drug addictions. Can you IMIAGINE if you had been raised in her circumstances? Would any of us have survived, or would we have delved further into the maze of drugs or alcohol to try to forget.People drink or become alcoholics or drug addicts for all kinds of reasons and many are trying to forget something that has happened to them in their lives. Not all people are just doing drugs or alcohol for kicks. She did tell her family about what happened to her, and they were told before her father died. It is VERY typical for the WIFE or in this case WIVES(second & third, but not her mom)to NOT believe a case of molestation,rape, or incest. For CHYNA PHILLIPS to come on THE OPRAH WINFRY SHOW was very difficult for her personally, especially to 'air" her familie's dirty laundry so to speak. But I was glad to see her half-sister supporting her and to reinforce MP's statement that she told her family before her father's death. MP's testimonial of the horrific childhood and incest that happened to her will hopefully help relieve many incest survivors that BLAME THEMSELVES. Often families want to sweep such information under the rug and NOT talk about it or seek help for the person who was abused. By doing this the family is protecting the abuser and that is what was done in this case. By her coming forward very bravely(IMO) she is helping people who have gone through similiar circumstances. RAIN, which is the RAPE AND INCEST NETWORK has had a 76% increase in 'hits" to their website since she came forward with her story and a 23% increase in calls to their hotline. I was also glad to hear that one of the daughters of DENNY DOHERTY(a founding member of THE MAMAS & THE PAPA'S)called in to say that her father had told her about the incest years ago because MP's dad had told him. I think her name was Jessica. Already MP story has helped or is helping incest or sexual abuse victims and this is a very good thing. Maybe, this is her life's plan after all that she has gone through to help save or save someone like her. GOD BLESS you, MP.

Quote Sunnydaz: I just want to chime in on this. I understand everyones opinion and no one will ever know the real truth about Mackenzie and her fathers past. But, my instincts are telling me she's lieing. I just cant get past that. I watched her and listened to her story during an interview and for some reason i just couldnt believe her. The story she's telling is horrible and if i'm wrong i am sorry because this type of thing is so sad and so sickening. How an adult could abuse their own flesh and blood is beyond comprehension.

I just dont think she's telling the truth. Time will tell, if we ever find out for certain.

God bless anyone going thru anything like she's claiming.

Quote Sunnydaz: I just want to chime in on this. I understand everyones opinion and no one will ever know the real truth about Mackenzie and her fathers past. But, my instincts are telling me she's lieing. I just cant get past that. I watched her and listened to her story during an interview and for some reason i just couldnt believe her. The story she's telling is horrible and if i'm wrong i am sorry because this type of thing is so sad and so sickening. How an adult could abuse their own flesh and blood is beyond comprehension.

I just dont think she's telling the truth. Time will tell, if we ever find out for certain.

God bless anyone going thru anything like she's claiming.

Quote rudy2: i hear ya pvb~sometimes i wonder how many families have this goin on an keep it ah secret also~ my family also had this goin on~my stepdad took ferevah ta admit to it~my mom decided to try an "werk things out her way" cuz she wuz scared ta be alone with 4 kids~she hided behind bein ah jehovahs witness~them folks decide ta werk everythang out thier own way~sometimes i wonder what would have happened if she wuznt mixed up with them~ guess what also? i luv my stepdad and would never accept anything bad comin to him~~he wuz the only dad i ever knew and luved me wholeheartedly!~ i wuz his princess~he nevah touched me~i carry around alotta guilt fer bein mad at my sister fer bein so mean ta our dad~ she took the rap fer sooo many years an she didnt deserve it at all~ he lied! he wuz the creep she said ~but i still luv him~how skrewed up is that?

Quote PineValley_Breeze_: I for one am very proud of Mackenzie Phillips for writing her book and telling the world what happened during her childhood.

I am a survivor of incest and sexual abuse. My sister is also a survivor.
I say survivor instead of victim because we have finally moved on with our lives. It takes a special kind of courage to finally talk about it. Many feel guilty and wonder if they caused it to begin with.

Keep in mind that back in the 50's 60's and 70's that sexual abuse was a family's *dirty little secret* Polls show that 3 out of 5 girls were being molested and 2 out of 5 boys. It wasn't until the mid 80's that things came to light and people were being arrested for this crime on children.

My sister went into therapy when she was in her 40's and the doctor told her to write letters and get rid of the anger of what our father did. Perhaps this is Mackenzie Phillips' letter to her father.
Maybe she can now heal and carry on with a normal life.


I pray that she is now out of her *purple haze* with the drugs.

Quote KC11:


ITA! PVB, May God bless you through your hard times or any flashbacks that may resurface.

For the life of me, I will never understand how anyone particularly parents would question someone outing incest.

IMO I also can't fathom why anyone would question someone accusing a known creep (dead or alive).

FYI - Creeps depend on doubters! Victims commit suicide because of doubters! Victims do not come forward because of doubters. Most victims are children who feel many people will doubt their story!

Doubters, please realize that no one invites molestation of any kind into their lives!

I too would not air my dirty laundry on national television...who would invite the humiliation? But I'm guessing many people who choose to air their "dirty laundry" are trying to make sure their story is out there in the public eye just in case they end up DOA.

Yes, I'm sure some may fabricate but nowadays their is so much technology out there to corroborate any story. But even without it I still would rather take a chance when it comes to protecting our children.

Anyway, my heart goes out to MP and anyone who is brave enough to share their story as a way to heal their pain.

Wow! Unbelievable!

Quote Sunnydaz: IF she's not telling the truth but does help innocent victims then good. Maybe something good will come out of this horrah even if she's lieing. Thats all i'm saying.

Quote magicsteacher: I am a new poster to the lounge, but not to soaps.com. I have enjoyed reading all your posts about Mackenzie, even tho I missed her interview today. Since I didn't see her interview, I don't have an opinion on whether or not she is telling the truth, but if what she is saying can help someone who has gone through this, I guess that would be a plus. I have had friends and neighbors who have gone through incest and it is so sad!!