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Quote Longhornsfan79: Perhaps Mr. Wilson could have curbed his enthusiasm a bit however, . This is supported by the LEFT leaning website factcheck.org. I have provided the link below.

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Quote calliope: I am so tired of partisan crap! It's like if you are Republican you have to dislike everything about the bill, if you are Democrat, Obama is God and the bill is perfect. It is far from perfect....why don't the dissenters sit down and put all the ideas together? If Joe Wilson thinks he's lying, show us why and how he is lying! They all drive me nuts!

Quote OspreyGirl: H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS

Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

Also, under current law, those in the country illegally don’t qualify for federal health programs.

Quote puddycat:

because most of them are NOT grown, educated maybe, but still acting like children. And these are our leaders?

Quote puddycat:

I personally will not be reading that link as Factcheck.org is not a reliable source of information. Go into their home page and read the "About Us" section.

Quote calliope:

I live in Palm Beach county FL. My area is full of Guatemaulen illegals. Fl spent over 2 billion dollars for health care and education of illegal immigrants in 2007. Someone is paying for their health care. The docs aren't doing it for free.
Now, I am all for these families being taken care of when they are sick but when citizens who work and pay taxes, like my son with Leukemia, cannot afford a health care plan something is wrong.

Quote Longhornsfan79:

Done...here is their mission statement:

Browse > Home / About
AboutOur Mission

We are a nonpartisan, nonprofit "consumer advocate" for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics. We monitor the factual accuracy of what is said by major U.S. political players in the form of TV ads, debates, speeches, interviews and news releases. Our goal is to apply the best practices of both journalism and scholarship, and to increase public knowledge and understanding.

The Annenberg Political Fact Check is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania. The APPC was established by publisher and philanthropist Walter Annenberg in 1994 to create a community of scholars within the University of Pennsylvania that would address public policy issues at the local, state and federal levels.

The APPC accepts NO funding from business corporations, labor unions, political parties, lobbying organizations or individuals. It is funded primarily by the Annenberg Foundation.

What is it that is that is so unreliable about them?

Quote OspreyGirl:


Unfortunately they are. What I've found humorous over these past months is that the President asked them to work amongst themselves to come up with health care reform proposals as a way to show that he wants to work with everyone on the Hill and allow our elected officials the leverage to DO THEIR JOBS, reach out to us, etc---but unfortunately, many of these officials took it upon themselves to discount our need for fair discourse and puff out their peacock feathers to serve their own political agendas through controversy....


Did we have intelligent and informative town hall meetings across this country without lunatic fringes shouting down everyone? No!

We got what we saw, and considering the hysteria that came out of this, I think for voters, this has given us an opportunity to glimpse the true character of our elected officials---do they really care about us or are they pushing scare tactics/talking points to keep you from thinking?

I hear that Wilson's Democractic opponent, Joe Miller, just got a $200,000 boost in fundraising! LOL

Quote cats meow: longhorn post #16
i have to say i agree with you, i have been on that site many times, i also check out crook and liars, media matters and a few others

i have to say, never in my lifetime have i seen such disrespect for the president of the united states, i cannot remember this ever happening to another president, our enemies must just love this, they probably think they just have to sit back and watch us self destruct

Quote Longhornsfan79: sorry Puddy. I did not mean for that come across...catty? I really would like to know why you find them unreliable. I like to hear other peoples opinions.

Quote Longhornsfan79: sorry Puddy. I did not mean for that come across...catty? I really would like to know why you find them unreliable. I like to hear other peoples opinions.

Quote puddycat:

Okay, IMHO, I always used that site in the past. Thought it was great. Recently, I have found it has become much too political for me. If you really read all their articles, etc., you can see that they research all their opinions, etc., and at times will come back with a different opinion - - and I just don't feel all their research is reliable.

So, to each his own, okay?