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This mess in Iran
Started by bigtimesoapfan at 2009/06/21 06:30AMLatest post: 2009/06/26 10:16AM, Views: 356, Replies: 25
sarahconnor |
Quote lovesit: Quote sarahconnor: my take on this.. there is and has always been conflict in Africa. I really have never understood why the African Union is not even addressing this as they should. I know the North side of Africa is Muslim and South is Tribal with a huge conflict against Tribal. i really really hate what is going on over there..basically genocide (in my opinion) which is highly upsetting to me. at the same time we really have not been involved in this and have worked with the United Nations. I agree with that & think this is what we need to do more often. we are just stretched too thin to be jumping into every country's problems..we have to ask ourselves at some point where we draw the line when it comes to how many lives we are willing to risk by involving ourselves. we have too many issues over here as well. So as for Darfur, i don't even think we should jump in on that. we should work with the united nations when deciding upon things like this. (as we have been) as for them being the same type of case as iran, i guess i see the only similarity is that they are both tragic. iran's fight is so different being that it's over an election. in addition, we have such a history with iran. not a good one at that...we're not liked as it is for our past meddling. this has fueled a lot of hatred with them when it comes to us. they could be on the verge of a civil war in which they really need to work out on their own. if things are extremely out of hand, we need to consult the united nations to discuss how or if anything can be done. we definitely do not need to overstep. this is just how i see it. i do think that we all agree that we condemn what is going on over there. at least i hope. morally it's not right at all. addressing that we are watching and strongly wording things toward them is one thing and fine as i see it..but that's about it. so in my opinion neither should get action w/out consulting the united nations and i do think they are different overall with the only similarity of being tragic. That makes sense, and I agree. I have two friends who have always said they believe the gov should go in and force the Darfur/Africa situation into compliance with the UN. And then this weekend I was listening the the rdaio and someone called in and said, if people believe this about Darfur, hoe can they be against gov interference in Iran? Both consist of oppressed citizens being forced into genocide. No one called in to answer their take, so I was thinking maybe the answer is as simple as Darfur is in just so much worse shape. But to me, Iran has the most possibility of affecting our own nation, for no other reason that we have such a history with them. I couldn't really think of a tangible reason for one being physically intervened by us and not the other. i definitely understand the concerns over iran. however i feel neither of them should be intervened by us. we should comply & be in discussion with the united nations. we just have too much going on over here. although iran makes threats to us, they are not as much of a threat as some people may think. especially right now - while they are a divided nation, they definitely won't be as fixated on us until that is resolved. i am alot more concerned with north korea. they are a threat as i see it. we just need to really keep an eye on things with them. i think we are definitely thinking things through (when it comes to iran) and we keep letting them know the world is aware of what is going on over there but otherwise we need to work on our own country in the meantime. just my thoughts. |
grits1976 |
I find it interesting that the signage is in English not in Farsi (sp), which is their native language. I think that this is a sign to the world that they want some sort of intervention but I don't think they need it. |
alwaysEJ |
This is a good article about Iran. It is Pat Buchanan, however I don't think it is highly partisan. He discusses the situation in Iran & what the recent 'election' means, & his only mentions of Obama are not, IMO, at all critical. |
cats meow |
Quote alwaysEJ: This is a good article about Iran. It is Pat Buchanan, however I don't think it is highly partisan. He discusses the situation in Iran & what the recent 'election' means, & his only mentions of Obama are not, IMO, at all critical. He concludes with this: Obama offers the regime a way out. They may exercise their right to peaceful nuclear power, have sanctions lifted and receive security guarantees, if they can prove they have no nuclear weapons program and will cease subverting through their Hezbollah-Hamas proxies the peace process Obama is pursuing between Israel and Palestine. If Iran refuses Obama's offer, she will start down a road at the end of which are severe sanctions, escalation and a war that Obama does not want and Iran cannot want -- for the winner will not be Iran. I encourage you to read the whole article. www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=32408 'Ten Days That Shook Tehran' well, once again i could not copy and paste, i did however type in humanevents.com and found it, i think it was very informative, it was great to read an article like this for a change, wish more would follow his example...on both sides |
Touched |
Quote sarahconnor: Diplomats credited Obama with having avoided giving the regime an excuse to blame the turmoil on the Americans. Diplomats and politicians would be wrong on this issue! Iran and countries like it, will always use the United States as a rallying cry for every person or authority thatuses terror as a means of coercion! |
JTsahottie |
I don't think we need to physically be involved. But I always thought we should have said something about not condoning the killing of innocent people. FINALLY the president said something last night... it took him long enough.... but I guess he didn't want to look bad in the eyes of the Iranian government. |
lovesit |
So today Ahma-demon-job bashes Obama, saying he is handling things just like Bush did. What, the fact that a week later Obama finally condemned Demon-job's actions, that is like Bush? I don't see it. |
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alwaysEJ |
Quote lovesit: So today Ahma-demon-job bashes Obama, saying he is handling things just like Bush did. What, the fact that a week later Obama finally condemned Demon-job's actions, that is like Bush? I don't see it. The oppressed citizens have now lost their leader, as he announced he is under pressure to not protest anymore, which means they have threatened the lives of him and his family. So now we will have a baby N. Korea totalitarianship growing. It doesn't matter who is president of the U.S. in the eyes of Iran. The idea that much would change with Iran (or any other rogue nation) b/c Obama became president is borne of hatred for Bush, not a realistic assessment of Iran or their leaders. Iran's leader has called on Obama to apologize for his words denouncing the killing of innocents who protested the faux election & has compared him to Bush. What we do & say, & who our president is, does not matter to these people. They will hate us regardless. We promote freedom & democracy, & they hate us for that. Even if we only promote free & open elections with our words & condemn the killing of protesters, as Obama did, they will lash out & demand an apology. Who cares what Iran thinks of us. It's like trying to please a person who isn't going to like you or cut you any slack no matter what you do or say. The idea that if we just didn't use words like 'evil' Iran (or North Korea) would shape up is wishful thinking. The idea that Iran behaves as they do b/c Bush said they are evil is an attempt to place blame on Bush rather than where it belongs - on the rogue dictator killing his own people. I believe America is superior to Iran. I believe the ideals we hold are superior to those of the leaders of Iran, who kill their own people in the streets for protesting an election. I hope my president feels the same way, & I hope he feels a duty to promote American ideals that is superior to any urge he has to not be seen as 'mean' or 'meddlesome' or 'like George W.' Editing to add - I believe our government is superior to their government. I think there are many good people in Iran, God bless them, who want the same freedoms we have - & they are losing their lives over it. People want to be free - it's a basic human desire & I think America is a great place b/c it recognizes that need. I wish Iran's leaders would do the same. It is something all people, everywhere, deserve. |
bigtimesoapfan |
ITA!!! Excellent post!! |
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lovesit |
Agreed. |
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lovesit |
The execution of all "rebel" leaders has been called for by some of Iran's top officials, declaring that is a just punishment for protesting against the government, or as they worded it, God. Its just getting worse for them. |
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