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Quote lovesit: Yes, I have heard stories that vets are waiting for treatments, facilities, etc. and it really is a shame there is such a backlog. Makes me wonder about the old addage about the squeeky wheel - yes, it can go both ways, it either gets replaced or fixed. In any event (I'm not a vet so don't deal directly with the VA), but I also know that even in private practice, if you don't get answers, stick to it until you get results or answers. Noone will fight as hard for you as you yourself!
Quote Eppy: Quote lovesit: Quote Eppy: Wow, your experience with the VA system is quite different from my friend's father's. He, in his 90's, developed a very serious health problem which took my friend back to Florida to care for him. He obtained excellent medical treatment and care at the VA hospital there, and is what could be termed, stable. She brought him back with her (Calif) to continue caring for him in her home. They had to transfer all his records, test results, x-rays, scans, etc. and Physicians reports. This was all done in an extremely timely manner and by the time they got here, everything was on record locally. All they had to do was make an appt. with a VA doctor and continue on as if there had been no break in treatment. His new doctor, a woman was so pleased to have a man of his age to care for as he is still very spry and independent. Of course, he fell in love with her, LOL! Anyway, I think a lot of GOOD things can be said of the VA too!! Not at all. I thought I posted this earlier, but I didn't check so here goes. I've been very lucky in my experiences with the VA. All of my grand parents have received adaquate care, not the best, but adaquate. When I go with them, although I have never been impressed with the doctor's care or interest in my grand parents, they have never been mistreated in any way. But that doesn't make me live in any less fear of what is happening as a whole to the VA system. My grand parents may have scraped by unscathed, but I have plenty of younger family members who are just getting into the system, and I worry. But absolutely, they are still providing a magnificent service. But if there were a specific hospital out there who kept getting class action lawsuits pinned against them, I would advocate a change in leadership for them as well. Curious, how long ago was this? Two weeks ago they put out a report on the extreme back log of claims waiting to be put through, but I think those claims are for the more recent vets from Irag and Afghan. My cousin is one if those waiting who is on year 5 now from first hitting his head when his parachute did not deploy. He hit his head so hard they never found his helmet. He has had bleeding of the brain for 5 years which causes chronic migraines, and is still waiting on a decision from the VA. Although not life threatening, I believe 5 years is a little too long. And he broke his leg in that same fall, and had to wait until just last year to get the required surgery! That is my only personal bad experience. The more I think about it, the more I kind of like the idea about public reviews/audits of these insurance companies. We all have a general idea of which companies are better than others, but if we really knew we could be more educated about where we want to work and live. The turnover within companies would force them to choose the most affordable coverage for their employess. You asked how long ago? Six weeks ago. He is scheduled to get a Shuttle bus from here to LA on Wednesday for a full body scan, ear cleaning and new hearing aid. Thank goodness they changed the day from Tuesday to Wednesday because traffic would have been horrendeous for the Michael Jackson memorial. I'm sorry for your negative experiences - especially with respect to current veterans who are not receiving timely or proper treatment. What area are you talking about? We are all in the Houston area. Its funny you mentioned hearing aids. My grandmother has been waiting about 6 months to see if she can get one approved (she is legally deaf). I didn't mention it b/c it really is not that big a deal - she can hear half of the time, and the other half she just says the bluntest, rudest things, so its no problem for me if she really can't hear in the first place! But the more I read, the more I interpret the back log and waiting to be more for the more recent vets. |
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A former student of mine (a Harvard graduate, class of 2003), lost his lower left leg in an attack in Iraq about 1 1/2 years ago. His other leg was mangled, and in really bad shape. |
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Quote lovesit: OK, I don't know what search engine you were using, but I still find a plethora of results. My only problem is choosing which one to post. Here is one that gives all the states involved in the HIV scare, which is much more than the city of Miami. www.pritzkerlaw.com/Prostate_Biopsy/ When finding that link, I came across a new lawsuit involving over-radiated patients and cancer. www.newsinferno.com/archives/7572#more-7572 And here is a link to when the backlog started, which was 600,000 about 3 years ago. www.dralegal.org/cases/public_entities/VCS_v_VA.php Here is my take from my fresh research. Most trouble seems to have started in 2002, leading me to believe the VA was simply not prepared for the Iraq/Afghan war. OK, understandable. Not so understandable 7 years later. Especially when the gov wants us to believe they can provide quality competition to current insurance companies. Also, the VA seems to behave like a spoiled brat who always has a parent to bail them out - whenever they have a lawsuit filed against them, they pay a massive settlement out of court to deter away from the attention. This doesn't solve anything, which leads to more problems, hense the current trend of class action lawsuits. Plus, they are now $20mil in the hole b/c they just lost a computer which had all the patient files in it. That I know is an easy one to find a link to. So I still firmly believe another gov sponsored system is not he way to go, especially when it is starting to possibly infringe upon my own health. The more these hospitals and doctors get away with exposing and over-radiating and not even treating, how do I know I will not contract Hepatitis, die while waiting for my claim to go through, or get shot by a recently returned vet who did not get the mental health care he needed before he went on a wild rampage? Or get my identity stolen due to some schlep who left my info hanging out in public? I know these are all possibilities in life regardless, but when you have the chance to minimize them, you should, and we aren't even trying. But I'm done in here for a while, I know I'm starting to hog this page - sorry. Regarding the first link, yes, there was more hospitals that sent out the letter, but IT IS NOT because someone who was positive for Hep. B or HIV had the procedure. It is because the VA recognised that thier procedure for sterlization of this piece of equipment made by this particular manufacturer was inadequate. The risk was VERY minimal, and I think it was a good thing and shows that they are deligent in examining the systems and protocols that they have in place and notifying their paients of any inadequecy they find. Better then not having a through system in place and covering things up! The second link concerning the one VA hospital in Philadelphia, and the one out of many doctors there doing this procedure "seeding" too much radiation into the prostate due to not recognizing that the machine's gauge was broken, is an isolated incident that could have happened in any big city hospital. The third link from 7/23/2007 about the vets in California who have had to wait years for the millitary and VA to list them as disabled in order for them to get needed government benifits; I agree it is shameful!! Do you have an update on the situation, since the article id from almost two years ago? As for a single payer healthcare system, as another poster stated, the government will not be running the hospitals, but only supplying the funding. Your doctor will be determining the type of care you need, not a giant health insurance company. THANKS again for taking the time to post these links. I hope to continue our discussion on this very important issue. I just feel we need to look at things logically and not give into unwarrented hysteria. |
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Quote lovesit: ff Re: your last para. about giving the gov any more healthcare responsibility. Providing the uninsured health care coverage is not to be compared to giving the government health care responsibility. The health care responsibility will still be up to private enterprise - same as it is now. The government will not be running the healthcare system! Apples and oranges.
Here is a most recent link, which is from a pretty hostile source about the VA, so please don't associate my thinking with this site. It was just a factual article, so I chose it. www.vawatchdog.org/09/nf09/nfmay09/nf051209-1.htm Pretty sad. But I dont want ya'll thinking I blame the doctors/staff. I only blame the environment they are forced to work in. A hospital is only as good as its funding and allocation of those funds. And you're right, if we look at these as isolated incidents they can be seen as being handled efficiently, but they never should have happened in the first place, and they aren't isolated anymore. Over-worked and under-paid workers can only be stretched so far, especially when they are being enabled and coddled. The system is just taking a dramatic downfall and I think we should fix that before anyone gives the gov any more healthcare responsibility. I'm really not trying to cause histeria, I just think people don't realize the way the gov is already sponsoring this other system. It used to be very good. |
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Quote Eppy: Quote lovesit: ff Re: your last para. about giving the gov any more healthcare responsibility. Providing the uninsured health care coverage is not to be compared to giving the government health care responsibility. The health care responsibility will still be up to private enterprise - same as it is now. The government will not be running the healthcare system! Apples and oranges. Here is a most recent link, which is from a pretty hostile source about the VA, so please don't associate my thinking with this site. It was just a factual article, so I chose it. www.vawatchdog.org/09/nf09/nfmay09/nf051209-1.htm Pretty sad. But I dont want ya'll thinking I blame the doctors/staff. I only blame the environment they are forced to work in. A hospital is only as good as its funding and allocation of those funds. And you're right, if we look at these as isolated incidents they can be seen as being handled efficiently, but they never should have happened in the first place, and they aren't isolated anymore. Over-worked and under-paid workers can only be stretched so far, especially when they are being enabled and coddled. The system is just taking a dramatic downfall and I think we should fix that before anyone gives the gov any more healthcare responsibility. I'm really not trying to cause histeria, I just think people don't realize the way the gov is already sponsoring this other system. It used to be very good. They're both fruit picked by the same hand! I know that literally the gov officials allocating and generating the funds are not the ones directly handling patients, and that the gov officials will not be making any new hospitals or taking any current ones over. Believe me, when you provide the money, it is you who is running the game. One of our clients just gave us $30 grand for 3 days of work and is telling us what to do, yet we are the scientists/doctors and keep trying to tell them what they want is not possible. But its their funds they are throwing away, as well as the possibility to generate this drug in a timely manner. Once this fails - and it will- we will be forced to start over. See the line I'm drawing? You can only work with what you are given, despite all these patients that need your help. And where are these spontaneous funds going to come from, anyway? I am to believe we have this hidden fund bank? I thought we just went 100 thousand billion trillion in the hole from all the bailouts? The gov funds for the VA also just went $20 million in the hole. And Obama is also saying he wants another stimulus package! Who/what is going to suffer to generate these funds? I can assure you it will not be the government or its officials. Oh well, as long as I don't have to choose it. All I can say anymore is good luck. |
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Quote lovesit: Well, I suppose we can draw the parallel with Medicare - participants pay premiums, pay deductibles and shares of cost, just like any other insurance program. The difference being, the government negociates the contracts with providers - same as any other insurance company does. The difference.... people under the government plan cannot be denied treatment for pre-existing conditions or at the whim of an insurance pencil pusher, cannot be denied their own choice of doctor, or choice of treating facility or find themselves being overcharged. Please believe me, Medicare is not a give-away or an 'entitlement' program as such! I'm on medicare and I have already, this year with premiums, deductibles, and shares of costs, paid plenty so far. Thank God tho, with the governments negociating powers, they have managed to control the amount the patient has to pay. That's the way to save Medicare in the future and provide coverage for the uninsured by controlling the costs, and preventing untreated conditions that would eventually cost an enormous amount to treat in late stages. Check the Medicare formulary and see if it wouldn't be a good model.
Quote Eppy: Quote lovesit: ff Re: your last para. about giving the gov any more healthcare responsibility. Providing the uninsured health care coverage is not to be compared to giving the government health care responsibility. The health care responsibility will still be up to private enterprise - same as it is now. The government will not be running the healthcare system! Apples and oranges. Here is a most recent link, which is from a pretty hostile source about the VA, so please don't associate my thinking with this site. It was just a factual article, so I chose it. www.vawatchdog.org/09/nf09/nfmay09/nf051209-1.htm Pretty sad. But I dont want ya'll thinking I blame the doctors/staff. I only blame the environment they are forced to work in. A hospital is only as good as its funding and allocation of those funds. And you're right, if we look at these as isolated incidents they can be seen as being handled efficiently, but they never should have happened in the first place, and they aren't isolated anymore. Over-worked and under-paid workers can only be stretched so far, especially when they are being enabled and coddled. The system is just taking a dramatic downfall and I think we should fix that before anyone gives the gov any more healthcare responsibility. I'm really not trying to cause histeria, I just think people don't realize the way the gov is already sponsoring this other system. It used to be very good. They're both fruit picked by the same hand! I know that literally the gov officials allocating and generating the funds are not the ones directly handling patients, and that the gov officials will not be making any new hospitals or taking any current ones over. Believe me, when you provide the money, it is you who is running the game. One of our clients just gave us $30 grand for 3 days of work and is telling us what to do, yet we are the scientists/doctors and keep trying to tell them what they want is not possible. But its their funds they are throwing away, as well as the possibility to generate this drug in a timely manner. Once this fails - and it will- we will be forced to start over. See the line I'm drawing? You can only work with what you are given, despite all these patients that need your help. And where are these spontaneous funds going to come from, anyway? I am to believe we have this hidden fund bank? I thought we just went 100 thousand billion trillion in the hole from all the bailouts? The gov funds for the VA also just went $20 million in the hole. And Obama is also saying he wants another stimulus package! Who/what is going to suffer to generate these funds? I can assure you it will not be the government or its officials. Oh well, as long as I don't have to choose it. All I can say anymore is good luck. |
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I've actually already thought about that, and I can only come to one conclusion. If one is so much better than the other, why do they not deem it mecessary to fix the bad? Why do they deem it necessary at all at this point to generate yet another system? My conclusion: more funding responsibility = more power. Why else would they not fix the bad before moving on? It's not because there are unhealthy/uninsured people out there, otherwise we'd fix the old before generating the new. |
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Quote lovesit: I've actually already thought about that, and I can only come to one conclusion. If one is so much better than the other, why do they not deem it mecessary to fix the bad? Why do they deem it necessary at all at this point to generate yet another system? My conclusion: more funding responsibility = more power. Why else would they not fix the bad before moving on? It's not because there are unhealthy/uninsured people out there, otherwise we'd fix the old before generating the new. Maybe the VA administration should come up with the answers since they administer the VA program. Or, maybe someone should set a fire under them to shape up or ship out! But, why should other programs be put on hold until this happens. Like I said, how do you think insurance companies roll in dough?...through premiums and negociated contracts with providers. Premiums that are reasonably priced, deductibles, co-pays, and cost containment is what will help sustain the government's proposed program. Don't know how much more plain I can be!
Regardless of our opinions, I really am curious where these funds are going to come from? Has Obama said? I haven't read that anywhere. Anyone know? |
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Quote Eppy: Quote lovesit: I've actually already thought about that, and I can only come to one conclusion. If one is so much better than the other, why do they not deem it mecessary to fix the bad? Why do they deem it necessary at all at this point to generate yet another system? My conclusion: more funding responsibility = more power. Why else would they not fix the bad before moving on? It's not because there are unhealthy/uninsured people out there, otherwise we'd fix the old before generating the new. Maybe the VA administration should come up with the answers since they administer the VA program. Or, maybe someone should set a fire under them to shape up or ship out! But, why should other programs be put on hold until this happens. Like I said, how do you think insurance companies roll in dough?...through premiums and negociated contracts with providers. Premiums that are reasonably priced, deductibles, co-pays, and cost containment is what will help sustain the government's proposed program. Don't know how much more plain I can be! Regardless of our opinions, I really am curious where these funds are going to come from? Has Obama said? I haven't read that anywhere. Anyone know? Who do you think the VA administration answers to? They can't use any money (time) to solve anything unless its approved, hence the current wave of decline. Regardless, I'll keep enjoying my independent insurance with a $250 deductible, and you and other supporters can join the new gov sponsored care (if it ever gets approved). I can't be any plainer either. |
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Well, I guess you're saying, too bad for the uninsured or uninsurable. That's pretty plain. It's nice you do have insurance you can keep! |
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Quote Eppy: Well, I guess you're saying, too bad for the uninsured or uninsurable. That's pretty plain. It's nice you do have insurance you can keep! Yes, thats exactly what I'm saying. I hope no one but those of us rich healthy folk have health insurance... SERIOUSLY??? Lets not turn this into something its not by putting words into my posts that aren't there, please. I think we've exhausted ourselves with our examples and reasons as to why we feel the way we do about gov sponsored healthcare (not some made up opinion of mine that there should be no reform at all). We want the same thing, we just disagree on how we should get there, so lets just leave it at that. |
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Quote lovesit: Quote Eppy: Well, I guess you're saying, too bad for the uninsured or uninsurable. That's pretty plain. It's nice you do have insurance you can keep! Yes, thats exactly what I'm saying. I hope no one but those of us rich healthy folk have health insurance... SERIOUSLY??? Lets not turn this into something its not by putting words into my posts that aren't there, please. I think we've exhausted ourselves with our examples and reasons as to why we feel the way we do about gov sponsored healthcare (not some made up opinion of mine that there should be no reform at all). We want the same thing, we just disagree on how we should get there, so lets just leave it at that. My point is that many feel those who are uninsured are poor or just plain deadbeats. I'm not attributing you as suggesting that or anything else. Many uninsured are working folks who have not been given the opportunity to obtain insurance thru work or otherwise. It was not my intention to put words in your mouth. I was merely trying to clarify what you were suggesting. Sorry if you were upset by my remarks! |
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Well, I did interpret our post to be saying that you somehow believed I was saying that. So since I'm wrong I'm sorry. I just don't want anyone to think that just because I'm opposed to using gov funds for a new system I am somehow against a new system, or that I am downgrading the people who can't afford the one we already have. On the contrary, I think these people simply deserve better care than what I believe they would get. |
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