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Quote Sunnydaz: I'm going to try and make this short and sweet. I'm a subcontractor (hairstylist) my husband is also a subcontractor (new construction) and neither one of us has health insurance. I'm a diabetic. The other day i was at work when the phone rang. I picked it up. It was a man named Schmeggaschmeg (thats what i'm going to call him) he asked for the owners of the salon i said i'm sorry they are busy can i help you.....he replied by asking me if he could ask me a few questions about my health insurance and if he could quote me a price from his company....i said, well i dont have any but i'll answer a few questions and find out about yours....he proceeded with his questions, my age, smoker?, (i dont smoke cigs), if i have any serious deceases such as cancer, diabetes etc....i answered yes i have diabetes....he said.....oh thank you for your time, and hung up. I cant tell you how aweful that made me feel. I want something, anything. I read some of the comments here and someone said they have an HMO that pays everything, their premiums are low but the Doctors are questionable. I'd be THRILLED knowing i had at least that. That's a terrible situation to be in, I wish you the best of luck. Unfortunatly even peole who have health insurance through their employers come to find when they get very ill, that the insurance they have does not cover the majority of their bills. One of the biggest causes of bankrupty in this country is medical costs. |
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Quote Sunnydaz: I'm going to try and make this short and sweet. I'm a subcontractor (hairstylist) my husband is also a subcontractor (new construction) and neither one of us has health insurance. I'm a diabetic. The other day i was at work when the phone rang. I picked it up. It was a man named Schmeggaschmeg (thats what i'm going to call him) he asked for the owners of the salon i said i'm sorry they are busy can i help you.....he replied by asking me if he could ask me a few questions about my health insurance and if he could quote me a price from his company....i said, well i dont have any but i'll answer a few questions and find out about yours....he proceeded with his questions, my age, smoker?, (i dont smoke cigs), if i have any serious deceases such as cancer, diabetes etc....i answered yes i have diabetes....he said.....oh thank you for your time, and hung up. I cant tell you how aweful that made me feel. I want something, anything. I read some of the comments here and someone said they have an HMO that pays everything, their premiums are low but the Doctors are questionable. I'd be THRILLED knowing i had at least that. I agree with you 100% Sunny. People who want to complain about there being lines and having to wait for a doctor should try not even having the oportunity to do that. When you have no insurance you are basically screwed. I would GLADLY stand in those lines AND see whatever doctor I could just to get care. It beats the hell out of having nothing. Everyone with insurance needs to stop and think of what they would do if they lost it tomorrow. What if they got sick? Statistics show that 65% of all bankruptcies are due to medical bills. Everyone who is against healthcare for everyone should imagine themselves or a loved one with cancer or another terminal illness and no money for treatment. And no, there is not welfare to pay for this at all. Unless you are living on the street with kids you cannot get help. If you have a job and no kids you are on your own. The childrens hospital in Ohio would not take a local newborn for treatment till her family came up with a $65,000 deposit. You see, they were unisured so it is like "let the baby die cause we want our money first". The child was going to die without the surgery but no one in the medical facility cared. It is money first for people who are uninsured. Fund raisers where held for a month trying to raise money for her to go get her surgeries. She could have died waiting but the doctors needed their almighty dollar. So basically what I am saying is until you are sick or dying or a loved one is and you have no way to get them treatment, you have no idea what it is like. Please put yourself in the shoes of those who are dying needlessly because they don't have insurance. Imagine that you too are walking around right now not having even seen a doctor in years. You don't know if you are ok or if you could drop dead tomorrow from something you can not get diagnoised. I know a single mother who cannot not even get medicaid because her gross income is more than $425 per month. For 2 people that is the cut off. To anyone who has insurance you should consider yourself very lucky. I think that everyone deserves to have their health or at least the knowledge of are they are healthy or not. Think of all the people that bp meds could have saved if it had been treated. I don't want anyone to die because they are out of the insurance loop. Do any of you really think that it is ok for people who can't afford insurance just to die way before their time? I mean really how can people not care that others are suffering and dying? I don't understand it at all. We send billions of dollars every year to Africa and other countries while our own are suffering. Not quite right imo. I say use that money on our own soil. When Americans are ALL taken care of THEN we can send money to other countries. Everyone deserves a chance to live their lives as long and as healthy as they are able too. Now we just need to make them able to do this... |
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Quote francisfarmerpostlob: Quote cats meow: good news from crooks and liars Americans overwhelmingly support substantial changes to the health care system and are strongly behind one of the most contentious proposals Congress is considering, a government-run insurance plan to compete with private insurers, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll. The poll found that most Americans would be willing to pay higher taxes so everyone could have health insurance and that they said the government could do a better job of holding down health-care costs than the private sector. proud to say i am one of them I support this too, and just a quick reply to post #33 on this page, the type of health care in single payer or unioversal health care is not like what the millitary provides through the VA. It is what congress and the senate recieve, and tax payer pay for and it's GREAT!!! You should check out what they get! Most Americans do support a government universal coverage program for all citizens, unfortunatly Obama does not! What Obama supports is a crony corporate system run by the insurance and pharmacutical companies that would leave most people without adequate coverage, and the poorest with the least coverage. Obama is nothing more then a corporate democrat, who lied in order to get elected. I know the systems would be different, but the only commonality I care about is the gov control. To me, they have already shown they can't handle being in control of our health (controlling their own health is quite a different thread, with them voting their own salaries and such). If there is another non-gov way for reform, I would support it as long as it benefits the majority by making it more accessible, or as long as the gov did not have majority control. BTW, Obama just announced his deal with big pharmaceuticals today. |
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...this is my take....people who go to a hosp regardless of having insurance or not are given the help they need. The doc's all take a vow to do no harm and they will treat all who enter. That being said, they don't and can't follow up with the patients care. That is up to the patient to get that care on their own. There are many doc's that do accept medicaid, but there are those who don't. Some people don't qualify for medicaid because they work, but don't make enough for insurance or as Sunny said she is a private contractor who cannot afford the premiums to pay for her own health insurance. Something definatey has to be done so that those who are working their trade, ( a trade that is soo needed) are offered a reasonable rate for their insurance. Nothing is free, but to have a law that the rates are reasonable will help all of the people like Sunny and the like. |
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Quote rei1: ...this is my take....people who go to a hosp regardless of having insurance or not are given the help they need. The doc's all take a vow to do no harm and they will treat all who enter. That being said, they don't and can't follow up with the patients care. That is up to the patient to get that care on their own. There are many doc's that do accept medicaid, but there are those who don't. Some people don't qualify for medicaid because they work, but don't make enough for insurance or as Sunny said she is a private contractor who cannot afford the premiums to pay for her own health insurance. Something definatey has to be done so that those who are working their trade, ( a trade that is soo needed) are offered a reasonable rate for their insurance. Nothing is free, but to have a law that the rates are reasonable will help all of the people like Sunny and the like. I have a BIL that is suffering from MS and he is getting worse by the day because of a stipulation of a so called "spend Down" no one can understand why he is cut off of medication for two weeks every three months, during that time he has horrendious seizures...it sets him back for weeks and also deterioates his brain activity...this is the health care that we presently have..and it's not working ..... if something is to be done then the Insurance that is available now..needs major reconstruction. Someone else mentioned what the government does with Veterens..and that's not pretty either. I say those who have insurance through their work ..Keep it, and those who don't have it..let there be a program that makes the cost to the person a reasonable cost, like the ones who work for companys that provide insurance. We pay alot for our coverage, but it's better than not having it. rei1 you actually just touched on something i've been saying for the loooongest time. i said this before obama. if we can not provide adequate healthcare to everyone then we need programs (for those who qualify) to bridge the gap between medicaid and healhcare. as for who qualifies and who does not would have to be worked out but i have always been in favor of figuring something out along those lines. Sunny's case is a perfect example of this. it's just not set up well at all..there is quite a large gap - it may not be perfect but i do think we can figure out something to bridge this. |
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Quote sarahconnor: Quote rei1: ...this is my take....people who go to a hosp regardless of having insurance or not are given the help they need. The doc's all take a vow to do no harm and they will treat all who enter. That being said, they don't and can't follow up with the patients care. That is up to the patient to get that care on their own. There are many doc's that do accept medicaid, but there are those who don't. Some people don't qualify for medicaid because they work, but don't make enough for insurance or as Sunny said she is a private contractor who cannot afford the premiums to pay for her own health insurance. Something definatey has to be done so that those who are working their trade, ( a trade that is soo needed) are offered a reasonable rate for their insurance. Nothing is free, but to have a law that the rates are reasonable will help all of the people like Sunny and the like. I have a BIL that is suffering from MS and he is getting worse by the day because of a stipulation of a so called "spend Down" no one can understand why he is cut off of medication for two weeks every three months, during that time he has horrendious seizures...it sets him back for weeks and also deterioates his brain activity...this is the health care that we presently have..and it's not working ..... if something is to be done then the Insurance that is available now..needs major reconstruction. Someone else mentioned what the government does with Veterens..and that's not pretty either. I say those who have insurance through their work ..Keep it, and those who don't have it..let there be a program that makes the cost to the person a reasonable cost, like the ones who work for companys that provide insurance. We pay alot for our coverage, but it's better than not having it. rei1 you actually just touched on something i've been saying for the loooongest time. i said this before obama. if we can not provide adequate healthcare to everyone then we need programs (for those who qualify) to bridge the gap between medicaid and healhcare. as for who qualifies and who does not would have to be worked out but i have always been in favor of figuring something out along those lines. Sunny's case is a perfect example of this. it's just not set up well at all..there is quite a large gap - it may not be perfect but i do think we can figure out something to bridge this. I agree. I retired due to poor health before I was quite old enough for a pension or Medicare. Insurance agents told me I was uninsurable b/c I am an insulin-dependent diabetic & that my teen-aged daughter also was b/c she took an expensive med for depression. Fortunately I fell in love and married a younger man who can get insurance for us both thru his job but last year I found I had breast cancer & paid nearly $17,000 out of pocket, even with group health insurance. This would be a catastrophe for some folks & was not exactly pleasant for me. Surely there is a better way. For the first 20 years I paid health insurance I did not cost the company anything at all. Now when I need it, the co-pays are sky high. |
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for those that are against gov't controlled health insurance, i would like to know what their suggestions are.....it certainly cannot be the status quo, that sure as he!! isn't working, i will be waiting to hear your ideas |
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I don't really care( not to be mean) if the gov. steps in or not. all I care about is not losing any more of my hard earned $$. My state has taxed us enough!!(IMO). I would probably be interested in a gov. plan as long as it's bettet then the one I have. If it's not I'D rather stick with what ive got and keep it @ the same cost. Thats the bad part (imo) I get mine through work and every year it goes up but the benefits decline. What's up with that!!? That is what the gov. should look into(and possibly cut out) the Insurence companies!! In my mind I think that would make more $$ because your taking out the middle man!! |
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Quote bigtimesoapfan: I don't really care( not to be mean) if the gov. steps in or not. all I care about is not losing any more of my hard earned $$. My state has taxed us enough!!(IMO). I would probably be interested in a gov. plan as long as it's bettet then the one I have. If it's not I'D rather stick with what ive got and keep it @ the same cost. Thats the bad part (imo) I get mine through work and every year it goes up but the benefits decline. What's up with that!!? That is what the gov. should look into(and possibly cut out) the Insurence companies!! In my mind I think that would make more $$ because your taking out the middle man!! if what you are saying is... improve the system any way that is necessary, i am for that as well |
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Quote cats meow: for those that are against gov't controlled health insurance, i would like to know what their suggestions are.....it certainly cannot be the status quo, that sure as he!! isn't working, i will be waiting to hear your ideas If they haven't already died yet I will go ask the thousands of vets who just contracted the HIV virus through gov. ran hospitals who cannot attract quality doctors or equipment. Or the guy who walked around for years with a hole in his head waiting for a qualified doctor willing to be hired by the gov. to perform his brain surgery. Or I could talk to the hundreds of thousands of people still waiting on the US gov to get up to speed and process their medical claims. I'm not against reform, just against a system where it is mostly ran by the gov. If the gov. can minimally step in and "audit" it, per se, I would go for that. Other than that, I work for big pharmaceuticals, and I know how expensive every thing has gotten. Medicine is ridiculous to generate, takes years, and every year the supplies to make them increases. I'm not saying we aren't getting screwed by the insurance companies, but there are legitimate cost increases in there. My only suggestion is for the economy as a whole to become more affordable, but I won't pretend to know how to get that accomplished. I just firmly believe I know how not to accompliosh that. |
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Quote lovesit: Quote cats meow: for those that are against gov't controlled health insurance, i would like to know what their suggestions are.....it certainly cannot be the status quo, that sure as he!! isn't working, i will be waiting to hear your ideas If they haven't already died yet I will go ask the thousands of vets who just contracted the HIV virus through gov. ran hospitals who cannot attract quality doctors or equipment. Or the guy who walked around for years with a hole in his head waiting for a qualified doctor willing to be hired by the gov. to perform his brain surgery. Or I could talk to the hundreds of thousands of people still waiting on the US gov to get up to speed and process their medical claims. I'm not against reform, just against a system where it is mostly ran by the gov. If the gov. can minimally step in and "audit" it, per se, I would go for that. Other than that, I work for big pharmaceuticals, and I know how expensive every thing has gotten. Medicine is ridiculous to generate, takes years, and every year the supplies to make them increases. I'm not saying we aren't getting screwed by the insurance companies, but there are legitimate cost increases in there. My only suggestion is for the economy as a whole to become more affordable, but I won't pretend to know how to get that accomplished. I just firmly believe I know how not to accompliosh that. No vet has contracted HIV through government run hospitals!! Making things up only makes your opposition to single payer health care seem like you have to make things up in order to justify your opinion. PLEASE stick with facts!! |
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Actually, I have a small idea that might already be in place, IDK. Maybe the insurance companies could be audited and have the results be made public? The more the company gives people the shaft, the more people quit/refuse to accept a job b/c they already know how crappy their health insurance is. Eventually, the business will have to stop using said insurance and find a better one. |
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in my opinion, if you don't have a solution, don't dismiss an idea to fix a problem, and i certainly do not think any drug companies are hurting in any way |
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I think everyone is getting a wrong idea about what government - sponsored medical care means. For example: I am currently on Medicare and pay a hefty premium (relative to income) to the medicare program for Medical and Presp. drug. Plus, at the beginning of each year, one must meet a deductible for each program (med. and presp), then one must also meet a deductible for each service and prescription. One thing I suppose you do not know is that each provider also adjusts the charges because it is medicare and that's what Medicare has negociated with providers. Just for an example: Say your bill amounted to $1,000. First off, medicare (thru negiotiations) determined that service was only worth $500.00. So, the provider esentially 'eats' the other $500.00 through adjustments. Then, after adjustment, Medicare pays 80% of the remaining 500.00 which equals $400.00 for Medicare and 20% or $100.00 for the patient to pay. It is the clout that the government has with the providers to negociate |
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Quote Eppy: I think everyone is getting a wrong idea about what government - sponsored medical care means. For example: I am currently on Medicare and pay a hefty premium (relative to income) to the medicare program for Medical and Presp. drug. Plus, at the beginning of each year, one must meet a deductible for each program (med. and presp), then one must also meet a deductible for each service and prescription. One thing I suppose you do not know is that each provider also adjusts the charges because it is medicare and that's what Medicare has negociated with providers. Just for an example: Say your bill amounted to $1,000. First off, medicare (thru negiotiations) determined that service was only worth $500.00. So, the provider esentially 'eats' the other $500.00 through adjustments. Then, after adjustment, Medicare pays 80% of the remaining 500.00 which equals $400.00 for Medicare and 20% or $100.00 for the patient to pay. It is the clout that the government has with the providers to negociate the terms of the amount the service is worth. Please believe me, Medicare is not an entitlement or handout. With preminums plus co-pays, this year, despite medicare, I have paid hundreds in co-pays. I suspect that a government sponsored health program for others would work the same way, and the goverment would have some clout to control costs as well! Many diffferent private insurance companies underwrite the Medicare program. It's not just government dollars - it still requires some financial responsibility on the part of the recepient as well. Another benefit is that there are no restrictions as to which physician you can see or which facility you may need. I think the best way to keep medical costs down is to have negociated terms and what better way to get a handle on the high medical costs than to have a huge bundle of the population involved in a cost-saving program. Also, you can keep your own insurance if you like it better, or you could move it around from job to job. What's not to like about that? A second benefit - the healthier the population, the lower the medical care costs on the front end. Overcharges have been attempted in the past from unscrupulous providers (mostly the State Medicaid Programs), but an all-encompassing, negociated, standardized pricing method would go a long way in eliminating that problem as well. Medicare isn't as bad a program as some would suggest. It will run out of money in the future if it isn't fixed and as medical costs continue to rise! PS. For paitents who have no insurance and clog up the emergency room (which is the most expensive service), having a guaranteed insurance program would probably prevent a large amount of ER visits just to see a dr. for a minor medical issue. Now if that isn't cost-saving for everyone (hosptial included), I don't know what is. thank you for your post, you really cleared allot of things up, so many of us have been so uninformed |
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