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Gov't sponsored Health Care
Started by cats meow at 2009/06/15 09:49AMLatest post: 2009/08/03 06:34PM, Views: 1996, Replies: 155
pnchc |
[quote]Quote alwaysEJ: [quote]Quote cats meow: just to let you know, i did not post in bold lettering, i have no idea how that happened, i believe any decent human being should be willing to help out your fellow man, i try to do a random act of kindness as often as i can, and if our taxes go up(and i live in nys, the tax capital of the world),so be it, if it will get every american proper health care, i am willing to do it[/quo |
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pnchc |
Quote wannazach: Quote Sunnydaz: I'm going to try and make this short and sweet. I'm a subcontractor (hairstylist) my husband is also a subcontractor (new construction) and neither one of us has health insurance. I'm a diabetic. The other day i was at work when the phone rang. I picked it up. It was a man named Schmeggaschmeg (thats what i'm going to call him) he asked for the owners of the salon i said i'm sorry they are busy can i help you.....he replied by asking me if he could ask me a few questions about my health insurance and if he could quote me a price from his company....i said, well i dont have any but i'll answer a few questions and find out about yours....he proceeded with his questions, my age, smoker?, (i dont smoke cigs), if i have any serious deceases such as cancer, diabetes etc....i answered yes i have diabetes....he said.....oh thank you for your time, and hung up. I cant tell you how aweful that made me feel. I want something, anything. I read some of the comments here and someone said they have an HMO that pays everything, their premiums are low but the Doctors are questionable. I'd be THRILLED knowing i had at least that. I agree with you 100% Sunny. People who want to complain about there being lines and having to wait for a doctor should try not even having the oportunity to do that. When you have no insurance you are basically screwed. I would GLADLY stand in those lines AND see whatever doctor I could just to get care. It beats the hell out of having nothing. Everyone with insurance needs to stop and think of what they would do if they lost it tomorrow. What if they got sick? Statistics show that 65% of all bankruptcies are due to medical bills. Everyone who is against healthcare for everyone should imagine themselves or a loved one with cancer or another terminal illness and no money for treatment. And no, there is not welfare to pay for this at all. Unless you are living on the street with kids you cannot get help. If you have a job and no kids you are on your own. The childrens hospital in Ohio would not take a local newborn for treatment till her family came up with a $65,000 deposit. You see, they were unisured so it is like "let the baby die cause we want our money first". The child was going to die without the surgery but no one in the medical facility cared. It is money first for people who are uninsured. Fund raisers where held for a month trying to raise money for her to go get her surgeries. She could have died waiting but the doctors needed their almighty dollar. So basically what I am saying is until you are sick or dying or a loved one is and you have no way to get them treatment, you have no idea what it is like. Please put yourself in the shoes of those who are dying needlessly because they don't have insurance. Imagine that you too are walking around right now not having even seen a doctor in years. You don't know if you are ok or if you could drop dead tomorrow from something you can not get diagnoised. I know a single mother who cannot not even get medicaid because her gross income is more than $425 per month. For 2 people that is the cut off. To anyone who has insurance you should consider yourself very lucky. I think that everyone deserves to have their health or at least the knowledge of are they are healthy or not. Think of all the people that bp meds could have saved if it had been treated. I don't want anyone to die because they are out of the insurance loop. Do any of you really think that it is ok for people who can't afford insurance just to die way before their time? I mean really how can people not care that others are suffering and dying? I don't understand it at all. We send billions of dollars every year to Africa and other countries while our own are suffering. Not quite right imo. I say use that money on our own soil. When Americans are ALL taken care of THEN we can send money to other countries. Everyone deserves a chance to live their lives as long and as healthy as they are able too. Now we just need to make them able to do this... hi' wannazach' good to see you again. i havn't seen you on the MB in a long time. i agree with you in full in every thing you said. yes' we should be taken care of here in the us first and then the other contrys ohio sounds a lot like new jersey where there to get medicade if there on wellfair, they have to have children but if they dont even have children, they cant get medicaid. they would have to get pregant or move here to new york where no one is turnd away to get it. new york has the highest number of people getting madicade new york pays the highest then any other state in the us. here if there income is $905 or less, they will get it. we will help get them on it. i will support it, but not an the government control, deciding how i live then i rather not have it at all and i wont support it when they want to tell us how we will live or die. |
baileysmommy |
[quote]Quote pnchc: [quote]Quote alwaysEJ: [quote]Quote cats meow: just to let you know, i did not post in bold lettering, i have no idea how that happened, i believe any decent human being should be willing to help out your fellow man, i try to do a random act of kindness as often as i can, and if our taxes go up(and i live in nys, the tax capital of the world),so be it, if it will get every american proper health care, i am willing to do it[/quo |
lovesit |
My radio station said it passed through the Senate on Friday night. Nothin like late night "reading!" |
alwaysEJ |
Quote lovesit: My radio station said it passed through the Senate on Friday night. Nothin like late night "reading!" the Senate? I read it made it through committee in the House but the full House hasn't voted yet. www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D99PPHV80&show_article=1 |
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lovesit |
Quote alwaysEJ: Quote lovesit: My radio station said it passed through the Senate on Friday night. Nothin like late night "reading!" the Senate? I read it made it through committee in the House but the full House hasn't voted yet. www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D99PPHV80&show_article=1 I'm sure you're right. I was listening half-heartedly and did no look it up for myself. I should probably not do that again with somehting of this magnitude. |
Tammer |
Canadian here, love our health care system! I have a family member that needs a kidney transplant, she never had to be "approved" by our government for anything! Thankfully we have great hospitals here that she will get her surgery and will NOT have to worry about how she will pay for it! |
Eppy |
francisf....and pnche. Excuse me, but I believe you were being terribly rude and condescending to catsmeow for calling her out for what she does or does not post or comment about. She (and anyone else) is free to start a thread and free to post as she wishes. You sound like a couple school girls dishing on another. Why don't you stick to the point? |
cats meow |
Quote Eppy: francisf....and pnche. Excuse me, but I believe you were being terribly rude and condescending to catsmeow for calling her out for what she does or does not post or comment about. She (and anyone else) is free to start a thread and free to post as she wishes. You sound like a couple school girls dishing on another. Why don't you stick to the point? thanks for getting my back, we cat people have to stick together 
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wannazach |
Quote Tammer: Canadian here, love or health care system! I have a family member that needs a kidney transplant, she never had to be "approved" by our government for anything! Thankfully we have great hospitals here that she will get her surgery and will NOT have to worry about how she will pay for it! My Dad had to have emergency heart surgery, and he is unemployed..how would he pay for this and be able to eat? I love it here, yes there are issues, cutbacks etc. but all in all its great! That's all I have to say on the subject.  YOU ROCK Canada!!! |
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wannazach |
The thing that ticks me off the most is the HUGE number of people already getting their healthcare from the government and are b^itching about this. Medicaid and Medicare people do not have to worry about getting treated for cancer or a million other diseased because they are covered. Seems like those who have their health needs all taken care of should care about rest who can't afford and are dying daily in droves because of it. Guess it is too much to ask for everyone to care about others instead of just themselves. If only there was some compassion in their minds and hearts for people dying when the care is not affordable for them. Personally if I were covered with any insurance I would be fighting like hell for the less fortunate. But sadly that is not the way of us all... |
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lovesit |
Quote wannazach: The thing that ticks me off the most is the HUGE number of people already getting their healthcare from the government and are b^itching about this. Medicaid and Medicare people do not have to worry about getting treated for cancer or a million other diseased because they are covered. Seems like those who have their health needs all taken care of should care about rest who can't afford and are dying daily in droves because of it. Guess it is too much to ask for everyone to care about others instead of just themselves. If only there was some compassion in their minds and hearts for people dying when the care is not affordable for them. Personally if I were covered with any insurance I would be fighting like hell for the less fortunate. But sadly that is not the way of us all... I'm covered (not by gov), and am bi(hing about this. Not b/c I don't have compassion, though. For me, its the opposite of that. I feel every single person deserves quality healthcare, I just happen to believe that is not what they will get with this plan - not in the USA. We don't run like Canada or Australia. We have a huge population of people taking from our tax system when they don't contribute to it. But if its what the people want, so it shall be. As long as I am not forced into it. But I will totally sleep better at night knowing I am paying for the lazy person who abuses welfare and food stamps, or the illegal who has no incentive to follow the law. |
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Eppy |
Quote wannazach: The thing that ticks me off the most is the HUGE number of people already getting their healthcare from the government and are b^itching about this. Medicaid and Medicare people do not have to worry about getting treated for cancer or a million other diseased because they are covered. Seems like those who have their health needs all taken care of should care about rest who can't afford and are dying daily in droves because of it. Guess it is too much to ask for everyone to care about others instead of just themselves. If only there was some compassion in their minds and hearts for people dying when the care is not affordable for them. Personally if I were covered with any insurance I would be fighting like hell for the less fortunate. But sadly that is not the way of us all... Boy, not me Wanna. I'm getting medicare and I'm not bitching about covering the uninsured. Even with having medicare, I pay with premimums and shares of cost and deductibles, around (averaged for the year), 350-400 a month. That isn't exactly free care on a limited income to boot. I think there are a lot of people who receive medical care through government programs who are happy to fight your fight. Most of us have been there ourselves.
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alwaysEJ |
Quote lovesit: Quote wannazach: The thing that ticks me off the most is the HUGE number of people already getting their healthcare from the government and are b^itching about this. Medicaid and Medicare people do not have to worry about getting treated for cancer or a million other diseased because they are covered. Seems like those who have their health needs all taken care of should care about rest who can't afford and are dying daily in droves because of it. Guess it is too much to ask for everyone to care about others instead of just themselves. If only there was some compassion in their minds and hearts for people dying when the care is not affordable for them. Personally if I were covered with any insurance I would be fighting like hell for the less fortunate. But sadly that is not the way of us all... I'm covered (not by gov), and am bi(hing about this. Not b/c I don't have compassion, though. For me, its the opposite of that. I feel every single person deserves quality healthcare, I just happen to believe that is not what they will get with this plan - not in the USA. We don't run like Canada or Australia. We have a huge population of people taking from our tax system when they don't contribute to it. But if its what the people want, so it shall be. As long as I am not forced into it. But I will totally sleep better at night knowing I am paying for the lazy person who abuses welfare and food stamps, or the illegal who has no incentive to follow the law. Well guess what? They've found a way to pay for health care (well sort of...I say no way raising taxes on the middle class will fund all of it, but it sounds like they're willing to try)! finance.yahoo.com/news/2-Obama-officials-No- apf-2491158742.html?x=0&.v=7 They're considering raising taxes on the middle class, which I believe includes people making less than the magic number $250,000. - WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Barack Obama's treasury secretary said Sunday he cannot rule out higher taxes to help tame an exploding budget deficit, and his chief economic adviser would not dismiss raising them on middle-class Americans as part of a health care overhaul. As the White House sought to balance campaign rhetoric with governing, officials appeared willing to extend unemployment benefits. With former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan saying he is "pretty sure we've already seen the bottom" of the recession, Obama aides sought to defend the economic stimulus and calm a jittery public. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and National Economic Council Director Larry Summers both sidestepped questions on Obama's intentions about taxes. Geithner said the White House was not ready to rule out a tax hike to lower the federal deficit; Summers said Obama's proposed health care overhaul needs funding from somewhere. "There is a lot that can happen over time," Summers said, adding that the administration believes "it is never a good idea to absolutely rule things out, no matter what." During his presidential campaign, Obama repeatedly vowed "you will not see any of your taxes increase one single dime." But the simple reality remains that his ambitious overhaul of how Americans receive health care -- promised without increasing the federal deficit -- must be paid for. I am just shocked. Floored. I mean he promised. |
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lovesit |
Quote alwaysEJ: Quote lovesit: Quote wannazach: The thing that ticks me off the most is the HUGE number of people already getting their healthcare from the government and are b^itching about this. Medicaid and Medicare people do not have to worry about getting treated for cancer or a million other diseased because they are covered. Seems like those who have their health needs all taken care of should care about rest who can't afford and are dying daily in droves because of it. Guess it is too much to ask for everyone to care about others instead of just themselves. If only there was some compassion in their minds and hearts for people dying when the care is not affordable for them. Personally if I were covered with any insurance I would be fighting like hell for the less fortunate. But sadly that is not the way of us all... I'm covered (not by gov), and am bi(hing about this. Not b/c I don't have compassion, though. For me, its the opposite of that. I feel every single person deserves quality healthcare, I just happen to believe that is not what they will get with this plan - not in the USA. We don't run like Canada or Australia. We have a huge population of people taking from our tax system when they don't contribute to it. But if its what the people want, so it shall be. As long as I am not forced into it. But I will totally sleep better at night knowing I am paying for the lazy person who abuses welfare and food stamps, or the illegal who has no incentive to follow the law. Well guess what? They've found a way to pay for health care (well sort of...I say no way raising taxes on the middle class will fund all of it, but it sounds like they're willing to try)! finance.yahoo.com/news/2-Obama-officials-No- apf-2491158742.html?x=0&.v=7 They're considering raising taxes on the middle class, which I believe includes people making less than the magic number $250,000. - WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Barack Obama's treasury secretary said Sunday he cannot rule out higher taxes to help tame an exploding budget deficit, and his chief economic adviser would not dismiss raising them on middle-class Americans as part of a health care overhaul. As the White House sought to balance campaign rhetoric with governing, officials appeared willing to extend unemployment benefits. With former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan saying he is "pretty sure we've already seen the bottom" of the recession, Obama aides sought to defend the economic stimulus and calm a jittery public. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and National Economic Council Director Larry Summers both sidestepped questions on Obama's intentions about taxes. Geithner said the White House was not ready to rule out a tax hike to lower the federal deficit; Summers said Obama's proposed health care overhaul needs funding from somewhere. "There is a lot that can happen over time," Summers said, adding that the administration believes "it is never a good idea to absolutely rule things out, no matter what." During his presidential campaign, Obama repeatedly vowed "you will not see any of your taxes increase one single dime." But the simple reality remains that his ambitious overhaul of how Americans receive health care -- promised without increasing the federal deficit -- must be paid for. I am just shocked. Floored. I mean he promised. I don't even know what to say anymore. The road to the third-world nation is paved with the best intentions? |
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