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CLOSED: Birthers

Started by cats meow at 2009/06/12 11:39AM
Latest post: 2009/06/16 01:18AM, Views: 1042, Replies: 86
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#51   2009/06/15 04:37PM
Re: Birthers
sarahconnor
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Quote alwaysEJ: Ok, I am assuming this is what is meant be 'not being subtle' -

she is pretty disgusting isn't she?

only a nasty nasty *tch of a person could say something like that.

i just don't have my head stuck up in my a**

...this person is one of the most arrogant and cold hearted of all time.


You fill my mouth w/words I never said. I have posted a great deal regarding Katrina in this thread (a subject you brought up). I do believe it was a terrible lesson in how inept the government is to help people in a time like that & that when people assume the govt. will help, results are tragic. I didn't have my head in my a** when I was in the PMAC on LSU's campus for several weeks helping those who fled the storm. The folks there said a lot to me...but nothing was said about me being cold hearted.


yes very good, i'm not subtle. I would rather be like "me" than you.

and i brought Katrina up BECAUSE it was YOU that said we helped out soooo many other countries. it was an example of why were #1 in your eyes. I said i agreed with that but we failed our own country when it came to Katrina. you can play stupid all day long if you want.



THEN YOU SAID in post #23 - bottom . YOUR WORDS::

I don't think Katrina has much to do with foreign nations acquiring nukes. It's not as if North Korea or Iran should be given a free pass for a nuke b/c the city of New Orleans fell apart after Katrina. I live in Louisiana. These were the main issues regarding Katrina:

-residents were told to leave, & many didn't, even those who had vehicles or other means of leaving...there are a lot of defiant people in New Orleans who ride out hurricanes & don't listen to warnings, & until Katrina, they'd always been ok -Ray Nagin, the inept mayor, did not mobilize school buses at his disposal fast enough to organize evacuation of residents who had no other way out

-then governor Kathleen Blanco waited too long to cede power to the federal govt. to take control

- the feds cannot intervene in a situation until that state's governor grants permission -and, I don't for a moment think Bush did everything right, however regardless of who is president, who seriously thinks it is the job of the president of the U.S. to make sure they leave town when they're told to? I mean I would never expect that of anyone, esp. the president (or the governor, for that matter)

The moral of Katrina is this: don't count on the government, state or federal, to rescue you when times are tough.

YOUR WORDS..that sounds as cold hearted as it gets.

#52   2009/06/15 04:43PM
Re: Birthers
alwaysEJ
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Quote sarahconnor:
Quote alwaysEJ: Ok, I am assuming this is what is meant be 'not being subtle' -

she is pretty disgusting isn't she?

only a nasty nasty *tch of a person could say something like that.

i just don't have my head stuck up in my a**

...this person is one of the most arrogant and cold hearted of all time.


You fill my mouth w/words I never said. I have posted a great deal regarding Katrina in this thread (a subject you brought up). I do believe it was a terrible lesson in how inept the government is to help people in a time like that & that when people assume the govt. will help, results are tragic. I didn't have my head in my a** when I was in the PMAC on LSU's campus for several weeks helping those who fled the storm. The folks there said a lot to me...but nothing was said about me being cold hearted.


yes very good, i'm not subtle. I would rather be like "me" than you.

and i brought Katrina up BECAUSE it was YOU that said we helped out soooo many other countries. it was an example of why were #1 in your eyes. I said i agreed with that but we failed our own country when it came to Katrina. you can play stupid all day long if you want.



THEN YOU SAID in post #23 - bottom . YOUR WORDS::

I don't think Katrina has much to do with foreign nations acquiring nukes. It's not as if North Korea or Iran should be given a free pass for a nuke b/c the city of New Orleans fell apart after Katrina. I live in Louisiana. These were the main issues regarding Katrina:

-residents were told to leave, & many didn't, even those who had vehicles or other means of leaving...there are a lot of defiant people in New Orleans who ride out hurricanes & don't listen to warnings, & until Katrina, they'd always been ok -Ray Nagin, the inept mayor, did not mobilize school buses at his disposal fast enough to organize evacuation of residents who had no other way out

-then governor Kathleen Blanco waited too long to cede power to the federal govt. to take control

- the feds cannot intervene in a situation until that state's governor grants permission -and, I don't for a moment think Bush did everything right, however regardless of who is president, who seriously thinks it is the job of the president of the U.S. to make sure they leave town when they're told to? I mean I would never expect that of anyone, esp. the president (or the governor, for that matter)

The moral of Katrina is this: don't count on the government, state or federal, to rescue you when times are tough.

YOUR WORDS..that sounds as cold hearted as it gets.


You act like I was rejoicing in the streets over the mess after Katrina. I listed all the things that went wrong, I posted in another reply to Cats about the attitude toward hurricanes in NO, & that private citizens & govt. both did not prepare & did not take the threat seriously enough until it was too late. That is explanation of the situation...& yes, I think it's a good thing to note that the government is not as all powerful in situations like that - dealing w/mother nature - as we might think & it is foolish to think they will always be able to rescue you. Ask anyone who survived Katrina...they will say the same thing. It doesn't mean they thought anyone deserved to die, it means they are realistic about why things went so badly.

#53   2009/06/15 04:44PM
Re: Birthers
Plot-Twister
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My last post was a little mean. I apologize for being intentionally cruel. (hmmm, that didn't hurt a bit)

I can debate all day long about issues. It is when things get personal, even in a veiled way that I get ticked off.

And yeah, I would call those quotes you pulled out of sarahconnors posts examples of not being subtle. But I don't see how that is her putting words in your mouth. She was responding to me and my posts most likely. She, like myself and a few other posters, call em like we see em. We don't twist words, that only happens when you get caught and try to wriggle out of the position you are in. You don't want to get banned...cool, I get that. But stop with the veiled digs, because they aren't so veiled.

#54   2009/06/15 04:47PM
Re: Birthers
Plot-Twister
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Quote alwaysEJ:
Quote sarahconnor:
Quote alwaysEJ: Ok, I am assuming this is what is meant be 'not being subtle' -

she is pretty disgusting isn't she?

only a nasty nasty *tch of a person could say something like that.

i just don't have my head stuck up in my a**

...this person is one of the most arrogant and cold hearted of all time.


You fill my mouth w/words I never said. I have posted a great deal regarding Katrina in this thread (a subject you brought up). I do believe it was a terrible lesson in how inept the government is to help people in a time like that & that when people assume the govt. will help, results are tragic. I didn't have my head in my a** when I was in the PMAC on LSU's campus for several weeks helping those who fled the storm. The folks there said a lot to me...but nothing was said about me being cold hearted.


yes very good, i'm not subtle. I would rather be like "me" than you.

and i brought Katrina up BECAUSE it was YOU that said we helped out soooo many other countries. it was an example of why were #1 in your eyes. I said i agreed with that but we failed our own country when it came to Katrina. you can play stupid all day long if you want.



THEN YOU SAID in post #23 - bottom . YOUR WORDS::

I don't think Katrina has much to do with foreign nations acquiring nukes. It's not as if North Korea or Iran should be given a free pass for a nuke b/c the city of New Orleans fell apart after Katrina. I live in Louisiana. These were the main issues regarding Katrina:

-residents were told to leave, & many didn't, even those who had vehicles or other means of leaving...there are a lot of defiant people in New Orleans who ride out hurricanes & don't listen to warnings, & until Katrina, they'd always been ok -Ray Nagin, the inept mayor, did not mobilize school buses at his disposal fast enough to organize evacuation of residents who had no other way out

-then governor Kathleen Blanco waited too long to cede power to the federal govt. to take control

- the feds cannot intervene in a situation until that state's governor grants permission -and, I don't for a moment think Bush did everything right, however regardless of who is president, who seriously thinks it is the job of the president of the U.S. to make sure they leave town when they're told to? I mean I would never expect that of anyone, esp. the president (or the governor, for that matter)

The moral of Katrina is this: don't count on the government, state or federal, to rescue you when times are tough.

YOUR WORDS..that sounds as cold hearted as it gets.


You act like I was rejoicing in the streets over the mess after Katrina. I listed all the things that went wrong, I posted in another reply to Cats about the attitude toward hurricanes in NO, & that private citizens & govt. both did not prepare & did not take the threat seriously enough until it was too late. That is explanation of the situation...& yes, I think it's a good thing to note that the government is not as all powerful in situations like that - dealing w/mother nature - as we might think & it is foolish to think they will always be able to rescue you. Ask anyone who survived Katrina...they will say the same thing. It doesn't mean they thought anyone deserved to die, it means they are realistic about why things went so badly.


Here is what I don't understand....How can you say what you said above and then in another breath say that we can basically play god with N Korea and Iran etc.

#55   2009/06/15 04:52PM
Re: Birthers
alwaysEJ
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Quote Plot-Twister: My last post was a little mean. I apologize for being intentionally cruel. (hmmm, that didn't hurt a bit)

I can debate all day long about issues. It is when things get personal, even in a veiled way that I get ticked off.

And yeah, I would call those quotes you pulled out of sarahconnors posts examples of not being subtle. But I don't see how that is her putting words in your mouth. She was responding to me and my posts most likely. She, like myself and a few other posters, call em like we see em. We don't twist words, that only happens when you get caught and try to wriggle out of the position you are in. You don't want to get banned...cool, I get that. But stop with the veiled digs, because they aren't so veiled.


I didn't mean her posts I quoted were words put in my mouth...I meant they were examples of not being subtle.


I am not always proud of everything I post - but when I am NOT at all trying to offend or rile anyone up, I get the third degree & I get nasty. So I am going to say I am a better person than most of you think I am, you can believe me or not, & if I continue to post, I am staying out of the fray. It's just ridiculous, & I am neck deep in it with everyone else. There are so many things in my life that I am happy about, & this is just something I don't need. We tend to bring out the worst in one another. So, for my part, I am done.

#56   2009/06/15 04:54PM
Re: Birthers
sarahconnor
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sorry but whatever you say now will never override

The moral of Katrina is this: don't count on the government, state or federal, to rescue you when times are tough.

basically that entire post was about shaming all of those victims for being so stupid. they made a mistake. i can't sit there and actually shame these people for a mistake. lesson learned...when gustav was even mentioned, people were out of there and traffic was lined up for days. that was a hard lesson to learn. our government (who does mighty nice things for other countries and never failed florida, etc) FAILED the katrina victims. flat out failed. they were victims who needed their country and left to rot. not perpertrators of some crime as you almost make them sound like. part of me thinks you secretly DID take satisfaction in the demise of those victims. who cares? they should have left...if they and their children rot in a disgusting center, so be it. they should have listened and should not expect the government to help. don't count on help when you make a mistake.

#57   2009/06/15 05:05PM
Re: Birthers
gommie
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Katrina is another example of the attitudes of so many that the government will solve all their problems in the face of the facts that time after time the jobs that government takes on are done improperly and ALWAYS ABOVE COST ESTIMATE....

#58   2009/06/15 05:19PM
Re: Birthers
raving
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Holy crap-a-doo!!!!.....I see why a certain posters eyes are brown! ( or must be)
My goodness.....it does ALMOST make me laugh, that, that same poster thinks they are so subtle....or that we wont really get what they-re really about and what they are really saying.....I guess someone is very lucky that the staff here at soaps.com are apparently the ones "not getting it"...
of course let me just say this is my opinion.....just an opinion of how I see things.....something tells me I am dead right though.....good to know some of you are carrying guns too btw,,,...Cra-zy town.....I am just visiting....

#59   2009/06/15 05:20PM
Re: Birthers
gommie
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Quote alwaysEJ:
Quote Plot-Twister: My last post was a little mean. I apologize for being intentionally cruel. (hmmm, that didn't hurt a bit)

I can debate all day long about issues. It is when things get personal, even in a veiled way that I get ticked off.

And yeah, I would call those quotes you pulled out of sarahconnors posts examples of not being subtle. But I don't see how that is her putting words in your mouth. She was responding to me and my posts most likely. She, like myself and a few other posters, call em like we see em. We don't twist words, that only happens when you get caught and try to wriggle out of the position you are in. You don't want to get banned...cool, I get that. But stop with the veiled digs, because they aren't so veiled.


I didn't mean her posts I quoted were words put in my mouth...I meant they were examples of not being subtle.


I am not always proud of everything I post - but when I am NOT at all trying to offend or rile anyone up, I get the third degree & I get nasty. So I am going to say I am a better person than most of you think I am, you can believe me or not, & if I continue to post, I am staying out of the fray. It's just ridiculous, & I am neck deep in it with everyone else. There are so many things in my life that I am happy about, & this is just something I don't need. We tend to bring out the worst in one another. So, for my part, I am done.


I believe you to be a good person EJ- most of the posters here are, I believe ...it seems to me that a lot of accusations are being aimed at you that most are guilty of- and NOBODY here is innocent- before we start pointing fingers let us look in our own memory banks and maybe we will be reminded of the posting times when each of us was less than perfect and far from being fair or kind hearted........

#60   2009/06/15 05:35PM
Re: Birthers
sarahconnor
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Quote alwaysEJ:
Quote Plot-Twister: My last post was a little mean. I apologize for being intentionally cruel. (hmmm, that didn't hurt a bit)

I can debate all day long about issues. It is when things get personal, even in a veiled way that I get ticked off.

And yeah, I would call those quotes you pulled out of sarahconnors posts examples of not being subtle. But I don't see how that is her putting words in your mouth. She was responding to me and my posts most likely. She, like myself and a few other posters, call em like we see em. We don't twist words, that only happens when you get caught and try to wriggle out of the position you are in. You don't want to get banned...cool, I get that. But stop with the veiled digs, because they aren't so veiled.


I didn't mean her posts I quoted were words put in my mouth...I meant they were examples of not being subtle.


I am not always proud of everything I post - but when I am NOT at all trying to offend or rile anyone up, I get the third degree & I get nasty. So I am going to say I am a better person than most of you think I am, you can believe me or not, & if I continue to post, I am staying out of the fray. It's just ridiculous, & I am neck deep in it with everyone else. There are so many things in my life that I am happy about, & this is just something I don't need. We tend to bring out the worst in one another. So, for my part, I am done.


i think it's funny that you can't see that your words hurt plot when discussing the death penalty and why she took it personal. i don't see why you can't simply apologize just for hurting her feelings whether your opinions collide or not. plot is right, it's not hard, i apologized to lovesit way back in this thread..i was definitely snide at times due to misperceptions i could have made in her wording and there was no need for that. i apologized for anything rude i said in regards to "her" and went on with the regular debate.

and as for gommies comments about "kindness" i am very kind HOWEVER i am not to those who don't seem to be toward others.

#61   2009/06/15 09:47PM
Re: Birthers
StL Cardinal...
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These links have some great information why "Birthers" are concerned about about usurper Obama.

Obama Presidential Eligibility - An Introductory Primer

//people.mags.net/tonchen/birthers.htm

A review of the vulnerability of Obama’s refusal to practice the virtue of full disclosure:

/thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/aka-obama-fans-all-together-now-say-omg.html

Why Can't Obama Give a Simple and Truthful Answer to the Birth Certificate Question?

//puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/05/why-cant-obama-give-simple-and-truthful.html

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#62   2009/06/16 01:18AM
Re: Birthers
Kathryn (Admin)
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I have read through every single post on this thread, and there is SO much that needs to be addressed.

First of all, what is with the constant personal attacks? Personally attacking and degrading posters is 100% not acceptable on this site and I know for a fact that each and everyone of you posting in here knows that. It needs to end immediately.

Something I don’t understand is why old posts from different threads have to be brought up time and time again in threads that have nothing to do with it. Digging up old dirt certainly isn’t a way to have a healthy debate. That alone is asking for someone to get upset or to be offended. For a prime example, whether intentionally or not, this thread brought something up that was very offensive to a poster. It may have been brought up innocently but why risk bringing it up at all, it had nothing to do with the ORIGINAL post in this thread. If you honestly didn’t intend to offend then give an apology, it’s not going to kill you. I don’t understand why it is so hard for people to simply apologize and move on.

That brings me to my next point, stay on topic. When you go astray from the main point, all of this bickering happens. As it has been stated, there is no tone when typing online which leads room for misinterpretations. You have to be very careful when entering into online debates, it’s so easy for your posts to be misinterpreted.

Soaps.com is not a place for arguments, if you don’t enjoy posting with a user, then don’t interact with them at all. If there is tension and another user has asked to simply move on, then drop it. It’s absolutely ridiculous when someone apologizes and asks for you to move on to continue to constantly bring up an old post and try to get more negativity out of it. Just drop it.

My gosh, the negativity in this thread is absolutely ridiculous. Consider this a formal warning that anymore of this in other threads will result in immediate administrative action. This thread will remain closed.

Kathryn

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