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Started by cats meow at 2009/06/12 11:39AMLatest post: 2009/06/16 01:18AM, Views: 1051, Replies: 86
#21
2009/06/14 09:34PM
Re: Birthers
sarahconnor |
Quote lovesit: sarahconnor - no no no, I never meant for it to come across as me saying "You don't know? Well you should have known..." I meant for it to come across as "You don't know? Then you need to look it up b/c it changes a whole lot of things" Sorry, I continuously try to proof read my posts to make sure they can't come across as anything other than my intention, but it still happens. Lets see...I'll start with my "misattributed quotes," How are tehy misattributd of I cite their author? Second, about question about if I am for banned guns, etc. No, I am for no gun ban. Why? People kill people, guns don't. So I am for shutting down the person(s) acting dangerously who has the gun , or nuclear weapon, whatever the case may be. Shutting down those evil men who have nuclear devices, IMO, can hardly be considered "invading like the world is our playground" I see it as "saving our playground." Our problem is not "US" learning how to live with them, the problem is "them" learning how to not kill every one else. Where do we get this authority? The world gave it to us. We earned it. And we will always have it unless we give it away. And if we let evil people hold onto their nuclear "power plants," the world can easily take it away. As for this quote,"hey are nuts - but we can't do anything unless they made a move." I guess that is our fundamental difference. I believe we CAN do something about it. I don't believe in waiting for their inevitable strike. Don't worry, though, the president agrees with you, not me. For this: Please do not tell me how to think either but in regards to this I was speaking of the statement about his grandmother and where I had seen this information. I do conclude that they were right-wing "nut job" websites and never said there were not any left winged ones out there. Let’s get our facts straight before telling someone how to change their thought process shall we? I only put that point in there b/c you always bash the right, yet I have never heard you say anything negative bad about the left, and you want fairness don't you? I won't even try to debate the America is #1 thing. I will never see your view of down talking America, and you will not see my up talking. So in conclusion, I never meant for it to come across as me telling you how to think about anything. I only meant to keep up the debate. I think I got it all, but if not, I'll talk to you soon!  lovesit i have much to address in regards to this and there is much you didn't comprehend correctly which i have noticed to be a typical trend lately but i'll elaborate later. i have to go for now. fyi..by stating we are not #1, that is not "down" talking america.....it's stating the truth. of course you won't debate on that b/c you can't. i won't be as naive as you to say we can do as we please. so there you have it. if i bash the right more, it's b/c i see more flaws in that direction. i'm an independent that leans left. i am unapologetically straight forward with my opinions. if someone mentioned a left winged person i felt was not balanced, i'd say so. but for the most part i'm a lefty these days and on most topics. i will respond in full when i get the time. |
#22
2009/06/14 09:39PM
Re: Birthers
alwaysEJ |
You mentioned Katrina as an example of our failure as a nation, basically saying we can't take care of things here - help our own - so we shouldn't always poke our noses into other nation's business (if this was not the reason you mentioned Katrina, I suppose I, like lovesit, am part of the recent trend of not comprehending your posts). If you think of Katrina as a national failure, fine. I don't - but even if I agree that as a nation, we 'failed' after Katrina, I don't understand why that means we can't take a firm stand on international matters. It's not like we lose our right to deal with the international community b/c one of our cities falls apart after a natural disaster. |
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2009/06/14 09:53PM
#23
2009/06/14 09:46PM
Re: Birthers
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alwaysEJ |
If America is not No. 1, who is? Where do Iran & North Korea rank on the 'best nation' scale? In what categories do they eclipse America? Health care? Education? Free & open elections? Recreational activities? Armed forces? Capable leadership? Vacation spots? |
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2009/06/14 10:01PM
#24
2009/06/15 07:13AM
Re: Birthers
lovesit |
Quote sarahconnor: Quote lovesit: sarahconnor - no no no, I never meant for it to come across as me saying "You don't know? Well you should have known..." I meant for it to come across as "You don't know? Then you need to look it up b/c it changes a whole lot of things" Sorry, I continuously try to proof read my posts to make sure they can't come across as anything other than my intention, but it still happens. Lets see...I'll start with my "misattributed quotes," How are tehy misattributd of I cite their author? Second, about question about if I am for banned guns, etc. No, I am for no gun ban. Why? People kill people, guns don't. So I am for shutting down the person(s) acting dangerously who has the gun , or nuclear weapon, whatever the case may be. Shutting down those evil men who have nuclear devices, IMO, can hardly be considered "invading like the world is our playground" I see it as "saving our playground." Our problem is not "US" learning how to live with them, the problem is "them" learning how to not kill every one else. Where do we get this authority? The world gave it to us. We earned it. And we will always have it unless we give it away. And if we let evil people hold onto their nuclear "power plants," the world can easily take it away. As for this quote,"hey are nuts - but we can't do anything unless they made a move." I guess that is our fundamental difference. I believe we CAN do something about it. I don't believe in waiting for their inevitable strike. Don't worry, though, the president agrees with you, not me. For this: Please do not tell me how to think either but in regards to this I was speaking of the statement about his grandmother and where I had seen this information. I do conclude that they were right-wing "nut job" websites and never said there were not any left winged ones out there. Let’s get our facts straight before telling someone how to change their thought process shall we? I only put that point in there b/c you always bash the right, yet I have never heard you say anything negative bad about the left, and you want fairness don't you? I won't even try to debate the America is #1 thing. I will never see your view of down talking America, and you will not see my up talking. So in conclusion, I never meant for it to come across as me telling you how to think about anything. I only meant to keep up the debate. I think I got it all, but if not, I'll talk to you soon! lovesit i have much to address in regards to this and there is much you didn't comprehend correctly which i have noticed to be a typical trend lately but i'll elaborate later. i have to go for now. fyi..by stating we are not #1, that is not "down" talking america.....it's stating the truth. of course you won't debate on that b/c you can't. i won't be as naive as you to say we can do as we please. so there you have it. if i bash the right more, it's b/c i see more flaws in that direction. i'm an independent that leans left. i am unapologetically straight forward with my opinions. if someone mentioned a left winged person i felt was not balanced, i'd say so. but for the most part i'm a lefty these days and on most topics. i will respond in full when i get the time. Yes, I can debate America's status in the world. I just don't hae to rely on statistics for my side. Let me "dumb it down for you" (in your own words) In what other country can a woman, of ethnic minority, be born poor and make her own way in life? Where she can then choose her own doctor in a health care system that, while definately flawed, gives her freedom of choice? Where else can said woman ALSO buy and own property/land/shellter? Where else can she further have the opportunity to vote? And not just vote, but choose between a white man who was a "war hero," a white woman who was the former first lady, and a man of mixed racial descent??? If this does not at least show you my POV, well, at least I can admit although I see where you're coming from, I respectfully disagree. Also, to be an independent, as you claim, one must call out faults from all sides. You say you "mostly" bash the right? You only bash the right. But thats fine, thats just being a true good liberal. If I only bashed the left I would be being a true good conservative. Actually, don't bother coming back to me. I will not post with you on this subject any further, No one else, in all my posts over the years, ever misinterprets what I say the way you do, so it makes me wonder. Also, you get very rude, via my bolded parts from your posts, as only the most recent examples. So peace out and enjoy slumming it here in America, the #67 in the world. |
#25
2009/06/15 07:17AM
Re: Birthers
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lovesit |
Quote alwaysEJ: If America is not No. 1, who is? Where do Iran & North Korea rank on the 'best nation' scale? In what categories do they eclipse America? Health care? Education? Free & open elections? Recreational activities? Armed forces? Capable leadership? Vacation spots? and lovesit, I think you comprehend things just fine, despite the 'trend' others see in your posts Thanks, EJ. I even apologized to the girl and accepted responsibility for my apparent "bad wording", and I still get rudeness. Oh well. I am off to plan my welcome home party for my brother from Afghanistan, may he never hear some one say America is not the best. |
#26
2009/06/15 09:02AM
Re: Birthers
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sarahconnor |
Quote alwaysEJ: You mentioned Katrina as an example of our failure as a nation, basically saying we can't take care of things here - help our own - so we shouldn't always poke our noses into other nation's business (if this was not the reason you mentioned Katrina, I suppose I, like lovesit, am part of the recent trend of not comprehending your posts). If you think of Katrina as a national failure, fine. I don't - but even if I agree that as a nation, we 'failed' after Katrina, I don't understand why that means we can't take a firm stand on international matters. It's not like we lose our right to deal with the international community b/c one of our cities falls apart after a natural disaster. I took no joy in the children who suffered & died b/c of Katrina. I was filled with rage that their parents - who are responsible for their children, not the government - did nothing to help them. I would NEVER sit around & wait out a hurricane after being told to leave, especially when my decisions effect my children. The government's main responsibility was those levees. People were told the levees might be breeched, & they still stayed. That is not the government's fault. We live in a free society & if people want to ignore warnings & have no common sense, that's not the government's fault - it is sad that children had to suffer for their parent's stupidity. As for the fate of the ladies in North Korea, I believe the 2 journalists were over there doing something for Al Gore. Mistake No. 1. I would never go anywhere near North Korea & I certainly would not expect our current president to do anything about it were I thrown in jail. Does it mean I want those women in prison for 12 years? No. EJ..sigh. look at post #22. read it ALL. i was responding to a point you were trying to make your words: I love that quote from Tony Blair. Yes, we are a young nation...& in a few short years we were able to get our sh** together, build the worlds most formidable army, win two world wars, develop a nuclear weapon, send a man to the moon, topple the Soviet Union...we are the most generous nation in the world, sending aid all over the world to fight AIDS & poverty & send more than any other nation whenever there is a natural disaster. my response touched on this statement on many levels ..it wasn't until a later paragraph i said this: our country HAS done a lot of good things for other countries but that doesn't mean it comes with stipulations that allow us control. i also wish we could have done better for ourselves during certain tragedies such as with the entire "Katrina" mess. we failed our OWN people with that - what a shame. yet you pull that one statement out as if my comparison to the nukes are KATRINA? i was agreeing we do many great things but this doesn't mean we are the official rule maker for anyone b/c of that. AND b/c of this, how could we fail our own country so badly with Katrina? it was an example of how we failed ourselves. BUT your statements about Katrina...are still COLD and heartless. THE END - i hope i cleared it up b/c i'm NOT debating Katrina and the comparison of nukes (never was) and won't debate it no matter how you try to bait. read the REST of the post (#22!) where the real points are made. maybe they are too tough to debate tho?  awwww.
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2009/06/15 09:04AM
#27
2009/06/15 09:14AM
Re: Birthers
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alwaysEJ |
I was never comparing nuclear weapons to Katrina...since one is man made & one is a NATURAL disaster. |
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2009/06/15 09:18AM
#28
2009/06/15 09:16AM
Re: Birthers
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alwaysEJ |
Quote lovesit: Quote alwaysEJ: If America is not No. 1, who is? Where do Iran & North Korea rank on the 'best nation' scale? In what categories do they eclipse America? Health care? Education? Free & open elections? Recreational activities? Armed forces? Capable leadership? Vacation spots? and lovesit, I think you comprehend things just fine, despite the 'trend' others see in your posts Thanks, EJ. I even apologized to the girl and accepted responsibility for my apparent "bad wording", and I still get rudeness. Oh well. I am off to plan my welcome home party for my brother from Afghanistan, may he never hear some one say America is not the best. Hats off to your brother. As an American who didn't vote for Obama, I regret that your brother has to endure his own president apologizing for this country to nations who owe us, specifically men like your brother, a great deal. |
#29
2009/06/15 09:18AM
Re: Birthers
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sarahconnor |
Quote lovesit: Quote sarahconnor: Quote lovesit: sarahconnor - no no no, I never meant for it to come across as me saying "You don't know? Well you should have known..." I meant for it to come across as "You don't know? Then you need to look it up b/c it changes a whole lot of things" Sorry, I continuously try to proof read my posts to make sure they can't come across as anything other than my intention, but it still happens. Lets see...I'll start with my "misattributed quotes," How are tehy misattributd of I cite their author? Second, about question about if I am for banned guns, etc. No, I am for no gun ban. Why? People kill people, guns don't. So I am for shutting down the person(s) acting dangerously who has the gun , or nuclear weapon, whatever the case may be. Shutting down those evil men who have nuclear devices, IMO, can hardly be considered "invading like the world is our playground" I see it as "saving our playground." Our problem is not "US" learning how to live with them, the problem is "them" learning how to not kill every one else. Where do we get this authority? The world gave it to us. We earned it. And we will always have it unless we give it away. And if we let evil people hold onto their nuclear "power plants," the world can easily take it away. As for this quote,"hey are nuts - but we can't do anything unless they made a move." I guess that is our fundamental difference. I believe we CAN do something about it. I don't believe in waiting for their inevitable strike. Don't worry, though, the president agrees with you, not me. For this: Please do not tell me how to think either but in regards to this I was speaking of the statement about his grandmother and where I had seen this information. I do conclude that they were right-wing "nut job" websites and never said there were not any left winged ones out there. Let’s get our facts straight before telling someone how to change their thought process shall we? I only put that point in there b/c you always bash the right, yet I have never heard you say anything negative bad about the left, and you want fairness don't you? I won't even try to debate the America is #1 thing. I will never see your view of down talking America, and you will not see my up talking. So in conclusion, I never meant for it to come across as me telling you how to think about anything. I only meant to keep up the debate. I think I got it all, but if not, I'll talk to you soon! lovesit i have much to address in regards to this and there is much you didn't comprehend correctly which i have noticed to be a typical trend lately but i'll elaborate later. i have to go for now. fyi..by stating we are not #1, that is not "down" talking america.....it's stating the truth. of course you won't debate on that b/c you can't. i won't be as naive as you to say we can do as we please. so there you have it. if i bash the right more, it's b/c i see more flaws in that direction. i'm an independent that leans left. i am unapologetically straight forward with my opinions. if someone mentioned a left winged person i felt was not balanced, i'd say so. but for the most part i'm a lefty these days and on most topics. i will respond in full when i get the time. Yes, I can debate America's status in the world. I just don't hae to rely on statistics for my side. Let me "dumb it down for you" (in your own words) In what other country can a woman, of ethnic minority, be born poor and make her own way in life? Where she can then choose her own doctor in a health care system that, while definately flawed, gives her freedom of choice? Where else can said woman ALSO buy and own property/land/shellter? Where else can she further have the opportunity to vote? And not just vote, but choose between a white man who was a "war hero," a white woman who was the former first lady, and a man of mixed racial descent??? If this does not at least show you my POV, well, at least I can admit although I see where you're coming from, I respectfully disagree. Also, to be an independent, as you claim, one must call out faults from all sides. You say you "mostly" bash the right? You only bash the right. But thats fine, thats just being a true good liberal. If I only bashed the left I would be being a true good conservative. Actually, don't bother coming back to me. I will not post with you on this subject any further, No one else, in all my posts over the years, ever misinterprets what I say the way you do, so it makes me wonder. Also, you get very rude, via my bolded parts from your posts, as only the most recent examples. So peace out and enjoy slumming it here in America, the #67 in the world. Lovesit, i have been on this board longer than you and no one has misunderstood me prior or said so. i am mostly in the dem threads and rarely on as much these days anyway. to make the statement that you did, you must have seen all of my posts from day 1...have you? i have very little experience with you and i agree i'd like to keep it that way. there are no rules written that i must say something nice for every bash i make - if you don't like what i have to say you can simply not read it. moreover, if that's the case then why don't you say something to EJ or point her out? i see her mostly bashing the dem side..i think she holds the throne for that but i don't care b/c it's HER viewpoint. she doesn't have to answer to anyone b/c of it. i may not like her opinions or agree with them..ever....but she is entitled just as you are. there are no "rules" in which one must call out faults from all sides no matter what their stance is..i will if i see them & agree they are faults but lately i am more against rep. and it is what it is. 
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#30
2009/06/15 09:23AM
Re: Birthers
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sarahconnor |
Quote alwaysEJ: I was never comparing nuclear weapons to Katrina...since one is man made & one is a NATURAL disaster. Why did you mention Katrina? As I said, I assumed you mentioned it as an example of failure - America failing her own people. In a post about nuclear weapons & America policing the world, I can only assume you mention Katrina to point out that we can't even take care of our own, so why do we feel the need to police the world. I think this is flawed logic. What are your 'real' points? That Iran should be allowed to acquire a nuke? That North Korea is led by an idiot? That I am mean & lovesit can't understand your posts? Since we're all taking the rude, name-calling route, let me say that after reading some of your personal story elsewhere on the board & reading your responses to lovesit, who is nothing but considerate & patient with your posts, I do not care if you think I am heartless. I guess we all have our own definitions of what constitutes 'heartless.' indeed we do EJ. indeed. i would expect no less from you (you've been nasty to plot & others on many occassions) - since i really care more about what i will hmmmm wear out today than what you think in general, feel free. also it appears you do remember personal stories yet still group pedophiles as a whole who should die when you know of plot's story? |
#31
2009/06/15 09:27AM
Re: Birthers
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sarahconnor |
Quote alwaysEJ: I was never comparing nuclear weapons to Katrina...since one is man made & one is a NATURAL disaster. Why did you mention Katrina? As I said, I assumed you mentioned it as an example of failure - America failing her own people. In a post about nuclear weapons & America policing the world, I can only assume you mention Katrina to point out that we can't even take care of our own, so why do we feel the need to police the world. I think this is flawed logic. What are your 'real' points? That Iran should be allowed to acquire a nuke? That North Korea is led by an idiot? That I am mean & lovesit can't understand your posts? Since we're all taking the rude, name-calling route, let me say that after reading some of your personal story elsewhere on the board & reading your responses to lovesit, who is nothing but considerate & patient with your posts, I do not care if you think I am heartless. I guess we all have our own definitions of what constitutes 'heartless.' in addition, lovesit shared her personal story in which i was very kind ...i am far from mean. you can do that much better than me. you rarely say anything kind. i don't even think you really said much about anyone's personal story not that you had to. that's up to you. but your statements about the victims of katrina? NASTY. |
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2009/06/15 09:29AM
#32
2009/06/15 09:30AM
Re: Birthers
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alwaysEJ |
Quote sarahconnor: Quote alwaysEJ: I was never comparing nuclear weapons to Katrina...since one is man made & one is a NATURAL disaster. Why did you mention Katrina? As I said, I assumed you mentioned it as an example of failure - America failing her own people. In a post about nuclear weapons & America policing the world, I can only assume you mention Katrina to point out that we can't even take care of our own, so why do we feel the need to police the world. I think this is flawed logic. What are your 'real' points? That Iran should be allowed to acquire a nuke? That North Korea is led by an idiot? That I am mean & lovesit can't understand your posts? Since we're all taking the rude, name-calling route, let me say that after reading some of your personal story elsewhere on the board & reading your responses to lovesit, who is nothing but considerate & patient with your posts, I do not care if you think I am heartless. I guess we all have our own definitions of what constitutes 'heartless.' indeed we do EJ. indeed. i would expect no less from you (you've been nasty to plot & others on many occassions) - since i really care more about what i will hmmmm wear out today than what you think in general, feel free. also it appears you do remember personal stories yet still group pedophiles as a whole who should die when you know of plot's story? I remember personal stories when they include explanations of why it's ok to abort a baby...Plot's posts about her adopted son were a looooong time ago. Yes, I do believe people who rape children merit the death penality, especially if they then kill the child (the S.C. agrees with me on this one). I would be ok with locking them up forever, however there is always some loon on the left who comes along & thinks they can be 'rehabilitated' - which even Plot admits is not going to happen. I have no idea what Plot's son has done, & regardless it doesn't change my view that child rapists should be put away, forever, & I wouldn't lose sleep if they were executed but currently they have to kill their victim for execution to be allowed. If you rape a child, I'm just not going to lose sleep over what happens to you. |
#33
2009/06/15 09:30AM
Re: Birthers
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sarahconnor |
Quote alwaysEJ: If America is not No. 1, who is? Where do Iran & North Korea rank on the 'best nation' scale? In what categories do they eclipse America? Health care? Education? Free & open elections? Recreational activities? Armed forces? Capable leadership? Vacation spots? and lovesit, I think you comprehend things just fine, despite the 'trend' others see in your posts obviously north korea and IRAN would be bottom. give me a break. i am just not so arrogant to say WE are #1..whatever happened to France, England etc? sheeeeesh. |
#34
2009/06/15 09:34AM
Re: Birthers
cats meow |
i have a question concerning katrina, i was under the impression that many people could not get out because they did not own cars and there was not enough public transportation, i also recall that there were many school buses that were never used to get people out, am i mistaken? |
#35
2009/06/15 09:39AM
Re: Birthers
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alwaysEJ |
Quote cats meow: i have a question concerning katrina, i was under the impression that many people could not get out because they did not own cars and there was not enough public transportation, i also recall that there were many school buses that were never used to get people out, am i mistaken? Yeah I mentioned the buses. There were buses that could've been used, but the mayor - who is responsible at the local level for things like school buses - didn't move them until they were under water. That's how he got his name Ray 'school bus' Nagin. |
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