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sarahconnor, if i am repeating myself, sorry, may i just say there are a few posters that rock, and you are one of them

When I heard the first breath of that rumor, I found that it could be plausible. Upon further investigation I found that according to US law even if he wasn't born here in one of the 50 states, his mother held US citizenship and lived here 7 consecutive years before his birth so unless he has renounced this he is a citizen of the US, therefore eligible to run for pres..
While I don't think the Obama has the best interests of the country at heart I have to respect that he's the Pres.. I just have to hope that the American people come to that conclusion in 2012.

lovesit -

I love that quote from Tony Blair. Yes, we are a young nation...& in a few short years we were able to get our sh** together, build the worlds most formidable army, win two world wars, develop a nuclear weapon, send a man to the moon, topple the Soviet Union...we are the most generous nation in the world, sending aid all over the world to fight AIDS & poverty & send more than any other nation whenever there is a natural disaster.

And, you don't hear much about Iran's immigration problem. Apparently, there aren't many people clamoring to get into that country. Maybe the recent 'landslide reelection' of Ahmedenajad is giving potential immigrants second thoughts -

www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSEVA14340720090613?sp=true

The gravest mistake Obama can make - well, one of them - is to treat Iran & the Iranian government as if they are legit & have noble intentions.

This is a great article that details 'Iran's Election Charade':

www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=32262


Editing to add - No, Iran's threats to Israel aren't new, however our president is. If I were a rogue leader looking to try something & was irritated that the U.S. was always breathing down my neck...I'd be seriously considering trying something now.

Oh wanted to add that this whole 'natural born citizen' thing is likely to be an issue in the future. Not regarding Obama, but Arnold has mentioned in the past that he'd like to change the Constitution so he'd be allowed to run for president. If not him, it's likely there will be someone else who wants to change that rule.

sarahconnor - no no no, I never meant for it to come across as me saying "You don't know? Well you should have known..." I meant for it to come across as "You don't know? Then you need to look it up b/c it changes a whole lot of things"
Sorry, I continuously try to proof read my posts to make sure they can't come across as anything other than my intention, but it still happens.
Lets see...I'll start with my "misattributed quotes," How are tehy misattributd of I cite their author?
Second, about question about if I am for banned guns, etc. No, I am for no gun ban. Why? People kill people, guns don't. So I am for shutting down the person(s) acting dangerously who has the gun , or nuclear weapon, whatever the case may be.
Shutting down those evil men who have nuclear devices, IMO, can hardly be considered "invading like the world is our playground" I see it as "saving our playground." Our problem is not "US" learning how to live with them, the problem is "them" learning how to not kill every one else. Where do we get this authority? The world gave it to us. We earned it. And we will always have it unless we give it away. And if we let evil people hold onto their nuclear "power plants," the world can easily take it away.
As for this quote,"hey are nuts - but we can't do anything unless they made a move."
I guess that is our fundamental difference. I believe we CAN do something about it. I don't believe in waiting for their inevitable strike. Don't worry, though, the president agrees with you, not me.
For this:
Please do not tell me how to think either but in regards to this I was speaking of the statement about his grandmother and where I had seen this information. I do conclude that they were right-wing "nut job" websites and never said there were not any left winged ones out there. Let’s get our facts straight before telling someone how to change their thought process shall we?
I only put that point in there b/c you always bash the right, yet I have never heard you say anything negative bad about the left, and you want fairness don't you?
I won't even try to debate the America is #1 thing. I will never see your view of down talking America, and you will not see my up talking.

So in conclusion, I never meant for it to come across as me telling you how to think about anything. I only meant to keep up the debate. I think I got it all, but if not, I'll talk to you soon!

lovesit - I agree with you regarding talking down America. Yes, we have problems, but it's not as if the fact that we have problems means we have no right to ensure that rogue nations don't acquire nukes. I mean what is that logic..."Since every American doesn't have health insurance, we have no right to tell Iran they cannot build nuclear weapons." That makes no sense.

I have seen the quote attributed to Blair before...regardless of who first said it, it's a powerful sentiment.

I think George W. was right when he called Iran, Iraq, & North Korea an axis of evil. North Korea is led by a madman. North Korea recently vowed to weaponzie their plutonium -

apnews.myway.com/article/20090613/D98PO6T80.html

& has warned of nuclear war -

apnews.myway.com/article/20090614/D98QDSOO0.html.

North Korea recently sentenced two American journalists to 12 years hard labor. They are daring us to do something, make a move...but, China has their back.

I think Kim Jung Il is insane. I think Ahmedenajad has specific goals regarding Israel. I think neither of these men have any 'right' to a nuclear weapon b/c the United States has nuclear weapons. I think North Korea is a more complicated challenge, largely b/c of China. I think the situation with Iran is very clear - Israel should remain our ally, & we should ensure that Israel's enemy, Iran, does not acquire a nuke.

We have many things to deal with here at home in America. It would be great if the rest of the world could tend to their own business. If we do nothing, it is a certainty, IMO, that both Iran & North Korea will acquire & likely use nuclear weapons. I am honestly a big fan of old school CIA missions to take out rogue leaders. I regret to this day that the mission to eliminate Fidel Castro was a failure. I believe the No. 1 responsibility of the federal govt. is to keep Americans safe. Currently the feds are so busy babysitting us all I don't know how they have the time or resources to continue doing what is necessary to keep the world a safe place for freedom & democracy. I mean, what good is it for all Americans to have health insurance if half the world has nuclear warheads pointed at us?



I don't think Katrina has much to do with foreign nations acquiring nukes. It's not as if North Korea or Iran should be given a free pass for a nuke b/c the city of New Orleans fell apart after Katrina. I live in Louisiana. These were the main issues regarding Katrina:

-residents were told to leave, & many didn't, even those who had vehicles or other means of leaving...there are a lot of defiant people in New Orleans who ride out hurricanes & don't listen to warnings, & until Katrina, they'd always been ok
-Ray Nagin, the inept mayor, did not mobilize school buses at his disposal fast enough to organize evacuation of residents who had no other way out
-then governor Kathleen Blanco waited too long to cede power to the federal govt. to take control - the feds cannot intervene in a situation until that state's governor grants permission
-and, I don't for a moment think Bush did everything right, however regardless of who is president, who seriously thinks it is the job of the president of the U.S. to make sure they leave town when they're told to? I mean I would never expect that of anyone, esp. the president (or the governor, for that matter)


The moral of Katrina is this: don't count on the government, state or federal, to rescue you when times are tough.

Posse Comitatus . . .that's the name of the 1878 act that prevents the deployment of federal troops on US soil without the permission of a state’s governor