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Define Christian

Started by cats meow at 2009/06/08 11:07AM
Latest post: 2009/06/18 10:41AM, Views: 835, Replies: 79
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#21   2009/06/12 10:15AM
Re: Define Christian
cats meow
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i am very curious, what are your opinions on this?

apparently God talks directly to pastor drake

There are many people who are full-on crackpots who try to hide who they are behind religion. I don't want to hear anything more ever said about morals or values coming from them.

Colmes: ...you then said, I asked for whom else are you praying in that fashion and you said President Obama. Are you praying for his death?

Drake: Yes.

Colmes: So you're praying for the death of the president of the United States?

Drake: Yes. Are you concerned that by saying that you might find yourself on some secret service call or FBI most wanted list. Do you think it's appropriate to say something like that or even pray for something like that?

Drake: I think it's appropriate to pray for the will of God. I'm not saying anything, what I'm doing is repeating what God is saying, if that puts me on somebodies list then I'll just have to be on their list.

Colmes: You would like for the president of the United States to die?

Drake: If he does not turn to God and does not turn his life around I am asking God to enforce in imprecatory prayers throughout the scripture that would cause him death, that's correct.

Oh, it's God that's saying it, OK, I feel better now. What a freak. He also was a running mate with inmate Alan Keyes and said this about Dr. Tiller:

A former Southern Baptist Convention officer who on June 2 called the death of abortion provider George Tiller an answer to prayer said later in the day he is also praying "imprecatory prayer" against President Obama.

Wiley Drake, pastor of First Southern Baptist Church in Buena Park, Calif., and former running mate of American Independent Party presidential candidate Alan Keyes, said June 2 on Fox News Radio he didn't understand why people were upset with his comments quoted by Associated Baptist Press from a webcast of his daily radio talk show.

Drake said he didn't pray for Tiller to be murdered -- only that God would take his life by some method -- but that he "absolutely" believed that God wanted the doctor dead.

Here's what it says on his homepage:

Join us on the "Wiley Drake in Buena Park" show Monday thru Thursday at 9:00 to 10:00 A.M. California time. www.crusaderadio.com

The theme of the show is Do Justice, Love Mercy, and Walk with God. This theme is based on Micah 6:8 and Matthew 23:23.

In his case I guess mercy means that he hopes President Obama dies...
You can see what he looks like in this clip.

Pastor Wiley Drake in action at the Orange County Board of Supervisors meeting on March 10, 2009 as he attacks Planned Parenthood and Obama.

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#22   2009/06/12 10:29AM
Re: Define Christian
lovesit
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Quote cats meow: i am very curious, what are your opinions on this?

apparently God talks directly to pastor drake

There are many people who are full-on crackpots who try to hide who they are behind religion. I don't want to hear anything more ever said about morals or values coming from them.

Colmes: ...you then said, I asked for whom else are you praying in that fashion and you said President Obama. Are you praying for his death?

Drake: Yes.

Colmes: So you're praying for the death of the president of the United States?

Drake: Yes. Are you concerned that by saying that you might find yourself on some secret service call or FBI most wanted list. Do you think it's appropriate to say something like that or even pray for something like that?

Drake: I think it's appropriate to pray for the will of God. I'm not saying anything, what I'm doing is repeating what God is saying, if that puts me on somebodies list then I'll just have to be on their list.

Colmes: You would like for the president of the United States to die?

Drake: If he does not turn to God and does not turn his life around I am asking God to enforce in imprecatory prayers throughout the scripture that would cause him death, that's correct.

Oh, it's God that's saying it, OK, I feel better now. What a freak. He also was a running mate with inmate Alan Keyes and said this about Dr. Tiller:

A former Southern Baptist Convention officer who on June 2 called the death of abortion provider George Tiller an answer to prayer said later in the day he is also praying "imprecatory prayer" against President Obama.

Wiley Drake, pastor of First Southern Baptist Church in Buena Park, Calif., and former running mate of American Independent Party presidential candidate Alan Keyes, said June 2 on Fox News Radio he didn't understand why people were upset with his comments quoted by Associated Baptist Press from a webcast of his daily radio talk show.

Drake said he didn't pray for Tiller to be murdered -- only that God would take his life by some method -- but that he "absolutely" believed that God wanted the doctor dead.

Here's what it says on his homepage:

Join us on the "Wiley Drake in Buena Park" show Monday thru Thursday at 9:00 to 10:00 A.M. California time. www.crusaderadio.com

The theme of the show is Do Justice, Love Mercy, and Walk with God. This theme is based on Micah 6:8 and Matthew 23:23.

In his case I guess mercy means that he hopes President Obama dies...
You can see what he looks like in this clip.

Pastor Wiley Drake in action at the Orange County Board of Supervisors meeting on March 10, 2009 as he attacks Planned Parenthood and Obama.


I think he's a crackpot and cannot be compared to every day Christians.

#23   2009/06/12 10:34AM
Re: Define Christian
lovesit
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Here is my fave quote that sums up ALL OF THE CHRISTIAN SECTS:

The difference between Christianity and all other religions is this: In all other religions man seeks God. In Christianity, God seeks man.

While this does not really describe how that man is that God seeks, it does describe the religion itself and I like it.

#24   2009/06/12 10:39AM
Re: Define Christian
lovesit
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Can I give another one?

I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. - C.S. Lewis

#25   2009/06/12 11:31AM
Re: Define Christian
cats meow
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lovesit, high five on the crackpot

#26   2009/06/12 11:39AM
Re: Define Christian
sarahconnor
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this is something to always be aware of and careful when it comes to Christianity. so many interpretations..so many ways to twist things to fit your own agenda.

"The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose. " - William Shakespeare in "Merchant of Venice".

I personally believe when you accept Christ into your heart, you also allow him to shine through you. No soul is perfect but one should always try to think of what Jesus would say (the ultimate peacemaker) before spewing any form of hate.

#27   2009/06/12 11:42AM
Re: Define Christian
cats meow
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no decent human being should spew hate, this pastor is right up there with the terrorists, there is absolutely no difference, none

#28   2009/06/12 12:06PM
Re: Define Christian
grits1976
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Quote cats meow: no decent human being should spew hate, this pastor is right up there with the terrorists, there is absolutely no difference, none


ITA. I think that Christians can hate the sin not the SINNER. On a side note does everyone feel the same way about Rev. Wright? Or is it a double standard, b/c he has liberal tendencies?

#29   2009/06/12 12:21PM
Re: Define Christian
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Quote grits1976:
Quote cats meow: no decent human being should spew hate, this pastor is right up there with the terrorists, there is absolutely no difference, none


ITA. I think that Christians can hate the sin not the SINNER. On a side note does everyone feel the same way about Rev. Wright? Or is it a double standard, b/c he has liberal tendencies?


I think Rev. Wright is crazy, him saying G-D America is the same as condemning us all. So, while he might not be as bad as others, he is still up there IMO as a hate mongerer.
I don't give a crap about his liberal tendencies, nor any political tendencies he may have. His hate is all I see.

#30   2009/06/12 12:37PM
Re: Define Christian
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Quote lovesit:
Quote grits1976:
Quote cats meow: no decent human being should spew hate, this pastor is right up there with the terrorists, there is absolutely no difference, none


ITA. I think that Christians can hate the sin not the SINNER. On a side note does everyone feel the same way about Rev. Wright? Or is it a double standard, b/c he has liberal tendencies?


I think Rev. Wright is crazy, him saying G-D America is the same as condemning us all. So, while he might not be as bad as others, he is still up there IMO as a hate mongerer.
I don't give a crap about his liberal tendencies, nor any political tendencies he may have. His hate is all I see.


i agree with you on that. no double standards from me...liberal or not, nothing condones how he speaks. i do not care for him.

#31   2009/06/12 12:55PM
Re: Define Christian
cats meow
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i am right with you sarah, i was listening to a speech given by drake, i will not give him the title of pastor, he also said planned parenthood was an organization that kills babies, he also mentioned birth control as killing babies, he is beyond a nut job

#32   2009/06/12 02:31PM
Re: Define Christian
sarahconnor
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Quote cats meow: i am right with you sarah, i was listening to a speech given by drake, i will not give him the title of pastor, he also said planned parenthood was an organization that kills babies, he also mentioned birth control as killing babies, he is beyond a nut job


sigh yes. i feel those types are purely for my entertainment. however there are a lot of people out there that are easily influenced and these types prey on them. otherwise they provide a bit of comic relief.

#33   2009/06/12 03:12PM
Re: Define Christian
alwaysEJ
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Quote lovesit: Can I give another one?

I believe in Christianity as I believe that the sun has risen: not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else. - C.S. Lewis


Oh I loooooove C.S. Lewis. The man was a genius.

Some of my favorites:

A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell.

A young man who wishes to remain a sound atheist cannot be too careful of his reading.

Christianity, if false, is of no importance, and if true, of infinite importance. The only thing it cannot be is moderately important.

God cannot give us a happiness and peace apart from Himself, because it is not there. There is no such thing.

#34   2009/06/12 04:16PM
Re: Define Christian
sarahconnor
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The Chronicles of Narnia were fantastic!

#35   2009/06/13 09:32AM
Re: Define Christian
cats meow
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Quote lovesit:
Quote grits1976:
Quote cats meow: no decent human being should spew hate, this pastor is right up there with the terrorists, there is absolutely no difference, none


ITA. I think that Christians can hate the sin not the SINNER. On a side note does everyone feel the same way about Rev. Wright? Or is it a double standard, b/c he has liberal tendencies?


I think Rev. Wright is crazy, him saying G-D America is the same as condemning us all. So, while he might not be as bad as others, he is still up there IMO as a hate mongerer.
I don't give a crap about his liberal tendencies, nor any political tendencies he may have. His hate is all I see.


i also agree lovesit, he doesn't deserve the title of pastor either

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