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[quote]Quote juliet: i agree abortion shouldn't be used as a means of birth control

but do you ever stop to think that people may be in a situation where abortion is their only choice?

also most of these women probably had no where turn like shelters etc. FYI: i was one of those people.

yes i regret having it done & i have to live with it for the rest of my life

does that make me a bad & evil person? i think not

also i asked for forgiveness & i got rewarded with a beautiful baby boy who just turned 9 months.

if my daughter would come home pregnant we would talk about the options but that would be up to her. i will still love & support her whatever she decides



I can understand that but I still don't agree, but im not the one who has to live with it! Im glad you were blessed with a child. I hope you remember every day( even when he is driving you nuts and you can't wait for bedtime) what a blessing he truly is!

[quote]Quote bigtimesoapfan: [quote]Quote juliet: i agree abortion shouldn't be used as a means of birth control

but do you ever stop to think that people may be in a situation where abortion is their only choice?

also most of these women probably had no where turn like shelters etc. FYI: i was one of those people.

yes i regret having it done & i have to live with it for the rest of my life

does that make me a bad & evil person? i think not

also i asked for forgiveness & i got rewarded with a beautiful baby boy who just turned 9 months.

if my daughter would come home pregnant we would talk about the options but that would be up to her. i will still love & support her whatever she decides



I can understand that but I still don't agree, but im not the one who has to live with it! Im glad you were blessed with a child. I hope you remember every day( even when he is driving you nuts and you can't wait for bedtime) what a blessing he truly is![/quote]

I hope you don't mean that the way it sounds...like she better be grateful that she has a child because she "killed" the other one. Just because a person has an abortion at one point in time doesn't make them incapable of handling the difficulties that come with child bearing.

Well for starters I have no avatar & can't figure out why



Here is my main point regarding children who are poor, on welfare, in the system, etc. - We would never think to take the lives of one, two, three year old children b/c they have terrible parents, they don't have enough to eat, etc. Taking their lives is never considered an option...to me, they are as alive as a baby in the womb, so I don't think killing a child is a solution to poverty at any stage of that child's life.

I do believe that if welfare didn't reward women for having kids (via another check), some women MIGHT think twice about having so many they can't afford. I don't know, b/c I don't even pretend to understand how their thought process works (assuming thought takes place) when they continue to have kids they cannot afford. Really, is it that hard to not have sex?

I also believe were abortion not such a ready option, some women (not all, of course) would think more carefully about their actions. If you know you will have to deal with the consequences of your actions, you usually consider your actions more carefully.

Woot woot I fixed the avatar...

[quote]Quote Plot-Twister: [quote]Quote bigtimesoapfan: [quote]Quote juliet: i agree abortion shouldn't be used as a means of birth control

but do you ever stop to think that people may be in a situation where abortion is their only choice?

also most of these women probably had no where turn like shelters etc. FYI: i was one of those people.

yes i regret having it done & i have to live with it for the rest of my life

does that make me a bad & evil person? i think not

also i asked for forgiveness & i got rewarded with a beautiful baby boy who just turned 9 months.

if my daughter would come home pregnant we would talk about the options but that would be up to her. i will still love & support her whatever she decides



I can understand that but I still don't agree, but im not the one who has to live with it! Im glad you were blessed with a child. I hope you remember every day( even when he is driving you nuts and you can't wait for bedtime) what a blessing he truly is![/quote]

I hope you don't mean that the way it sounds...like she better be grateful that she has a child because she "killed" the other one. Just because a person has an abortion at one point in time doesn't make them incapable of handling the difficulties that come with child bearing.[/quote]


Not at all. My son has ADHD and some days are so hard but when I see him smile( i know it's corny) it makes eveything fade! I love my children and they are blessings in my life! I hope she and all of you feel the same(if you have kids) Thats all Im saying. She said she was sorry for it she'd asked for forgiveness, who am I to judge her? I'm not God.

[quote]Quote bigtimesoapfan: [quote]Quote Plot-Twister: [quote]Quote bigtimesoapfan: [quote]Quote juliet: i agree abortion shouldn't be used as a means of birth control

but do you ever stop to think that people may be in a situation where abortion is their only choice?

also most of these women probably had no where turn like shelters etc. FYI: i was one of those people.

yes i regret having it done & i have to live with it for the rest of my life

does that make me a bad & evil person? i think not

also i asked for forgiveness & i got rewarded with a beautiful baby boy who just turned 9 months.

if my daughter would come home pregnant we would talk about the options but that would be up to her. i will still love & support her whatever she decides



I can understand that but I still don't agree, but im not the one who has to live with it! Im glad you were blessed with a child. I hope you remember every day( even when he is driving you nuts and you can't wait for bedtime) what a blessing he truly is![/quote]

I hope you don't mean that the way it sounds...like she better be grateful that she has a child because she "killed" the other one. Just because a person has an abortion at one point in time doesn't make them incapable of handling the difficulties that come with child bearing.[/quote]


Not at all. My son has ADHD and some days are so hard but when I see him smile( i know it's corny) it makes eveything fade! I love my children and they are blessings in my life! I hope she and all of you feel the same(if you have kids) Thats all Im saying. She said she was sorry for it she'd asked for forgiveness, who am I to judge her? I'm not God.[/quote]

Thank goodness....I just had to make sure. I am glad I misunderstood. I think most parents feel that way.

Do any of you remember Eric Rudolph? He was the Olympic park bomber in Atlanta in 1996 at the Summer Olympics. The bomb killed one spectator and wounded 111 others plus one died from a heart attack at the scene. He also bombed several abortion clinics as well as gay bars. Rudolph declared that his bombings were part of a guerrilla campaign against abortion and the "homosexual agenda". He spent years on the FBI Ten Most Wanted Fugitives until he was caught in 2003. In 2005, as part of a plea bargain Rudolph pled guilty to numerous federal and state homicide charges and accepted five consecutive life sentences in exchange for avoiding a trial and the death penalty. Evidently he valued his own life just not that of others. He called himself a Roman Catholic in "the war to end this holocaust" (in reference to abortion). He wrote numerous letters that claiming responsibility for the nightclub and abortion clinic bombings on behalf of the "Army of God", a group that sanctions the use of force to combat abortions. He was also a member of the "Christian Identity Movement". Anyway Rudolph was part of an "attempt to try to use a Christian faith to try to forge a kind of racial and social purity and an example of "religious extremism in America" He was described by the FBI as a far right radical terrorist. When he was finally found he had 250 pounds of explosives with him for his next "job". The point I am making is that there are a lot of radical Christian movements out there who are very sick people. They don't care who they murder all in the name of their religion. While Rudolph was hiding out all those years he was being asisted by several different church groups in the area where he was. These people fed him and helped keep him hidden for 5 years. He was turned into a hero by so many pro-lifers. They even wrote songs about him and a member of the Baptist church printed up T-shirts saying "Run Rudolph Run". They did not want him to be caught or punished in any way. All these people who helped harbor this murderer did it in the name of God. It is scary how some people can turn their religion into terrorist acts. It is more scary to know that the people who are in church praising God can also have a murdering terrorist in their basement and be praising him to continue. There is something really wrong with Christians who can validate murders of so many just because they share their stance on an issue. I am more fearful of the people who helped hide him out than Rudolph himself. Fianally he was caught and locked up to stop his murderous rampage but there is always more waiting to take his place like the man who was the reason for this thread.

sarah connor

i admire your bravery for speaking about the issue i'm proud of you.

i was in a very abusive relationship with a crack cocaine addict. i got pregnant with my daughter while with him who is 8. he was very abusive to me physically, mentally, emotionally & sexually he had me so brow beat i was scared to stand up to him he always threatened to kill me. i was the bread winner in the family. but his parents helped us out.

my daughter was born in 2001. i got pregnant again in 2002 which knocked me for a loop but i knew the situation i was in but i didn't want to be. so i decided to go the adoption route but my boyfriend told me if i did he would kill me & the baby ( and he would have). so he told me get on the phone & make an appointment to have it terminated & stay on till i do.

he has hit me in front of my daughter & was mean to her also not physically but emotionally.

so needless to say i had no where to go & no one to talk to so to make him happy ( which is what most abusive people do)
i went & had it done. he left me their all alone at the clinic & when i was done he asked me did you do it?

yes i regret it but i saved that baby from a life of he** & pain. i left him when my daughter was 5. she had to be in therapy for a long time after we left me also.

then i met a wonderful guy on line & we started dating & eventually got married. the first for both of us

i gave birth to our son on sept.5, 2008

in my heart i knew this way my way of being forgiven & my baby boy healed the hole & took away the hurt from the abortion

so know you know why i had it done.

also i'm so glad god blessed you with a lovely family that makes me happy.

also that goes to show that were not bad people. we just didn't have any other choice.

also it feels good to know i'm not the only one



also take care

Sara and Juliet I admire you both so much. You are both very strong women who had to deal with what life through at you. I won't go into all of my story because I just can't. To make a long story short I have got to attend funeral services for 3 babies and then be told I could never have any. The really horrific thing is that when I was pregnant the first time I was at my check up. As the assistant was doing the ultra sound I thought she looked funny and she sure took her time. When she left the room she didn't say a word. I had no clue there was a problem as I laid there on the table waiting on the doc. In about 10 minutes the doctor came in and did the ultrasound for herself. Then out of no where I was given the news that there was no longer a heart beat and that the baby was deceased. Keep in mind that I was an hour from home and all alone. I asked what happened and she said there could be a number of things and would probably never know. I was then told to take a few minutes there in the exam room to get myself together. When I started breathing again I walked to the hall and into the doctors office. I asked what am I suppose to do. I was told that nature would take it's course and the fetus would be expelled just as a miscarriage does. I asked when and she said probably a week or so. I asked if there was not something that could go ahead and get it done instead of the terrible knowing and waiting for my dead child to "expel" itself naturally. I was informed that she did not believe in using any kind of procedure unless the patients life is in danger as she considered it too closely related to abortion which she would never do. So, here I in some kind of daze somehow make it to my car and make it home. The first day I was in so much shock I could not even think. By the second day I was realizing that I had the child I wanted inside me dead. That is a tramatic thing wondering when it will come out "naturally" as the doc insisted I do. Imagine going to bed each night with that on your mind and getting up with it on your mind. I have no idea how long she would have made me wait before she deemed it medically necessary. I would probably have had to been half dead from infection. My mental state could not take it after the 5th day and I called another doctor 2 hours away. The 1st appointment I could get was 3 days away. After seeing me and doing his own tests I was scheduled an appointment for a dnc. He could not believe that a doctor could do what she had done in the name of pro-life. So there was my "choice" taken away and no one who has not been there can imagine how it feels. To make matters even more painful, while I was going through this the most popular preacher in towns daughter killed her new born. She checked herself into the local motel, delivered the baby, shoved it's head in the carpet till it died. Then she put it in a trash bag and threw it into the dumpster. By a chance in a million a worker at the dump saw the little hand stick out of the bag. No way could I think of why a wanted baby dies and an unwanted one is murdered. The entire church took a bus to her court appearance and rallied for her. These are the very same people who the month before held hands throughout town in a stance for pro-life. Now why I do not understand why they approved of this girl delivering and then murdering but are SO against anyone who would have an abortion.????????? Makes no sense. I think to them it all depended on who your daddy is. The next year the same folks held their anti abortion rallies and used toy dolls to show the horror of it. Why I ask did they not use pics of the preachers grandchild with carpet burn on her face and fibers in her lungs? Imo they are nothing but a bunch of hypocrits and I would never set foot new a church like that. You see there are times when these doctors are desperately needed and anyone who does not believe that, well I wish you could walk in mine or some others shoes before you judge us!

wanna

i am so sorry for what you been through it brought tears to my eyes. my heart feels for you.

after the abortion when i would go somewhere people would look at me & i would think they know what i did but of course they didn't.

i was a basket case for a long time & cried alot . i tried to talk to me ex about my feelings but he would say shut up i don't want to hear it.

but i knew i had a daughter to look after i also put on alot of weight from comfort food until i got into therapy.

your pain seems to be stronger then mine

but were examples that even though things go wrong we come back stronger then ever.

take care & your in my thoughts & prayers also

Wanna and Juliet, i just read both of your stories and my heart goes out so much to you. both of you went through so much and remain open hearted and open minded enough to try to understand another's plight.

Wanna that situation sucks...to want a baby so badly and have to wait for the baby to come out is crazy. there are lots of medical problems you could have had as a result of that woman not doing what was necessary and her pro life stance made no sense b/c the baby had passed. i'm so saddened and sickened by that. i admire both of you for sharing what are very difficult situations to talk about.