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Abortion Doctor Murdered

Started by cats meow at 2009/06/01 05:00AM
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#101   2009/06/06 06:16PM
Re: Abortion Doctor Murdered
grits1976
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Quote Plot-Twister:
Quote grits1976: The reason I am prolife is b/c I think everyone has the right to life. I am also pro birth control pills and condoms as a form of birth control, but for a woman to have an abortion after she can feel her baby move inside her takes a special kind of cold. Using abortion as birth control after a night of mindless Fnkiug is wrong in my mind but I'm an advocate of personal responsibility (something that most liberals find offensive).
Now on to the Death penalty issue... these people weren't aborted and that may be unfortunate for society. They at least had a chance at life they messed up so there are consequences.
I think that therapy should be the first option but in a murder case like for example Ted Bundy, who raped and killed many women across the country, the death penalty is warranted. Mr. Bundy if memory serves was housed and supported by the state of Fla for close to a decade if not more than.


1- are you assuming that all abortions occur after the woman can feel the baby? Because that is not the truth. Also if it were a choice between my life or a potential infant....I would chose my life for my other children. I don't think that the people who get late term abortions are all eager beaver to get them.

2- I don't abhor personal responsibility. What a generalization. But in my opinion, it is part of being responsible to help out and show compassion for our fellow man (or woman)

3- "these people werent aborted and that may be unfortunate"? What? Are you saying that if there were a test that could tell if someone was going to be a serial killer they should be aborted? Interesting. Very "Minority Report"

4- You bring up Bundy...are you advocating that all death row inmates are like him? Are even the innocent but proven guilty worthy of death? Would you be happy being such collateral damage?


1. I'm by no means aying that all abortions are after 20 weeks, which is genereally when you start feeling the baby moove. Although, I know some people who have had them as late as their 8th month. By the same token I have a friend whose baby was delivered at 7 mos. and the only thing wrong w/ that baby was it weighed 4 lbs.

2. Most of the libs. I know tend to blame others for their problems and tend not to take responsibility for the mistakes they have made. example: My mil is being sued she owns a bar and she cut a guy off he went to the VFW and on his way he hit someone and killed this person, now he's suing her for his leagal bills. This person is a prominent person in our community and has taken many liberal stances.

3. No I'm not meaning that statement in the way you're taking it. But one of my liberal friends said that the Columbine assassins should've been aborted, to avoid that tragedy.

4. I think that if some one is convicted and has lost 3 appeals. That more than likely they are guilty and their sentence whatever it is should be served. Statistics show that there are very few innocents on death row , I think it's something like 2%. Here in Alabama one guy was released off of death row after serving 10 years.

If someone killed a member of your family wouldn't you want them brought to justice.

A question I have for you pro choice people:
A woman on welfare for years that pops kids out like turds, should she be asked or told to get her plumbing fixed? I know of a woman here who had more kids than the Duggars and the state would take them in shifts, this was a poor family who lived in a 2 room shack, should she have been made to get a tubulgation or should it have been left up to her? This woman said God put her on earth to have babies and she was going to as long as she could.

#102   2009/06/06 06:42PM
Re: Abortion Doctor Murdered
sarahconnor
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Quote alwaysEJ: Ok to answer the Catholic priest question...I am not Catholic & I think the church did a terrible job dealing with those priests. They are pedophiles & deserve the same punishment as anyone else who committed the crime they did. In regard to the death penalty, I believe a pedophile can be put to death only if the child is killed. A Louisiana case went to the S.C. in 2008 involving putting to death child rapists who had not killed their victim & the S.C., 5-4, said states could not execute child rapists, regardless of the age of their victim or how many times they had raped a child, unless they also killed one or more of their rape victims. As far as I know, no Catholic priest killed any of those they molested.

As far as 'judging others'...we all do it. We are all judgmental toward others at times - it's part of being human. I may say I disapprove of something or someone deserves jail or whatever for something, but I do not ever say 'He or she deserves to go to hell for that...' b/c we all deserve hell if you get right down to it. We are all sinners, w are all extremely flawed humans, & the only hope we have is through Jesus who lived a perfect life, & the only judge who matters is the one Dr. Tiller is dealing with right about now.


I do have an education, although I don't think a formal education is needed to form opinions on something like abortion, & I am not getting into my fiance or whatever else was asked about b/c clearly you're just mocking me anyway & don't care at all. Kitchen? Seriously? I have a masters degree & teach college courses & rarely cook...but stereotypes are fun, aren't they? In fact we're about to go eat at Ruth's Chris momentarily.

I am out, LSU's bball game is over (GEAUX Tigers) & I'm tired of being on the computer.


yes EJ. stereotypes and "generalizations" are fun aren't they? i actually never thought you were uneducated..i was not serious. it's clear by your grammar that you seem to be so maybe that is why i'm so taken with how you seem to show a lack of ability to see many sides to a situation. i have caught a few past statements that came across as a bit stereotypical or generalized in regards to an opinion you had formed. clearly you can't do that and yes i was mocking - it was geared toward being sarcastic in how i could equate your views as being very "old school" therefore forming an opinion that you must be uneducated to think such things. that is not the case. and it's not the case with many *many* things.

i agree that we all judge. some more so than others i have witnessed tho. and it's a sin in itself that we are all guilty of. i am glad that you don't think certain people should go to hell. i most certainly don't..it is not my place. to wish that upon someone is the opposite of what Christ teaches. i have my own opinions and do not carry malice for anyone who disagrees. i also can feel sympathy for many situations in life.

#103   2009/06/06 06:52PM
Re: Abortion Doctor Murdered
sarahconnor
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Quote grits1976:
Quote Plot-Twister:
Quote grits1976: The reason I am prolife is b/c I think everyone has the right to life. I am also pro birth control pills and condoms as a form of birth control, but for a woman to have an abortion after she can feel her baby move inside her takes a special kind of cold. Using abortion as birth control after a night of mindless Fnkiug is wrong in my mind but I'm an advocate of personal responsibility (something that most liberals find offensive).
Now on to the Death penalty issue... these people weren't aborted and that may be unfortunate for society. They at least had a chance at life they messed up so there are consequences.
I think that therapy should be the first option but in a murder case like for example Ted Bundy, who raped and killed many women across the country, the death penalty is warranted. Mr. Bundy if memory serves was housed and supported by the state of Fla for close to a decade if not more than.


1- are you assuming that all abortions occur after the woman can feel the baby? Because that is not the truth. Also if it were a choice between my life or a potential infant....I would chose my life for my other children. I don't think that the people who get late term abortions are all eager beaver to get them.

2- I don't abhor personal responsibility. What a generalization. But in my opinion, it is part of being responsible to help out and show compassion for our fellow man (or woman)

3- "these people werent aborted and that may be unfortunate"? What? Are you saying that if there were a test that could tell if someone was going to be a serial killer they should be aborted? Interesting. Very "Minority Report"

4- You bring up Bundy...are you advocating that all death row inmates are like him? Are even the innocent but proven guilty worthy of death? Would you be happy being such collateral damage?


1. I'm by no means aying that all abortions are after 20 weeks, which is genereally when you start feeling the baby moove. Although, I know some people who have had them as late as their 8th month. By the same token I have a friend whose baby was delivered at 7 mos. and the only thing wrong w/ that baby was it weighed 4 lbs.

2. Most of the libs. I know tend to blame others for their problems and tend not to take responsibility for the mistakes they have made. example: My mil is being sued she owns a bar and she cut a guy off he went to the VFW and on his way he hit someone and killed this person, now he's suing her for his leagal bills. This person is a prominent person in our community and has taken many liberal stances.

3. No I'm not meaning that statement in the way you're taking it. But one of my liberal friends said that the Columbine assassins should've been aborted, to avoid that tragedy.

4. I think that if some one is convicted and has lost 3 appeals. That more than likely they are guilty and their sentence whatever it is should be served. Statistics show that there are very few innocents on death row , I think it's something like 2%. Here in Alabama one guy was released off of death row after serving 10 years.

If someone killed a member of your family wouldn't you want them brought to justice.

A question I have for you pro choice people:
A woman on welfare for years that pops kids out like turds, should she be asked or told to get her plumbing fixed? I know of a woman here who had more kids than the Duggars and the state would take them in shifts, this was a poor family who lived in a 2 room shack, should she have been made to get a tubulgation or should it have been left up to her? This woman said God put her on earth to have babies and she was going to as long as she could.



as for the woman with many children - i'm addressing your question since i fall under the pro-choice umbrella. i don't think anyone can or should force or interfere with her being able to conceive as she chooses - sad as that may be. i don't agree with her choices but that is her body. however if she is unable to care for her children, then the government must step in and remove them from her. there are a lot of loving families that would like to adopt. morally this woman should stop having kids if she can't afford them but she can't be forced - that is not what having a choice is all about. obviously she is a bit loopy in her beliefs.

#104   2009/06/06 08:47PM
Re: Abortion Doctor Murdered
rei1
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I'm not in favor of abortion and I am also not in favor of the death penalty. Thou Shall Not Kill....that is what I'm in favor of.


I feel sorry for the ones that did abort, because that is obviously still a bad memory. I hope sincerely that they find peace.

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#105   2009/06/07 06:24AM
Re: Abortion Doctor Murdered
bigtimesoapfan
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Quote grits1976:
Quote Plot-Twister:
Quote grits1976: The reason I am prolife is b/c I think everyone has the right to life. I am also pro birth control pills and condoms as a form of birth control, but for a woman to have an abortion after she can feel her baby move inside her takes a special kind of cold. Using abortion as birth control after a night of mindless Fnkiug is wrong in my mind but I'm an advocate of personal responsibility (something that most liberals find offensive).
Now on to the Death penalty issue... these people weren't aborted and that may be unfortunate for society. They at least had a chance at life they messed up so there are consequences.
I think that therapy should be the first option but in a murder case like for example Ted Bundy, who raped and killed many women across the country, the death penalty is warranted. Mr. Bundy if memory serves was housed and supported by the state of Fla for close to a decade if not more than.


1- are you assuming that all abortions occur after the woman can feel the baby? Because that is not the truth. Also if it were a choice between my life or a potential infant....I would chose my life for my other children. I don't think that the people who get late term abortions are all eager beaver to get them.

2- I don't abhor personal responsibility. What a generalization. But in my opinion, it is part of being responsible to help out and show compassion for our fellow man (or woman)

3- "these people werent aborted and that may be unfortunate"? What? Are you saying that if there were a test that could tell if someone was going to be a serial killer they should be aborted? Interesting. Very "Minority Report"

4- You bring up Bundy...are you advocating that all death row inmates are like him? Are even the innocent but proven guilty worthy of death? Would you be happy being such collateral damage?


1. I'm by no means aying that all abortions are after 20 weeks, which is genereally when you start feeling the baby moove. Although, I know some people who have had them as late as their 8th month. By the same token I have a friend whose baby was delivered at 7 mos. and the only thing wrong w/ that baby was it weighed 4 lbs.

2. Most of the libs. I know tend to blame others for their problems and tend not to take responsibility for the mistakes they have made. example: My mil is being sued she owns a bar and she cut a guy off he went to the VFW and on his way he hit someone and killed this person, now he's suing her for his leagal bills. This person is a prominent person in our community and has taken many liberal stances.

3. No I'm not meaning that statement in the way you're taking it. But one of my liberal friends said that the Columbine assassins should've been aborted, to avoid that tragedy.

4. I think that if some one is convicted and has lost 3 appeals. That more than likely they are guilty and their sentence whatever it is should be served. Statistics show that there are very few innocents on death row , I think it's something like 2%. Here in Alabama one guy was released off of death row after serving 10 years.

If someone killed a member of your family wouldn't you want them brought to justice.

A question I have for you pro choice people:
A woman on welfare for years that pops kids out like turds, should she be asked or told to get her plumbing fixed? I know of a woman here who had more kids than the Duggars and the state would take them in shifts, this was a poor family who lived in a 2 room shack, should she have been made to get a tubulgation or should it have been left up to her? This woman said God put her on earth to have babies and she was going to as long as she could.


Thank God Grits I thought I was alone on this! I find it so funny that they talk about chioce this and choice that. What about your baby's choice. When were you deingned judge and jury for your unborn child! I agree it takes one cold hearted b%*&@c to terminate her child especially after they feel movement and not to feel remorse for the life they ended!! and by the way this 20 week thing is untrue. you can start feeling flutters around 13-16 weeks. and some feel it before that. I had an ultrasound @3 weeks because of bleeding, I thought I was in love with my baby when the stick turned pink(even though my life was a mess from the first suspicion I was pregnent I loved him)!! but seeing him on a screen @ 3 weeks into his development, that was so much more love, I could see him and while yes he was so tiny and no wheres near formed, he's my child! The thought of his life ending before it had really even started was almost unbearable! My pregnancy was a nightmare constant bed rest because of bleeding, I lost my reg. job as a lead teacher and was put in an asst teacher post. But it was worth it! My children are my life whether their timng was bad or not I can't imagine my life w/out thm!! This is my opinion only. I do think their is only 1 reason to allow a termination and that is only if the mothers life is in jeopody(for me if my child still had a chance @ life I would risk mine for them! but thats me)and Im not God so who am I to judge Im saying me personally!

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#106   2009/06/07 11:01AM
Re: Abortion Doctor Murdered
sarahconnor
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Quote bigtimesoapfan:
Quote grits1976:
Quote Plot-Twister:
Quote grits1976: The reason I am prolife is b/c I think everyone has the right to life. I am also pro birth control pills and condoms as a form of birth control, but for a woman to have an abortion after she can feel her baby move inside her takes a special kind of cold. Using abortion as birth control after a night of mindless Fnkiug is wrong in my mind but I'm an advocate of personal responsibility (something that most liberals find offensive).
Now on to the Death penalty issue... these people weren't aborted and that may be unfortunate for society. They at least had a chance at life they messed up so there are consequences.
I think that therapy should be the first option but in a murder case like for example Ted Bundy, who raped and killed many women across the country, the death penalty is warranted. Mr. Bundy if memory serves was housed and supported by the state of Fla for close to a decade if not more than.


1- are you assuming that all abortions occur after the woman can feel the baby? Because that is not the truth. Also if it were a choice between my life or a potential infant....I would chose my life for my other children. I don't think that the people who get late term abortions are all eager beaver to get them.

2- I don't abhor personal responsibility. What a generalization. But in my opinion, it is part of being responsible to help out and show compassion for our fellow man (or woman)

3- "these people werent aborted and that may be unfortunate"? What? Are you saying that if there were a test that could tell if someone was going to be a serial killer they should be aborted? Interesting. Very "Minority Report"

4- You bring up Bundy...are you advocating that all death row inmates are like him? Are even the innocent but proven guilty worthy of death? Would you be happy being such collateral damage?


1. I'm by no means aying that all abortions are after 20 weeks, which is genereally when you start feeling the baby moove. Although, I know some people who have had them as late as their 8th month. By the same token I have a friend whose baby was delivered at 7 mos. and the only thing wrong w/ that baby was it weighed 4 lbs.

2. Most of the libs. I know tend to blame others for their problems and tend not to take responsibility for the mistakes they have made. example: My mil is being sued she owns a bar and she cut a guy off he went to the VFW and on his way he hit someone and killed this person, now he's suing her for his leagal bills. This person is a prominent person in our community and has taken many liberal stances.

3. No I'm not meaning that statement in the way you're taking it. But one of my liberal friends said that the Columbine assassins should've been aborted, to avoid that tragedy.

4. I think that if some one is convicted and has lost 3 appeals. That more than likely they are guilty and their sentence whatever it is should be served. Statistics show that there are very few innocents on death row , I think it's something like 2%. Here in Alabama one guy was released off of death row after serving 10 years.

If someone killed a member of your family wouldn't you want them brought to justice.

A question I have for you pro choice people:
A woman on welfare for years that pops kids out like turds, should she be asked or told to get her plumbing fixed? I know of a woman here who had more kids than the Duggars and the state would take them in shifts, this was a poor family who lived in a 2 room shack, should she have been made to get a tubulgation or should it have been left up to her? This woman said God put her on earth to have babies and she was going to as long as she could.


Thank God Grits I thought I was alone on this! I find it so funny that they talk about chioce this and choice that. What about your baby's choice. When were you deingned judge and jury for your unborn child! I agree it takes one cold hearted b%*&@c to terminate her child especially after they feel movement and not to feel remorse for the life they ended!! and by the way this 20 week thing is untrue. you can start feeling flutters around 13-16 weeks. and some feel it before that. I had an ultrasound @3 weeks because of bleeding, I thought I was in love with my baby when the stick turned pink(even though my life was a mess from the first suspicion I was pregnent I loved him)!! but seeing him on a screen @ 3 weeks into his development, that was so much more love, I could see him and while yes he was so tiny and no wheres near formed, he's my child! The thought of his life ending before it had really even started was almost unbearable! My pregnancy was a nightmare constant bed rest because of bleeding, I lost my reg. job as a lead teacher and was put in an asst teacher post. But it was worth it! My children are my life whether their timng was bad or not I can't imagine my life w/out thm!! This is my opinion only. I do think their is only 1 reason to allow a termination and that is only if the mothers life is in jeopody(for me if my child still had a chance @ life I would risk mine for them! but thats me)and Im not God so who am I to judge Im saying me personally!


Yes, I believe in choice. You got that right…I believe first and foremost it is the woman’s right b/c it’s her body. Why don’t you seem to acknowledge the men that are just as responsible for a pregnancy taking place? It’s because they can hide…they are not the ones going through it. It’s a *rare* situation when the guy does not want an abortion to take place. I think it’s completely ignorant & appalling to only rake the females over the coals while not even acknowledging the male’s responsibility. Aren’t both people supposed to be pregnant?….pregnancy happens to the male that created the fetus as much as it does to the female. As for the baby’s choice, I’m sorry we’ll have to agree to disagree. At this point the baby is a fetus and is not even a viable human being. As much as I respect Christianity, i do think both science and Christianity can come together. To even state that it takes a cold hearted “blah blah blah” to terminate a pregnancy is just a cold and narrow minded statement in itself. Is that what Christianity preaches? I don’t think so. It’s forgiveness and the ability to see outside of your own opinions. I would never say anything against your viewpoints on pro life and what your choices would be in any respective situation. They are yours..they are not my business. I completely respect what you believe *but* I do not respect anyone that says something out of hate just because it is not aligned with what “they” believe. I will say this, at 18 I had no desire for children at all. If I felt anything in my stomach at any given point, I probably chalked it up to indigestion. I did not have any feelings or attachment…I was scared and wanted it all to go away. That was my thought process….i did battle with the entire right & wrong aspect of it years later but found great peace and forgiveness within my Church and no, I don’t regret my choice. I still believe a woman has the right to choose…I do not agree with anyone who uses a clinic as birth control *or* later term abortions unless it’s a medical emergency. I do not advocate abortion. But I do believe we have the right to choose. I’m glad you had your baby despite things being a mess in your life. That was the right choice for “you”…but to call someone cold for their choice is very cold in itself. I am no ones judge and a sympathetic person toward many plights a person could experience regardless if I agree with their choice. I thank God for my ability to always treat others with kindness and see many perspectives outside of my own. I had no desire to be a mother at that time. The only thing I do regret is ever getting pregnant. It was a hard lesson but I was responsible from that point on. Like I said, I respect your views and stance on pro life however I find it more difficult to respect a person that spews hate toward another person’s life & choice. May peace toward others be with you. it doesn't sound like it is.

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#107   2009/06/07 02:52PM
Re: Abortion Doctor Murdered
cats meow
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quote grits...... Most of the libs. I know tend to blame others for their problems and tend not to take responsibility for the mistakes they have made. example: My mil is being sued she owns a bar and she cut a guy off he went to the VFW and on his way he hit someone and killed this person, now he's suing her for his leagal bills. This person is a prominent person in our community and has taken many liberal stances.


that is the most absurd thing i have ever read, so i will not even try to debate it

#108   2009/06/07 03:08PM
Re: Abortion Doctor Murdered
cats meow
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since so many of you have been brave enough to share some very personal parts of your life, and the ones that have, i respect so very much, i guess it is my turn.....my story parallels sarahconnor, 18, first love,got pregnant, not only was i ashamed, he had a habit of hitting me, of course, i knew he could change him because i loved him, well, when he knocked me to the ground while i was pregnant, i figured he was never going to change, i was 9 weeks, i never considered it a living baby, we had planned to get married, oh, did i forget to say he was a high school drop out??????????????? i did what was right for me, do i have any regrets?? NONE, of course i dumped his azz, but it was still hard because i still loved him, FYI, he did not want me to terminate, he got married 6 months later, it took me awhile to try dating again, probably a year, did not have sex for a long time, when i decided to, i went on the pill, got married in 1972, had my tubes tied in 1975, i have a great life with my husband, i would do nothing different, not many people can say that after 36 plus years

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#109   2009/06/07 03:22PM
Re: Abortion Doctor Murdered
sarahconnor
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Quote cats meow: quote grits...... Most of the libs. I know tend to blame others for their problems and tend not to take responsibility for the mistakes they have made. example: My mil is being sued she owns a bar and she cut a guy off he went to the VFW and on his way he hit someone and killed this person, now he's suing her for his leagal bills. This person is a prominent person in our community and has taken many liberal stances.


that is the most absurd thing i have ever read, so i will not even try to debate it


yeah Cats i bypassed that one too. it speaks for itself so there is no point in debating it you know? LOL!

#110   2009/06/07 03:26PM
Re: Abortion Doctor Murdered
cats meow
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i get news reports from crooks and liars almost everyday,
this report is beyondo(that is my made up word), i was watching a segment of rachael maddow they sent me...
an anti choice organization planned to demonstrate at a number of clinics on the day of doctor tillers funeral, these were the signs they were carrying, THE PILL KILLS, can you believe it??? now you can't prevent pregnancy, they went even further with the info they were providing, taking the pill, iud's, even sex education was the same as murder...WHTF???
these people, and i will not call them christians, are beyond scary

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#111   2009/06/07 03:37PM
Re: Abortion Doctor Murdered
clicquot1
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Quote cats meow: i get news reports from crooks and liars almost everyday,
this report is beyondo(that is my made up word), i was watching a segment of rachael maddow they sent me...
an anti choice organization planned to demonstrate at a number of clinics on the day of doctor tillers funeral, these were the signs they were carrying, THE PILL KILLS, can you believe it??? now you can't prevent pregnancy, they went even further with the info they were providing, taking the pill, iud's, even sex education was the same as murder...WHTF???
these people, and i will not call them christians, are beyond scary

Probably members of the Catholic Church who are strictly against ANY form of birth control and of course are anti-choice BUT they do ALLOW pedophile priests who they shipped from one parish to the next instead of trying to take care of the problem. But now, the Catholic Church(who is against gays & lesbians) says that 50% of the priests are GAY and they are the ones that are the pedophiles, when the MAJORITY of pedophiles statistically speaking has ALWAYS been straight men who will violate either sex. Priests mainly went with boys because they were easier to access(choir & altar boys). Why didn't the church with it's great wealth try to get help for these men or incarsarate them? POLITICS?

#112   2009/06/07 03:43PM
Re: Abortion Doctor Murdered
sarahconnor
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Quote cats meow: since so many of you have been brave enough to share some very personal parts of your life, and the ones that have, i respect so very much, i guess it is my turn.....my story parallels sarahconnor, 18, first love,got pregnant, not only was i ashamed, he had a habit of hitting me, of course, i knew he could change him because i loved him, well, when he knocked me to the ground while i was pregnant, i figured he was never going to change, i was 9 weeks, i never considered it a living baby, we had planned to get married, oh, did i forget to say he was a high school drop out??????????????? i did what was right for me, do i have any regrets?? NONE, of course i dumped his azz, but it was still hard because i still loved him, FYI, he did not want me to terminate, he got married 6 months later, it took me awhile to try dating again, probably a year, did not have sex for a long time, when i decided to, i went on the pill, got married in 1972, had my tubes tied in 1975, i have a great life with my husband, i would do nothing different, not many people can say that after 36 plus years


yeah see no one mentions the guy in the situation. women are the poster children for pregnancy but they did not become that way alone. it's all so biased. i'm sorry to hear about your situation. it's never an easy choice but sometimes it's the best choice given the person & circumstances. the guy i was with begged me to abort and i knew he would run if i decided to have a baby. i did not want a baby either i must confess. that's no way for anyone to come into this world....unwanted. i felt i had the right to choose if i wanted to use MY body to allow a fetus to develop into a fully viable human baby to bring into life. i did not want children at that time and for many years after. i don't believe that b/c i'm female i have to procreate either. that is also a choice...one can be happy with or without children. i think i made a responsible choice back then b/c at 18, i would have been resentful, bitter and a horrible mother. of course i have changed alot from the person i was back then. if someone feels they can give love and feels love immediately when pregnant then that is great but it's just not everyone and it's not reality. to call someone names or even try to shame them for their choice is wrong. if more people paid attention to their own lives, we wouldn't have such a mess in this world. (mind you these are usually the same people that would still shame you if you had the baby with no father and required government assistance)- there's no winning with certain people but when you stop caring what they think and realize it's very minuscule compared to larger scale issues, well that is when you find peace and are free. you are brave to tell your story too cats and also brave to admit you did not want children (nothing wrong with that AT ALL!!) and have a great life. and you are right..many can not say after 36+ years they are happy! good for you!

#113   2009/06/07 03:43PM
Re: Abortion Doctor Murdered
cats meow
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gay men have sex with gay men, pedophiles have sex with children, in my parish, when i was a kid, a priest was in a car accident with an 8 grade girl who died, guess what, he went to another parish

#114   2009/06/07 03:51PM
Re: Abortion Doctor Murdered
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sarhconnor, thank you for those very kind words, it means allot coming from you
i am going to sign off now but i want to leave with this....
i saw a bit on the tv showing the funeral of doctor tiller, there were a great number of people, men and women, and many many ages attending his funeral, God bless his family and all the people he touched

#115   2009/06/07 03:53PM
Re: Abortion Doctor Murdered
sarahconnor
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Quote cats meow: i get news reports from crooks and liars almost everyday,
this report is beyondo(that is my made up word), i was watching a segment of rachael maddow they sent me...
an anti choice organization planned to demonstrate at a number of clinics on the day of doctor tillers funeral, these were the signs they were carrying, THE PILL KILLS, can you believe it??? now you can't prevent pregnancy, they went even further with the info they were providing, taking the pill, iud's, even sex education was the same as murder...WHTF???
these people, and i will not call them christians, are beyond scary


they might be talking about that morning after pill. that is a pill that prevents conception if there is a "whoops" the night before...but regardless you can't win. if they are talking about birth control then that is just laughable. talking about making a fool of yourself. i will say that if they want to demonstrate, then fine. i do believe in freedom of speech....i hope they keep it peaceful.

BUT i will say that demonstrating on the day of his funeral is quite disturbing. the only statement coming across is that they are advocating murder b/c why demonstrate on the day of his FUNERAL in front of his clinic? the man was murdered for pete's sake. that type of mentality scares me even more Cats. it borders on and flirts with being an extremist.

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