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Abortion Doctor Murdered
Started by cats meow at 2009/06/01 05:00AMLatest post: 2009/06/09 08:47AM, Views: 1799, Replies: 187
#91
2009/06/06 03:23PM
Re: Abortion Doctor Murdered
grits1976 |
The reason I am prolife is b/c I think everyone has the right to life. I am also pro birth control pills and condoms as a form of birth control, but for a woman to have an abortion after she can feel her baby move inside her takes a special kind of cold. Using abortion as birth control after a night of mindless Fnkiug is wrong in my mind but I'm an advocate of personal responsibility (something that most liberals find offensive). |
#92
2009/06/06 03:33PM
Re: Abortion Doctor Murdered
Plot-Twister |
Quote grits1976: The reason I am prolife is b/c I think everyone has the right to life. I am also pro birth control pills and condoms as a form of birth control, but for a woman to have an abortion after she can feel her baby move inside her takes a special kind of cold. Using abortion as birth control after a night of mindless Fnkiug is wrong in my mind but I'm an advocate of personal responsibility (something that most liberals find offensive). Now on to the Death penalty issue... these people weren't aborted and that may be unfortunate for society. They at least had a chance at life they messed up so there are consequences. I think that therapy should be the first option but in a murder case like for example Ted Bundy, who raped and killed many women across the country, the death penalty is warranted. Mr. Bundy if memory serves was housed and supported by the state of Fla for close to a decade if not more than. 1- are you assuming that all abortions occur after the woman can feel the baby? Because that is not the truth. Also if it were a choice between my life or a potential infant....I would chose my life for my other children. I don't think that the people who get late term abortions are all eager beaver to get them. 2- I don't abhor personal responsibility. What a generalization. But in my opinion, it is part of being responsible to help out and show compassion for our fellow man (or woman) 3- "these people werent aborted and that may be unfortunate"? What? Are you saying that if there were a test that could tell if someone was going to be a serial killer they should be aborted? Interesting. Very "Minority Report" 4- You bring up Bundy...are you advocating that all death row inmates are like him? Are even the innocent but proven guilty worthy of death? Would you be happy being such collateral damage? |
#93
2009/06/06 03:50PM
Re: Abortion Doctor Murdered
sarahconnor |
Quote grits1976: The reason I am prolife is b/c I think everyone has the right to life. I am also pro birth control pills and condoms as a form of birth control, but for a woman to have an abortion after she can feel her baby move inside her takes a special kind of cold. Using abortion as birth control after a night of mindless Fnkiug is wrong in my mind but I'm an advocate of personal responsibility (something that most liberals find offensive). Now on to the Death penalty issue... these people weren't aborted and that may be unfortunate for society. They at least had a chance at life they messed up so there are consequences. I think that therapy should be the first option but in a murder case like for example Ted Bundy, who raped and killed many women across the country, the death penalty is warranted. Mr. Bundy if memory serves was housed and supported by the state of Fla for close to a decade if not more than. i hope you realize that sometimes teenagers can do some mindless things. it's about learning from the experience. i am pro CHOICE b/c i think it's true hypocrisy anyone would care that a child is born yet not care after that point. so how do you feel about the teens that go forth with the pregnancy only to put their new born baby in dumpsters b/c of great shame. they didn't have an abortion. these babies actually took a breath then were left for dead. don't act like that is not common b/c there are more than enough stories of this happening. it's sick for that to happen but abortion would have been much more humane. i respect you are prolife but please don't call someone COLD for having an abortion b/c they were stupid ONE time. and don't act like it's "birth control" b/c of a one time thing. if they were doing it over and over, that's one thing but i'm sorry one time accidents/mistakes happen. what about the guy in the situation who is pressuring the girl to go ahead and do it...don't act like that is not common either b/c the one that fathered mine PAID for it and practically begged me to. at 18 i was scared to death..i had no safety net. it was not EASY for me to make that choice. there was no one to help me. i was a kid. i felt stuck and in what world is it fair to just judge the woman and not the man that wanted it just as much if not more? the same man that would have ran off and left the mother alone trying to figure out what to do and shamed by society b/c OH NO SHE MADE A MISTAKE yet he's just a guy b/c he slept around. i don't regret having it - i don't use it as birth control...if you want to think of me as COLD or whatever, go right ahead b/c i bet you are not perfect. you are damned straight i was careful after that. i learned from it. there were NOT a lot of talks about pregnancy in my house or getting pregnant so at 18..i admit, i didn't think about it. there after, i was careful. but if i had not prompted every guy to be careful he sure would not have been. almost every guy was ready to throw caution to the wind. why should a young girl be the one trapped caring for a child she did not even want at that time b/c she messed up one time? i would have been a horrible and neglectful mother at 18. the dad messed up too. we both were careless. i learned a hard lesson and never threw caution to the wind again. but judge ALLLLL you want. |
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#94
2009/06/06 03:54PM
Re: Abortion Doctor Murdered
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sarahconnor |
Quote Plot-Twister: Quote grits1976: The reason I am prolife is b/c I think everyone has the right to life. I am also pro birth control pills and condoms as a form of birth control, but for a woman to have an abortion after she can feel her baby move inside her takes a special kind of cold. Using abortion as birth control after a night of mindless Fnkiug is wrong in my mind but I'm an advocate of personal responsibility (something that most liberals find offensive). Now on to the Death penalty issue... these people weren't aborted and that may be unfortunate for society. They at least had a chance at life they messed up so there are consequences. I think that therapy should be the first option but in a murder case like for example Ted Bundy, who raped and killed many women across the country, the death penalty is warranted. Mr. Bundy if memory serves was housed and supported by the state of Fla for close to a decade if not more than. 1- are you assuming that all abortions occur after the woman can feel the baby? Because that is not the truth. Also if it were a choice between my life or a potential infant....I would chose my life for my other children. I don't think that the people who get late term abortions are all eager beaver to get them. 2- I don't abhor personal responsibility. What a generalization. But in my opinion, it is part of being responsible to help out and show compassion for our fellow man (or woman) 3- "these people werent aborted and that may be unfortunate"? What? Are you saying that if there were a test that could tell if someone was going to be a serial killer they should be aborted? Interesting. Very "Minority Report" 4- You bring up Bundy...are you advocating that all death row inmates are like him? Are even the innocent but proven guilty worthy of death? Would you be happy being such collateral damage? right on Plot! i love the generalizations/assumptions that personal responsibility is always the issue and even most liberals don't abide by it. i could go on a nice rant about conservatives but it's really not fair to generalize. |
#95
2009/06/06 03:54PM
Re: Abortion Doctor Murdered
raving |
Quote alwaysEJ: I remember you saying you adopted a boy & he caused a lot of problems. From what I remember, the term 'pedophile' did not fit what you described. First of all, young offenders are altogether another story. When I hear 'pedophile,' I think of older men who abduct young girls and/or boys & rape, torture, & usually kill them. These people are IMO deserving of death. They almost always will reoffend if given the chance. i just have to say that I am sickened and saddened at the way this thread has turned.....I am saddened that those posters that are pro life and have ( hopefully) read 3 very different reasons for abortions from personal accounts...are still so heartless.....its like some of you are a bunch of stepford wives from the 17th century....Holy moly....grow a heart PLEASE!!!... second of all a certain poster on here seems to believe that they are an expert in every single subject that comes up in the lounge....and not only an expert but the leading authority on!....Good golly get OVER yourself...we(some) certainly are!! Thirdly......here I was thinking that this was for the most part a humane, personal, and intelligent conversation.....but color me corrected.....pro life pro death???...that would almost be funny if it wasnt so completely sickening!!....I say its time all pro lifers that are also pro death penalty should come clean and realize....that you are in fact...PRO CHOICE!!!! You choose not to abort...but you'd choose to kill CERTAIN criminals....I am sorry, but that makes you a H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E!!!! Plot please,......the ONE that said pedophiles are only adult men that prey on young children.....clearly has some real life to see....and needs to get their head out of the books....if a life is a life worth saving...and that is your stance....then is\t should apply to ALLLLLLL |
#96
2009/06/06 04:10PM
Re: Abortion Doctor Murdered
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sarahconnor |
Quote Plot-Twister: Sarah, Wanna, Juliet....three brave women. My heart really does go out to all of you. I find it interesting that after hearing/seeing the human side of why people decide to have an abortion, the pro life movement is not moved. I find it interesting that the theory of "you tend to hear about the abusers of abortion more often than those who don't abuse it" is still persistant even after others share their stories. Of course the leeches of society always get press....it makes for a better story. It riles people up. It creates this "theory". Kinda like the theory "you will find the thing you lost in the last place you look for it". Well Duh! Why would someone keep looking for something after they have found it. But dang, it sounds profound doesn't it? As for the death penalty it totally blows my mind that prolife people are for the death penalty (many are). I guess some lives are more important than others. Yes it is expensive to house them. Yes there is an extensive appeal process. But there are also people that have been found innocent who are on death row. Do these lives not count? What if you were the one who was on death row but were innocent? Would you be satisfied with that knowing you were going to die as collateral damage? And EJ...It offends me - Seriously offends me - every single time you say that pedophiles should be put to death. I have explained my son and his problems on this board very often (in short I have an adopted son who I had to turn in to the police because he has pedophelia. Not easy, but then again, NO ONE would help me when I tried to get counseling for him after he was abused) So every time you say that you are telling me my son should die. I don't know how NOT to take that personal. I know you will poo poo that like you do every time....but you wouldn't like it if I kept saying that a member of your family should be killed. No matter what they have done wrong, a person is a person. An abortion is about a choice. Pedophelia is usually caused by sexual abuse. And here is the kicker...We know what causes it, but to get treatment for it? Yeah, that costs too much money. Insurance won't pay for it. No government help. People don't care. I wonder if they would care if my son and I lived next door to you? Would you have called your congressman then? I'm so sorry about your son Plot. you would think there would be more sympathy about something like that as well as an ability to realize things are not black and white. i've said it forever...many gray areas. It's sad your stepson could not get the help he needs and he's lucky to have a wonderful mother that is able to see outside of a box. i think there are too many that don't realize Pedophelia begins in children and is a mental disease and yes, commonly caused by abuse. that needs to be treated as soon as it's detected. people are too busy shaming the child & the situation instead of trying to help it. there is something horribly wrong with that. |
#97
2009/06/06 04:16PM
Re: Abortion Doctor Murdered
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sarahconnor |
Quote raving: Quote alwaysEJ: I remember you saying you adopted a boy & he caused a lot of problems. From what I remember, the term 'pedophile' did not fit what you described. First of all, young offenders are altogether another story. When I hear 'pedophile,' I think of older men who abduct young girls and/or boys & rape, torture, & usually kill them. These people are IMO deserving of death. They almost always will reoffend if given the chance. i just have to say that I am sickened and saddened at the way this thread has turned.....I am saddened that those posters that are pro life and have ( hopefully) read 3 very different reasons for abortions from personal accounts...are still so heartless.....its like some of you are a bunch of stepford wives from the 17th century....Holy moly....grow a heart PLEASE!!!... second of all a certain poster on here seems to believe that they are an expert in every single subject that comes up in the lounge....and not only an expert but the leading authority on!....Good golly get OVER yourself...we(some) certainly are!! Thirdly......here I was thinking that this was for the most part a humane, personal, and intelligent conversation.....but color me corrected.....pro life pro death???...that would almost be funny if it wasnt so completely sickening!!....I say its time all pro lifers that are also pro death penalty should come clean and realize....that you are in fact...PRO CHOICE!!!! You choose not to abort...but you'd choose to kill CERTAIN criminals....I am sorry, but that makes you a H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E!!!! Plot please,......the ONE that said pedophiles are only adult men that prey on young children.....clearly has some real life to see....and needs to get their head out of the books....if a life is a life worth saving...and that is your stance....then is\t should apply to ALLLLLLL you know this thread started out peaceful and with an understanding and respect of different opinions. it's such a shame all these issues have to be dragged out over the coals again. i am also beginning to think some MUST live with a 17th century mentality. i guess it's ok to stone your wife or all of the other things that were considered "ok" from those times. i feel the stepford vibe as well. and the person that is the so called expert..HA! can you say arrogant, close minded, insensitive, sense of entitlement and everything other nasty personality trait out there combined? |
#98
2009/06/06 04:25PM
Re: Abortion Doctor Murdered
alwaysEJ |
Y'all are too much. If I weren't happily sorting through my wedding invite list you all might be enough to ruin my good mood. |
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#99
2009/06/06 04:43PM
Re: Abortion Doctor Murdered
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alwaysEJ |
Quote grits1976: The reason I am prolife is b/c I think everyone has the right to life. I am also pro birth control pills and condoms as a form of birth control, but for a woman to have an abortion after she can feel her baby move inside her takes a special kind of cold. Using abortion as birth control after a night of mindless Fnkiug is wrong in my mind but I'm an advocate of personal responsibility (something that most liberals find offensive). Now on to the Death penalty issue... these people weren't aborted and that may be unfortunate for society. They at least had a chance at life they messed up so there are consequences. I think that therapy should be the first option but in a murder case like for example Ted Bundy, who raped and killed many women across the country, the death penalty is warranted. Mr. Bundy if memory serves was housed and supported by the state of Fla for close to a decade if not more than. Grits...I'm going to have to say it's just not worth it. There are many people out there who comprehend the idea that babies are innocent & deserve life. It is quite a simple idea - babies deserve to live. Their right to life should be protected by our laws in the same way my right to life & your right to life are protected by law. Luckily for many unborn babies, their mothers understand this too, despite a society that tells them the child growing inside them is expendable. We consider the most egregious offenders in society to be those who violate children & those who murder, & yet abortion is both of these wrapped into one, & it's a 'choice?' Anyway, you can read the posts directed at me & see how welcoming dissenting voices are...& the assumptions made & words put in your mouth (like 'Oh, you must support men stoning their wives."). Proceed with caution 
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#100
2009/06/06 05:02PM
Re: Abortion Doctor Murdered
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sarahconnor |
Quote alwaysEJ: Y'all are too much. If I weren't happily sorting through my wedding invite list you all might be enough to ruin my good mood. I am tired of reading 'everyone has a right to their opinion' & 'don't judge others' from the same posters who tell me I am heartless & a hypocrite. Those statements sound a little...what's the word...judgmental to me. As I said, I would be open to debate on the death penalty (which is punishment for criminals who have violated others in society in a grievous way) if we weren't killing innocent babies by the thousands daily. Let's let the innocent ones live, & then have a chat about what to do with those who violate others. I (I being 'the ONE') know that children can prey on other children & that yes, there are some women who prey on children. I think of repeat offenders (who are usually adult men) as the ones who deserve the death penalty. So while the term 'pedophile' can be applied to a wide array of folks, I was speaking of those I believe merit death. Look up the child rapists who have been put to death...they are adult males. The ONE says everyone have a great Saturday. And Grits, you hit the nail on the head with personal responsibility. It's a beautiful thing. Wait, wait...editing to add these to the list of terms the non-judgmental posters use to describe me: "arrogant, close minded, insensitive, sense of entitlement and everything other nasty personality trait out there combined" well...this is how i see it. if someone has the right to cast their own judgments out there w/out regard or sympathy to personal accounts of others then that person just might receive a judgment in return...if the shoe fits after all. 
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#101
2009/06/06 05:10PM
Re: Abortion Doctor Murdered
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alwaysEJ |
Quote sarahconnor: Quote alwaysEJ: Y'all are too much. If I weren't happily sorting through my wedding invite list you all might be enough to ruin my good mood. I am tired of reading 'everyone has a right to their opinion' & 'don't judge others' from the same posters who tell me I am heartless & a hypocrite. Those statements sound a little...what's the word...judgmental to me. As I said, I would be open to debate on the death penalty (which is punishment for criminals who have violated others in society in a grievous way) if we weren't killing innocent babies by the thousands daily. Let's let the innocent ones live, & then have a chat about what to do with those who violate others. I (I being 'the ONE') know that children can prey on other children & that yes, there are some women who prey on children. I think of repeat offenders (who are usually adult men) as the ones who deserve the death penalty. So while the term 'pedophile' can be applied to a wide array of folks, I was speaking of those I believe merit death. Look up the child rapists who have been put to death...they are adult males. The ONE says everyone have a great Saturday. And Grits, you hit the nail on the head with personal responsibility. It's a beautiful thing. Wait, wait...editing to add these to the list of terms the non-judgmental posters use to describe me: "arrogant, close minded, insensitive, sense of entitlement and everything other nasty personality trait out there combined" well...this is how i see it. if someone has the right to cast their own judgments out there w/out regard or sympathy to personal accounts of others then that person just might receive a judgment in return...if the shoe fits after all. I haven't commented on any of the personal stories in this thread & actually haven't read them in full, however one account of someone who aborted their child is not going to change my mind on abortion anymore than me telling a story of a woman who kept her child & is glad, or aborted her child & is devastated, is going to change the mind of someone who is pro-choice. I just don't care if you think I am judgmental (or heartless or whatever)...but I am a stickler for irony, & those calling me judgmental & hypocritical - are being judgmental & hypocritical. |
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#102
2009/06/06 05:35PM
Re: Abortion Doctor Murdered
clicquot1 |
Quote alwaysEJ: Y'all are too much. If I weren't happily sorting through my wedding invite list you all might be enough to ruin my good mood. I am tired of reading 'everyone has a right to their opinion' & 'don't judge others' from the same posters who tell me I am heartless & a hypocrite. Those statements sound a little...what's the word...judgmental to me. As I said, I would be open to debate on the death penalty (which is punishment for criminals who have violated others in society in a grievous way) if we weren't killing innocent babies by the thousands daily. Let's let the innocent ones live, & then have a chat about what to do with those who violate others. I (I being 'the ONE') know that children can prey on other children & that yes, there are some women who prey on children. I think of repeat offenders (who are usually adult men) as the ones who deserve the death penalty. So while the term 'pedophile' can be applied to a wide array of folks, I was speaking of those I believe merit death. Look up the child rapists who have been put to death...they are adult males. The ONE says everyone have a great Saturday. And Grits, you hit the nail on the head with personal responsibility. It's a beautiful thing. Wait, wait...editing to add these to the list of terms the non-judgmental posters use to describe me: "arrogant, close minded, insensitive, sense of entitlement and everything other nasty personality trait out there combined" One question, are you considering CATHOLIC PRIESTS who are pedophiles in that category too? Catholic priests who have had their "crimes" covered up by the church for years and instead of turning these men in to the police, they were just shipped from parish to parish? I'm just curious because I went to a Catholic school and some of my friends were molested, of course I did NOT know this until a few years ago. And NO, they did not sue the church. When I first read about what was going on in the church it was 1985, one of our 2 city papers at the time did an exerpt from a book that was written about several parishes in Louisianna(not my state). Just curious. I'm no longer Catholic. |
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#103
2009/06/06 05:43PM
Re: Abortion Doctor Murdered
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sarahconnor |
Quote alwaysEJ: Quote grits1976: The reason I am prolife is b/c I think everyone has the right to life. I am also pro birth control pills and condoms as a form of birth control, but for a woman to have an abortion after she can feel her baby move inside her takes a special kind of cold. Using abortion as birth control after a night of mindless Fnkiug is wrong in my mind but I'm an advocate of personal responsibility (something that most liberals find offensive). Now on to the Death penalty issue... these people weren't aborted and that may be unfortunate for society. They at least had a chance at life they messed up so there are consequences. I think that therapy should be the first option but in a murder case like for example Ted Bundy, who raped and killed many women across the country, the death penalty is warranted. Mr. Bundy if memory serves was housed and supported by the state of Fla for close to a decade if not more than. Grits...I'm going to have to say it's just not worth it. There are many people out there who comprehend the idea that babies are innocent & deserve life. It is quite a simple idea - babies deserve to live. Their right to life should be protected by our laws in the same way my right to life & your right to life are protected by law. Luckily for many unborn babies, their mothers understand this too, despite a society that tells them the child growing inside them is expendable. We consider the most egregious offenders in society to be those who violate children & those who murder, & yet abortion is both of these wrapped into one, & it's a 'choice?' Anyway, you can read the posts directed at me & see how welcoming dissenting voices are...& the assumptions made & words put in your mouth (like 'Oh, you must support men stoning their wives."). Proceed with caution must we rehash this again? sigh. must we? there are also many who comprehend pro choice and do not consider abortion as the murder of babies. they (we) believe first and foremost it is the choice of the person who would carry the fetus and bring this fetus into life. i would say a large number of people do not equate abortion to murder at all. so yes, it's a choice of what you wish to do with YOUR body. you can choose to host a fetus or not. RVW is humane. regardless of your viewpoint, without RVW, abortion would still happen. it would just become more gruesome and inhumane. this is where our opinions differ greatly. it's also a simple idea that women deserve freedom of choice when it comes to their bodies..however it is a struggle for some to proceed with an open mind....i do get that. i know you are busy with your wedding and everything..did your husband allow you to pick out your dress? there is a big huge world out there so i hope everything works out just perfectly....i am not sure if you have an education or not (some people, their husbands don't allow that) so i do hope things work out as they would in a perfect world...i'm not sure what your hobbies are outside of your kitchen but i'm sure you'll make a splendid wife and make him SO proud. If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city. Deuteronomy 22:23-24 - old Testament HOWEVER if you go by the new Testament and it's reasonings for why Jesus was sent, it was forgiveness for all. Jesus was the most forgiving and open minded - that was what was preached. not hate..not stoning anyone...not casting our judgments upon another person's situation. none of the disgusting things from the old Testament. |
#104
2009/06/06 05:52PM
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sarahconnor |
Quote alwaysEJ: Quote sarahconnor: Quote alwaysEJ: Y'all are too much. If I weren't happily sorting through my wedding invite list you all might be enough to ruin my good mood. I am tired of reading 'everyone has a right to their opinion' & 'don't judge others' from the same posters who tell me I am heartless & a hypocrite. Those statements sound a little...what's the word...judgmental to me. As I said, I would be open to debate on the death penalty (which is punishment for criminals who have violated others in society in a grievous way) if we weren't killing innocent babies by the thousands daily. Let's let the innocent ones live, & then have a chat about what to do with those who violate others. I (I being 'the ONE') know that children can prey on other children & that yes, there are some women who prey on children. I think of repeat offenders (who are usually adult men) as the ones who deserve the death penalty. So while the term 'pedophile' can be applied to a wide array of folks, I was speaking of those I believe merit death. Look up the child rapists who have been put to death...they are adult males. The ONE says everyone have a great Saturday. And Grits, you hit the nail on the head with personal responsibility. It's a beautiful thing. Wait, wait...editing to add these to the list of terms the non-judgmental posters use to describe me: "arrogant, close minded, insensitive, sense of entitlement and everything other nasty personality trait out there combined" well...this is how i see it. if someone has the right to cast their own judgments out there w/out regard or sympathy to personal accounts of others then that person just might receive a judgment in return...if the shoe fits after all. I haven't commented on any of the personal stories in this thread & actually haven't read them in full, however one account of someone who aborted their child is not going to change my mind on abortion anymore than me telling a story of a woman who kept her child & is glad, or aborted her child & is devastated, is going to change the mind of someone who is pro-choice. I just don't care if you think I am judgmental (or heartless or whatever)...but I am a stickler for irony, & those calling me judgmental & hypocritical - are being judgmental & hypocritical. yep that last part is a bit true. there is some judgment coming your way b/c of some things said by "you". maybe we are being a bit hypocritical in *that* sense...BUT none of us act as if we have the right answer for it all either. we're pretty sympathetic to other people and what they go through - we can see many shades of gray..not just black & white. we can see outside the box. like i said if the shoe fits. i don't care about your opinions about me either so i guess it's all good. |
#105
2009/06/06 06:06PM
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alwaysEJ |
Ok to answer the Catholic priest question...I am not Catholic & I think the church did a terrible job dealing with those priests. They are pedophiles & deserve the same punishment as anyone else who committed the crime they did. In regard to the death penalty, I believe a pedophile can be put to death only if the child is killed. A Louisiana case went to the S.C. in 2008 involving putting to death child rapists who had not killed their victim & the S.C., 5-4, said states could not execute child rapists, regardless of the age of their victim or how many times they had raped a child, unless they also killed one or more of their rape victims. As far as I know, no Catholic priest killed any of those they molested. |
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