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Legalize Gay Marriage
Started by cats meow at 2009/05/30 09:20AMLatest post: 2009/06/09 08:38AM, Views: 930, Replies: 88
juliet |
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Quote juliet: cats you are so right with your post. also we have to live with the choices we make. each to their own lol  thank you, sometimes i turn into my mother, LOL and get out of control, she was so cool and spoke her mind, all the time 
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juliet |
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Quote alwaysEJ: Legally speaking, marriage is whatever each state's constitution defines it to be. The U.S. Constitution says nothing about marriage - between anyone - therefore the states can define marriage however they please. There is no 'right' to marry for anyone. Only those people who are granted the legal right to marry by their state laws have the 'right' to marry. Marriage & divorce laws vary greatly from state to state & this has always been the case. I am thrilled that the CA S.C. upheld the vote of the people recently. As with almost every issue not mentioned by the U.S. Constitution, I believe the people of each state should be allowed to vote on matters that would change their state's laws. Had the voters of CA voted to legalize gay marriage, I would not want the CA S.C. to step in & nullify that. State supreme courts should not be in the business of making law - not now, not ever. Let people vote! Yes, I know..."But marriage is a right & people shouldn't get to vote on others' rights!" The 'right to marry' is stated nowhere in the U.S. Constitution. Marriage is not a 'right' even between a man & a woman other than how it is defined by the laws of the state in which they live & wish to marry. Freedom of speech is a right, carrying a gun is a right, life is a right - & these are all being infringed upon as we speak. Marriage is not a right guaranteed to any U.S. citizen. i was just surfing the net and i came across this, i must tell you i was shocked!!!! i had no idea of the magnitude of this, makes you REALLY stop and think www.religioustolerance.org/mar_bene.htm On the order of 1,400 legal rights are conferred upon married couples in the U.S. Typically these are composed of about 400 state benefits and over 1,000 federal benefits. Among them are the rights to: bullet joint parenting; bullet joint adoption; bullet joint foster care, custody, and visitation (including non-biological parents); bullet status as next-of-kin for hospital visits and medical decisions where one partner is too ill to be competent; bullet joint insurance policies for home, auto and health; bullet dissolution and divorce protections such as community property and child support; bullet immigration and residency for partners from other countries; bullet inheritance automatically in the absence of a will; bullet joint leases with automatic renewal rights in the event one partner dies or leaves the house or apartment; bullet inheritance of jointly-owned real and personal property through the right of survivorship (which avoids the time and expense and taxes in probate); bullet benefits such as annuities, pension plans, Social Security, and Medicare; bullet spousal exemptions to property tax increases upon the death of one partner who is a co-owner of the home; bullet veterans' discounts on medical care, education, and home loans; joint filing of tax returns; bullet joint filing of customs claims when traveling; bullet wrongful death benefits for a surviving partner and children; bullet bereavement or sick leave to care for a partner or child; bullet decision-making power with respect to whether a deceased partner will be cremated or not and where to bury him or her; bullet crime victims' recovery benefits; bullet loss of consortium tort benefits; bullet domestic violence protection orders; bullet judicial protections and evidentiary immunity; bullet and more.... Most of these legal and economic benefits cannot be privately arranged or contracted for. For example, absent a legal (or civil) marriage, there is no guaranteed joint responsibility to the partner and to third parties (including children) in such areas as child support, debts to creditors, taxes, etc. In addition, private employers and institutions often give other economic privileges and other benefits (special rates or memberships) only to married couples. And, of course, when people cannot marry, they are denied all the emotional and social benefits and responsibilities of marriage as well. |
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Wow Cats that is interesting. You know I normally don't read the links ....Generally I trust people and don't need them to cite sources....So I didn't read this one either. |
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cats meow |
Quote Plot-Twister: Wow Cats that is interesting. You know I normally don't read the links ....Generally I trust people and don't need them to cite sources....So I didn't read this one either. But.....Dang....with all of that what would a "civil union" leave out? Because if it is different than a marriage shouldn't it actually be different? Many on this board have said that with a civil union people would still be able to make medical decisions and be with their "spouse" while terminally ill. But what about the kids (if there are any)? What rights of "marriage" would they lose under a civil union? i know, i was absolutely shocked at the differences, we have close friends that have been together a very long time, 15 years, 27, years, 31, years, this is just awful!!! a dear friend of ours has 2 nieces that went to canada to get married, we live very near the border, not everyone one has that luxury |
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Plot-Twister |
Here is a question I honestly don't know the answer to, forgive my ignorance....Is a marriage performed in a state (or country) that honors gay marrige recognized in states that do not? |
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Quote Plot-Twister: Here is a question I honestly don't know the answer to, forgive my ignorance....Is a marriage performed in a state (or country) that honors gay marrige recognized in states that do not? No Plot, I am ashamed to say that a marriage is not recognized in many states in which it is still not legal. The state of New York and Washington, D.C. are all that recognize legal same-sex marriages from other jurisdictions but do not perform their own. My boss and his partner were married in Massachusetts. He had his massive heartache in the state of GA. His husband was not allowed any rights whatsoever concerning the funeral and his burial. In fact the hateful parents forbid him from even attending the ceremony. Their son wanted his property to go to his husband as well as his body cremated and ashes spread in NC were they lived. The parents refused their sons last wishes out of nothing but pure hate. The company they had built together from the ground up and shared as partners was half taken over by his family who ended up running his husband out of business. He was left with nothing, not even their home. Really nice family he had there huh? I hope they can live a happy rest of their life knowing that they went against all of their dead sons wishes. He was 54 when he died and none of his wishes were carried out even though they were in writing drawn up by an attorney. I thank God that I was born with parents who would NEVER have done such a thing. You see my parents loved me NOT some social bs to keep them the high end of the social bible thumping status they pretending to belong to. I guess if all these people so against gay marriage were to produce a gay child of their own they would completely disown them. Parents like that are bad parents imo. They love their opinions more than they love their children. Shameful! |
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juliet |
also all we can do is raise our child the best way we can but when they get to be adults their is really nothing we can do about them or their choices. |
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I don't know if it is this way in every state, but I know in mine, if you have a civil union, as long as you have a legal document that states what you want your "spouse" to have, they get it. Granted, it is extra work for gay people to have to do. But in my state that is the way they compensate gay people. |
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And Plot, wannazach is right. Gay mrriages are only recognized in the states where they were performed, and they are only recognized as long as the act is legal. To word that last part better, if you are gay and were married when it was legal in CA, you are no longer married in CA. |
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Quote lovesit: And Plot, wannazach is right. Gay mrriages are only recognized in the states where they were performed, and they are only recognized as long as the act is legal. To word that last part better, if you are gay and were married when it was legal in CA, you are no longer married in CA. Actually, in California they repealled the law, but didn't disolve the marriages previously completed. |
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Quote Plot-Twister: Quote lovesit: And Plot, wannazach is right. Gay mrriages are only recognized in the states where they were performed, and they are only recognized as long as the act is legal. To word that last part better, if you are gay and were married when it was legal in CA, you are no longer married in CA. Actually, in California they repealled the law, but didn't disolve the marriages previously completed. Ah, that's what I was under the impression of as well. If I were one of the married couples and they dissolved my marriage, at the very least I'd be suing the broke a$$ state for the fees for my marriage liscence. It's horrid that they've taken away the right to marry but I suppose it's nice they were 'gracious' enough to allow those who had already married to stay married. Personally, I'm thanking the higher powers right now that I live in Canada. I'm not at the point of getting married but I'm certainly glad/grateful I have the ability to do so once I'm ready. |
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Quote Plot-Twister: Quote lovesit: And Plot, wannazach is right. Gay mrriages are only recognized in the states where they were performed, and they are only recognized as long as the act is legal. To word that last part better, if you are gay and were married when it was legal in CA, you are no longer married in CA. Actually, in California they repealled the law, but didn't disolve the marriages previously completed. Oh, I thought i read where they were absolved. Of course, if my memory serves me well, I read that about Ellen in a gossip mag, or Rosie. See how important it is to read multiple legitimate sources  ?
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