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Supreme Court pick
Started by cats meow at 2009/05/27 08:05AMLatest post: 2009/06/04 02:14PM, Views: 835, Replies: 93
#41
2009/06/02 07:36PM
Re: Supreme Court pick
rei1 |
Quote raving: Quote rei1: When I was pregnant with both of my children I told the doc that I don't want the results of any of the tests they did to detect deformity....I knew I was pregnant and knew that I was going to have a baby..that's all I needed to know! I'm not advising anyone to do what I did, I just wanted to say that what I was carrying was a child and whatever God saw fit for me to have was what I was going to have. If the doc's said to me that my child was deformed in anyway I would still have the child.I didn't need a bloodtest to test my convictions. I walk the walk. We may not have enough money to raise another child, but we do sponser children that are very needy....to assume that All pro-life people are hypocrits, really makes a person look awefully ....well I won't say it! well....that is not the brightest idea,....regardless of what you know medically about your unborn child...if you are true to your convictions then it should not matter what the results are to you....but to not have them and be woefully unprepared for a a child with say a cleft pallet....or a child missing some chromosomes....that is just silly and irresponsible....medicine has come so far....of course you should find out...when you put it that way it makes it sound as if, had you known anything, you might have aborted....or given the child up for adoption..... No I had never thought that if my child was deformed I would abort or give my child up...quite the opposite and medically speaking if my child did have a problem I would do what I could to help that child....you can't really do plastic surgery on a fetus...the baby would have to be born first if that baby did have a cleft pallet. If the baby was downs then I would do what I would have to do after he/she is born....what can be done in the womb to help that child? That child would have to be born first. I think my actions speak very loudly that I would NEVER ABORT! And, I said that I would take anything that God saw fit for me to have. Where did you see that I would abort or give my child up? |
#42
2009/06/02 07:37PM
Re: Supreme Court pick
alwaysEJ |
Quote raving: Quote rei1: When I was pregnant with both of my children I told the doc that I don't want the results of any of the tests they did to detect deformity....I knew I was pregnant and knew that I was going to have a baby..that's all I needed to know! I'm not advising anyone to do what I did, I just wanted to say that what I was carrying was a child and whatever God saw fit for me to have was what I was going to have. If the doc's said to me that my child was deformed in anyway I would still have the child.I didn't need a bloodtest to test my convictions. I walk the walk. We may not have enough money to raise another child, but we do sponser children that are very needy....to assume that All pro-life people are hypocrits, really makes a person look awefully ....well I won't say it! well....that is not the brightest idea,....regardless of what you know medically about your unborn child...if you are true to your convictions then it should not matter what the results are to you....but to not have them and be woefully unprepared for a a child with say a cleft pallet....or a child missing some chromosomes....that is just silly and irresponsible....medicine has come so far....of course you should find out...when you put it that way it makes it sound as if, had known anything you might have aborted....or given the child up for adoption..... I would want to know now b/c there are things they can do during the pregnancy if there are problems...I know doctors have operated on an unborn baby. There is a picture of a baby that was around 20 weeks grabbing the finger of the doctor who was operating...the child, I think his name is Samuel, is now 9. I have no idea when Rei had her children & what was medically possible at that time. This is an article I found that discuses Sotomayor & abortion. www.nytimes.com/2009/05/28/us/politics/28abortion.html She has no major rulings on abortion. Apparently the fact that she is Hispanic & was raised Roman Catholic is making some pro-choice groups uneasy (Hispanic I suppose b/c as a group, they trend pro-life). I highly doubt Obama would nominate her had he not had a discussion with her regarding her views on abortion, specifically whether she believes the 'right' to an abortion is contained in the Constitution. However, the article cites Souter, nominated by George H.W. Bush, whose tenure on the court did not pan out as Bush would've wanted. |
#43
2009/06/02 07:42PM
Re: Supreme Court pick
wannazach |
Quote raving: Quote rei1: When I was pregnant with both of my children I told the doc that I don't want the results of any of the tests they did to detect deformity....I knew I was pregnant and knew that I was going to have a baby..that's all I needed to know! I'm not advising anyone to do what I did, I just wanted to say that what I was carrying was a child and whatever God saw fit for me to have was what I was going to have. If the doc's said to me that my child was deformed in anyway I would still have the child.I didn't need a bloodtest to test my convictions. I walk the walk. We may not have enough money to raise another child, but we do sponser children that are very needy....to assume that All pro-life people are hypocrits, really makes a person look awefully ....well I won't say it! well....that is not the brightest idea,....regardless of what you know medically about your unborn child...if you are true to your convictions then it should not matter what the results are to you....but to not have them and be woefully unprepared for a a child with say a cleft pallet....or a child missing some chromosomes....that is just silly and irresponsible....medicine has come so far....of course you should find out...when you put it that way it makes it sound as if, had you known anything, you might have aborted....or given the child up for adoption..... Well my point has been proven completely.  Pro-lifers who say they can not afford to adopt one of the children they insist must be born.. hmmmmmm...now when these are the very people where say there is a husband and the wife both working and they have very few children of their own. OK now if a 2 income family with say only 2-3 kids cannot afford to adopt as they praise to do....then how to h^ll does a homeless teenage drug addicted mother afford it. Or how about a single homeless woman with say has 6 kids already she can't feed. Now how does it make sense that those single poor mothers can afford them when the working ones with homes say they can't. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... interesting scenerio isn't it. It is another one of those do as I say not as do. VERY few pro-lifers give a sh#t about the kids after they get them here. You know, not in my backyard is the way it seems. imo if you don't practice it don't preach. If I am not adopting a child then I am not telling anyone to have their child and put it up for adoption. I would feel very hyocrital to not do as I tell others to do. 
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#44
2009/06/02 07:47PM
Re: Supreme Court pick
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alwaysEJ |
I really do not understand this...abortion serves many purposes for many people, but to promote the idea that unborn children who are less than perfect are candidates for abortion is tragic. People with Downs Syndrome are some of the sweetest people on earth & many learn to do jobs others don't want, & they do it with a smile & love every minute of it. I cannot imagine learning I was pregnant w/a baby with Downs & even considering aborting the child. |
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2009/06/02 07:53PM
#45
2009/06/02 07:57PM
Re: Supreme Court pick
raving |
Quote rei1: Quote raving: Quote rei1: When I was pregnant with both of my children I told the doc that I don't want the results of any of the tests they did to detect deformity....I knew I was pregnant and knew that I was going to have a baby..that's all I needed to know! I'm not advising anyone to do what I did, I just wanted to say that what I was carrying was a child and whatever God saw fit for me to have was what I was going to have. If the doc's said to me that my child was deformed in anyway I would still have the child.I didn't need a bloodtest to test my convictions. I walk the walk. We may not have enough money to raise another child, but we do sponser children that are very needy....to assume that All pro-life people are hypocrits, really makes a person look awefully ....well I won't say it! well....that is not the brightest idea,....regardless of what you know medically about your unborn child...if you are true to your convictions then it should not matter what the results are to you....but to not have them and be woefully unprepared for a a child with say a cleft pallet....or a child missing some chromosomes....that is just silly and irresponsible....medicine has come so far....of course you should find out...when you put it that way it makes it sound as if, had you known anything, you might have aborted....or given the child up for adoption..... No I had never thought that if my child was deformed I would abort or give my child up...quite the opposite and medically speaking if my child did have a problem I would do what I could to help that child....you can't really do plastic surgery on a fetus...the baby would have to be born first if that baby did have a cleft pallet. If the baby was downs then I would do what I would have to do after he/she is born....what can be done in the womb to help that child? That child would have to be born first. I think my actions speak very loudly that I would NEVER ABORT! And, I said that I would take anything that God saw fit for me to have. Where did you see that I would abort or give my child up? what I am saying rei is that by basically telling all the women here who may or may not be mothers yet....that you would not even allow the routine testing to better mentally prepare yourself for what might happen...ie...line up the best experts and drs...that you possibly could...to understand time frames of when surgeries or intervention might help...is irresponsible and ignorant.....people need to be prepared for what might be coming there way. Some things,,....such as metabolic disorders can be treated in the womb............so to me it sounded like you were essentially refusing to seek the knowledge of possibilities....they cannot tell you your child will be retarded in the womb any more than they can give a fetus an IQ test....we are talking about tests that save childrens lives...and prepare unsuspecting parents for a life time of being informed...wth not start in the womb...or does your religion prevent you from simple routine blood test while pregnant! |
#46
2009/06/02 07:58PM
Re: Supreme Court pick
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wannazach |
Quote alwaysEJ: I really do not understand this...abortion serves many purposes for many people, but to promote the idea that unborn children who are less than perfect are candidates for abortion is tragic. People with Downs Syndrome are some of the sweetest people on earth & many learn to do jobs others don't want, & they do it with a smile & love every minute of it. I cannot imagine learning I was pregnant w/a baby with Downs & even considering aborting the child. Exactly, these are wonderful children so why out of the millions of pro-lifers are there so many Downs Syndrome children in orphanages? I just don't understand. This is not personally directed at you but just in general, it is like people are telling these mothers you HAVE to have your baby and then you can just put it up for adoption "BUT" don't look at me because I am out of here. jmho |
#47
2009/06/02 08:16PM
Re: Supreme Court pick
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rei1 |
Quote raving: Quote rei1: Quote raving: Quote rei1: When I was pregnant with both of my children I told the doc that I don't want the results of any of the tests they did to detect deformity....I knew I was pregnant and knew that I was going to have a baby..that's all I needed to know! I'm not advising anyone to do what I did, I just wanted to say that what I was carrying was a child and whatever God saw fit for me to have was what I was going to have. If the doc's said to me that my child was deformed in anyway I would still have the child.I didn't need a bloodtest to test my convictions. I walk the walk. We may not have enough money to raise another child, but we do sponser children that are very needy....to assume that All pro-life people are hypocrits, really makes a person look awefully ....well I won't say it! well....that is not the brightest idea,....regardless of what you know medically about your unborn child...if you are true to your convictions then it should not matter what the results are to you....but to not have them and be woefully unprepared for a a child with say a cleft pallet....or a child missing some chromosomes....that is just silly and irresponsible....medicine has come so far....of course you should find out...when you put it that way it makes it sound as if, had you known anything, you might have aborted....or given the child up for adoption..... No I had never thought that if my child was deformed I would abort or give my child up...quite the opposite and medically speaking if my child did have a problem I would do what I could to help that child....you can't really do plastic surgery on a fetus...the baby would have to be born first if that baby did have a cleft pallet. If the baby was downs then I would do what I would have to do after he/she is born....what can be done in the womb to help that child? That child would have to be born first. I think my actions speak very loudly that I would NEVER ABORT! And, I said that I would take anything that God saw fit for me to have. Where did you see that I would abort or give my child up? what I am saying rei is that by basically telling all the women here who may or may not be mothers yet....that you would not even allow the routine testing to better mentally prepare yourself for what might happen...ie...line up the best experts and drs...that you possibly could...to understand time frames of when surgeries or intervention might help...is irresponsible and ignorant.....people need to be prepared for what might be coming there way. Some things,,....such as metabolic disorders can be treated in the womb............so to me it sounded like you were essentially refusing to seek the knowledge of possibilities....they cannot tell you your child will be retarded in the womb any more than they can give a fetus an IQ test....we are talking about tests that save childrens lives...and prepare unsuspecting parents for a life time of being informed...wth not start in the womb...or does your religion prevent you from simple routine blood test while pregnant! I was saying that I didn't want the results, I took the tests, but the results were not a factor to what I was going to do about the baby. I also said that I do not advise anyone to do what I did. That being said your right and EJ is also right about getting testing done. I was tested for Downs only and that most certainly can be detected while the baby is still in the womb. That was the result I didn't want to know about, because there is nothing that can be done about that. There are more invasive testing that can other deformities if the initial blood work came back suspicious. One can detect Spinal Bifida..and my cousin's baby did test positive for that and she had elective surgery to try to repair that while six months pregnant...her beautiful daughter is way better off having that surgery. She still has spinal bifida, but she could have been worse off. Like I said my testing was strictly for downs, and I know that no matter what God gave me, it was what was meant to be for me and my child. Sorry If I confused you or anyone else reading my post. I was mearly saying that I would never Abort no matter what any doctor told me about my baby. I know that it seems in this day and age that putting your trust in God is not popular, but that is exactly what I do. |
#48
2009/06/02 09:02PM
Re: Supreme Court pick
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raving |
what if you were to have a tubal pregnancy?...would you abort then or let your tubes explode and then never be able to have children on your own?......sometimes we forget about other reasons people have abortions. |
#49
2009/06/02 09:17PM
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wannazach |
Quote raving: what if you were to have a tubal pregnancy?...would you abort then or let your tubes explode and then never be able to have children on your own?......sometimes we forget about other reasons people have abortions. You know a tubal pregancy can also kill a woman. But if it is Gods will and they put their trust in him to take care of it then I guess it will be done the way he intends it to be, They will leave the fetus growing in the tubes until they die since they will not abort the fetus. I mean if the mother dies then that is how God wants it to be and it should be and is meant to be. I wonder how many women ACTUALLY do allow themselves to die for this reason of not aborting their unvialbe fetus. I mean they do say they would never abort a child and this is a child. |
#50
2009/06/03 05:42AM
Re: Supreme Court pick
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alwaysEJ |
A tubal pregnancy has zero chance of developing into a healthy child since the child cannot get any nutrients implanted in the fallopian tube. |
#51
2009/06/03 06:03AM
Re: Supreme Court pick
bigtimesoapfan |
Quote rei1: Quote raving: Quote rei1: When I was pregnant with both of my children I told the doc that I don't want the results of any of the tests they did to detect deformity....I knew I was pregnant and knew that I was going to have a baby..that's all I needed to know! I'm not advising anyone to do what I did, I just wanted to say that what I was carrying was a child and whatever God saw fit for me to have was what I was going to have. If the doc's said to me that my child was deformed in anyway I would still have the child.I didn't need a bloodtest to test my convictions. I walk the walk. We may not have enough money to raise another child, but we do sponser children that are very needy....to assume that All pro-life people are hypocrits, really makes a person look awefully ....well I won't say it! well....that is not the brightest idea,....regardless of what you know medically about your unborn child...if you are true to your convictions then it should not matter what the results are to you....but to not have them and be woefully unprepared for a a child with say a cleft pallet....or a child missing some chromosomes....that is just silly and irresponsible....medicine has come so far....of course you should find out...when you put it that way it makes it sound as if, had you known anything, you might have aborted....or given the child up for adoption..... No I had never thought that if my child was deformed I would abort or give my child up...quite the opposite and medically speaking if my child did have a problem I would do what I could to help that child....you can't really do plastic surgery on a fetus...the baby would have to be born first if that baby did have a cleft pallet. If the baby was downs then I would do what I would have to do after he/she is born....what can be done in the womb to help that child? That child would have to be born first. I think my actions speak very loudly that I would NEVER ABORT! And, I said that I would take anything that God saw fit for me to have. Where did you see that I would abort or give my child up? I work for an agency that supports mentally disabled adults and children (and other special needs). I applaud you on your views. Some of the stories for the people I support are heart wrenching!! I agree with you 100% I had the tests but no matter the outcome I would have had my children! It was Gods will even if it came at a bad time for me!! I wouldn't change a thing!! |
#52
2009/06/03 06:07AM
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bigtimesoapfan |
Quote wannazach: Quote raving: Quote rei1: When I was pregnant with both of my children I told the doc that I don't want the results of any of the tests they did to detect deformity....I knew I was pregnant and knew that I was going to have a baby..that's all I needed to know! I'm not advising anyone to do what I did, I just wanted to say that what I was carrying was a child and whatever God saw fit for me to have was what I was going to have. If the doc's said to me that my child was deformed in anyway I would still have the child.I didn't need a bloodtest to test my convictions. I walk the walk. We may not have enough money to raise another child, but we do sponser children that are very needy....to assume that All pro-life people are hypocrits, really makes a person look awefully ....well I won't say it! well....that is not the brightest idea,....regardless of what you know medically about your unborn child...if you are true to your convictions then it should not matter what the results are to you....but to not have them and be woefully unprepared for a a child with say a cleft pallet....or a child missing some chromosomes....that is just silly and irresponsible....medicine has come so far....of course you should find out...when you put it that way it makes it sound as if, had you known anything, you might have aborted....or given the child up for adoption..... Well my point has been proven completely. Pro-lifers who say they can not afford to adopt one of the children they insist must be born.. hmmmmmm...now when these are the very people where say there is a husband and the wife both working and they have very few children of their own. OK now if a 2 income family with say only 2-3 kids cannot afford to adopt as they praise to do....then how to h^ll does a homeless teenage drug addicted mother afford it. Or how about a single homeless woman with say has 6 kids already she can't feed. Now how does it make sense that those single poor mothers can afford them when the working ones with homes say they can't. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... interesting scenerio isn't it. It is another one of those do as I say not as do. VERY few pro-lifers give a sh#t about the kids after they get them here. You know, not in my backyard is the way it seems. imo if you don't practice it don't preach. If I am not adopting a child then I am not telling anyone to have their child and put it up for adoption. I would feel very hyocrital to not do as I tell others to do. well the key to solving this is too teach girls to stop spreading 'em!! or to use protection!!! also the fact that some people use abortion as birth control is sickening! Who are we to decide wich child is more worthy of being born? how do you explain to your kids later that you aborted this one but now your ready, give me a break!! And that goes for my own sister by the way!! Murder in any form is wrong and that IS what abortion is!!! You can try and wrap it up any way you like but ending( or taking) a life is MURDER!!!!!!!!!! |
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#53
2009/06/03 06:11AM
Re: Supreme Court pick
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bigtimesoapfan |
Quote raving: what if you were to have a tubal pregnancy?...would you abort then or let your tubes explode and then never be able to have children on your own?......sometimes we forget about other reasons people have abortions. your reaching for straws now! Since a tubal pregnancy can Kill you it's a little different!! But also most pass on their own( a friend of mine had one about 6 years ago) once the baby gets to big! |
#54
2009/06/03 06:18AM
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bigtimesoapfan |
Quote alwaysEJ: Quote bigtimesoapfan: Is she qualified? From the sounds of things she is, so Other than that I could care less! What 'sounds' have you heard that let you know she is qualified? I mean next month as her confirmation hearings begin in the Senate one of her rulings is likely going to be reversed by the Supreme Court, & it won't be the first. I try not to watch! I watch the local news! Because it's matters for me where I am! All this other crap what do I need the supreme court for! Like I could even afford to get a case there!! I have no idea who she is but Obama hired her for a reason good or bad we'll soon find out I'm sure!! |
#55
2009/06/03 06:24AM
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bigtimesoapfan |
Quote raving: Quote alwaysEJ: Quote wannazach: I have a quick question. Can the pro-lifers who continually change threads to that subject PLEASE tell us how many unwanted children they have? I would really love to know because I think that you must REALLY care about unwanted children coming into this world so that people like you can give them a loving caring home. I mean there is no reason why every pro-lifer has not adopted. Please let us see some pictures of your adopted children. Have any of you adopted the older and handicapped kids that have been in the system their entire lives? God bless all you wonderful people who care enough to take in the kids you save. Pro-lifers are wonderful people. They care enough about the children to not just make sure they are born but to make sure that they have loving parents, a good home and a wonderful life. I am surprised we even need orphanages with the way Pro-lifers are taking control of their stance on the issue. I want you all to know that God is proud of you for practicing what you preach and I am proud of you too. Thank you guys for giving the children you save a wonderful, wonderful life. Imo all you guys will definately be rewarded in heaven for being so kind to they children you save. "God Bless" you all for your kind caring hearts! Well I think the most appropriate response to this would be  Despite the sarcasm dripping from your post about a topic that is significant & controversial & has gripped this nation for decades, I will say this - Your argument seems to be that abortion is a satisfactory means of eliminating children who would otherwise be born into poverty & perhaps be a drain on the system. The problem is, that is irrelevant to the question of abortion. The only question that matters is 'Is the baby aborted a human being?' If the answer is yes, then there are no other questions to ask since we already have laws protecting the lives of human beings, even the poor ones who are a drain on the system. Also, last I checked you don't have to show the balance in your checkbook to qualify for an abortion. It is not just poor women who abort their children; there are plenty of women who could easily afford the child they kill, they simply don't want the child & they don't want to be bothered with carrying it for nine months & then giving it up for adoption. Assuming abortion is all about poverty is naive. Since abortion was legalized in the U.S., the welfare rolls have grown & the illegitimacy rates have skyrocketed. The pro-choice argument is that it is not a human that is killed in an abortion, but rather a 'fetus,' a mass of cells. And really, what other argument can you make & still conclude that abortion should remain legal. "I support the killing of babies' does not make for a catchy picket sign. They want it to be about choice, but again, if it's a baby there is no choice anymore than I have the choice to kill my two year old b/c he's costing me money, or I simply don't have the time to deal with him. That would get me 25 to life. Sadly, there are some pro-choicers who will admit, quietly, that what happens when an abortion is performed stops a beating heart & takes a baby's life, but they still feel abortion should remain an option. At least they are honest enough to admit what happens during an abortion. c'mon Ej...even you don't really believe that (imo) malarkey you just threw out there......or do you....I mean you truly believe heart, soul and mind,....that a child born into poverty , abuse, and a life full of strife due to a handicap......is not relevant?,,,, simply because they are a human being? that there are no other relevant circumstances or questions that need to be asked? and if you do believe that...then I am truly glad that the government, and laws see things differently...IMO.....and if the doctors ever (God forbid) tell you that there is something terribly wrong with the fetus you are carrying someday.....or that a violent rape resulted in that fetus...or your own 13 year old daughter comes to you and says....uhhh mom....I am pregnant......you will thankfully get to make that choice....even if you decide that your beliefs are more important than youre mental well being, or or your health, that may leave said child parent less.....or that its your daughters lot in life.....Then I will personally pay for the sky writing to be done in honor of this magnificent decision....which....will still remain a choice ..on your part...and as a pro life choicer....you are very welcome!~ Are you forgetting that many people with $$ have them too!! This isn't an issue that is only relevant to a poor person! and on the adoption part, they wouldn't have too if they had protected sex or kept your legs closed! I was tought that if you are going to have sex then you need to be aware of what can happen! If you are not ready for the aftermath than keep yor pants on!! Bottom line! A heartbeat + life and if you can ignore that well then I feel sorry for you!! |
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